Thank you Paul for putting forth a clear rational. > On Dec 2, 2024, at 12:46 PM, Paul Shorb <paul.sh...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Rosa - > One can't deny the fact that sometimes, anger at Israel seems to > trigger/release/self-justify hate crimes against Jews in the United States. > Similarly, hate crimes against Muslims soared after 9/11 > <https://naacp.org/resources/hate-crimes-against-muslims>; African-Americans > were lynched in New York City riots of 1863 > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_draft_riots> by people opposed > to the Civil War draft; etc. All of these actions targeting innocent people > based on race or religion obviously are terrible. > > However, that real-life risk isn't sufficient reason to censor good-faith > criticism of Israel for actions that arguably also are terrible - and at a > scale at least thousands of times as large as the increase in hate crimes in > the U.S. that might result. Especially when American taxpayer dollars are > supporting those actions, American citizens have not only a right, but also a > moral duty, to speak out against something they believe is unjustly causing > massive suffering in Gaza. > > Of course in doing so such critics should clearly focus their criticism on > the morally responsible decision makers (e.g., Netanyahu, American > politicians who support his policies, etc.), not Jewish people generally. > > - Paul Shorb > > On Fri, Nov 29, 2024 at 11:32 PM Rosa Elena <rvillalobos3...@gmail.com > <mailto:rvillalobos3...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> The description of the event (in the pdf attached to the original email and >> copied below for context) is pretty one-sided and not conducive to >> “thoughtful discussion” with multiple perspectives. Honestly, I am shocked >> Bemis Hall would host an event where the description has such strong >> inflammatory language, which could be construed as an attack on a specific >> population, of which we have citizens living in Lincoln. >> >> From the event description: >> >> “The Gaza genocide that began over a year ago has morphed into Israel’s >> three-front strategy to expand its borders and replace non-Jews living in >> Gaza, Lebanon, and the West Bank with an army, citizens militia, and Jewish >> settlements. Based on past, aggressively pro-Zionist policies, an incoming >> Trump administration appears ready to confirm Israel as a Jewish >> supremacist/apartheid state, and to further subjugate or eliminate non-Jews >> living in a Greater Israel. In calling for an end to Israeli apartheid and >> for a shared homeland for all, we join the struggle against the rise of >> authoritarianism in Europe, the Global South, and the United States. Zionism >> today, as ideology, theology and political project, has emerged as an >> expression of neocolonialism, Christian nationalism, and fascism.” >> >> On Thu, Nov 28, 2024 at 12:33 PM Annamaria San Antonio >> <into...@jaikaurhealingarts.com <mailto:into...@jaikaurhealingarts.com>> >> wrote: >>> Agreed. Thank you, Sara !!! >>> I did not see this at all as propaganda and very much appreciated hearing >>> about an event with thoughtful discussion. Dangerous ? Perhaps I did not >>> read through but I did not see "false claims of genocide and apartheid". >>> >>> Peace >>> ~Jai . >>> >>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 4:38 PM Sara Mattes <samat...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:samat...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> I would urge all to listen/attend before passing judgement. >>>> We have few opportunities to hear rom and question directly such >>>> individuals with direct experience. >>>> >>>> Perhaps those objecting are familiar with the speakers and would like to >>>> share their experiences so that others might know what to expect? >>>> >>>> Let’s keep an open mind and allow others to judge for themselves. >>>> >>>> Namaste, >>>> Sara >>>> >>>>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 12:22 PM, Jonathan Sheffi <jshe...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:jshe...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Amen, Forest. Ideological diversity is well and good, but let's please >>>>> keep LT apolitical and free from this sort of low-grade propaganda. >>>>> ᐧ >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 27, 2024 at 11:47 AM Forest Brown <forestbrow...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:forestbrow...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>> I appreciate your wanting dialogue on this issue, but advertising >>>>>> speakers who are sharing false claims of genocide and apartheid is >>>>>> dangerous and this isn’t the platform for that. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 27, 2024, at 9:07 AM, Stephen R. Low >>>>>>> <steve....@gordianconcepts.com <mailto:steve....@gordianconcepts.com>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Steve Low >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Stephen R. Low <steve....@gordianconcepts.com >>>>>>> <mailto:steve....@gordianconcepts.com>> >>>>>>> Sent: November 27, 2024 9:07 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Exploring the Holy Land Problem: Friday, Dec 6 and Saturday, >>>>>>> Dec 7 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Palestinians, Israeli Jews, and those of us who care about them have >>>>>>> never faced challenges greater than today’s. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Contributing to this mess has been the Biden administration’s Holy Land >>>>>>> policies, which have been—shall I be polite and say, “awkward?” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now, we await a Trump administration, whose 2016–2020 Israel policies >>>>>>> were so ill-considered and unbalanced, that many believe they helped to >>>>>>> incite Hamas’s murderous attack on October 7, 2023. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These “realities” pose major challenges for all of us seeking peace, >>>>>>> equality, and justice in the Holy Land. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Rather than wring our hands in despair, the GRALTA Foundation has >>>>>>> organized two events to help us shape constructive, outside-the-box >>>>>>> thinking about how to refine the American people’s understanding of the >>>>>>> Holy Land Problem and how to advocate for new U.S. Mideast policies >>>>>>> that will improve conditions and achieve security for all who live >>>>>>> there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here are two (free) opportunities to hear two internationally-known >>>>>>> speakers—two experts on the Holy Land’s human rights problem—who can >>>>>>> help us to answer the question, “Where can we go from here? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Friday, Dec. 6 @ 7:30 PM >>>>>>> Community Church of Boston >>>>>>> 565 Boylston St., Boston >>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/565+Boylston+St.,+Boston?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>> accessible via the T, between Dartmouth & Clarendon or >>>>>>> discount vouchers available for Back Bay Parking Garage, 199 Clarendon >>>>>>> Street >>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/199+Clarendon+Street?entry=gmail&source=g>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Saturday, Dec. 7 @ 2:00 PM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bemis Hall >>>>>>> 15 Bedford Rd., Lincoln, MA >>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/maps/search/15+Bedford+Rd.,+Lincoln,+MA?entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>> park across the street at the “Stone Church” >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please join us for one of these events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our speakers: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <image002.jpg> >>>>>>> Mazin Qumsiyeh Human Rights Activist, Professor, Bethlehem & Birzeit >>>>>>> Universities >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Prof. Qumsiyeh was born and raised in Beit Sahour on the outskirts of >>>>>>> Bethlehem. His evolving world views have been shaped by living under >>>>>>> Israeli occupation, the education he received at universities in the >>>>>>> Middle East and the U.S., and on years of extensive travel throughout >>>>>>> the world. After obtaining a doctorate in Zoology and Genetics from >>>>>>> Texas Tech, Mazin trained at the St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital >>>>>>> and taught at the University of Tennessee, Duke, and then at Yale. He >>>>>>> is author of 190 scientific papers, hundreds of articles, and several >>>>>>> books on topics ranging from cultural heritage to human rights to >>>>>>> biodiversity conservation to cancer. >>>>>>> After returning to Palestine in 2008, Mazin and his wife Jessie Chang >>>>>>> founded and run (as volunteers) the Palestine Institute for >>>>>>> Biodiversity & Sustainability and the Palestine Museum of Natural >>>>>>> History—both situated on the Bethlehem University campus. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <image004.jpg> >>>>>>> Mark Braverman Executive Director, Kairos, USA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dr. Mark Braverman is a retired clinical psychologist and trauma >>>>>>> consultant. Raised in a traditional Jewish family, he was steeped in >>>>>>> Jewish religious observance, Bible study, the Hebrew language, and the >>>>>>> Zionist narrative. Confronted by the reality of ethnic cleansing and >>>>>>> ongoing colonial settlement of Palestine, Mark has devoted himself >>>>>>> since 2006 to working for a future of dignity and peace for all the >>>>>>> people living between the River and the Sea. >>>>>>> Mark has been closely involved in the international church movement for >>>>>>> Palestinian rights. He spoke at the launch of the Kairos Palestine >>>>>>> document in Bethlehem in 2009 and served on the Palestine Ecumenical >>>>>>> Forum of the World Council of Churches. He is the author of two books >>>>>>> and numerous journal articles and book chapters on the Kairos movement, >>>>>>> ecumenism, post-holocaust theology, Jewish and Christian Zionism, and >>>>>>> Christian-Jewish relations. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Steve Low >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <002 v-1 Qumsiyeh-Braverman Poster.pdf> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>>>>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>>>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>>>> Browse the archives at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>>> Change your subscription settings at >>>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>>> >>> -- >>> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >>> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >>> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >>> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >>> Change your subscription settings at >>> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >>> >> -- >> The LincolnTalk mailing list. >> To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org >> <mailto:Lincoln@lincolntalk.org>. >> Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. >> Change your subscription settings at >> https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >> > -- > The LincolnTalk mailing list. > To post, send mail to Lincoln@lincolntalk.org. > Browse the archives at https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/private/lincoln/. > Change your subscription settings at > https://pairlist9.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/lincoln. >
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