Can summarize this pretty easily. These are facts that probably we can
agree upon.
1) Its a RNA based virus similar if not exactly like an exosome.
2) Its definitely more deadly than the regular flu
3) It isn't as deadly as everyone estimated it to be. (statistics and
predictions are all off)
4) Countries who didn't close their economy has similar statistics than
countries that did.
5) I'm still staying home either way just to be safe!
These points are to be debated and NOBODY can say with absolute
certainty these things are correct.
1) The virus originated from China
2) It originated from a lab studying the virus.
3) It escaped either intentionally or accidentally.
4) The demographics the virus impacts may or may not be specific (old,
young, white, black, asian etc)
5) The people reporting statistics for deaths/infections are 100%
accurate. There are cases all over of under reporting and over reporting.
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Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
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*From: *"Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:59:03 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?
It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths there have
been in excess of what the average was for the same period in previous
years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in the NYT article,
but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail they go into).
We can argue all day about whether somebody that died of a heart attack
died because they had covid19 or whether they just had an unrelated
heart attack and just happened to have a mild case of covid, and whether
they should be counted, but in the end, it doesn't really matter. If
say, an average of 10,000 people died in X state in April for the past 5
years, and this year 15,000 died, then we can pretty safely blame 5,000
of those deaths on covid. It doesn't really matter if 6,000 people
actually died of covid, but 1000 of them would've died of flu anyway,
and it just happened to be covid that finished them off instead, or if
500 got so sick of sitting in front of the tv that they jumped off a
bridge and were never infected.
I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate numbers of how many
people directly died of the infection (other than maybe in Utah), but in
a few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of how many excess
deaths there were.
On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com
<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these graphs
because the source is NYT which they will perceive as biased. But
if you read the article, they go out of their way to point out
possible errors in the data, as well as other influences like
overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of other causes,
but also less deaths due to traffic and violence. And the data as
Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t make them up to
suit a political agenda or bias.____
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html____
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In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths were undercounted
because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC, the morgues and
crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies in refrigerated
semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the normal deaths
being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an agenda. Then you have
all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK, sure, elderly people
croak all the time, it’s a hoax.____
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*From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
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The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government
sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are
supplying the numbers. There is a level of uncertainty because of
different criteria. That is true for the US cases, but probably not
for other countries. For example, the numbers coming from China (and
several other countries) are by design government based. But to
brush them all off as "government or corporations" is being naive at
least.____
I would not say that "most" patients have pre-existing conditions.
Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why such a large
number of otherwise healthy people are being infected the way they
are. At some point, we will figure out that there is a genetic or
environmental factor that we just do not understand yet.____
I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% accurate, but I also
do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious either. Where you cut
off is probably a personal thing.____
bp____
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
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On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
You guys work with statistics much? You think the numbers are
accurate? At what point have you ever seen government or
corporations represent 100% accurate numbers?____
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I'll let you do your own homework. But I've seen hundreds of
reports from all over the place of deaths of natural causes
being classified as covid deaths. Since most patients have
existing conditions and many were already dying and died of
those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are being
attributed to covid. Some people have estimated that upward of
20% misrepresented. So as long as there is 1 case that is
questionable - the statistics are not accurate. ____
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Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)____
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*From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com>
<mailto:part15...@gmail.com>
*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
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The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can
do when we don't actually test all the suspected infections. It
also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early deaths, as they
were miss-classified. If you think under-ground near-do-wells
are planted in all the hospitals around the country and are
coordinating false numbers on all the rest of us, then I have a
tin hat that might fit real well.____
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bp____
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____
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On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:____
Numbers are completely false. Even with that taken into
regard it still is just as lethal as the regular flu. While
it is way more harsh on people if they get it, most people
have underlying conditions, or didn't know they had them, or
didn't take it serious when they got it. ____
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Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further
their agenda. ____
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Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)____
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*To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
*Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM
*Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good?____
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Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart...
Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal curve. ____
6 days in a row decline. But it has done this cycle 3 times
before with a huge spike after. ____
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