Those who suspect an “agenda” will immediately dispute these graphs because the source is NYT which they will perceive as biased. But if you read the article, they go out of their way to point out possible errors in the data, as well as other influences like overloaded healthcare system led to people dying of other causes, but also less deaths due to traffic and violence. And the data as Bill says is from other sources, the paper didn’t make them up to suit a political agenda or bias.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/28/us/coronavirus-death-toll-total.html In other countries like Italy, no doubt the deaths were undercounted because the system was overwhelmed. Even in NYC, the morgues and crematories are overloaded, they are stuffing bodies in refrigerated semis, you can’t possibly claim these are just the normal deaths being mislabeled as Covid related to suit an agenda. Then you have all the prison and nursing home deaths. OK, sure, elderly people croak all the time, it’s a hoax. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2020 11:02 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? The numbers posted on various web sites are neither government sourced or corporate sourced. Hospitals, clinics, and morgues are supplying the numbers. There is a level of uncertainty because of different criteria. That is true for the US cases, but probably not for other countries. For example, the numbers coming from China (and several other countries) are by design government based. But to brush them all off as "government or corporations" is being naive at least. I would not say that "most" patients have pre-existing conditions. Maybe a high percentage, but it does not explain why such a large number of otherwise healthy people are being infected the way they are. At some point, we will figure out that there is a genetic or environmental factor that we just do not understand yet. I (for one) do not believe the numbers are 100% accurate, but I also do not believe the numbers are 100% fictitious either. Where you cut off is probably a personal thing. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 5/5/2020 6:55 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: You guys work with statistics much? You think the numbers are accurate? At what point have you ever seen government or corporations represent 100% accurate numbers? I'll let you do your own homework. But I've seen hundreds of reports from all over the place of deaths of natural causes being classified as covid deaths. Since most patients have existing conditions and many were already dying and died of those conditions (heart attack, cancer etc) are being attributed to covid. Some people have estimated that upward of 20% misrepresented. So as long as there is 1 case that is questionable - the statistics are not accurate. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) _____ From: "Bill Prince" <mailto:part15...@gmail.com> <part15...@gmail.com> To: "af" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 2:04:16 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? The numbers are not "completely" false, but it's the best we can do when we don't actually test all the suspected infections. It also (probably) missed a whole lot of the early deaths, as they were miss-classified. If you think under-ground near-do-wells are planted in all the hospitals around the country and are coordinating false numbers on all the rest of us, then I have a tin hat that might fit real well. bp <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> On 5/4/2020 10:48 AM, Steven Kenney wrote: Numbers are completely false. Even with that taken into regard it still is just as lethal as the regular flu. While it is way more harsh on people if they get it, most people have underlying conditions, or didn't know they had them, or didn't take it serious when they got it. Unfortunately politicians never waste a crisis to further their agenda. -- Steven Kenney Network Operations Manager WaveDirect Telecommunications http://www.wavedirect.net (519)737-WAVE (9283) _____ From: "chuck" <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: "af" <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Monday, May 4, 2020 12:30:08 PM Subject: [AFMUG] OT Is this good? Every time I get my hopes up this curve breaks my heart... Let’s hope we are on the tail of a normal curve. 6 days in a row decline. But it has done this cycle 3 times before with a huge spike after. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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