Re: [AFMUG] customer wants to switch WISPs to solve WiFi problem

I would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Ken Hohhof" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 7:43:43 PM Subject: [AFMUG] customer wants to sw

Re: [AFMUG] customer wants to switch WISPs to solve WiFi problem

+1000  Plenty of crappy cable corps out there. On 5/4/20 8:37 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: I’d just be honest with the potential customer and quote them what it’ll take to make it work correctly.  Use your expertise to sell them a while home system.  if they switch to you then they will probably be

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

You guys work with statistics much? You think the numbers are accurate? At what point have you ever seen government or corporations represent 100% accurate numbers? I'll let you do your own homework. But I've seen hundreds of reports from all over the place of deaths of natural causes being cl

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

78.2 percent of statistics are made up on the spot On Tue, May 5, 2020, 8:55 AM Steven Kenney wrote: > You guys work with statistics much? You think the numbers are accurate? > At what point have you ever seen government or corporations represent 100% > accurate numbers? > > I'll let you do you

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

The death counts are certainly off, but not in the direction you suggest. There have been published comparisons of deaths compared to same period in previous years, and every state with a lot of Covid cases has thousands of excess deaths above the number attributed to Covid. They didn’t necess

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Well, every single person that dies in Utah is tested for the virus and this has been happening for a couple of months. The guy in charge of the testing is the Lt Gov. A personal friend of mine. Yes, I do think our numbers are accurate. Dead on here in Utah. From: Steven Kenney Sent: Tues

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Pun intended? bp On 5/5/2020 7:27 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Dead on here in Utah -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

I think it's because they work in the cold, they are always slightly hypothermic On Tue, May 5, 2020, 9:22 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > The death counts are certainly off, but not in the direction you suggest. > There have been published comparisons of deaths compared to same period in > previous year

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

That could be it. Or the dead workers could have been made into Vienna Sausages. Or the sick ones are all hiding from ICE. From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 10:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? I think it's becau

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its possible that this is hitting these because of the vienna recovery teams. truth is, they havent actually made them in decades, they recover the cans when people die and simply re-label thm. but covid hits the elderly, the elderly all have vienna sausages in the pantry. so its the vienna sausage

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are supplying the numbers. There is a level of uncertainty because of different criteria. That is true for the US cases, but probably not f

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Which is why there are accurate numbers out there but why aren't they being used as baselines for comparisons instead of what what done, by example, by Dr. Erickson?  Simply because of agendas. Both ways and sideways.  There are so many focusing on themselves instead of the society that it's al

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these graphs because the source is NYT which they will perceive as biased. But if you read the article, they go out of their way to point out possible errors in the data, as well as other influences like overloaded healthcare system led to

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

I don't think most infections have pre-existing conditions, but it certainly seems like most deaths do. On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:03 AM Bill Prince wrote: > The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government sourced or > corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are supplyin

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

I think the A numero uno goal is to figure out how to keep people alive. Then try to figure out how to keep people from contracting the disease from others. Then a vaccine. From: Robert Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 10:02 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Which is w

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths there have been in excess of what the average was for the same period in previous years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in the NYT article, but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail they go into). We can argue

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Archeologists in 100 years will figure this out with 20% certainty. bp On 5/5/2020 9:59 AM, Mathew Howard wrote: It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths there have been in excess of what the average was

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

At some point, humans are going to have to accept the fact the mother nature will always win. Its not PC, but fact of the matter is we keep people alive that otherwise wouldnt have been in the gene pool, and then they breed. Eugenics in its basic form is correct. We dont simply have more diabetics

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

So, is the plan here going to be that we attribute the effects of the cure being worse than the disease to the disease itself? That is a slick willy if I ever saw one. Like the Foster kid that died a week ago from not being able to get into his treatment for his cancer trial. Is that going to attri

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

I could have swore Hospitals in the USA were businesses and not government agencies? AKA an incorporated business? -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "Bill Prince" To: "af" Sent: Tuesday, May

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Some are, some are non profits, some are educational institutions but a whole bunch of them are guvmnt institutions the VA for one. From: Steven Kenney Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:31 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? I could have swore Hospitals in the USA were businesses

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that probably we can agree upon. 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an exosome. 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be. (statistics and predictions are all off)

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Missing the point. Fallible people are providing the stats. Therefore the statistics are not 100% accurate. Therefore my argument stands. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) From: "chuck" To: "af"

[AFMUG] CBRS PAL auction

So if I'm understanding correctly, there's an up front payment to participate in the auction.  That's $0.01 per Mhz/POP.  The licenses are for a County.  So if my county has 190,000 people and I want 20Mhz, then I pony up $38,000 /for the privilege of participating in the auction/.  And then if

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS PAL auction

I havent found any company that even offers guidance service on this. its confusing On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:55 PM Adam Moffett wrote: > So if I'm understanding correctly, there's an up front payment to > participate in the auction. That's $0.01 per Mhz/POP. The licenses are > for a County.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

So it took 6 weeks for us to talk about letting granny die. And apparently to start planning cannibalism: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5xzej/increasingly-desperate-alex-jones-says-he-will-kill-and-eat-his-neighbors From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:10

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

2 and 5 are not agreed upon in the first list at all 1 is pretty well settled on globally in the second On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:41 PM Steven Kenney wrote: > Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that probably we can > agree upon. > > 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Alex Jones is amazing. Hes probably the dumbest man on the planet and is able to get millions of people to follow him even though hes been deplatformed everywhere. I hate those punchanazi guys, because half the people they punch arent nazis, but i could support the punch alex jones crowd On Tue,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

#4 on your "we can agree on" list is pretty inaccurate IMHO. Sweden V Denmark. Certainly not the same statistics, and it isn't like Sweden is doing nothing, they are just better at following the rules so they get to act like adults while we are more like kindergarteners so we all all get a timeo

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

It's not really wrong to attribute deaths that were caused by the cure to the disease, since they wouldn't happened without it... the thing that we can't ever know, unfortunately, is whether there would have been more or less deaths without the cure. We'll maybe we will know, if half the world star

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

"1 is pretty well settled on globally in the second" I agree with Steve on something!!! On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM Steve Jones wrote: > Alex Jones is amazing. Hes probably the dumbest man on the planet and is > able to get millions of people to follow him even though hes been > deplatformed

[AFMUG] Elevation question

I have a pretty good GPS receiver. Trimble R8 with a Yuma data collector. Normally we use it only for lats and longs. It is corrected in real time with a cellular data modem and a RTK/VRS ground station network. Yesterday we did a shot from a hill that did not exist when shuttle radar data wa

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Statistical accuracy is probably normal. How many standard deviations do you want? From: Steven Kenney Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:48 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Missing the point. Fallible people are providing the stats. Therefore the statistics are not 100% accura

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Yeah... I was going to point out #4... what countries have actually done nothing? Sweden is the usual example, but what they did was far from nothing... they just didn't do the same thing as everybody else. Belarus basically did nothing, but even there, their borders were still effectively closed

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

i disagree On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson wrote: > "1 is pretty well settled on globally in the second" > > I agree with Steve on something!!! > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM Steve Jones > wrote: > >> Alex Jones is amazing. Hes probably the dumbest man on the planet and is >> a

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Did you follow the season of Homeland where they an an Alex Jones character? From: Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:06 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Alex Jones is amazing. Hes probably the dumbest man on the planet and is able to get mil

Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question

WTF. Ignorance was bliss. Thanls for screwing that up for me Chuck. Now I have to actually think about what to use again. I default back to Google Earth. On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:12 PM wrote: > I have a pretty good GPS receiver. Trimble R8 with a Yuma data > collector. Normally we use it only

Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question

I think shuttle data and GE elevations are referenced to a geoid. Not sure if the both use the same geoid. I just want to know which number to use from my machine. Or if I have to do math and use them both to get an elevation that will agree with the shuttle elevations in RM... I agree, Igno

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS PAL auction

You get your money back after the auction if you didn’t win. roland From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:02 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CBRS PAL auction I havent found any company that even offers guidance service on this. its

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

On 5/5/2020 1:41 PM, Steven Kenney wrote: Can summarize this pretty easily.  These are facts that probably we can agree upon. 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an exosome. Fact. 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu Fact. 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone est

Re: [AFMUG] CBRS PAL auction

I wonder why they called it a "payment" rather than a "deposit". On 5/5/2020 2:23 PM, Roland Houin wrote: You get your money back after the auction if you didn’t win. roland *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:02 PM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Su

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, South Korea, New Zealand, Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but that depends upon what statistics you are talking about.Hong Kong stands out the most. Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you will wonder WTF are th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list. you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if nobody steps up, ill argue it settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of science i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to do with the disease, we should just

Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question

In the middle of some stuff at the moment, don’t know the answer off the top of my head so let me look it up and consult with my brother than land surveyor. Thank you, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesd

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even agree on what they agree about. I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most certainly WAY more contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but until we’ve gone a full year we won’t know what the actual % death rate is (if we even know

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Need to see if they will float first. From: James Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even agree on what they agree about. I certainly don’t agree with #

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

contagious also has to be defined as with or without vaccine/treatment Id say flu is the same or more contagious on its own, but we globally have a high level of vaccination and effective treatment, but looking at the virus itself is a whole other ballgame but yeah, fuel is bad, and fire we have

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers saying the original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious strain that has pushed out its less aggressive predecessor in Europe and the US east coast. That certainly throws cold water on some of the vaccine optimism that was starting

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

rotflmao all depends on which news items. CNN I think it was that was touting the new "mutation" being less aggressive. lol "news". The guard that got shot was not a covid issue, that lady was going to have her daddy kill someone at some point anyway. Im just sad we have to have guards at family

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

To be fair, Steve was already talking about converting his neighbors into drinking water 2 months ago... we're way ahead of Alex Jones here... On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 3:46 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers saying the > original Wuhan virus mutated

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

I imagine the definition of "more deadly" would mean that more people die... so technically, if it infects 300 times as many people as the flu, it would only need to kill a fraction of the infected people to be more deadly. Aside from reasons already mentioned for it being more contagious, don't m

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

For #4, at least in Italy and the UK, age had a big factor in death. https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/covid-19-coronavirus-infographic-datapack/ - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Mess

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Since there haven’t been any new baby dinosaurs born for a really long time it seems that dinosaurs would have to be really old…… Not trying to point fingers but aren’t you really old Ken? From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:46 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

I knew something wasnt right about ken. I bet he watches Jurassic park and roots for the dinosaurs too On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:20 PM James Howard wrote: > Since there haven’t been any new baby dinosaurs born for a really long > time it seems that dinosaurs would have to be really old…… Not t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

The dinosaurs didn't die from an ice age. Most of them were cooked at an estimated 600 degrees F. https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/dinopocalypse-redux bp On 5/5/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Are you saying you *don't* root for the dinosaurs in Jurassic park? 🤔 On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:32 PM Steve Jones wrote: > I knew something wasnt right about ken. I bet he watches Jurassic park and > roots for the dinosaurs too > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:20 PM James Howard wrote: > >> Since t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Hopefully they had lots of BBQ sauce From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:35 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? The dinosaurs didn't die from an ice age. Most of them were cooked at an estimated 600 degrees F.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Does anyone not root against Jeff Goldblum? From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:38 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Are you saying you *don't* root for the dinosaurs in Jurassic park? 🤔 On

Re: [AFMUG] Elevation question

I downloaded WiFi Fresnal Zone App to my Moto phone and it has been pretty accurateit uses Google Maps.. They have a pro version as well. On Tue, May 5, 2020, 12:12 PM wrote: > I have a pretty good GPS receiver. Trimble R8 with a Yuma data > collector. Normally we use it only for lats and

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

I bet Steve ate 'em all... On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 4:41 PM James Howard wrote: > Hopefully they had lots of BBQ sauce > > > > *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:35 PM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this g

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Well, he hopefully got a chance at all the fat that others threw aside anyway. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:57 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? I bet Steve ate 'em all... On Tue, Ma

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Isn’t he in some annoying TV commercial now? And I think there was a movie where he turned into a fly, and he impregnated his girlfriend who gave birth to a maggot? Or did I dream that? I also think he was one of the aliens in Earth Girls Are Easy. Which if you’ve never seen it, would b

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Nope, this one: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-05-05/mutant-coronavirus-has-emerged-more-contagious-than-original From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:08 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? rotflmao all d

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

10 Speed and Brown Shoe From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:19 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Isn’t he in some annoying TV commercial now? And I think there was a movie where he turned into a fly, and he impregnated his girlfriend

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

You’ve got admit, casting Nicolas Cage as Joe Exotic in the movie version of Tiger King is genius. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:35 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? 10 Speed and Brown Shoe From: Ken H

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

If he is a method actor he may never come back. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 4:40 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? You’ve got admit, casting Nicolas Cage as Joe Exotic in the movie version of Tiger King is genius. From: AF On B

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about all the different strains of the virus they've identified? If we get a vaccine in a year or so, it will probably end up being only useful for a strain of the virus that has died out by then. I listened to this y

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

One of the Waylen brothers... On 05/05/2020 03:19 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Isn’t he in some annoying TV commercial now? And I think there was a movie where he turned into a fly, and he impregnated his girlfriend who gave birth to a maggot? Or did I dream that? I also think he was one of the al

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Considering some of Nicholas Cage’s roles, the thought of him being a method actor is kind of scary. Some of his performances rank right up there with Keanu Reeves IMO though. I do actually like both of them in certain movies (who couldn’t like John Wick?) but I’ve always thought that Keanu wa

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Here's another good one. Explains pretty well the distinction between asymptomatic infection and pre-symptomatic infection. Very few (almost none) have made that distinction with the possible exception of the Diamond Princess where they had a purpose built petri d

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Success stories: https://www.vox.com/2020/5/5/21247837/coronavirus-vietnam-slovenia-jordan-iceland-greece From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 6:52 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago abou

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The carrier TR is a similar petri dish... On 05/05/2020 05:14 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Here's another good one. Explains pretty well the distinction between asymptomatic infection and pre-symptomatic infection. Very few (almost none) have made that distinction with the possible exception of the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now. From: Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 5:51 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Remember what I sent out about a month or so ago about all the different strains of the virus they've identified? If we get a vaccine

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That proverbial 0.78% persons? bp On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now.    From: Bill

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Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats. bp On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: We have been under 1 in Utah for some time now.    From: Bill

Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?

Cats are trouble. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RG5mOd8Ubsk From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 7:29 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Utah cats are easier to herd than NY cats. bp On 5/5/2020 5:26 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com