#4 on your "we can agree on" list is pretty inaccurate IMHO. Sweden V Denmark. Certainly not the same statistics, and it isn't like Sweden is doing nothing, they are just better at following the rules so they get to act like adults while we are more like kindergarteners so we all all get a timeout.
2 and 3 on your debatable points are pretty speculative and leading. It is Highly unlikely that it had anything to do with a lab. If I was writing the list, I would say that all reasonable people could agree that it was not intentionally released from a lab. On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:49 PM Steven Kenney <st...@wavedirect.org> wrote: > Missing the point. > > Fallible people are providing the stats. Therefore the statistics are not > 100% accurate. Therefore my argument stands. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 1:40:58 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > Some are, some are non profits, some are educational institutions but a > whole bunch of them are guvmnt institutions.... the VA for one. > > *From:* Steven Kenney > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:31 AM > *To:* af > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > I could have swore Hospitals in the USA were businesses and not government > agencies? AKA an incorporated business? > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> > *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> > *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:02:28 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government sourced or > corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are supplying the > numbers. There is a level of uncertainty because of different criteria. > That is true for the US cases, but probably not for other countries. For > example, the numbers coming from China (and several other countries) are by > design government based. But to brush them all off as "government or > corporations" is being naive at least. > > I would not say that "most" patients have pre-existing conditions. Maybe a > high percentage, but it does not explain why such a large number of > otherwise healthy people are being infected the way they are. At some > point, we will figure out that there is a genetic or environmental factor > that we just do not understand yet. > > I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% accurate, but I also do > not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious either. Where you cut off is > probably a personal thing. > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: > > You guys work with statistics much? You think the numbers are accurate? > At what point have you ever seen government or corporations represent 100% > accurate numbers? > > I'll let you do your own homework. But I've seen hundreds of reports from > all over the place of deaths of natural causes being classified as covid > deaths. Since most patients have existing conditions and many were already > dying and died of those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are being > attributed to covid. Some people have estimated that upward of 20% > misrepresented. So as long as there is 1 case that is questionable - the > statistics are not accurate. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > > The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can do when > we don't actually test all the suspected infections. It also (probably) > missed a whole lot of the early deaths, as they were miss-classified. If > you think under-ground near-do-wells are planted in all the hospitals > around the country and are coordinating false numbers on all the rest of > us, then I have a tin hat that might fit real well. > > > > bp > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> > > > On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: > > Numbers are completely false. Even with that taken into regard it still > is just as lethal as the regular flu. While it is way more harsh on people > if they get it, most people have underlying conditions, or didn't know they > had them, or didn't take it serious when they got it. > > Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further their agenda. > > -- > Steven Kenney > Network Operations Manager > WaveDirect Telecommunications > http://www.wavedirect.net > (519)737-WAVE (9283) > > ------------------------------ > *From: *"chuck" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com > *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM > *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good? > > [image: image] > > Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart... Let’s hope we > are on the tail of a normal curve. > 6 days in a row decline. 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