Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >> comex wrote: >> >>> (Then again, rarely do we encounter a paradox as beautiful >>> as that one.) >> I forget which of us actually came up with the idea. > > Naw, that one was all you from what I remember. > > You assigned it to me out of m

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, comex wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> No, it doesn't. If the outside case is judged true, it implies that A >>> is the judge of X, and therefore A judged X incorrectly while B judged >>> it correctly (but invalidly). > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > comex wrote: > >> (Then again, rarely do we encounter a paradox as beautiful >> as that one.) > > I forget which of us actually came up with the idea. Naw, that one was all you from what I remember. You assigned it to me out of mischief, perhaps. I posted

Re: DIS: proto: Appeals of Consensus

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > Proto: Appeals of Consensus (AI=2) > > Add the following paragraph to Rule 2158: > > The judge who delivered the most recent judgement in a judicial > question CAN, between four and fourteen days later, assign a new > valid judgement to that question without obje

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > (Then again, rarely do we encounter a paradox as beautiful > as that one.) I forget which of us actually came up with the idea. Proto-proto: Patent Title of Medalist, to be awarded by a person who won within the past week to one or more other persons whose cooperation was instrum

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread warrigal
"Tweak veracity a lot", adoption index 1.7: {Amend Rule 591 (Inquiry Cases) by replacing the paragraph beginning with "An inquiry case has a judicial question on veracity," with this text: {An inquiry case has a judicial question on veracity, which is always applicable. The valid judgements for

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5807-5821

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: >> 5808 D 0 2.0 Murphy Fix OVERLOOKED > AGAINST, I don't really think the old version is a valid loophole, but > this sure has the potential to be. I can see what it's supposed to > mean ("the rule breach it alleged was at least 200 days...") but it > could easily be mis

DIS: proto: Appeals of Consensus

2008-10-24 Thread comex
Proto: Appeals of Consensus (AI=2) Add the following paragraph to Rule 2158: The judge who delivered the most recent judgement in a judicial question CAN, between four and fourteen days later, assign a new valid judgement to that question without objection. [Save appeal panels

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread comex
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:16 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, it doesn't. If the outside case is judged true, it implies that A >> is the judge of X, and therefore A judged X incorrectly while B judged >> it correctly (but invalidly). A might later be vindicated by further >> de

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yes it does. Before one of the cases is appealed, an outside case >> that says "A is the judge of case X" can't be judged true (for it >> implies e isn't) and can't be judged false (

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: FRC

2008-10-24 Thread comex
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 24 Oct 2008, at 22:47, Ed Murphy wrote: >> ITYM "Contest". > ITYM "unambiguous". I wouldn't say so, considering that the same message sent to frc-play would have a totally different effect.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5807-5821

2008-10-24 Thread warrigal
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:37 PM, warrigal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> 5809 D 0 2.0 Murphy Unification >> VERY STRONGLY AGAINST. Better to force judges to actually think about >> why exactly the defendant is not gui

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5807-5821

2008-10-24 Thread warrigal
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:33 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 5809 D 0 2.0 Murphy Unification > VERY STRONGLY AGAINST. Better to force judges to actually think about > why exactly the defendant is not guilty, rather than judge INNOCENT > and hope nobody appeals it. The role of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes it does. Before one of the cases is appealed, an outside case > that says "A is the judge of case X" can't be judged true (for it > implies e isn't) and can't be judged false (for it implies e is). No, it doesn't. If t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The paradox was the question of "who judged CFJ 1594". This was before >> judgement-questions were specifically excluded from paradox. -Goethe > > I realize that. The fact that you

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 15:09, Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Or as an alternative idea, the Poet Laureate could write verses on recent > Agoran history. > Here's an idea: The Poet Laureate adds a new stanza to a specific certain rule each week, building upon previous stanzas. After a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > Goethe wrote: >> The paradox was the question of "who judged CFJ 1594". This was before >> judgement-questions were specifically excluded from paradox. -Goethe > > Before what, now? Self-referential questions (e.g. "This statement is > false") are specifi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:32 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If the rules are ambiguous wrt interpretation, then FLOYD is not > appropriate. Why not, exactly? If the rules are ambiguous, then indeed the statement logically could have been described as either true or false, depending on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >> That doesn't sound like a paradox at all. Judgements do not change >> gamestate; they only narrow down the axioms we employ in determining >> gamestate. So there was no causal loop of the judgements invalidating >> themselves; there was ju

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
warrigal wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 9:47 PM, Pavitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Thursday 23 October 2008 04:10:14 pm Elliott Hird wrote: >>>* FLOYD, appropriate if the statement was logically capable >>> of being described as either true or false with equal accuracy >> Accuracy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 5:02 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The paradox was the question of "who judged CFJ 1594". This was before > judgement-questions were specifically excluded from paradox. -Goethe I realize that. The fact that you consulted two potential oracles and both said

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, warrigal wrote: >> Listen, amongst the sounds of the Heara, heara, const heara, > Heara = listen, const = amongst? of? Not bad overall! One thing to remember this is an epic. In this example, the absolute literal translation is "sound, sound, around[us] sound"

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > On Oct 24, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> Actually, how about as an Epic? >> >> Create the following Rule (simultaneous transcription from old Agoran): > > What language did you use as "old Agoran?" And what does Blob have to do > with

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread warrigal
Yay, a parallel text! On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:51 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > O Agorans, now gather and hear me speak,'Tha Agorae masor forae nont Agorae = Agorans, nont = speak? > Beneath the fountain's spray andUnttri fontaine siphora Unttri = beneath, fontain

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That doesn't sound like a paradox at all. Judgements do not change >> gamestate; they only narrow down the axioms we employ in determining >> gamestate. So there was no causal loop of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > That doesn't sound like a paradox at all. Judgements do not change > gamestate; they only narrow down the axioms we employ in determining > gamestate. So there was no causal loop of the judgements invalidating > themselves; there was just uncertainty as to

DIS: Re: BUS: A handful of parties.

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 23:36, 0x44 wrote: I become party to the Fantasy Rules Contest. I become a Farmer. I become party to the Vote Market. I believe you would like the PBA. ;-) -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "This sentence is false" would be the canonical UNDECIDABLE. Gnarly > type paradoxes should also be UNDECIDABLE, I think. Should be, but I can see no reason why FLOYD would not be equally appropriate for a gnarly paradox. -r

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposal 5806

2008-10-24 Thread warrigal
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:53 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I intend, without objection, to terminate the Llama Party. It's clearly > unfair on BobTHJ to be stuck having eir votes potentially controllable > by Warrigal, who has no voting power emself. Also, Warrigal can't > object, du

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Oct 24, 2008, at 1:51 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Actually, how about as an Epic? Create the following Rule (simultaneous transcription from old Agoran): What language did you use as "old Agoran?" And what does Blob have to do with the first stanza? - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That doesn't sound like a paradox at all. Judgements do not change >> gamestate; they only narrow down the axioms we employ in determining >> gamestate. So there was no causal loop of the judgements invalidati

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to deputise

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I accept this nomination. I also predict that Taral will decline (or >> at least not accept) eirs, as IIRC e ran away screaming the last time >> e was so nominated. > > Eh, if Murphy wants it, e can have it.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: FRC

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 22:47, Ed Murphy wrote: ITYM "Contest". ITYM "unambiguous". -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Logical: "This statement is true." On the basis of logic alone, >> either TRUE or FALSE is self-consistent. >> >> Legal: "Goethe was a player at > 2006>". According to one legal interpretation, TRUE is cons

DIS: Re: BUS: FRC

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > I join the Fantasy Rules Committee, just to bump up its maximum point > award. ITYM "Contest".

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Intent to deputise

2008-10-24 Thread Taral
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I accept this nomination. I also predict that Taral will decline (or > at least not accept) eirs, as IIRC e ran away screaming the last time > e was so nominated. Eh, if Murphy wants it, e can have it. Murphy? -- Taral <[E

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Joshua Boehme
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:14:29 -0500 Pavitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our Bards are Three! Let's celebrate > And not this moment shun -- > Proposal, "Poet Laureate", > AI and II 1: > { > [Ordain an Office for us who'll > Ensure that prose stays not the same.] > At Power 1, create a Rule, > "The

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Scorekeepor] Scorecard

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:52 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: >> Scorekeepor's Scoreboard >> >> Player Score >> >> Quazie13 >> pikhq 6 >> Murphy82 >> Wooble12 >> ais52368 >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That doesn't sound like a paradox at all. Judgements do not change > gamestate; they only narrow down the axioms we employ in determining > gamestate. So there was no causal loop of the judgements invalidating > themselves; t

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Logical: "This statement is true." On the basis of logic alone, >>> either TRUE or FALSE is self-consiste

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 21:39, comex wrote: I agree to the following pledge: { This is a pledge. Bones are a currency. The Treasurer is the recordkeeper of Bones. Initially the Treasurer is comex. } Royal Bank of UNDEAD! -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Logical: "This statement is true." On the basis of logic alone, >> either TRUE or FALSE is self-consistent. >> >> Legal: "Goethe was a player at > 2006>". According to one legal in

DIS: Re: BUS: Vote Market - Broker's Report

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 13:53, Pavitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Friday 24 October 2008 02:46:07 pm Roger Hicks wrote: >> AVAILABLE TICKETS >> >> Pavitra >> BUY - 3VP - Agree to the Crescendo pledge > > CoE: This has since been filled by ais523. > Admitted, thanks. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 20:26, Roger Hicks wrote: NOTE: After this withdraw I show the RBoA having 260 coins remaining. The PBA would seem to have a different figure. What's the difference? I dunno. I don't have your recent change history; you have the PBA's. Search for 'RBoA', all the lines are

DIS: Re: BUS: RE: AAA

2008-10-24 Thread Taral
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:08 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 14:37, Alexander Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Taral wrote: >>> I harvest 955, an amended power 3 rule, for 8 crops. >> If I have at least two 9 crops and at least two 5 crops, I harvest >> 995,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:54 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Logical: "This statement is true." On the basis of logic alone, > either TRUE or FALSE is self-consistent. > > Legal: "Goethe was a player at 2006>". According to one legal interpretation, TRUE is consistent > and FALSE i

DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 13:22, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:42, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I RBoA-withdraw as many coins as I can. >> > 218 coins for 1308 chits leaving you with 5 chits remaining. > > BobTHJ > NOTE: After this withdraw I show the

DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:42, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I RBoA-withdraw as many coins as I can. > 218 coins for 1308 chits leaving you with 5 chits remaining. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Report

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > On 24 Oct 2008, at 19:43, Ed Murphy wrote: > >> You should link to this from http://www.nomictools.com/ > > > Sidebar. Ah, I missed that everything under "Useful links" was external. Also, the sidebar's color scheme is hard to read.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: > Logical: "This statement is true." On the basis of logic alone, > either TRUE or FALSE is self-consistent. > > Legal: "Goethe was a player at 2006>". According to one legal interpretation, TRUE is consistent > and FALSE is not; according to another, FAL

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > Not really. The Mad Scientist's weekly duty is just to create the > proposal. There's also some useless verbiage about how the proposal > constitutes the Mad Scientist's report if it's adopted, but that > portion of eir duties is always either absent or trivially fulfilled. The us

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Report

2008-10-24 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Wooble wrote: > >> (partial report at http://www.nomictools.com/agora/tailor) > > You should link to this from http://www.nomictools.com/ Umm, it's the only link in the sidebar.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: >> FLOYD is specifically limited to logical interpretation, not legal >> interpretation. In particular, the paradox that led to my win in >> December 2006 depended on two equally-plausible legal interpretations, >> of which one was eventually discarded for entirely practical reasons >

Re: DIS: Scorekeepor's report

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:49, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This is just a reminder to BobTHJ that Scorekeepor is high-priority; e > seems to have forgotten for a couple of weeks in a row. I'm not crimming > em over this, not yet anyway, partly due to all the trouble I've been > causing

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Report

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 19:43, Ed Murphy wrote: You should link to this from http://www.nomictools.com/ Sidebar. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: I still suck at this sort of thing, but

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 19:42, Ed Murphy wrote: I RBoA-withdraw as many coins as I can. BobTHJ? -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:38, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> BobTHJ wrote: >> >>> If the Treasurer and the RBoA are both members of this contract, the >> >> And where is the Treasurer defined? >> > > Section 3 of t

DIS: Re: BUS: douple dipping?

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal CFJ alleging that > ais523 violated Rule 2143 by failing to publish a Mad Scientist's > report for the week of 6 Oct. 2008. > > Rule 2192(d) establishes that the Mad Scient

DIS: Scorekeepor's report

2008-10-24 Thread Alex Smith
This is just a reminder to BobTHJ that Scorekeepor is high-priority; e seems to have forgotten for a couple of weeks in a row. I'm not crimming em over this, not yet anyway, partly due to all the trouble I've been causing em lately... -- ais523

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: protection racket CFJ

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > On Friday 24 October 2008 11:14:43 am Ed Murphy wrote: >> The initiator is unqualified to be assigned as judge of the >> case. All other members of the bases of the parties to the >> contract are also unqualified, except while this would result >> in all e

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:38, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BobTHJ wrote: > >> If the Treasurer and the RBoA are both members of this contract, the > > And where is the Treasurer defined? > Section 3 of the RBoA: { 3. Chits are a currency. The Treasurer is the recordkeeper of Chits. Init

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: When will you RBoA guys learn?

2008-10-24 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 11:40 -0700, Ed Murphy wrote: > ais523 wrote: > > > I PBA-withdraw 8 Coins for 48 Chits. > > Come again? Obviously ineffective. I sent a corrected version in the next message. -- ais523

DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Ribbon Report

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: > (partial report at http://www.nomictools.com/agora/tailor) You should link to this from http://www.nomictools.com/

DIS: Re: BUS: When will you RBoA guys learn?

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: > I PBA-withdraw 8 Coins for 48 Chits. Come again?

DIS: Re: BUS: Bank Motion: Portfolio Management

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > If the Treasurer and the RBoA are both members of this contract, the And where is the Treasurer defined?

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Pavitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No objection, and general approval, to a rule giving a bard a win >> if e manages weekly displays of wit, poetry, etc. with some >> approval method for quality (e.g. through proposal). I'm just not >> sure if "constant propos

DIS: Enigma reminder

2008-10-24 Thread Alex Smith
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 07:12 -0400, Joshua Boehme wrote: > I join Enigma. > There's still time to submit solutions to the current Enigma puzzle! For everyone who hasn't submitted a solution, this week's puzzle is at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: When will you RBoA guys learn?

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I PBA-withdraw two 0 crops for ^3+^4 = ^7. >> I RBoA-deposit two 0 crops for 25*2=50 Chits. >> I PBA-withdraw 8 Coins for 48 Chits. >> -- > > You net 1 coin and 2 chits out of thiscongratulations. More importantly, the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:22 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > root wrote: > >> On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> * UNDECIDABLE, appropriate if the statement was logically >>>undecidable or otherwise not capable of being accurately >>>

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Pavitra wrote: > On Friday 24 October 2008 11:29:50 am Kerim Aydin wrote: >> I don't mind a weekly proposal, but completing eir monthly reports >> is dependent on voters wanting their rules to rhyme? Not an office >> I'd personally take. > I assume that if voters don't want t

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:14, Pavitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Our Bards are Three! Let's celebrate >> And not this moment shun -- >> Proposal, "Poet Laureate", Actually, how about as an Epic? Create the following Rule (simultaneous transcription f

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: banking

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:36, Roger Hicks wrote: Here you succeed in withdrawing 11 Coins for 66 chits, leaving you with 2 chits remaining. Now come on. "instead" and the context clearly means it shouldn't happen if the previous succeeded. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More bandwagoning

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:34, Roger Hicks wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:31, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:18, Roger Hicks wrote: I RBoA-deposit ^50 for 500 chits. I'll assume for now that this works, though ehird please let me know if Murphy has insufficient

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: banking

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:06, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since that probably failed, I instead withdraw 65 coins for 390 chits. > (I rounded in the wrong place I think) > Here you succeed in withdrawing 11 Coins for 66 chits, leaving you with 2 chits remaining. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More bandwagoning

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:31, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:18, Roger Hicks wrote: >>> >>> I RBoA-deposit ^50 for 500 chits. >> >> I'll assume for now that this works, though ehird please let me know >> if Murphy has insufficient coins to make this RBOA deposit.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More bandwagoning

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:32, Alex Smith wrote: According to ehird's website, Murphy only had ^43 at that point. ehird, care to make that official? I already said that to a-d. -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: banking

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 11:01, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I withdraw 74 coins from the RBoA for 395 chits. > I'm considering this an effective withdraw of 74 coins for a cost of 444 chits. BobTHJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: More bandwagoning

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:18, Roger Hicks wrote: I RBoA-deposit ^50 for 500 chits. I'll assume for now that this works, though ehird please let me know if Murphy has insufficient coins to make this RBOA deposit. It doesn't. Recorded at http://agora.eso-std.org/pba-report; basically no collatera

DIS: Re: BUS: When will you RBoA guys learn?

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:51, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 10:35 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 09:06, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > I initiate an RBOA Bank Motion to modify exchange rates as follows: >> > >> > Coins - 5 >> > 1 C

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: RE: protection racket CFJ

2008-10-24 Thread Pavitra
On Friday 24 October 2008 11:14:43 am Ed Murphy wrote: > The initiator is unqualified to be assigned as judge of the > case. All other members of the bases of the parties to the > contract are also unqualified, except while this would result > in all entities being unqualif

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: banking

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 18:06, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I withdraw 74 coins from the RBoA for 395 chits. Since that probably failed, I instead withdraw 65 coins for 390 chits. (I rounded in the wrong place I think) Waitin

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Pavitra
On Friday 24 October 2008 11:29:50 am Kerim Aydin wrote: > I don't mind a weekly proposal, but completing eir monthly reports > is dependent on voters wanting their rules to rhyme? Not an office > I'd personally take. I assume that if voters don't want their rules to rhyme then this proposal won'

DIS: Re: BUS: Land management

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 16:31, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The AFO transfers the Union Train Depot to me. Fails. You presently own the Union Train Depot. BobTHJ

DIS: Re: BUS: More bandwagoning

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 14:43, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I PBA-deposit four 7 crops (I think this gets me ^30). You only deposit two 7 crops as that is all you have. > I PBA-deposit four 9 crops (I think this gets me ^90). You only deposit one 9 crop as that is all you have. > I RBoA

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 8:16 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> * UNDECIDABLE, appropriate if the statement was logically >>undecidable or otherwise not capable of being accurately >>described as either true or false >> >> * FLOYD, appropriate if th

Re: DIS: New agoranomic.org page

2008-10-24 Thread Sgeo
Some tweaks to http://sgeo.diagonalfish.net/agora/newmain.htm done, tried adding information on the recent situation with The Monster, but ##nomic said it was unnecessary and inaccurate, so I removed it. Still not sure what the Canada stuff is about.

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: >> There is an office Poet Laureate, >> Which no one but a Bard can occupy. >> So long eir post e doesn't abdicate, >> Eir weekly duties are that e must try >> To make a new Proposal to amend >> A Rule, still writ in prose, to

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 10:18 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: > Bravo! You'd have my vote if you sent this to the public forum. Not mine, though, as it's insufficiently Powerful to allow wins. (You need Power 2 for that.) -- ais523

Re: DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 10:14, Pavitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our Bards are Three! Let's celebrate > And not this moment shun -- > Proposal, "Poet Laureate", > AI and II 1: > { > [Ordain an Office for us who'll > Ensure that prose stays not the same.] > At Power 1, create a Rule, > "The Poet

DIS: Proto: Poet Laureate

2008-10-24 Thread Pavitra
Our Bards are Three! Let's celebrate And not this moment shun -- Proposal, "Poet Laureate", AI and II 1: { [Ordain an Office for us who'll Ensure that prose stays not the same.] At Power 1, create a Rule, "The Poet Laureate" its name:       There is an office Poet Laureate, Which no one but

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: inactives

2008-10-24 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Fri, 24 Oct 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: >> Having received no objections, I make H. Speaker pikhq inactive. May >> death come quickly to Speaker BobTHJ's enemies! >> > Hooray! I'd like to thank my agent And just in time for both prerogatives and promotions. BobTHJ, it looks like you can acce

DIS: Re: BUS: inactives

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:05, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I intend, without objection, to deregister Schrodinger's Cat and avpx. >> >> I intend, without objection, to make Speaker pikhq inactive. > > Havi

DIS: Re: BUS: inactives

2008-10-24 Thread Alex Smith
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 10:05 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: > On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I intend, without objection, to deregister Schrodinger's Cat and avpx. > > > > I intend, without objection, to make Speaker pikhq inactive. > > Having received

Re: DIS: New agoranomic.org page

2008-10-24 Thread Roger Hicks
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 07:49, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the Ruleset has multiple authors. >> Would there be a distinction between the legal rights of someone w

Re: DIS: New agoranomic.org page

2008-10-24 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:08 AM, Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the Ruleset has multiple authors. > Would there be a distinction between the legal rights of someone who has > contributed versus a player who hasn't? What if a player contribute

Re: DIS: RE: protection racket CFJ

2008-10-24 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> for a pledge, all first-class persons should be witnesses by default. > > Seems like a good idea. Witnesses should also be barred from judging > related equity cases. The two of those together would bar everyone from judgin

Re: DIS: New agoranomic.org page

2008-10-24 Thread Joshua Boehme
On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 23:50:02 -0500 Pavitra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thursday 23 October 2008 11:03:50 pm Sgeo wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 11:35 PM, Ed Murphy > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > May I host the Agoran Coat of Arms, or may I link to your copy, or > > should I jus

Re: DIS: New agoranomic.org page

2008-10-24 Thread Elliott Hird
On 24 Oct 2008, at 07:42, Ian Kelly wrote: GreyKnight both came up with the heraldry and created the image. Eir domain appears to be gone, but eir email was yahoo, and I assume it probably still works. I had luck contacting him via MemoServ on freenode (e was apparently an #esoteric deniz

DIS: Re: BUS: How to really annoy comex

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:33 AM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree to the following contract, called "Not a rule really": > {{{ > This is a public contract and a pledge. > ais523 CAN terminate this contract by announcement. > > The > Rule /0 (Power=4) > Dictatorship > ais523 may c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Tweak veracity

2008-10-24 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 1:45 AM, Alex Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Such a statement is a Henkin statement, if I remember correctly. Henkin sentence. Close enough. -root

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