Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Josh Muckley
This video reviews some basic carburetor functions. It is of a basic Chinese knock off carb but maybe it hits on something you didn't know. Worth a try anyway. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMqiHvWGec&feature=youtube_gdata_player Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.com

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread djhaug...@juno.com
I will look at the tube! thanks...no one has brought that up yet and I never thought of it.. I have been playing with the idle mix screw It does have an effect but I still can't seem to get it to idle low enough I'm kind of saving the timing for last. I'm assuming Moyer set that precisely be

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread djhaug...@juno.com
Josh, Pretty cool video, I'll have to watch more closely from home. I really appreciate the video and commend you for making and posting it! Thanks,Danny -- Original Message -- From: Josh Muckley To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date:

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe
Just FYI – I bought a new carb (at full Moyer price too) when I just could NOT get the engine to idle correctly no matter how many times I cleaned or rebuilt it. Apparently they develop issues other than what can be fixed by cleaning. I have noticed the metal itself will corrode and produce this

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread djhaug...@juno.com
The new engine came with a carb...whether new or not...I'm not sure at this point. I did assume that. A few weeks is correct, We only got in the water in late august last year and took the boat out maybe 6 times. This year we have only been out 3 times so far because I've been fighting these

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe
I would call Moyer ASAP and see what they say. I also would get a new carb from someplace if this goes on. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of djhaug...@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:24 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-Lis

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread djhaug...@juno.com
I've been in contact with Don through email...I tried everything he suggested so far... -- Original Message -- From: "Della Barba, Joe" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 09:29:01 -0400 I would call Moyer ASAP

Stus-List Broken Main Sail Slugs

2013-08-20 Thread OldSteveH
On our recent sailing trip two of the plastic/nylon slugs broke and need to be replaced. I would appreciate comments from others on the possibility of doing this ones self. The slugs are wrapped through their slots with a piece of webbing material which is stitched to the sail and is also melted o

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Sylvain Laplante
Hi,    Typically timing should be set before you adjust the carb . One thing to note also is that with a new engine it is normal to have to adjust it again, as the rings seal better, internal resistance decrease ( after break-in ). Make sure ALL the intake gaskets seal properly and are tightened

Re: Stus-List Broken Main Sail Slugs

2013-08-20 Thread Knowles Rich
Nylon tie wraps work well. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-08-20, at 10:44, OldSteveH wrote: On our recent sailing trip two of the plastic/nylon slugs broke and need to be replaced. I would appreciate comments from others on the possibility of doing this ones self. The slugs are wra

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2013-08-20 Thread Richard Walter
Greetings, After almost 10 years aboard INDIGO, our 1978 36-footer, we are considering moving to a different boat. We would like a heavier coastal/bluewater cruiser with more comfort, better tracking, more convenient sail-handling (in-mast or in-boom) and a master stateroom with a centerline be

Re: Stus-List Broken Main Sail Slugs

2013-08-20 Thread Tim Goodyear
No problem doing this yourself; slugs are available from WM or Defender and stitching the webbing is fine with whipping thread. There are also plastic shackles available instead of webbing. Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Aug 20, 2013, at 7:44 AM, OldSteveH wrote: > On our recent sailing

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe
If you don't have one, do add a vacuum gauge. That will be good info. I pretty much wasted hours on my old carb before just getting a new one, but you may have a new one. Any way you can post a photo or video someplace? Also - once again - there are a lot of smart people over on the Moyer forum.

Re: Stus-List Broken Main Sail Slugs

2013-08-20 Thread Sylvain Laplante
Hi,    On mine I have the square slugs, very easy to replace, the replacement nylon shackle has a small self-tapping screw, with some others you can use "whipping twine" ( is that the good word? ), waxed, ideally. About 10 loops and then finish with a few loops to tighten the joint between the s

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2013-08-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe
I have worked on a number of Bristols and they are well made seaworthy boats. As for centerline berths, I like them when you have to get up and pee at 0130, but I also get annoyed every time a wave comes by and you roll out and land on your head. YMMV. Joe Della Barba Coquina C&C 35 MK I From:

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2013-08-20 Thread j...@svpaws.net
If you're going to that size why not consider some of the larger C&C Landfalls? Budget permitting you could also consider some of the later models. My wife and I lived aboard a late 90's 51 for several years. We ultimately sailed her to the Caribbean after adding in-boom furling. She proved t

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Michael Brown
I would advise getting a professional rebuild done if the advice here does not help. There are some other things you could try, such as spray or liquid cleaners, but the residue will go through the engine. The Atomic 4 does not have high compression or cylinder temperature so those chemicals are

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Josh Muckley
If you are trying to clean the jets, you may find that the solvent is making it through the jet but is probably not fully cleaning them. I use a set of welding torch cleaning files to clean the jets. Start small and work up. Mine was completely clogged shut. I had to be careful to feel for a ch

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread djhaug...@juno.com
Here is a link to a folder with tons of photos. If you go to the end you see my latest photos and video of my carb, plugs and the engine running. The newest video was take Sunday http://sdrv.ms/SFe8dh -- Original Message -- From: "Della Barba, Joe" To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Bill Bina
To clean a carb, sprays are pretty futile unless the contamination is very fresh. NAPA auto sells a gallon paint can of REAL solvents that comes complete with a strainer basket. remove anything from the carb that is not METAL, as this stuff will soften or melt all plastics and gaskets. Soak the

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2013-08-20 Thread Frederick G Street
If you're looking for a pretty much bullet-proof boat, how about the CSY44? I chartered one in the BVI several years back; the owner showed me a hull core from installing a new transducer, and the darn thing was over an inch of solid glass. Another owner of a charter CSY44 in Miami Beach told

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread djhaug...@juno.com
I run a racor water separating filter and then there is an inline filter that came with the engine between the pump and the carb. I've seen that can of carb cleaner and was considering that. for the rebuild on the current carb. If you look at the photos, there is some grit and grime in the ca

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Bill Bina
Caution. Jets are extremely precise little devices. Even a very tiny scratch inside will change its performance in a negative way. My basic rule is that if someone has inserted anything such as a guitar string or whatever into a jet at any time in an effort to unplug it, the jet is effectively

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2013-08-20 Thread Bill Bina
CSY went out of business because it turned out they were selling the boats for less than they spent building them! Bill Bina On 8/20/2013 10:31 AM, Frederick G Street wrote: If you're looking for a pretty much bullet-proof boat

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2013-08-20 Thread Dennis C.
I really like the Hylas center cockpits.  Halberg Rasseys are well made. Dennis C. > > From: "j...@svpaws.net" >To: Richard Walter ; "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" > >Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:08 AM >Subject: Re: Stus-List moving from a C&C?? > > > >If you'

Re: Stus-List New sheets/halyards

2013-08-20 Thread Gary Nylander
Agree 100%. It is a lot easier to ask the non-regular crew to haul in the green line on the starboard winch than to ask them to haul in one of the five white ones. We are well color-coded on Penniless. Gary 30-1 - Original Message - From: Indigo To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com S

Re: Stus-List New halyards

2013-08-20 Thread djhaug...@juno.com
I was trying to get cajun ropes to this for me but after a few emails and I sent them a link on the splicing...communication stopped... I'm still using the old wire/rope halyards. They are in good shape, I was just hoping to get my main halyard back to the cockpit, Of course, the lazy jacks

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2013-08-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe
I worked on a couple of Amel boats from France. Very easy to handle for a couple and they even have watertight doors. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:02 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-L

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Knowles Rich
I was not aware that an Atomic 4 has a governor...? Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-08-20, at 11:15, Josh Muckley wrote: If you are trying to clean the jets, you may find that the solvent is making it through the jet but is probably not fully cleaning them. I use a set of welding t

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe
It does not. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:38 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. I was not aware that an Atomic 4 has a governor...? Rich Knowles Indi

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Knowles Rich
That's what I thought... Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On 2013-08-20, at 12:50, "Della Barba, Joe" wrote: It does not. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 11:38 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subjec

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Josh Muckley
Apologies for my ignorance. I was speaking in general small engine terms. Without a governor what is the feed back loop that prevents over speed and under speed? Many people mistakenly call rev/speed limiters governors and visa/versa. Josh -- When privacy matters. http://www.secure-my-email.co

Re: Stus-List New sheets/halyards

2013-08-20 Thread Bill Bina
My first "real" sailboat was a very battered wooden Flying Dutchman when I was about 14 or 15. Two friends and I pooled our money to buy it for $150. We didn't have much of a budget, and some of the rotten running rigging, out of necessity, was replaced with cloth

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Robert Wooden
I have a later model A-4, and had very good luck with the rebuild kit from Moyer. As I recall new jets were included. Be careful as you remove them, as I recall a deep well socket was used to avoid breakage. I agree with others that anything beyond solvent (such as manually reaming or cleaning t

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe
There is none. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 12:09 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try. Apologies for my ignorance. I was speaking in general small engin

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Sylvain Laplante
I've always used round toothpicks to clean jets, also useful to remove pilot/air jets, spray carb cleaner several times per orifice, and better use an air compressor. I still believe this is an air leak in the intake issue. A vacuum gauge reading without leak should show between 17 and 21 if

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Knowles Rich
Josh: Usually speed is a function of throttle. If more sophisticated control is needed, such as a generator that has to maintain a constant speed to keep the AC frequency constant, a governor of some sort will be added. Most marine gas propulsion engines do not have governors as the loading with

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread djhaug...@juno.com
Sylvan,I'm not really that well versed in carburetor repair. What is the instrument for measuring vacuum and where does one attach such an instrument on the A4's carb? Danny -- Original Message -- From: Sylvain Laplante To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Subject: Re: Stus-List Atomic

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2013-08-20 Thread Dennis C.
Richard, Don't let mainsail furling be a dealbreaker if you find a boat you really like.  You can easily install a regular roller furler vertically behind the mast. If you're up for a project, there's a C&C Landfall 42 in Saint Lucie, FL for <$39K.  Looks like a LOT of work. Dennis C. Touche'

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2013-08-20 Thread Joel Aronson
Richard, IMHO in mast furling should be avoided if you plan to sail upwind! You lose both sail area and the ability to shape the sail. You also add weight aloft. Single line reefing is a much better option if you are concerned about shortening sail short-handed. The 37+ has a center aft cabin

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2013-08-20 Thread Edd Schillay
Richard, Not knowing what your budget is, I would suggest the Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 41DS. Looks like it would handle blue water very well, has a full size owner's suite without a center cockpit and looks to be an extraordinarily comfortable cruiser. http://www.youtube.com/watch

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe
There is a threaded hole in the manifold to attach a vacuum gauge. You can get them on FleaBay. Example: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Carburetor-Valve-Fuel-Pump-Pressure-Vacuum-Tester-Gauge-Test-Kit-Car-Truck-/170971391604?pt=Motors_Automotive_Tools&hash=item27ceb06674&vxp=mtr#ht_3186wt_1039 http://ww

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Josh Muckley
Rich, My Yanmar 3HM35F has a governor and it works exactly like all three of my home generators and the one I've see on an old Lister diesel. Basically the throttle pulls in opposition to the governor. When you set the idle speed you are adjusting a screw to push or pull in opposition to the gov

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Knowles Rich
Josh. That's correct, you are talking about Diesel engines. The Atomic 4 is a gasoline engine with a simple throttle governing the carb throttle. Your lawn equipment likely will have a spring loaded air vane sitting in the air stream produced by the flywheel fan that will moderate the throttle

Re: Stus-List Atomic 4 Carb things to try.

2013-08-20 Thread Della Barba, Joe
The A 4 *will* overspeed in neutral. My old runabout had no kind of governor on it. The old Hatteras I used to run with twin Chrysler V8s had no governors either. My old Porsche had none. This idea was by no means common back in the day on gasoline engines. Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mail

Re: Stus-List Broken Main Sail Slugs

2013-08-20 Thread Chuck S
Try, I added grommets and slides to our mainsail 8 years ago. I chose the plastic U-shaped shackles with small screws. Work well. http://www.sailrite.com/Slugs-Slides-Shackles-Selection-Installation-and-Positioning-Instructions Check out page 163, http://www.sailrite.com/PDF/Interactive/2

Re: Stus-List Broken Main Sail Slugs

2013-08-20 Thread Danny Haughey
I bought a super furl furler for my oday and it came with newer slugs for the new track.  I had to take the old slides off and are the new ons on by hand using the webbing strips supplied with the kit.  I used a leather hand protector thing and a line, also supplied, and a heavy needle.  It was

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2013-08-20 Thread Robert Abbott
Richard: I have absolutely no experience with Bristol yachts...but I will share this one storya few weeks back there was a Bristol 41 (I believe it was a 41) here boat now sold and moved out of Halifax. In light to medium to air, a Mirage 24 out sailed the Bristol 41. That's all I

Stus-List Fw: Boat options - was Re: C&C 29 in Portsmouth

2013-08-20 Thread Persuasion
Try 2 adults and 4 kids under 10 on/in a Helsun 22 poptop. At night all of the bags of clothing and cooler went to the cockpit. Daytime reverse the process. If I recall that little piece of heaven lasted 1 week. Mike S/V Persuasion C&C 37 Keel/CB Long Sault -Original Message- From

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2013-08-20 Thread Chuck S
In light wind , a 21 ft Viper 640 led the fleet and beat a C&C 33 MkII, my 34R, a 37+, and a fleet of other boats. They advertise Vipers as "35 ft speed in 21 ft trailerable boat". The Bristol 43.3 has a PHRF of 117 while the Bristol 47.7 has a PHRF of 111, not bad for centerboard cruisers.

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2013-08-20 Thread Colin Kilgour
I've got a lot of sea miles on my Gulfstar 50 and there aren't many boats I'd trade for. (Caveat: if my budget was over $600k, there are quite a few boats I'd trade for) (btw- you've been on my boat, don't forget) I've done ocean passages on some pretty nice (and expensive) boats that I wouldn't

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2013-08-20 Thread j...@svpaws.net
Interesting comment on the Hylas, agree on the Amel. One thing to keep in mind is that layout options change significantly once you get into the upper 40's. You may want to consider the "Pullman" berth which gives you some of the advantages of a more secure sleeping arrangement underway (at lea

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2013-08-20 Thread Dave Godwin
I'd put in my vote for a Pullman berth boat but they don't seem to be very widely available. Works pretty well underway and very well at anchor. The two boats that I've spent offshore time on that had them were a Passport 43 and interestingly, an Oyster 48 Lightwave (Carl Schumacher design) cen

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2013-08-20 Thread Colin Kilgour
In the 2006 Caribbean 1500 and ARC rallies, 3 Hylas 54's suffered rudder failure at sea. A buddy of mine was on one of them and got to practice his emergency steering skills all the way to Tortola. No fun in that. Google Hylas 54 Rudder Failure and you'll see lots of info on it. Then make your