I assume everyone saw the news item today about researchers saying the
original Wuhan virus mutated to a more contagious strain that has
pushed out its less aggressive predecessor in Europe and the US east
coast. That certainly throws cold water on some of the vaccine
optimism that was starting to build.
Also, the way humans are reacting to this (and to climate change
before it) is starting to make me think we are no better at handling
new threats than the dinosaurs were when an asteroid triggered an ice
age. And that we may all (not just the weak and old among us) go the
way of the dinosaurs. I mean jeez, folks, it hasn’t even been 2
months and we’re turning on each other and shooting guards at Family
Dollar and talking about gutting and eating our neighbors. (and their
stash of Vienna sausages?)
https://dilbert.com/strip/1990-07-05
*From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 3:25 PM
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Need to see if they will float first.
*From:*James Howard
*Sent:*Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:17 PM
*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
Seems that what was proved by this is that nobody can even agree on
what they agree about.
I certainly don’t agree with #2. It is most certainly WAY more
contagious and easily spread than “the flu” but until we’ve gone a
full year we won’t know what the actual % death rate is (if we even
know then due to all the debates about what is counted).
One of the articles posted along the way here stated that this is
about 300 times more contagious than “the flu” but the actual rate of
death to cases is lower. What is the definition of being “more deadly”?
I disagree about shooting everyone though. I think we should all be
burned at the stake. This of course leads to arguments about what
kind of fuel to use and how to ignite it…….
*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 2:11 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
so 2-4 off the firs list are off the first list.
you could probably find somebody to argue number 1, if nobody steps
up, ill argue it
settled science doesnt exist, thats the exact opposite of science
i think we should just shoot everybody. thats got nothing to do with
the disease, we should just all be shot. a whole lot less disagreement
that way. Would never work though, we would never get past the caliber
argument to even get to shooting
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:48 PM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com
<mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Not sure about a4. I don't think Hong Kong, South Korea, New
Zealand,
Australia has the same statistics as anywhere else but that
depends upon
what statistics you are talking about. Hong Kong stands out the
most.
Look at the cases and the deaths as of Today and you will
wonder WTF
are they making it all up? Could be, but most think they are
accurate
because they dealt with SARS before, they really knew what they were
doing more than any other country. 4 deaths.
On 05/05/2020 10:41 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that probably
we can
> agree upon.
>
> 1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an exosome.
> 2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu
> 3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be.
(statistics and
> predictions are all off)
> 4) Countries who didn't close their economy has similar
statistics than
> countries that did.
> 5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe!
>
> These points are to be debated and NOBODY can say with absolute
> certainty these things are correct.
>
> 1) The virus originated from China
> 2) It originated from a lab studying the virus.
> 3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally.
> 4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may not be specific
(old,
> young, white, black, asian etc)
> 5) The people reporting statistics for deaths/infections are 100%
> accurate. There are cases all over of under reporting and over
reporting.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
>
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> *From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com
<mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com>>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
>
> It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths
there have
> been in excess of what the average was for the same period in
previous
> years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in the NYT
article,
> but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail they go
into).
> We can argue all day about whether somebody that died of a heart
attack
> died because they had covid19 or whether they just had an unrelated
> heart attack and just happened to have a mild case of covid, and
whether
> they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't really
matter. If
> say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in April for
the past 5
> years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can pretty safely
blame 5,000
> of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter if 6,000 people
> actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've died of flu
anyway,
> and it just happened to be covid that finished them off instead,
or if
> 500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that they jumped
off a
> bridge and were never infected.
> I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate numbers of
how many
> people directly died of the infection (other than maybe in
Utah), but in
> a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of how many
excess
> deaths there were.
>
> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com%20%0b>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>
> Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these
graphs
> because the source is NYT which they will perceive as
biased. But
> if you read the article, they go out of their way to point out
> possible errors in the data, as well as other influences like
> overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of other
causes,
> but also less deaths due to traffic and violence. And the
data as
> Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t make them
up to
> suit a political agenda or bias.____
>
> __ __
>
>
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____
>
> __ __
>
> In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths were
undercounted
> because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC, the
morgues and
> crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies in
refrigerated
> semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the normal deaths
> being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an agenda. Then
you have
> all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK, sure, elderly people
> croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____
>
> __ __
>
> __ __
>
> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com%0b>>
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
> __ __
>
> The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government
> sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and
morgues are
> supplying the numbers. There is a level of uncertainty
because of
> different criteria. That is true for the US cases, but
probably not
> for other countries. For example, the numbers coming from
China (and
> several other countries) are by design government based. But to
> brush them all off as "government or corporations" is being
naive at
> least.____
>
> I would not say that "most" patients have pre-existing
conditions.
> Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why such a
large
> number of otherwise healthy people are being infected the
way they
> are. At some point, we will figure out that there is a
genetic or
> environmental factor that we just do not understand yet.____
>
> I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% accurate,
but I also
> do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious either. Where
you cut
> off is probably a personal thing.____
>
> bp____
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
>
> __ __
>
> On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
>
> You guys work with statistics much? You think the
numbers are
> accurate? At what point have you ever seen government or
> corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?____
>
> __ __
>
> I'll let you do your own homework. But I've seen hundreds of
> reports from all over the place of deaths of natural causes
> being classified as covid deaths. Since most patients have
> existing conditions and many were already dying and died of
> those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are being
> attributed to covid. Some people have estimated that
upward of
> 20% misrepresented. So as long as there is 1 case that is
> questionable - the statistics are not accurate. ____
>
> __ __
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)____
>
> __ __
>
>
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> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
<mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
> __ __
>
> The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the
best we can
> do when we don't actually test all the suspected
infections. It
> also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early deaths,
as they
> were miss-classified. If you think under-ground
near-do-wells
> are planted in all the hospitals around the country and are
> coordinating false numbers on all the rest of us, then I
have a
> tin hat that might fit real well.____
>
> __ __
>
> bp____
>
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
>
> __ __
>
> On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
>
> Numbers are completely false. Even with that taken into
> regard it still is just as lethal as the regular
flu. While
> it is way more harsh on people if they get it, most
people
> have underlying conditions, or didn't know they had
them, or
> didn't take it serious when they got it. ____
>
> __ __
>
> Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to
further
> their agenda. ____
>
> __ __
>
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> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)____
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> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
>
> __ __
>
> image____
>
> ____
>
> Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my
heart...
> Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal curve. ____
>
> 6 days in a row decline. But it has done this cycle
3 times
> before with a huge spike after. ____
>
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