i disagree On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:09 PM Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
> "1 is pretty well settled on globally in the second" > > I agree with Steve on something!!! > > On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:07 PM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Alex Jones is amazing. Hes probably the dumbest man on the planet and is >> able to get millions of people to follow him even though hes been >> deplatformed everywhere. I hate those punchanazi guys, because half the >> people they punch arent nazis, but i could support the punch alex jones >> crowd >> >> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 1:02 PM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >> >>> So it took 6 weeks for us to talk about letting granny die. And >>> apparently to start planning cannibalism: >>> >>> >>> https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/g5xzej/increasingly-desperate-alex-jones-says-he-will-kill-and-eat-his-neighbors >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 12:10 PM >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >>> >>> >>> >>> At some point, humans are going to have to accept the fact the mother >>> nature will always win. Its not PC, but fact of the matter is we keep >>> people alive that otherwise wouldnt have been in the gene pool, and then >>> they breed. Eugenics in its basic form is correct. We dont simply have more >>> diabetics because we eat like garbage, we have more diabetics because >>> diabetics dont die like mother nature intended and then they breed and then >>> eat like garbage. >>> >>> It could be that this virus kills those with comorbidity by design, >>> whether by natures selection or by some scientists hand, at this point it >>> doesnt really matter, its like buying a toilet after you already pooped on >>> the floor. >>> >>> >>> >>> also, I have a sore throat, I had a good run guys, thanks for all the >>> good times >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 12:00 PM Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> It seems to me, that what really matters is how many deaths there have >>> been in excess of what the average was for the same period in previous >>> years (yes, I know that's what they're talking about in the NYT article, >>> but I'm too lazy to read it all and see how much detail they go into). We >>> can argue all day about whether somebody that died of a heart attack died >>> because they had covid19 or whether they just had an unrelated heart attack >>> and just happened to have a mild case of covid, and whether they should be >>> counted, but in the end, it doesn't really matter. If say, an average of >>> 10,000 people died in X state in April for the past 5 years, and this year >>> 15,000 died, then we can pretty safely blame 5,000 of those deaths on >>> covid. It doesn't really matter if 6,000 people actually died of covid, but >>> 1000 of them would've died of flu anyway, and it just happened to be covid >>> that finished them off instead, or if 500 got so sick of sitting in front >>> of the tv that they jumped off a bridge and were never infected. >>> >>> >>> >>> I don't think we'll ever have particularly accurate numbers of how many >>> people directly died of the infection (other than maybe in Utah), but in a >>> few months we should have pretty accurate numbers of how many excess deaths >>> there were. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, May 5, 2020 at 11:22 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: >>> >>> Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these graphs >>> because the source is NYT which they will perceive as biased. But if you >>> read the article, they go out of their way to point out possible errors in >>> the data, as well as other influences like overloaded healthcare system led >>> to people dying of other causes, but also less deaths due to traffic and >>> violence. And the data as Bill says is from other sources, the paper >>> didn’t make them up to suit a political agenda or bias. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html >>> >>> >>> >>> In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths were undercounted >>> because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC, the morgues and >>> crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies in refrigerated semis, >>> you can’t possibly claim these are just the normal deaths being mislabeled >>> as Covid related to suit an agenda. Then you have all the prison and >>> nursing home deaths. OK, sure, elderly people croak all the time, it’s a >>> hoax. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM >>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >>> >>> >>> >>> The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government sourced >>> or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are supplying the >>> numbers. There is a level of uncertainty because of different criteria. >>> That is true for the US cases, but probably not for other countries. For >>> example, the numbers coming from China (and several other countries) are by >>> design government based. But to brush them all off as "government or >>> corporations" is being naive at least. >>> >>> I would not say that "most" patients have pre-existing conditions. Maybe >>> a high percentage, but it does not explain why such a large number of >>> otherwise healthy people are being infected the way they are. At some >>> point, we will figure out that there is a genetic or environmental factor >>> that we just do not understand yet. >>> >>> I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% accurate, but I also do >>> not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious either. Where you cut off is >>> probably a personal thing. >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: >>> >>> You guys work with statistics much? You think the numbers are >>> accurate? At what point have you ever seen government or corporations >>> represent 100% accurate numbers? >>> >>> >>> >>> I'll let you do your own homework. But I've seen hundreds of reports >>> from all over the place of deaths of natural causes being classified as >>> covid deaths. Since most patients have existing conditions and many were >>> already dying and died of those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are >>> being attributed to covid. Some people have estimated that upward of 20% >>> misrepresented. So as long as there is 1 case that is questionable - the >>> statistics are not accurate. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steven Kenney >>> Network Operations Manager >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Bill Prince" <part15...@gmail.com> <part15...@gmail.com> >>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM >>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? >>> >>> >>> >>> The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can do when >>> we don't actually test all the suspected infections. It also (probably) >>> missed a whole lot of the early deaths, as they were miss-classified. If >>> you think under-ground near-do-wells are planted in all the hospitals >>> around the country and are coordinating false numbers on all the rest of >>> us, then I have a tin hat that might fit real well. >>> >>> >>> >>> bp >>> >>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: >>> >>> Numbers are completely false. Even with that taken into regard it still >>> is just as lethal as the regular flu. While it is way more harsh on people >>> if they get it, most people have underlying conditions, or didn't know they >>> had them, or didn't take it serious when they got it. >>> >>> >>> >>> Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further their agenda. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Steven Kenney >>> Network Operations Manager >>> WaveDirect Telecommunications >>> http://www.wavedirect.net >>> (519)737-WAVE (9283) >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"chuck" <ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>> *To: *"af" <af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> >>> *Sent: *Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM >>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] OT Is this good? >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: image] >>> >>> >>> >>> Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart... Let’s hope >>> we are on the tail of a normal curve. >>> >>> 6 days in a row decline. But it has done this cycle 3 times before with >>> a huge spike after. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >>> -- >>> AF mailing list >>> AF@af.afmug.com >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >>> >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >> > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com >
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