Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Significant but not essential

2025-07-20 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Sun, 2025-07-13 at 18:51 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: This means that any values that *are* provided will no longer self-ratify into being correct, which seems far less than ideal. R107, excerpt: A public notice purporting to initiate an Agoran decisio

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Significant but not essential

2025-07-20 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Mischief wrote: On 7/13/25 4:13 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: Proposal: Significant but not essential (AI = 3) [Downgrades e.g. forgetting to include class from "invalidates the   distribution until/unless ratification papers over it" to "Assessor   may get some Blots".] Prom

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Significant but not essential

2025-07-13 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2025-07-13 at 18:51 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > This means that any values that *are* provided will no longer > self-ratify into being correct, which seems far less than ideal. Under the old rules, which worked for ages, they didn't self-ratify, but the validity was def

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Significant but not essential

2025-07-13 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/13/25 16:13, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > Proposal: Significant but not essential > (AI = 3) > > Amend Rule 107 (Initiating Agoran Decisions) by appending this text > after the last list item: > >The person publishing the notice SHALL also include any additional >i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Significant but not essential

2025-07-13 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2025-07-13 at 21:43 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Sun, 2025-07-13 at 16:27 -0400, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 7/13/25 4:13 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > > Proposal: Significant but not essential > > > (AI = 3) > > > > > [Downgrades e.g. fo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Significant but not essential

2025-07-13 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2025-07-13 at 16:27 -0400, Mischief via agora-discussion wrote: > On 7/13/25 4:13 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > > Proposal: Significant but not essential > > (AI = 3) > > > [Downgrades e.g. forgetting to include class from "invalidates the > >   distribution until/unless ra

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Significant but not essential

2025-07-13 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 7/13/25 4:13 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: Proposal: Significant but not essential (AI = 3) [Downgrades e.g. forgetting to include class from "invalidates the  distribution until/unless ratification papers over it" to "Assessor  may get some Blots".] Promotor? It seems wei

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Make currency current again

2025-07-05 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 7/4/25 10:19 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: Proposal: Make currency current again (AI = 3) Should Hectares be fungible too (if that proposal passes)? -- Mischief Collector, Illuminator, Notary, Prime Minister Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: ghostly Bang holdings: 0

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Make currency current again

2025-07-04 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/4/25 22:31, Edward Murphy via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet wrote: > >> On 7/4/25 22:19, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: >>> Amend Rule 2578 (Fungibility) by replacing this text: >>> >>> A fungible asset is >>> >>> with this text: >>> >>> A fungible asset (syn. "curre

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Make currency current again

2025-07-04 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
Janet wrote: On 7/4/25 22:19, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: Amend Rule 2578 (Fungibility) by replacing this text: A fungible asset is with this text: A fungible asset (syn. "currency") is It might be better to just add a new sentence with a separate definition? T

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Make currency current again

2025-07-04 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/4/25 22:19, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > Amend Rule 2578 (Fungibility) by replacing this text: > >A fungible asset is > > with this text: > >A fungible asset (syn. "currency") is It might be better to just add a new sentence with a separate definition? The synony

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Rose-colored glasses

2025-06-16 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Edward Murphy via agora-business [2025-06-15 12:08]: > Proposal: Rose-colored glasses > > If RadicalRose is not a player, then the rest of this proposal has no > effect. > > Create 10 spendies in RadicalRose's possession. > > For each of the following assets: > > * 1 nix stamp > * 1 Radical

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Agoriculture

2025-06-08 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 6/8/25 3:26 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: Proposal: Agoriculture As a reminder, Promotor is currently vacant, so if anyone's interested this is a good time to step forward! -- Mischief Collector, Illuminator, Notary, Prime Minister Hat: steampunk hat Vitality: ghostly Bang h

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ribbon Responsibility (@Promotor x2)

2025-03-04 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/3/25 07:00, Mischief via agora-business wrote: >Transparent (T): A person qualifies for a Transparent Ribbon >while the number of other types of Ribbon that that person >qualifies for within the previous 7 days, earns within the >previous 7 days, and/or was awar

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ribbon Responsibility

2025-03-02 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2025-03-03 at 05:13 +, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora- discussion wrote: > Yeah, I noticed the latter point just after sending the proposal. (I > recalled there was a reason why it didn't work but not what it was, > forgot to ask, and concluded I was mistaken.) I think the general case

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ribbon Responsibility

2025-03-02 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2025-03-02 at 23:49 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > I think this may be a bug in the Transparent Ribbon. It was intended to > > trigger off events that could earn you a ribbon whether or not you had > > the ribbon already, so that gaining ribbons doesn't get in the way of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ribbon Responsibility

2025-03-02 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2025-03-02 at 23:54 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/2/25 23:49, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > As I recall, adding the "awarded" trigger was to make it work for Gray > > ribbons. > > > > Also, the award doesn't affect it *in this particular case* because >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ribbon Responsibility

2025-03-02 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/2/25 23:49, Janet Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > On 3/2/25 23:45, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mon, 2025-03-03 at 04:36 +, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora- >> business wrote: >>> This was provoked by Mischief awarding me a Violet Ribbon just now. >>> This was profoundly ann

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ribbon Responsibility

2025-03-02 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 3/2/25 23:45, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Mon, 2025-03-03 at 04:36 +, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora- > business wrote: >> This was provoked by Mischief awarding me a Violet Ribbon just now. >> This was profoundly annoying; I intended to leave it as long as possible >> to award

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Ribbon Responsibility

2025-03-02 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2025-03-03 at 04:36 +, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora- business wrote: > This was provoked by Mischief awarding me a Violet Ribbon just now. > This was profoundly annoying; I intended to leave it as long as possible > to award myself the ribbon, extending the period for which the Viole

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] A definition

2024-12-16 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Mon, 2024-12-16 at 17:50 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > ["inquiry case" is a historical term used throughout the rules; defining > it here removes any ambiguity and helps answer a question that has been > asked multiple times by newer places. Also, standardize casing to match > mo

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Game is Afoot

2024-12-01 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
Thanks for mentioning tournaments! #BringBackTheYellowRibbon! -- 4st putting jesters cap back on, it fell off while mobile On Sun, Dec 1, 2024, 2:20 PM Trigon via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 12/1/24 2:45 PM, Mischief via agora-business wrote: > > > > I submit the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Game is Afoot

2024-12-01 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 12/1/24 5:19 PM, Trigon via agora-business wrote: This would be almost entirely redundant because tournaments exist (and are criminally underused IMO). The differences are just that tournaments use regulations instead of contracts and that they award wins directly instead of by way of victo

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Gray Ribbon clarification

2024-10-02 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-10-01 at 22:01 -0500, Kiako via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal (updated a very weirdly phrased part of > the comment, no actual mechanical change): > > // > Title: Gray Ribbon clarification >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Balancing creation and destruction

2024-09-16 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Mon, Sep 16, 2024 at 4:23 PM 4st nomic via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Also rule creation doesn't come with IDs until the rulekeepor assigns them, > so I don't think it'd even work? > > -- > 4st > putting jesters cap back on, it fell off while mobile > Crystals

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Balancing creation and destruction

2024-09-16 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
Also rule creation doesn't come with IDs until the rulekeepor assigns them, so I don't think it'd even work? -- 4st putting jesters cap back on, it fell off while mobile On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 2:21 PM 4st nomic <4st.no...@gmail.com> wrote: > Against! The purpose of crystals is to encourage rule

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Balancing creation and destruction

2024-09-16 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
Against! The purpose of crystals is to encourage rule destruction, rule creation is heretical!! -- 4st putting jesters cap back on, it fell off while mobile On Mon, Sep 16, 2024, 1:55 PM secretsnail9 via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal: >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Adjusting the Money Supply

2024-08-29 Thread Mischief via agora-discussion
On 8/29/24 6:10 PM, Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion wrote: If crystal liquidation fails and this passes, that would not be good I assume most voting against crystal liquidation would vote against this too. Or maybe folks want a tighter money supply -- Mischief Collector Hat: steampunk ha

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Adjusting the Money Supply

2024-08-29 Thread Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion
If crystal liquidation fails and this passes, that would not be good On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 21:42, Mischief via agora-business <[agora-busin...@agoranomic.org](mailto:On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 21:42, Mischief via agora-business < wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > "Adjusting the Money

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Crystal liquidation

2024-08-29 Thread Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion
That is true. Should it be applied together with the other balancing change or should the new change replace the old change? - oliver.n On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 15:55, 4st nomic via agora-discussion <[agora-discussion@agoranomic.org](mailto:On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 15:55, 4st nomic via agora-dis

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Crystal liquidation

2024-08-29 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
On Thu, Aug 29, 2024 at 12:55 AM Oliver Nguyen via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I perform these actions, in this order: > > * I withdraw the proposal "Crystal liquidation". > > * I submit the following proposal: > > {{{ > > Title: Crystal liquidation > > Adoption index:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Crystal liquidation

2024-08-29 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 8/29/24 03:49, Oliver Nguyen via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > {{{ > > Title: Crystal liquidation > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: oliver.n > Co-author(s): 4st > > Amend Rule 2685 "Crystals" by inserting the following text after the end of > the rule: > > { > Once

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Crystal liquidation

2024-08-29 Thread Oliver Nguyen via agora-discussion
I submit the following proposal: Title: Crystal liquidation Adoption index: 1.0 Author: oliver.n Co-author(s): 4st Amend Rule 2685 "Crystals" by inserting the following text after the end of the rule: { Once per week, a player CAN liquidate a specified crystal that they own by announcement. Do

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Crystal liquidation

2024-08-28 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Wed, Aug 28, 2024 at 5:37 PM Oliver Nguyen via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > Title: Crystal liquidation > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: oliver.n > Co-author(s): 4st > > Amend Rule 2685 "Crystals" by inserting the following text aft

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Erosion in Geological Rhyme

2024-08-24 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On Sat, 2024-08-24 at 15:04 +0100, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > I petition the Arbitor to republish this proposal with intent to > qualify for a Baccalaureate of Nomic Art. NttPF. However, if you had actually petitioned as intended, I would respond as follows: I'm flattered you th

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Erosion in Geological Rhyme

2024-08-24 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Aug 21, 2024, at 1:06 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-business > wrote: > > > Title: Erosion in Geological Rhyme > Adoption Index: 2.0 > Author: Kate > Co-authors: > > Consider each player with one or more stone

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] A bit too complex

2024-08-13 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
... Okay, perhaps On Wed, 14 Aug 2024, 2:31 am Janet Cobb via agora-business, < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > Title: Simplification, ironically > > Adoption index: 1.0 > > Author: Janet > > Coauthors: > > { > > Amend Rule 1681 ("The Logical Rules

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Another double resolution proposal

2024-08-12 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Sun, 2024-08-11 at 16:36 -0400, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > [snip] > > * With T notice: that intent is ripe, was created at least T ago, e is a > sponsor of it. There's a missing "and" here. -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Pragmatic quarters

2024-07-14 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/14/24 16:24, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote: > Proposal: Pragmatic quarters > (AI = 2, co-author = Mischief) > > Amend Rule 2555 (Blots) by replacing this text: > >At the beginning of each quarter, half (rounded down) of each >fugitive's blots are destroyed. > > with th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Potential Further Absurdity (@Notary)

2024-07-08 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 7/8/24 16:46, Mischief via agora-business wrote,: > On 7/8/24 9:01 AM, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > >> Please increase the complexity of the office to 1, if there is ever a >> redraft. Otherwise, I'll petition the ADoP later, so its ok. > I didn't include it in the proposal because complex

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Potential Further Absurdity

2024-07-08 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Mischief via agora-business [2024-07-07 10:35]: > > I submit the following proposal ("Potential Further Absurdity" AI=1 > coauthor=Janet): > > Create a rule entitled "The Veblen" with power 0.5 reading: > > The Veblen is a unique indestructible fixed asset. > > Ownership of the Vebl

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] It takes two, and Ammo Store

2024-06-28 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 6/28/24 03:10, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > {{{ > Title: Ammo Store > Adoption Index: 1.0 > Author: snail > Co-authors: > > > Enact a new Rule with title "Ammo Store" and the following text: > > { > Each player CAN grant emself 1 bang by paying a fe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] It takes two, and Ammo Store

2024-06-28 Thread Matt Smyth via agora-discussion
how about a dodging mechanic? give everyone a speed value, or perhaps they can buy bulletproof vests? On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 at 19:33, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 4:04 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] It takes two, and Ammo Store

2024-06-28 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 4:04 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I don't think that requiring 2 Bangs to kill someone will necessarily slow > down the game once the match starts. We've seen that players (others and > myself) can easily use Contracts

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] It takes two, and Ammo Store

2024-06-28 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I don't think that requiring 2 Bangs to kill someone will necessarily slow down the game once the match starts. We've seen that players (others and myself) can easily use Contracts to prepare beforehand to set up automation which can lead to very fast wins. Perhaps a player could only shoot once p

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-25 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 5:24 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I withdraw my latest Proposal too, the one about Weapons. I was too > excited, and sloppy. Although I still like the idea and would enjoy > expanding the Bang game. > I think it's a great

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-25 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:34 AM ais523 via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Tue, 2024-05-14 at 06:55 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > A ghostly player CAN incarnate by announcement, which means > > to flip eir Vitality to Invulnerable, provided ther

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-15 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
> > The eliminated player has no obvious use for the granted bang, as it > will be destroyed before they next become alive. Is this intended to > give em something to trade with? > I believe so too, and I think that it's a good design because it gives (dead) players something to keep playing the g

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-14 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Tue, 2024-05-14 at 06:55 -0500, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > A ghostly player CAN incarnate by announcement, which means > to flip eir Vitality to Invulnerable, provided there are only > Invulnerable or Ghostly players. [snip] > When the match is reset, each player is set to Ghostly,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] An Agoran Standoff

2024-05-14 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I like it. " A ghostly player CAN incarnate by announcement, which means to flip eir Vitality to Invulnerable" I'd remove "means" from there and just use phrasing that already exists in other rules, because I have the suspicion that it's very dangerous (or at least, prone to bugs) to redefine the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Overpowered Deputizations

2024-04-21 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Apr 21, 2024 at 9:08 PM Jaff via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I will point out that there are multiple ways to take actions of an office > without holding it which this wouldn't cover, such as delegation. I think a > safer fix would be preventing a player wh

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] No Overpowered Deputizations

2024-04-21 Thread Jaff via agora-discussion
I will point out that there are multiple ways to take actions of an office without holding it which this wouldn't cover, such as delegation. I think a safer fix would be preventing a player who holds an office from taking actions corresponding to another office such that holding both would make the

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Spendor definition

2024-04-10 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 4/10/24 10:06, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > The Officeholder of Spendor is hereby flipped to nix. > > } For bystander context, I consented to this. -- nix Arbitor

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
Huh. You cannot officially require the referee to investigate a non-player via noting. On Mon, Mar 25, 2024, 12:14 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I create the following proposal: > > --- > Title: yes, yes, I got the memo > Author: Gaelan > AI: 1.7 >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:53 PM, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > I suggest "un-noted" to prevent all instances of noting 1 infraction > multiple times. That doesn’t fix the original issue, as an infraction can be investigated without being noted. And I don’t really think duplica

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 25, 2024, at 8:06 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: >> Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { >> A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction >> committed by any other playe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 3:07 PM Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > > Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { > > A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction >

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: yes, yes, I got the memo

2024-03-25 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 25/03/2024 19:13, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote: > Amend rule 2478 (“Justice”) by replacing: { > A player CAN, by announcement, "note" an unforgiven infraction > committed by any other player in the last 14 days, specifying the > incident and the rule it violates (or name of the I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 24/03/2024 12:44, Gaealn Steele via agora-discussion wrote: >> On Mar 24, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation, but does mean that if >> there are any documents the Archivist deems worthy of archival (even >>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
> On Mar 24, 2024, at 12:21 PM, Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On 24/03/2024 09:16, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:> * > Optionally, any other documents the Archivist deems worthy >> of archival. > > hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation, bu

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: one from the archives

2024-03-24 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 24/03/2024 09:16, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:> * Optionally, any other documents the Archivist deems worthy > of archival. hmm... the "Optionally" removes any obligation, but does mean that if there are any documents the Archivist deems worthy of archival (even non-Agoran

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] FUNgibility

2024-03-17 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 3/17/24 15:08, nix via agora-business wrote: > [Right now, sentences like "Blank are an asset ownable by..." is > interpreted to adding to a default within R2576. This seems unintuitive. > This proposal makes that default only apply if there's no mention of > ownership.] That doesn't belong the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Vacations

2024-01-28 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 28, 2024 at 2:10 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 1/28/24 14:04, nix via agora-business wrote: > > A player CAN flip the Delegate switch of a specified office to > > emself with Agoran Consent. If the Delegate switch of an office is > >

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Vacations

2024-01-28 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 1/28/24 14:04, nix via agora-business wrote: >     A player CAN flip the Delegate switch of a specified office to >     emself with Agoran Consent. If the Delegate switch of an office is >     set to "None", the holder of that office CAN flip the Delegate >     switch of that office to a specifi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Registration restrictions

2024-01-04 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/5/24 01:42, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, 2024-01-05 at 01:40 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: >> * Inserting the following paragraph after the paragraph: >> >> { >> >> The basis of a person is the set of all persons that are (recursively) >> part of em, in addition t

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Registration restrictions

2024-01-04 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2024-01-05 at 01:40 -0500, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote: > * Inserting the following paragraph after the paragraph: > > { > > The basis of a person is the set of all persons that are (recursively) > part of em, in addition to emself. Rules to the contrary > notwithstanding, a perso

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Long forgotten fix

2023-11-19 Thread Goren Barak via agora-discussion
On 2023-11-19 19:11, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: > oh wait. Maybe this did work. This proposal IS up for vote. Lol! > > On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 4:09 PM 4st nomic <4st.no...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> That's lovely! Unfortunately, due to the arcane beaurocracy presented by >> the Law of Agora,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Long forgotten fix

2023-11-19 Thread Goren Barak via agora-discussion
On 2023-11-19 19:09, 4st nomic via agora-business wrote: > That's lovely! Unfortunately, due to the arcane beaurocracy presented by > the Law of Agora, > this proposal is not up for vote yet! > The process currently in place is basically: > Submit proposal (that's what snail did here) -> Promotor D

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Long forgotten fix

2023-11-19 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 11/19/23 18:44, Goren Barak via agora-discussion wrote: > On 2023-11-19 16:24, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: >> I submit the following proposal: >> >> // >> Title: A simple fix >> Adoption index: 1.0 >> Author: snail >>

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Long forgotten fix

2023-11-19 Thread Goren Barak via agora-discussion
On 2023-11-19 16:24, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > I submit the following proposal: > > // > Title: A simple fix > Adoption index: 1.0 > Author: snail > Co-authors: nix > > > [We tried to fix this back in April but it

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Submission - Stone Repeal

2023-10-31 Thread 4st nomic via agora-discussion
I think the proper way to repeal anything is to tweak and break it so subtly it's finally scammed, then you repeal it. That seems to be the way things go. Or at least the fun way. Maybe we just need new stones, after all! On Tue, Oct 31, 2023, 7:52 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business < agora-bu

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Forum restoration

2023-10-16 Thread Katherina Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
On 16/10/2023 17:37, Janet Cobb via agora-business wrote:> Adoption index: > > { > > The instance of the publicity switch possessed by the forum that can be > sent to at "agoranomic at groups.io" is hereby flipped to Public. > > } That's not a valid adoption index, and also you didn't give the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Button

2023-06-02 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 12:19 PM Juan F. Meleiro via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I create the following proposal, entitled “Game Theory”: > > { > Create a Power 1.0 rule called “The Button” with text: > { > The Buttonmastor is an office. > > The Button is a singleton sw

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Button

2023-06-02 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
Which is why you press the button every 144 hours that are reliable to you: or setup scheduled emails. I feel like also this is similar to apathy but now you have to track it: anyone can block as long as they press the button fre. 2. jun. 2023, 12:29 p.m. skrev ais523 via agora-discussion < agora-

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] The Button

2023-06-02 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Fri, 2023-06-02 at 14:18 -0300, Juan F. Meleiro via agora-business wrote: > I create the following proposal, entitled “Game Theory”: > > { > Create a Power 1.0 rule called “The Button” with text: This isn't really game theory, but "who has the most reliable Internet connection / is best at bei

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A Bright Future

2023-05-23 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/23/23 03:09, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > A player CAN, by paying a fee of 5 brights, turn a specified rule Radiant, > provided its power is less than 2. Each referenda on a proposal that would > amend or repeal a Radiant rule has its Adoption Index increased to 2, if it > is ever

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice rewrite

2023-05-22 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/22/23 14:33, juan via agora-discussion wrote: > Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-05-21 01:28]: >> Changes: >> - Generally cleaned up wording >> - Handle rice at Lost and Found >> - Harvesting a plan now grants rice before revoking (handling the case >> where a person is in both the up and d

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice rewrite

2023-05-22 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Janet Cobb via agora-business [2023-05-21 01:28]: > Changes: > - Generally cleaned up wording > - Handle rice at Lost and Found > - Harvesting a plan now grants rice before revoking (handling the case > where a person is in both the up and down sets) > - Use "CAN" for enabling > - Use a by announce

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Rice disarmament

2023-05-22 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I think the main time-consuming activity in the Rice Game would be navigating its particularly challenging endgame (how do you get that last Rice? diplomacy? scam?), rather than grinding for large amounts of Rice. Even if we do end up going with this, and you end up getting 4 Rice, that last fifth

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-21 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-20 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
This has been the best possible outcome lør. 20. mai 2023, 11:07 p.m. skrev Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org>: > On 5/21/23 01:59, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > > I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: > > > > {Adoption index = 3 >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-20 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/21/23 01:59, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: > > {Adoption index = 3 > > [Stop making small changes to fix things. This security issue happens all > the time.] Exactly what non-small change would you want here? Your proposa

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Promise anti-escalation

2023-05-20 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
I counter by instead submitting the following proposal: {Adoption index = 3 [Stop making small changes to fix things. This security issue happens all the time.] Enact the following rule:"By default and unless otherwise specified, assets, switches, and eir properties are secured at the power leve

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 21:32 +0100, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 2:29 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > Or perhaps this is just a case of "the ais523 who has been following > Agora for over 15 years spots things that the ais523 who had been there > for only one year didn't". Lol, I meant to add myself that the rules underlying may

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 14:01 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion > wrote: > > That said, I suspect the word in R2029 is currently undefined: I don't > > think "a definition that was in place at the time the rule was adopted" >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 1:32 PM ais523 via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > > that

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Kerim Aydin via agora-business [2023-05-18 13:16]: > On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:51 PM nix via agora-business > wrote: > > > > On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > > > CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain"). > > > I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots.

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread ais523 via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2023-05-18 at 13:16 -0700, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > I informally risk being guilty of favoritism 7 days from now, by > saying that the combination of CFJ calling and parenthetical reminder > that it may fail is enough disclaimer to avoid no faking.  I'll also > note that Jane

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 16:08, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: >> I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I >> violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 > Sufficient carefulness would be not inves

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 15:03, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 Sufficient carefulness would be not investigating until the CFJ was resolved, or your timer was al

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
I did call a CFJ on whether it created infractions, so I don't believe I violated no faking as I had included sufficient carefulness. :3 On Thu, May 18, 2023 at 12:52 PM nix via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: > >

DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Sacrilege, but more this time

2023-05-18 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/18/23 14:51, nix via agora-business wrote: On 5/18/23 14:43, Forest Sweeney via agora-business wrote: CFJ: This violates Rule 2029 ("Town Fountain"). I note and investigate the infraction to be 2 blots. (and as we know, this investigation only occurs if it does indeed violate the rule).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 8:03 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Having such an unwieldy amount of arcana puts a lot of power in being able > to give out 'hedonistic' Judgements; ones that are heavily based on "well > this is best for the game"/"this makes it playable"/etc, especiall

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Having such an unwieldy amount of arcana puts a lot of power in being able to give out 'hedonistic' Judgements; ones that are heavily based on "well this is best for the game"/"this makes it playable"/etc, especially ones that have to be that way because of ambiguity. Because we don't know for sure

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/12/23 06:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: - Why would we make a special case just for Invisibilitating specifically? What about other ancient things that may affect how other*current* things of the game work too? There might be. There's nothing that prevents us from looking

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] now you don't see it

2023-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 5:00 AM Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-business wrote: > > - It takes agency away from newer players and puts more into older ones > which are more familiar with this obscure ancient arcana which has now > supposedly been made relevant, which feels terrible. > Just on this not

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-12 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 1:31 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/12/23 01:37, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > > And about "voting strength games", any player could reactivate voting > > strength on the proposal if they would vote against i

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-11 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/12/23 01:37, secretsnail9 via agora-discussion wrote: > And about "voting strength games", any player could reactivate voting > strength on the proposal if they would vote against it. Voting strength > only matters when there's disagreement anyways, and if there is any, it'll > get turned back

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Expedited Proposals

2023-05-11 Thread secretsnail9 via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 12, 2023 at 12:08 AM Janet Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/12/23 01:02, secretsnail9 via agora-business wrote: > > Each player CAN, with 2 support, flip an ordinary proposal's class > to > > expedited, provided it is in the Proposal Pool

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