date:20100420

Nic:
I continue to have the issue, where for example the applications folder won't 
open with VO/spacebar or command O.  I thought it was just me, but there are at 
least 3 people now confirming this.  I feel like I'm too much a rooky to 
explain this well to Apple at this point.  
Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Vic 
  To: MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari


  Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.


  ch...@q.com wrote:
  > Vic:
  > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new difficulties 
with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update may have put a 
couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the "applications"  button 
numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying< "applications 
button pressed," but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a 
lot more than I do can make sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility 
better than I could.
  >
  > Carolyn
  > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
  >
  > > Hello all,
  > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
  > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
  > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
  > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
  > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
  > > couple of seconds.
  > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
  > > with my system?
  > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
  > > ones).
  > >
  > > Thanks for any input.
  > > Victor
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Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari

excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.

Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Vic 
  To: MacVisionaries 
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari


  Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.


  ch...@q.com wrote:
  > Vic:
  > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new difficulties 
with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update may have put a 
couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the "applications"  button 
numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying< "applications 
button pressed," but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a 
lot more than I do can make sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility 
better than I could.
  >
  > Carolyn
  > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
  >
  > > Hello all,
  > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
  > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
  > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
  > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
  > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
  > > couple of seconds.
  > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
  > > with my system?
  > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
  > > ones).
  > >
  > > Thanks for any input.
  > > Victor
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Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari

Hi,

Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though I 
haven't commented at all. lol

Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, and with 
the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the proverbial eye. In 
fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see it.

That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit slower. Not 
by much, though.

I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
everyone else encounters. I feel left out.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:

> excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
>  
> Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: Vic
> To: MacVisionaries
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
> 
> Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
> 
> 
> ch...@q.com wrote:
> > Vic:
> > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new difficulties 
> > with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update may have 
> > put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the "applications"  
> > button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying< 
> > "applications button pressed," but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping 
> > someone who knows a lot more than I do can make sense of the new issues to 
> > Apple Accesibility better than I could.
> >
> > Carolyn
> > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
> > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
> > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
> > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
> > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
> > > couple of seconds.
> > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
> > > with my system?
> > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
> > > ones).
> > >
> > > Thanks for any input.
> > > Victor
> > >
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Re: stupid question alert: spell checking a selection in text edit or anywhere else for that matter

2010-04-20 Thread erik burggraaf

Hum,  this sounds like a switching issue.  In windows, you could often 
highlight a selection and press f7 or some such to make it spellcheck the 
selected text.

Mac doesn't work that way.  If you have the feature turned on, it will tell you 
as you read back that a word is misspelled.  Or, if you have your keyboard echo 
set to words as I have, it will tell you a word is misspelled when you complete 
it by pressing the space bar..  If you want to check that word, you highlight 
it and press control option shift M, and choose the correct spelling from the 
popup menu.

I find the notifications about misspelled words get in my way occasionally but 
other than that, it's a highly streamlined system and my writing has improved 
because of it.

Hope this helps,

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On 2010-04-20, at 1:07 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Oh there's no way to just check a selection of text then? because in the web 
> forms command collen is the onl way to go as it looses focus and I end up in 
> the search iin spotlite menu.
> 
> Tc
> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Jessica and Goldina wrote:
> 
>> hey Sarah,
>> command shift semicolon will spellcheck the entire document. you can do it 
>> manually word by word with command semicolon and then VO shift m to bring up 
>> the contextual menu for the list of suggestions.
>> peace and positivity
>> Jessica and Goldina
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>> On 2010-04-19, at 7:30 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello to all. How do I spell check a selection in text edit or anywhere?
>>> 
>>> I selected the text and hit command shift semicolon and it spellchecked the 
>>> document not the selection. Did I do something wrong?
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari

2010-04-20 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Carolyn,

Have you tried to open the Applications folder by using Command-Shift-A? It 
always works for me.

Cheers,

Anne


On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Carolyn wrote:

> Nic:
> I continue to have the issue, where for example the applications folder won't 
> open with VO/spacebar or command O.  I thought it was just me, but there are 
> at least 3 people now confirming this.  I feel like I'm too much a rooky to 
> explain this well to Apple at this point.  
> Carolyn
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Vic 
>  To: MacVisionaries 
>  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
>  Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
> 
> 
>  Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
> 
> 
>  ch...@q.com wrote:
>> Vic:
>> I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new difficulties 
>> with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update may have 
>> put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the "applications"  
>> button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying< 
>> "applications button pressed," but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping 
>> someone who knows a lot more than I do can make sense of the new issues to 
>> Apple Accesibility better than I could.
>> 
>> Carolyn
>> On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
>>> browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
>>> This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
>>> Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
>>> keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
>>> couple of seconds.
>>> Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
>>> with my system?
>>> I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
>>> ones).
>>> 
>>> Thanks for any input.
>>> Victor
>>> 
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garage band dls player

2010-04-20 Thread chad baker

Hi just wondering what the dls player is in garage band?
I red somewhere its for soundfonts if so is there any good ones out there?
Also any sampler pluggins that's accessible i have several drum samples i'm 
trying to assign to different keys.

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webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really swamped the 
last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is Webkit?
Thanks,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though I 
> haven't commented at all. lol
> 
> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, and 
> with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the proverbial 
> eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see it.
> 
> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit slower. 
> Not by much, though.
> 
> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
>>  
>> Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Vic
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
>> 
>> Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
>> 
>> 
>> ch...@q.com wrote:
>> > Vic:
>> > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new difficulties 
>> > with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update may have 
>> > put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the "applications" 
>> >  button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying< 
>> > "applications button pressed," but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping 
>> > someone who knows a lot more than I do can make sense of the new issues to 
>> > Apple Accesibility better than I could.
>> >
>> > Carolyn
>> > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
>> > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
>> > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
>> > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
>> > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
>> > > couple of seconds.
>> > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
>> > > with my system?
>> > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
>> > > ones).
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for any input.
>> > > Victor
>> > >
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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Hi,

Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling all 
HTML, at least on the Mac.

A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out of date.

That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that getting 
a new version of Webkit fixes it.

http://www.webkit.org

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really swamped 
> the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is Webkit?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though I 
>> haven't commented at all. lol
>> 
>> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, and 
>> with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the proverbial 
>> eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see it.
>> 
>> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit slower. 
>> Not by much, though.
>> 
>> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
>> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>> 
>>> excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
>>>  
>>> Carolyn
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Vic
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ch...@q.com wrote:
>>> > Vic:
>>> > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new difficulties 
>>> > with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update may have 
>>> > put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the 
>>> > "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It 
>>> > just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but doesn't open the 
>>> > folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do can make sense 
>>> > of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better than I could.
>>> >
>>> > Carolyn
>>> > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hello all,
>>> > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
>>> > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
>>> > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
>>> > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
>>> > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
>>> > > couple of seconds.
>>> > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
>>> > > with my system?
>>> > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
>>> > > ones).
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks for any input.
>>> > > Victor
>>> > >
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Braille contractions

Hi guys,

So I got a braille display right here. And I've got the Ceci Braille package. 
The braille table is set to Danish, and while the letters display correctly 
now, it does not seem to work with contractions when they are turned on. I'm a 
bit sad.

Is it possible to edit the package myself and somehow add it? Unless it's just 
not using them, for whatever reason.

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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Oh, thanks, Nic. I'm not having any Safari issues at the moment, but it's good 
to know about this.  Sometime when things settle down, I'll try installing it.
Cheers,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:35 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling all 
> HTML, at least on the Mac.
> 
> A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
> framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out of 
> date.
> 
> That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that 
> getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.
> 
> http://www.webkit.org
> 
> Regards,
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really swamped 
>> the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is Webkit?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though I 
>>> haven't commented at all. lol
>>> 
>>> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, and 
>>> with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
>>> proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see it.
>>> 
>>> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit slower. 
>>> Not by much, though.
>>> 
>>> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
>>> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>>> 
 excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
  
 Carolyn
 - Original Message -
 From: Vic
 To: MacVisionaries
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
 
 Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
 
 
 ch...@q.com wrote:
 > Vic:
 > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
 > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest 
 > update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press 
 > the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  
 > It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but doesn't open 
 > the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do can make 
 > sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better than I could.
 >
 > Carolyn
 > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
 >
 > > Hello all,
 > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
 > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
 > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
 > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
 > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
 > > couple of seconds.
 > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
 > > with my system?
 > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
 > > ones).
 > >
 > > Thanks for any input.
 > > Victor
 > >
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New Tech Doctor Podcast

2010-04-20 Thread Robert Carter

Hi All,

I just wanted to announce that Jenny Axler and I have just published our second 
Tech Doctor podcast.

This podcast is entitled "Does Size Matter: iPad Versus iPod"

The podcast can be found at
http://www.dr-carter.com

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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

I should note that what you're referring to is the nightly builds. There 
is some small amount of risk as the nightly builds incorporate the day's 
code changes which may or may not always work right. The advantage is 
you get all the latest fixes, features and performance enhancements. At 
certain points Apple then takes the webkit framework and migrates it to 
Safari so eventually it gets there. Once nice thing in the current 
webkit builds is a much improved support for ARIA which is markup that 
makes web widgets much more accessible. Not all sites are doing that yet 
but those that do get no special behavior in Safari.

CB

Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is 
handling all HTML, at least on the Mac.

A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download 
the framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is 
far out of date.

That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are 
that getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.

http://www.webkit.org

Regards,
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really 
swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is 
Webkit?

Thanks,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even 
though I haven't commented at all. lol

Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than 
ever, and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can 
blink the proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you 
don't even see it.

That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit 
slower. Not by much, though.

I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the 
issues everyone else encounters. I feel left out.

Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:

excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.

Carolyn

- Original Message -
*From:* Vic 
*To:* MacVisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with
Safari

Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.

ch...@q.com  wrote:
> Vic:
> I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new
difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the
latest update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into
VO.  I can press the "applications"  button numerous times, and
the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying< "applications
button pressed," but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping
someone who knows a lot more than I do can make sense of the
new issues to Apple Accesibility better than I could.
>
> Carolyn
> On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
> > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5
system.
> > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as
Yahoo! mail
> > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances
Voiceover would
> > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do
anything for a
> > couple of seconds.
> > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there
issomething wrong
> > with my system?
> > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of
the latest
> > ones).
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> > Victor
> >
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Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari

I'll try that, Thanks.  But it sure seems like some of the other commands are 
broken, or changed.

Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Robertson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:00 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari


  Hello Carolyn,

  Have you tried to open the Applications folder by using Command-Shift-A? It 
always works for me.

  Cheers,

  Anne


  On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Carolyn wrote:

  > Nic:
  > I continue to have the issue, where for example the applications folder 
won't open with VO/spacebar or command O.  I thought it was just me, but there 
are at least 3 people now confirming this.  I feel like I'm too much a rooky to 
explain this well to Apple at this point.  
  > Carolyn
  >  - Original Message - 
  >  From: Vic 
  >  To: MacVisionaries 
  >  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
  >  Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
  > 
  > 
  >  Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
  > 
  > 
  >  ch...@q.com wrote:
  >> Vic:
  >> I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new difficulties 
with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update may have put a 
couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the "applications"  button 
numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying< "applications 
button pressed," but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a 
lot more than I do can make sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility 
better than I could.
  >> 
  >> Carolyn
  >> On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
  >> 
  >>> Hello all,
  >>> After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
  >>> browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
  >>> This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
  >>> Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
  >>> keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
  >>> couple of seconds.
  >>> Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
  >>> with my system?
  >>> I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
  >>> ones).
  >>> 
  >>> Thanks for any input.
  >>> Victor
  >>> 
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RE: iTunes store

2010-04-20 Thread Joe Plummer

You can register with iTunes without  credit card. You can always add one
later. This being said you can use a debit card that has a master card logo
or visa logo on it. You don't have a credit card or debit card like I have
explained or a gift card you just will not be able to buy through iTunes.


Sign,
JP ( Joe Plummer)
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Subject: itunes store

Hi i don't have a credit card for the itunes store but can i still register
or no?
I'm guessing i need one

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Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari

Well, Nic.  You must just be one of those geeks with the magic touch and/or the 
smarts to go with it.
Take care.

Carolyn
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nicolai Svendsen 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 4:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari


  Hi,


  Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though I 
haven't commented at all. lol


  Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, and 
with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the proverbial 
eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see it.


  That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit slower. 
Not by much, though.


  I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
everyone else encounters. I feel left out.


  Regards,
  Nic

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  On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:


excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.

Carolyn
  - Original Message -
  From: Vic
  To: MacVisionaries
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari


  Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.


  ch...@q.com wrote:
  > Vic:
  > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update 
may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the 
"applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just 
keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but doesn't open the folder.  I'm 
hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do can make sense of the new issues 
to Apple Accesibility better than I could.
  >
  > Carolyn
  > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
  >
  > > Hello all,
  > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
  > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
  > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
  > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
  > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
  > > couple of seconds.
  > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
  > > with my system?
  > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
  > > ones).
  > >
  > > Thanks for any input.
  > > Victor
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Mac & the iPad, History Repeats Itself

Interesting article comparing the early Mac days to the present in how 
Jobs controls features.


http://www.asktog.com/columns/082iPad&Mac.html#

CB

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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Hi,

Yep. That's of course a drawback. But mostly, I've never had issues except that 
one time with multi-select list boxes, or the time when VO kept saying 
"Selected edit".

For a VoiceOVer user, the advantages have been greater rather than nonexistent.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> I should note that what you're referring to is the nightly builds. There is 
> some small amount of risk as the nightly builds incorporate the day's code 
> changes which may or may not always work right. The advantage is you get all 
> the latest fixes, features and performance enhancements. At certain points 
> Apple then takes the webkit framework and migrates it to Safari so eventually 
> it gets there. Once nice thing in the current webkit builds is a much 
> improved support for ARIA which is markup that makes web widgets much more 
> accessible. Not all sites are doing that yet but those that do get no special 
> behavior in Safari.
> 
> CB
> 
> Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling all 
>> HTML, at least on the Mac.
>> 
>> A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
>> framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out of 
>> date.
>> 
>> That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that 
>> getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.
>> 
>> http://www.webkit.org
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really swamped 
>>> the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is Webkit?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though 
 I haven't commented at all. lol
 
 Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, and 
 with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
 proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see 
 it.
 
 That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit slower. 
 Not by much, though.
 
 I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
 everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
 
> excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
>  
> Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: Vic
> To: MacVisionaries
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
> 
> Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
> 
> 
> ch...@q.com wrote:
> > Vic:
> > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
> > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest 
> > update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press 
> > the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  
> > It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but doesn't open 
> > the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do can make 
> > sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better than I could.
> >
> > Carolyn
> > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
> > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
> > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
> > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
> > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
> > > couple of seconds.
> > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
> > > with my system?
> > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
> > > ones).
> > >
> > > Thanks for any input.
> > > Victor
> > >
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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Even if there is a problem, a few days later it might just go away.

CB

Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Yep. That's of course a drawback. But mostly, I've never had issues 
except that one time with multi-select list boxes, or the time when VO 
kept saying "Selected edit".

For a VoiceOVer user, the advantages have been greater rather than 
nonexistent.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com 
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk 
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile 

My Twitter 

On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

I should note that what you're referring to is the nightly builds. 
There is some small amount of risk as the nightly builds incorporate 
the day's code changes which may or may not always work right. The 
advantage is you get all the latest fixes, features and performance 
enhancements. At certain points Apple then takes the webkit framework 
and migrates it to Safari so eventually it gets there. Once nice 
thing in the current webkit builds is a much improved support for 
ARIA which is markup that makes web widgets much more accessible. Not 
all sites are doing that yet but those that do get no special 
behavior in Safari.

CB

Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is 
handling all HTML, at least on the Mac.

A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you 
download the framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple 
version is far out of date.

That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are 
that getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.

http://www.webkit.org 

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com 
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk 
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile 

My Twitter 

On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really 
swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What 
is Webkit?

Thanks,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even 
though I haven't commented at all. lol

Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than 
ever, and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can 
blink the proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that 
you don't even see it.

That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit 
slower. Not by much, though.

I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the 
issues everyone else encounters. I feel left out.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com 
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk 

AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile 

My Twitter 

On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:

excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.

Carolyn

- Original Message -
*From:* Vic 
*To:* MacVisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing
with Safari

Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.

ch...@q.com  wrote:
> Vic:
> I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new
difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that
the latest update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks
into VO.  I can press the "applications"  button numerous
times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying<
"applications button pressed," but doesn't open the folder. 
I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do can make

sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better than I
could.
>
> Carolyn
> On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
> > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5
system.
> > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as
Yahoo! mail
> > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances
Voiceover would
> > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do
anything for a
> > couple of seconds.
> > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there
issomething wrong
> > with my system?
> > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of
the latest
> > ones).
> >

Help! Can't renew my Mobileme account

Hi,
I'm trying to renew my Mobileme account but am encountering a problem with the 
site and VO. It looks like i can read the terms of service allright, but i 
can't fill in the check box that confirms that i've read the TOS and without 
that one checked, i can't go past the renewal page.
I can't scroll down the edit box with the TOS in it, VO or if it is Safari 
won't let me. Any hints on what to do in this situation?
/Krister

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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Hi,

Yeah, that's the nice thing about it.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Even if there is a problem, a few days later it might just go away.
> 
> CB
> 
> Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yep. That's of course a drawback. But mostly, I've never had issues except 
>> that one time with multi-select list boxes, or the time when VO kept saying 
>> "Selected edit".
>> 
>> For a VoiceOVer user, the advantages have been greater rather than 
>> nonexistent.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>> 
>>> I should note that what you're referring to is the nightly builds. There is 
>>> some small amount of risk as the nightly builds incorporate the day's code 
>>> changes which may or may not always work right. The advantage is you get 
>>> all the latest fixes, features and performance enhancements. At certain 
>>> points Apple then takes the webkit framework and migrates it to Safari so 
>>> eventually it gets there. Once nice thing in the current webkit builds is a 
>>> much improved support for ARIA which is markup that makes web widgets much 
>>> more accessible. Not all sites are doing that yet but those that do get no 
>>> special behavior in Safari.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling 
 all HTML, at least on the Mac.
 
 A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
 framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out of 
 date.
 
 That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that 
 getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.
 
 http://www.webkit.org
 
 Regards,
 Nic
 Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
 Skype: Kvalme
 MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
 AIM: cincinster
 yahoo Messenger: cin368
 Facebook Profile
 My Twitter
 
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
 
> Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really 
> swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is 
> Webkit?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even 
>> though I haven't commented at all. lol
>> 
>> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, 
>> and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
>> proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see 
>> it.
>> 
>> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit 
>> slower. Not by much, though.
>> 
>> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
>> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>> 
>>> excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
>>>  
>>> Carolyn
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Vic
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ch...@q.com wrote:
>>> > Vic:
>>> > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
>>> > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the 
>>> > latest update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I 
>>> > can press the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder 
>>> > won't open.  It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but 
>>> > doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more 
>>> > than I do can make sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility 
>>> > better than I could.
>>> >
>>> > Carolyn
>>> > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hello all,
>>> > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
>>> > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
>>> > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
>>> > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
>>

Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Thanks, Chris and Nic, this is good to know.  I assume that once you've 
installed it, you can remove it if there are problems?
Thanks,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yep. That's of course a drawback. But mostly, I've never had issues except 
> that one time with multi-select list boxes, or the time when VO kept saying 
> "Selected edit".
> 
> For a VoiceOVer user, the advantages have been greater rather than 
> nonexistent.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> I should note that what you're referring to is the nightly builds. There is 
>> some small amount of risk as the nightly builds incorporate the day's code 
>> changes which may or may not always work right. The advantage is you get all 
>> the latest fixes, features and performance enhancements. At certain points 
>> Apple then takes the webkit framework and migrates it to Safari so 
>> eventually it gets there. Once nice thing in the current webkit builds is a 
>> much improved support for ARIA which is markup that makes web widgets much 
>> more accessible. Not all sites are doing that yet but those that do get no 
>> special behavior in Safari.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling all 
>>> HTML, at least on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
>>> framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out of 
>>> date.
>>> 
>>> That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that 
>>> getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.
>>> 
>>> http://www.webkit.org
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really 
 swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is 
 Webkit?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though 
> I haven't commented at all. lol
> 
> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, 
> and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
> proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see 
> it.
> 
> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit 
> slower. Not by much, though.
> 
> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
>>  
>> Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Vic
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
>> 
>> Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
>> 
>> 
>> ch...@q.com wrote:
>> > Vic:
>> > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
>> > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest 
>> > update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can 
>> > press the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't 
>> > open.  It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but 
>> > doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than 
>> > I do can make sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better 
>> > than I could.
>> >
>> > Carolyn
>> > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
>> > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
>> > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
>> > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
>> > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for 
>> > > a
>> > > couple of seconds.
>> > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
>> > > with my system?
>> > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one o

Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

You know, guys, that's a little weird. *grin* Well, I don't need any added 
chaos in my life at the moment, but I will try it when things settle down.
Take care,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:44 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, that's the nice thing about it.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:43 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> Even if there is a problem, a few days later it might just go away.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yep. That's of course a drawback. But mostly, I've never had issues except 
>>> that one time with multi-select list boxes, or the time when VO kept saying 
>>> "Selected edit".
>>> 
>>> For a VoiceOVer user, the advantages have been greater rather than 
>>> nonexistent.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> 
 I should note that what you're referring to is the nightly builds. There 
 is some small amount of risk as the nightly builds incorporate the day's 
 code changes which may or may not always work right. The advantage is you 
 get all the latest fixes, features and performance enhancements. At 
 certain points Apple then takes the webkit framework and migrates it to 
 Safari so eventually it gets there. Once nice thing in the current webkit 
 builds is a much improved support for ARIA which is markup that makes web 
 widgets much more accessible. Not all sites are doing that yet but those 
 that do get no special behavior in Safari.
 
 CB
 
 Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling 
> all HTML, at least on the Mac.
> 
> A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
> framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out 
> of date.
> 
> That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that 
> getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.
> 
> http://www.webkit.org
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
> AIM: cincinster
> yahoo Messenger: cin368
> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really 
>> swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is 
>> Webkit?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even 
>>> though I haven't commented at all. lol
>>> 
>>> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, 
>>> and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
>>> proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even 
>>> see it.
>>> 
>>> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit 
>>> slower. Not by much, though.
>>> 
>>> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
>>> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>>> 
 excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
  
 Carolyn
 - Original Message -
 From: Vic
 To: MacVisionaries
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
 
 Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
 
 
 ch...@q.com wrote:
 > Vic:
 > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
 > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the 
 > latest update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I 
 > can press the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder 
 > won't open.  It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," 
 > but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot 
 > more than I do can make sense of the new issues to Apple 
 > Accesibility better than I could.
 >
 > Carolyn
 > On Apr 1

Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Or just switch back to Safari for a few days if the problem makes things 
unusable. I've not had that experience though.

CB

Donna Goodin wrote:
Thanks, Chris and Nic, this is good to know.  I assume that once 
you've installed it, you can remove it if there are problems?

Thanks,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Yep. That's of course a drawback. But mostly, I've never had issues 
except that one time with multi-select list boxes, or the time when 
VO kept saying "Selected edit".

For a VoiceOVer user, the advantages have been greater rather than 
nonexistent.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com 
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk 
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile 

My Twitter 

On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

I should note that what you're referring to is the nightly builds. 
There is some small amount of risk as the nightly builds incorporate 
the day's code changes which may or may not always work right. The 
advantage is you get all the latest fixes, features and performance 
enhancements. At certain points Apple then takes the webkit 
framework and migrates it to Safari so eventually it gets there. 
Once nice thing in the current webkit builds is a much improved 
support for ARIA which is markup that makes web widgets much more 
accessible. Not all sites are doing that yet but those that do get 
no special behavior in Safari.

CB

Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is 
handling all HTML, at least on the Mac.

A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you 
download the framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple 
version is far out of date.

That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are 
that getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.

http://www.webkit.org 

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com 
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk 
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile 

My Twitter 

On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been 
really swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it. 
 What is Webkit?

Thanks,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, 
even though I haven't commented at all. lol

Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than 
ever, and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can 
blink the proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that 
you don't even see it.

That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a 
bit slower. Not by much, though.

I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the 
issues everyone else encounters. I feel left out.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:

excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.

Carolyn

- Original Message -
*From:* Vic 
*To:* MacVisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing
with Safari

Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.

ch...@q.com  wrote:
> Vic:
> I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some
new difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect
that the latest update may have put a couple of inadvertent
kinks into VO.  I can press the "applications"  button
numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps
saying< "applications button pressed," but doesn't open the
folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do
can make sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility
better than I could.
>
> Carolyn
> On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing
that
> > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous
10.5 system.
> > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as
Yahoo! mail
> > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances
Voiceover would
> > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do
any

itunes store update

2010-04-20 Thread chad baker

Hi trouble still registering without a credit card.
I'm getting one don't have one.
i get to the last step and can't complete without the credit card.

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Re: itunes store update

I don't think you can register wiht out a card. that's what I've been told by 
some twittervillions.

Take care. and I might be wrong about that btw.
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> I'm getting one don't have one.
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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Webcit is the backbone of safary. I use it and it runs well most of the time. 
It does not solve all the problems I'm ahving with safary but it dows work.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really swamped 
> the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is Webkit?
> Thanks,
> Donna
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though I 
>> haven't commented at all. lol
>> 
>> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, and 
>> with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the proverbial 
>> eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see it.
>> 
>> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit slower. 
>> Not by much, though.
>> 
>> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
>> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>> 
>>> excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
>>>  
>>> Carolyn
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Vic
>>> To: MacVisionaries
>>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
>>> 
>>> Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ch...@q.com wrote:
>>> > Vic:
>>> > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new difficulties 
>>> > with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update may have 
>>> > put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the 
>>> > "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It 
>>> > just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but doesn't open the 
>>> > folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do can make sense 
>>> > of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better than I could.
>>> >
>>> > Carolyn
>>> > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Hello all,
>>> > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
>>> > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
>>> > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
>>> > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
>>> > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
>>> > > couple of seconds.
>>> > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
>>> > > with my system?
>>> > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
>>> > > ones).
>>> > >
>>> > > Thanks for any input.
>>> > > Victor
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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Now I do have a question. do I have to run the webkit.app every time I want to 
run safary from now on or just once in a while to update the fraimwork?

Take care.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling all 
> HTML, at least on the Mac.
> 
> A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
> framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out of 
> date.
> 
> That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that 
> getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.
> 
> http://www.webkit.org
> 
> Regards,
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really swamped 
>> the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is Webkit?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though I 
>>> haven't commented at all. lol
>>> 
>>> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, and 
>>> with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
>>> proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see it.
>>> 
>>> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit slower. 
>>> Not by much, though.
>>> 
>>> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
>>> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>>> 
 excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
  
 Carolyn
 - Original Message -
 From: Vic
 To: MacVisionaries
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
 
 Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
 
 
 ch...@q.com wrote:
 > Vic:
 > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
 > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest 
 > update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press 
 > the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  
 > It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but doesn't open 
 > the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do can make 
 > sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better than I could.
 >
 > Carolyn
 > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
 >
 > > Hello all,
 > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
 > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
 > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
 > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
 > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
 > > couple of seconds.
 > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
 > > with my system?
 > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
 > > ones).
 > >
 > > Thanks for any input.
 > > Victor
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Re: Help! Can't renew my Mobileme account

Hi,

Mine was a clickable item I had to VO-space on. I can't remember if it was 
before or after the terms of service.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi,
> I'm trying to renew my Mobileme account but am encountering a problem with 
> the site and VO. It looks like i can read the terms of service allright, but 
> i can't fill in the check box that confirms that i've read the TOS and 
> without that one checked, i can't go past the renewal page.
> I can't scroll down the edit box with the TOS in it, VO or if it is Safari 
> won't let me. Any hints on what to do in this situation?
> /Krister
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Re: stupid question alert: spell checking a selection in text edit or anywhere else for that matter

Ah ok. I'll just spellcheck the thing every nce ihn a while then.

Ah well.

Thanks. Yeah  it wasa   switching issue. I run both os's now so am confused 
once in a while. lol.

Tc

S
On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:50 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hum,  this sounds like a switching issue.  In windows, you could often 
> highlight a selection and press f7 or some such to make it spellcheck the 
> selected text.
> 
> Mac doesn't work that way.  If you have the feature turned on, it will tell 
> you as you read back that a word is misspelled.  Or, if you have your 
> keyboard echo set to words as I have, it will tell you a word is misspelled 
> when you complete it by pressing the space bar..  If you want to check that 
> word, you highlight it and press control option shift M, and choose the 
> correct spelling from the popup menu.
> 
> I find the notifications about misspelled words get in my way occasionally 
> but other than that, it's a highly streamlined system and my writing has 
> improved because of it.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
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> On 2010-04-20, at 1:07 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> Oh there's no way to just check a selection of text then? because in the web 
>> forms command collen is the onl way to go as it looses focus and I end up in 
>> the search iin spotlite menu.
>> 
>> Tc
>> On Apr 19, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Jessica and Goldina wrote:
>> 
>>> hey Sarah,
>>> command shift semicolon will spellcheck the entire document. you can do it 
>>> manually word by word with command semicolon and then VO shift m to bring 
>>> up the contextual menu for the list of suggestions.
>>> peace and positivity
>>> Jessica and Goldina
>>> follow me on Twitter:
>>> http://www.twitter.com/canadian_diva
>>> 
>>> On 2010-04-19, at 7:30 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
>>> 
 Hello to all. How do I spell check a selection in text edit or anywhere?
 
 I selected the text and hit command shift semicolon and it spellchecked 
 the document not the selection. Did I do something wrong?
 
 thanks.
 
 
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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

After installing webkit you will have a second app called webkit. There 
is no effect on Safari. So if you want the officially supported version 
launch Safari. If you want the latest greatest run Webkit. Each time you 
launch webkit it will check if there is an update and ask to 
download/install if it finds one (usually every 24 hours).

CB

Sarah Alawami wrote:
Now I do have a question. do I have to run the webkit.app every time I 
want to run safary from now on or just once in a while to update the 
fraimwork?

Take care.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is 
handling all HTML, at least on the Mac.

A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download 
the framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is 
far out of date.

That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are 
that getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.

http://www.webkit.org 

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really 
swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is 
Webkit?

Thanks,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even 
though I haven't commented at all. lol

Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than 
ever, and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can 
blink the proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you 
don't even see it.

That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit 
slower. Not by much, though.

I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the 
issues everyone else encounters. I feel left out.

Regards,
Nic
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:

excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.

Carolyn

- Original Message -
*From:* Vic 
*To:* MacVisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing
with Safari

Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.

ch...@q.com  wrote:
> Vic:
> I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new
difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that
the latest update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks
into VO.  I can press the "applications"  button numerous
times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying<
"applications button pressed," but doesn't open the folder. 
I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do can make

sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better than I could.
>
> Carolyn
> On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
> > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5
system.
> > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as
Yahoo! mail
> > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances
Voiceover would
> > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do
anything for a
> > couple of seconds.
> > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there
issomething wrong
> > with my system?
> > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of
the latest
> > ones).
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> > Victor
> >
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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Hi,

It also runs Safari, so you will have all your settings. IN case anyone is 
confused. SO you can set it as your default web browser.

You can uninstall it, but that is pointless. Your bug may be fixed the next day.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> After installing webkit you will have a second app called webkit. There is no 
> effect on Safari. So if you want the officially supported version launch 
> Safari. If you want the latest greatest run Webkit. Each time you launch 
> webkit it will check if there is an update and ask to download/install if it 
> finds one (usually every 24 hours).
> 
> CB
> 
> Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> Now I do have a question. do I have to run the webkit.app every time I want 
>> to run safary from now on or just once in a while to update the fraimwork?
>> 
>> Take care.
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling all 
>>> HTML, at least on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
>>> framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out of 
>>> date.
>>> 
>>> That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that 
>>> getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.
>>> 
>>> http://www.webkit.org
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really 
 swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is 
 Webkit?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though 
> I haven't commented at all. lol
> 
> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, 
> and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
> proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see 
> it.
> 
> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit 
> slower. Not by much, though.
> 
> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
>>  
>> Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Vic
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
>> 
>> Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
>> 
>> 
>> ch...@q.com wrote:
>> > Vic:
>> > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
>> > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest 
>> > update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can 
>> > press the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't 
>> > open.  It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but 
>> > doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than 
>> > I do can make sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better 
>> > than I could.
>> >
>> > Carolyn
>> > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
>> > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
>> > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
>> > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
>> > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for 
>> > > a
>> > > couple of seconds.
>> > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
>> > > with my system?
>> > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
>> > > ones).
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for any input.
>> > > Victor
>> > >
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Re: question about extracting audio

You could use RipIt to extract the DVD to files first. It's commercial 
($20) but works well. They have actually tested it with about 250,000 DVDs.


http://thelittleappfactory.com/ripit/

CB

Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

What do you do about DVD encryption? I asked this earlier referring to a 
plug-in for VLC, but I guess no one knew. I have a lot of those.

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On Apr 18, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Darcy Burnard wrote:

  

For extracting the audio from a video file, I recommend mpeg stream clip.  It's 
free, and you get it at the following URL.
http://www.squared5.com/svideo/mpeg-streamclip-mac.html
Note that when you run the program, it will tell you that it needs the apple 
mpeg2 quicktime component.  It doesn't need this for audio extraction, so just 
ignore that warning.
Darcy

On 2010-04-17, at 3:38 PM, annelie robledo wrote:



Hi list members,

I would like to know how to extract audio from a video. What application can I 
use to do this? Any help would be appreciated.

Annelie

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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

I guess I should have been more clear about that. Webkit uses the same 
'shell' of Safari, but the render engine underneath is the nightly 
build. So you will have some difficulty being able to tell the two apart 
when running other than the app name or some new features. You can run 
them both at the same time if you wish.

CB

Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

It also runs Safari, so you will have all your settings. IN case 
anyone is confused. SO you can set it as your default web browser.

You can uninstall it, but that is pointless. Your bug may be fixed the 
next day.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:04 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:

After installing webkit you will have a second app called webkit. 
There is no effect on Safari. So if you want the officially supported 
version launch Safari. If you want the latest greatest run Webkit. 
Each time you launch webkit it will check if there is an update and 
ask to download/install if it finds one (usually every 24 hours).

CB

Sarah Alawami wrote:
Now I do have a question. do I have to run the webkit.app every time 
I want to run safary from now on or just once in a while to update 
the fraimwork?

Take care.
On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is 
handling all HTML, at least on the Mac.

A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you 
download the framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple 
version is far out of date.

That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are 
that getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.

http://www.webkit.org 

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been 
really swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it. 
 What is Webkit?

Thanks,
Donna
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, 
even though I haven't commented at all. lol

Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than 
ever, and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can 
blink the proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that 
you don't even see it.

That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a 
bit slower. Not by much, though.

I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the 
issues everyone else encounters. I feel left out.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com 
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk 

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Facebook Profile 

My Twitter 

On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:

excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.

Carolyn

- Original Message -
*From:* Vic 
*To:* MacVisionaries 
*Sent:* Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
*Subject:* Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing
with Safari

Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.

ch...@q.com  wrote:
> Vic:
> I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some
new difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect
that the latest update may have put a couple of inadvertent
kinks into VO.  I can press the "applications"  button
numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps
saying< "applications button pressed," but doesn't open the
folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do
can make sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility
better than I could.
>
> Carolyn
> On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing
that
> > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous
10.5 system.
> > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as
Yahoo! mail
> > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances
Voiceover would
> > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do
anything for a
> > couple of seconds.
> > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there

Re: Weird IMAP Behavior; I am stuck

Internet mail servers generally come in two flavors. The POP mail 
systems have your client pick up mail and copy it to your local system, 
removing it from your mail provider's system. The IMAP ones have your 
client interact with mail on the server as you go along. So you retrieve 
a lit of mail and only if you open a message does it get downloaded. 
Even then it's still on the server and is only removed from the server 
if you delete it. This also means that if you hit the same mail service 
from another machine your mail will still be there. Nice for webmail 
also. Downside with IMAP is you must be online to get your mail while 
POP stores the mail on your local machine. Some mail applications let 
you download mail from an IMAP server for off-line use, but I've not 
played with that.


CB

Jon Cohn wrote:

WHat is the IMAP server? Gmail recently changed a couple of things...

Jon

  


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Re: Apple to go with AMD next?

The article is heavy on speculation and light on specs. I'm sure Apple 
is comparing roadmaps and price points to see if AMD has something 
better to offer. Switching to AMD would be a non-trivial change and they 
aren't going to do it unless AMD has something substantially better. 
Can't hurt to hear their pitch but I wouldn't be jumping to any conclusions.


CB

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Here's the link: 
 http://chris.pirillo.com/is-apple-getting-into-bed-with-amd/ Tell me 
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Re: Any blind iPhone developers out there?

Not only is the simulator not accessible via voiceover on the Mac, it 
also doesn't even simulate the iPhone's accessibility technologies so a 
developer can't simulate high contrast, magnification or voiceover on 
the phone. This can be problematic since a developer can create iPhone 
apps with clickable (tap-able) regions that work in the simulator but 
are not accessible with voiceover. The only way to test accessibility 
today is to download the actual build to an iPhone and try stuff out 
there. This makes things a bit complex because now it expects the 
average developer to not only know voiceover exists, but to actually 
turn it on and learn the new gesture system to test things out. I 
suspect most will not do this.


CB

Joel Zimba wrote:
I am finding the ide a bit cumbersome.  


I do believe the simulator will be completely inaccessible, but I've not played 
with it yet.

Perhaps I can blast it straight to the phone--it will be slower I'm sure.

Will let you know more when I know for sure.

Joel

On Apr 17, 2010, at 3:11 AM, Victor Tsaran wrote:

  

Hello all,
Any blind developer was able to successfully write an iPhone app? What gochas, 
difficulties did you have to deal with?

Thanks,
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Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari

Carolyn,
I wonder where you're trying to open the applications folder? When I'm in 
finder, and hit cmd-N to open a new finder window, it automatically puts me in 
the home folder. My apps folder is not visible in this window. What I then do 
is stop interacting with the area and VO-left to the side-bar and interact and 
arrow down once. When re-interacting, I'm now in the scroll area. This is of 
course using the icons mode. If in table view you need to expand rather than 
open. Guess I'm trying to understand where it is you're having the issue in 
order to see if I can replicate it. And the cmd-shift-A command also works 
amazingly. This is my preferred choice but as I was saying, I'm trying to 
understand where you're attempting to vo-space on apps.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 15:12, Carolyn wrote:

> I'll try that, Thanks.  But it sure seems like some of the other commands are 
> broken, or changed.
>  
> Carolyn
> - Original Message -
> From: Anne Robertson
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 6:00 AM
> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
> 
> Hello Carolyn,
> 
> Have you tried to open the Applications folder by using Command-Shift-A? It 
> always works for me.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:29 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
> > Nic:
> > I continue to have the issue, where for example the applications folder 
> > won't open with VO/spacebar or command O.  I thought it was just me, but 
> > there are at least 3 people now confirming this.  I feel like I'm too much 
> > a rooky to explain this well to Apple at this point.  
> > Carolyn
> >  - Original Message - 
> >  From: Vic 
> >  To: MacVisionaries 
> >  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
> >  Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
> > 
> > 
> >  Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
> > 
> > 
> >  ch...@q.com wrote:
> >> Vic:
> >> I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new difficulties 
> >> with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest update may have 
> >> put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press the "applications" 
> >>  button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  It just keeps saying< 
> >> "applications button pressed," but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping 
> >> someone who knows a lot more than I do can make sense of the new issues to 
> >> Apple Accesibility better than I could.
> >> 
> >> Carolyn
> >> On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hello all,
> >>> After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
> >>> browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
> >>> This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
> >>> Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
> >>> keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
> >>> couple of seconds.
> >>> Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
> >>> with my system?
> >>> I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
> >>> ones).
> >>> 
> >>> Thanks for any input.
> >>> Victor
> >>> 
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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Webkit has been a great support when problems have arisen in safari. A friend 
of mine was having issues with facebook last year, I recommended webkit and his 
problems were solved. And you never notice its there. :)

On 20 Apr 2010, at 15:50, Chris Blouch wrote:

> Or just switch back to Safari for a few days if the problem makes things 
> unusable. I've not had that experience though.
> 
> CB
> 
> Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Chris and Nic, this is good to know.  I assume that once you've 
>> installed it, you can remove it if there are problems?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:30 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yep. That's of course a drawback. But mostly, I've never had issues except 
>>> that one time with multi-select list boxes, or the time when VO kept saying 
>>> "Selected edit".
>>> 
>>> For a VoiceOVer user, the advantages have been greater rather than 
>>> nonexistent.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 3:59 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
>>> 
 I should note that what you're referring to is the nightly builds. There 
 is some small amount of risk as the nightly builds incorporate the day's 
 code changes which may or may not always work right. The advantage is you 
 get all the latest fixes, features and performance enhancements. At 
 certain points Apple then takes the webkit framework and migrates it to 
 Safari so eventually it gets there. Once nice thing in the current webkit 
 builds is a much improved support for ARIA which is markup that makes web 
 widgets much more accessible. Not all sites are doing that yet but those 
 that do get no special behavior in Safari.
 
 CB
 
 Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling 
> all HTML, at least on the Mac.
> 
> A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
> framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out 
> of date.
> 
> That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that 
> getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.
> 
> http://www.webkit.org
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really 
>> swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is 
>> Webkit?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even 
>>> though I haven't commented at all. lol
>>> 
>>> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, 
>>> and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
>>> proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even 
>>> see it.
>>> 
>>> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit 
>>> slower. Not by much, though.
>>> 
>>> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
>>> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>>> 
 excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
  
 Carolyn
 - Original Message -
 From: Vic
 To: MacVisionaries
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
 
 Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
 
 
 ch...@q.com wrote:
 > Vic:
 > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
 > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the 
 > latest update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I 
 > can press the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder 
 > won't open.  It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," 
 > but doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot 
 > more than I do can make sense of the new issues to Apple 
 > Accesibility better than I could.
 >
 > Carolyn

Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

I really can't say I'm having any problems with safari at the minute.
If anything, its improved since the last update.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 15:56, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> Webcit is the backbone of safary. I use it and it runs well most of the time. 
> It does not solve all the problems I'm ahving with safary but it dows work.
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:43 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really swamped 
>> the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is Webkit?
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though I 
>>> haven't commented at all. lol
>>> 
>>> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, and 
>>> with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
>>> proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see it.
>>> 
>>> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit slower. 
>>> Not by much, though.
>>> 
>>> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
>>> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
>>> 
 excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
  
 Carolyn
 - Original Message -
 From: Vic
 To: MacVisionaries
 Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
 Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
 
 Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
 
 
 ch...@q.com wrote:
 > Vic:
 > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
 > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest 
 > update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can press 
 > the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't open.  
 > It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but doesn't open 
 > the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than I do can make 
 > sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better than I could.
 >
 > Carolyn
 > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
 >
 > > Hello all,
 > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
 > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
 > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
 > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
 > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for a
 > > couple of seconds.
 > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
 > > with my system?
 > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
 > > ones).
 > >
 > > Thanks for any input.
 > > Victor
 > >
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Re: Help! Can't renew my Mobileme account

Problem was that if i clicked on the clickable item, nothing happened. Wonder 
if i did something wrong oh and the confirmation that i agreed to the terms of 
service wasn't clickable.
Did that make any sence at all?
/Krister


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> Hi,
> 
> Mine was a clickable item I had to VO-space on. I can't remember if it was 
> before or after the terms of service.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm trying to renew my Mobileme account but am encountering a problem with 
>> the site and VO. It looks like i can read the terms of service allright, but 
>> i can't fill in the check box that confirms that i've read the TOS and 
>> without that one checked, i can't go past the renewal page.
>> I can't scroll down the edit box with the TOS in it, VO or if it is Safari 
>> won't let me. Any hints on what to do in this situation?
>> /Krister
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Re: itunes store update

you can register without a account. This can be done one of two ways.
Either, search for a free app and click get, then when it asks you to register, 
go through the process. There will be a none, selection visible on the credit 
card page, you need to select it. 
Or, use a redeeming itunes voucher to purchase something and register that way. 
It is possible. I promise.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 15:54, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I don't think you can register wiht out a card. that's what I've been told by 
> some twittervillions.
> 
> Take care. and I might be wrong about that btw.
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:48 AM, chad baker wrote:
> 
>> Hi trouble still registering without a credit card.
>> I'm getting one don't have one.
>> i get to the last step and can't complete without the credit card.
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Re: Help! Can't renew my Mobileme account

2010-04-20 Thread John André Netland

Hi Krister,

Try doing control-option-shift-space on all items you are about to click 
For now, this is the expected procedure many places at me.com ...

HOpe this helps,
John André


On 20. apr. 2010, at 17.55, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Problem was that if i clicked on the clickable item, nothing happened. Wonder 
> if i did something wrong oh and the confirmation that i agreed to the terms 
> of service wasn't clickable.
> Did that make any sence at all?
> /Krister
> 
> 
> 20 apr 2010 kl. 16.59 skrev Nicolai Svendsen:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Mine was a clickable item I had to VO-space on. I can't remember if it was 
>> before or after the terms of service.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
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>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> I'm trying to renew my Mobileme account but am encountering a problem with 
>>> the site and VO. It looks like i can read the terms of service allright, 
>>> but i can't fill in the check box that confirms that i've read the TOS and 
>>> without that one checked, i can't go past the renewal page.
>>> I can't scroll down the edit box with the TOS in it, VO or if it is Safari 
>>> won't let me. Any hints on what to do in this situation?
>>> /Krister
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Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Hi guys,
Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for you 
all to read.

It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the blind in 
the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but will read on 
text edit and such on the mac.
thanks
http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx

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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

2010-04-20 Thread John J Herzog

Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, this 
article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives of the 
product which is good. 
The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they made to 
big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not that hard 
since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all of two seconds 
to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 

John 

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> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
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> all to read.
> 
> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the blind 
> in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but will read 
> on text edit and such on the mac.
> thanks
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Re: Apple to go with AMD next?

2010-04-20 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose

Shen, the cpu in the iPad has very little to do with apple choosing to
switch to amd.
The cpu in question is probably the product of a company that apple
purchased a few years ago that makes high quality low power mobile
processors. The reason why the info on the cpu is so vague is because
apple don't want any other company to be able to use it.

Just because a company is good at making mobile processors it doesn't
mean that there good at making more standard ones.

On 20/04/2010, Chris Blouch  wrote:
> The article is heavy on speculation and light on specs. I'm sure Apple
> is comparing roadmaps and price points to see if AMD has something
> better to offer. Switching to AMD would be a non-trivial change and they
> aren't going to do it unless AMD has something substantially better.
> Can't hurt to hear their pitch but I wouldn't be jumping to any conclusions.
>
> CB
>
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>> Here's the link:
>>  http://chris.pirillo.com/is-apple-getting-into-bed-with-amd/ Tell me
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Re: webkit? (was Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari)

Ah I see. I was hoping it would be linked but yeah the webkit is working pretty 
good.

Take care.

S
On Apr 20, 2010, at 8:04 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:

> After installing webkit you will have a second app called webkit. There is no 
> effect on Safari. So if you want the officially supported version launch 
> Safari. If you want the latest greatest run Webkit. Each time you launch 
> webkit it will check if there is an update and ask to download/install if it 
> finds one (usually every 24 hours).
> 
> CB
> 
> Sarah Alawami wrote:
>> 
>> Now I do have a question. do I have to run the webkit.app every time I want 
>> to run safary from now on or just once in a while to update the fraimwork?
>> 
>> Take care.
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 5:35 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Webkit is the underlying framework for Safari. That is what is handling all 
>>> HTML, at least on the Mac.
>>> 
>>> A lot of the time, stability with Webkit is increased if you download the 
>>> framework yourself and keep it up-to-date. The Apple version is far out of 
>>> date.
>>> 
>>> That's just a brief summary, but if something crashes, chances are that 
>>> getting a new version of Webkit fixes it.
>>> 
>>> http://www.webkit.org
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:43 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 Sorry all, if this has already been discussed, but I've been really 
 swamped the last couple of months, so I may have missed it.  What is 
 Webkit?
 Thanks,
 Donna
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:55 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> Yeah, I was wondering if you were talking to me for a second, even though 
> I haven't commented at all. lol
> 
> Well, I haven't noticed anything. In fact, Safari is better than ever, 
> and with the installation of Webkit, it's faster than I can blink the 
> proverbial eye. In fact, it's so blindingly fast that you don't even see 
> it.
> 
> That's true, even if I use the regular-type Safari, but it's a bit 
> slower. Not by much, though.
> 
> I suck at troubleshooting. This is because I never encounter the issues 
> everyone else encounters. I feel left out.
> 
> Regards,
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:30 PM, Carolyn wrote:
> 
>> excuse me Vic.  Too little sleep here, and I misheard your name.
>>  
>> Carolyn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Vic
>> To: MacVisionaries
>> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 11:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Mac OS 10.6.3 speed, Voiceover and browsing with Safari
>> 
>> Thanks a lot, Carolyn, for confirming this.
>> 
>> 
>> ch...@q.com wrote:
>> > Vic:
>> > I haven't seen this with safari, but I have noticed some new 
>> > difficulties with VO focus.  I am beginning to suspect that the latest 
>> > update may have put a couple of inadvertent kinks into VO.  I can 
>> > press the "applications"  button numerous times, and the folder won't 
>> > open.  It just keeps saying< "applications button pressed," but 
>> > doesn't open the folder.  I'm hoping someone who knows a lot more than 
>> > I do can make sense of the new issues to Apple Accesibility better 
>> > than I could.
>> >
>> > Carolyn
>> > On Apr 18, 2010, at 1:52 PM, Vic wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > > After upgrading to the latest Mac OS 10.6.3 I am noticing that
>> > > browsing with Safari is a bit slower than on previous 10.5 system.
>> > > This is particularly noticeable on dynamic sites such as Yahoo! mail
>> > > Classic or Facebook. For example, in many instances Voiceover would
>> > > keep on saying "Safari Busy" and you are not able to do anything for 
>> > > a
>> > > couple of seconds.
>> > > Is anyone else is noticing this behavior or there issomething wrong
>> > > with my system?
>> > > I am running the new OS on the 13-inch Macbook Pro (one of the latest
>> > > ones).
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for any input.
>> > > Victor
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Re: Help! Can't renew my Mobileme account

Hi,
I tried that too, only problem was i couldn't route the mouse cursor to VO it 
said that nothing was under the mouse and vo-shift-spacebar only opened the 
apple menu.
I'll try again.
/Krister


20 apr 2010 kl. 18.10 skrev John André Netland:

> Hi Krister,
> 
> Try doing control-option-shift-space on all items you are about to click 
> For now, this is the expected procedure many places at me.com ...
> 
> HOpe this helps,
> John André
> 
> 
> On 20. apr. 2010, at 17.55, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
> 
>> Problem was that if i clicked on the clickable item, nothing happened. 
>> Wonder if i did something wrong oh and the confirmation that i agreed to the 
>> terms of service wasn't clickable.
>> Did that make any sence at all?
>> /Krister
>> 
>> 
>> 20 apr 2010 kl. 16.59 skrev Nicolai Svendsen:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Mine was a clickable item I had to VO-space on. I can't remember if it was 
>>> before or after the terms of service.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:42 PM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 I'm trying to renew my Mobileme account but am encountering a problem with 
 the site and VO. It looks like i can read the terms of service allright, 
 but i can't fill in the check box that confirms that i've read the TOS and 
 without that one checked, i can't go past the renewal page.
 I can't scroll down the edit box with the TOS in it, VO or if it is Safari 
 won't let me. Any hints on what to do in this situation?
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't think 
they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the accessibility 
out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put users off entirely 
and let's see, how many products are accessible out of the box that rNIB 
promotes readily?
I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree with 
me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.

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> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, this 
> article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives of the 
> product which is good. 
> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they made 
> to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not that 
> hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all of two 
> seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
> 
> John 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
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>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
>> writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for 
>> you all to read.
>> 
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>> in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but will 
>> read on text edit and such on the mac.
>> thanks
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Re: HTML5 and youtube

Hmm. So I went to this video (nice Acapella medley piece by Sam Tsui
singing all six parts)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R12QVtuB0_Q

In DOM mode, after the click to be notified button comes the unlabeled
play button, by another unlabeled button which does nothing, then the
current and total time and then the unlabeled mute button and then
another unlabeled button which does nothing. So at least it can be
stopped/started and muted, but needs a bunch of help on the other
buttons. At a minimum the arrow keys should fastforward and rewind the
content.

Darcy Burnard wrote:

Hi. For some reason, videos in the html5 player do not always auto-play.
Sometimes they auto-play, but more often then not, they don't.
When you bring up a video, the player controls are inside a table. It is the
only table on the page. The table has only one row. All the buttons in this
table are unlabelled. The far left button is the play/pause button. The item
in the middle column is the time counter, you see the current time, followed by
the total time of the video. I can't remember off hand what the other buttons
do. One of them is a mute.
Note that videos with embedded ads can't play in the html5 player, it will
still use flash for those.
Hope this made sense.
Darcy

On 2010-04-16, at 4:15 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

I have switched my youtube viewing to HTML5 but videos are A not autoplaying and B I can't locate a button to play them. All buttons I see are unlabelled. Has anyone cracked this? I bet some of you have :)

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Re: Braille contractions

2010-04-20 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Nic,

My husband, Archie, is responsible for the CeciMac Braille package. He would 
like to offer contracted Braille but there are two problems. First of all, he 
has no list of the contractions used in Danish Braille, and secondly, he has 
yet to find out how to prevent the Braille output routine from crashing when 
any contracted Braille other than American is introduced. Apple will not help 
in this matter, and Archie is not paid for this work and is currently 
struggling to make a living in these difficult economic times.

Cheers,

Anne

On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> So I got a braille display right here. And I've got the Ceci Braille package. 
> The braille table is set to Danish, and while the letters display correctly 
> now, it does not seem to work with contractions when they are turned on. I'm 
> a bit sad.
> 
> Is it possible to edit the package myself and somehow add it? Unless it's 
> just not using them, for whatever reason.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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Re: Interesting take on the iPad in Education

You can find out more about him at Chris.Pirillo.com. He's been around a 
while and hosts a tech broadcast on radio and a number of websites. Has 
about 80K followers on twitter and 40K readers on his primary site.


http://chris.pirillo.com/about/

As far as textbooks go, the cost of the pounds of bound paper is 
non-trivial for schools. Especially since they have to be 
updated/replaced every few years. It's a bit of a racket here in the 
states where a standard calculus text can run over $100. Doesn't take 
many of those bills to justify ebooks on ipads.


CB

Bryan Smart wrote:

Who is Chris Pirillo? I looked, but it just seems like he's another guy with a blog, where many 
of his posts are like "as blah blah reported, ".

The iPad isn't evitable in classrooms, because the cheapest one is $500. You'd 
need between $10,000 - $15,000 for a classroom of 20 - 30 kids. And that isn't 
counting maintenance/up-keep costs, because we all know how carefully kids 
won't handle expensive tablet computers. You can't both require it and put the 
cost on parents, since you aren't allowed to exclude people from education 
based on their income. So, the school would need to cover the cost. That's 
huge. Probably, $20,000 per classroom would be a good starting estimate.

The possibilities are cool, but it will need to be way more cheap for this to 
happen.

Bryan

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Subject: Interesting take on the iPad in Education

This is a video from Chris Pirillo, one of the major Tech Enthusiasts, and he discusses the possibility (or as he calls it, inevitability) of the iPad in the classroom. He also notes the reasons for lack of a camera on the device. 


Link: 
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Re: Apple to go with AMD next?

2010-04-20 Thread Shen

This is purely speculation on my part. As I'm sure it is on yours and others.
Remember, it's all about profit margin. Apple has no reason to switch
to AMD if their profit margin is lower or the same.
Perhaps Apple will consider AMD if they believe their profit margin
will be higher than continuing with Intel.
On the other hand, if Apple produces their own chips, the profit
margin will be even higher. Apple will be able to control the prices
more than before.
What's the profit margin at the moment for a 16GB iPad using Apple's
own processor?
And do you think the profit margin is the same if the iPad uses an
Intel Atom processor?
Keeping in mind how much Apple likes to guard its products and
maintain a level of secrecy. Apple can do that even more if they don't
have to depend on another company for processors.
Just speculating!






On 4/20/10, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:
> Shen, the cpu in the iPad has very little to do with apple choosing to
> switch to amd.
> The cpu in question is probably the product of a company that apple
> purchased a few years ago that makes high quality low power mobile
> processors. The reason why the info on the cpu is so vague is because
> apple don't want any other company to be able to use it.
>
> Just because a company is good at making mobile processors it doesn't
> mean that there good at making more standard ones.
>
> On 20/04/2010, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>> The article is heavy on speculation and light on specs. I'm sure Apple
>> is comparing roadmaps and price points to see if AMD has something
>> better to offer. Switching to AMD would be a non-trivial change and they
>> aren't going to do it unless AMD has something substantially better.
>> Can't hurt to hear their pitch but I wouldn't be jumping to any
>> conclusions.
>>
>> CB
>>
>> Rob Lambert wrote:
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>>>  http://chris.pirillo.com/is-apple-getting-into-bed-with-amd/ Tell me
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Re: Apple to go with AMD next?

2010-04-20 Thread Cody

AMD runs hot anyway and it would seriously decrease the quality also 
lifespan of apple computers. I've had AMD machines before and never ver 
liked them because of that fact. I could litterally burn myself on the first 
laptop I had back in 06 and also the Compaq I had which also ran extremely 
hot. I would hope for this reason alone that apple will not switch along 
with all the other finnancial reasons mentioned here. AMD is also kind of 
expensive anyway or it used to be. I haven't been in the market to build a 
machine of mine for some time now so I really wouldn't know.
- Original Message - 
From: "Shen" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: Apple to go with AMD next?


This is purely speculation on my part. As I'm sure it is on yours and 
others.

Remember, it's all about profit margin. Apple has no reason to switch
to AMD if their profit margin is lower or the same.
Perhaps Apple will consider AMD if they believe their profit margin
will be higher than continuing with Intel.
On the other hand, if Apple produces their own chips, the profit
margin will be even higher. Apple will be able to control the prices
more than before.
What's the profit margin at the moment for a 16GB iPad using Apple's
own processor?
And do you think the profit margin is the same if the iPad uses an
Intel Atom processor?
Keeping in mind how much Apple likes to guard its products and
maintain a level of secrecy. Apple can do that even more if they don't
have to depend on another company for processors.
Just speculating!






On 4/20/10, Ben Mustill-Rose  wrote:

Shen, the cpu in the iPad has very little to do with apple choosing to
switch to amd.
The cpu in question is probably the product of a company that apple
purchased a few years ago that makes high quality low power mobile
processors. The reason why the info on the cpu is so vague is because
apple don't want any other company to be able to use it.

Just because a company is good at making mobile processors it doesn't
mean that there good at making more standard ones.

On 20/04/2010, Chris Blouch  wrote:

The article is heavy on speculation and light on specs. I'm sure Apple
is comparing roadmaps and price points to see if AMD has something
better to offer. Switching to AMD would be a non-trivial change and they
aren't going to do it unless AMD has something substantially better.
Can't hurt to hear their pitch but I wouldn't be jumping to any
conclusions.

CB

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 http://chris.pirillo.com/is-apple-getting-into-bed-with-amd/ Tell me
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Mobileme - problem solved

Hi folks.
Suddenly, the hostile site became as friendly as ever and let me renew my 
mobileme account, so now i'm a full member of Mobileme for the first time. 
Thanks as always to the list for the good help i got.
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MobileMe 24/7 LiveChat Link for Problems Re: [was Mobileme - problem solved]


Hello Krister,

I'm glad to read your note that you could successfully renew your  
MobileMe account.  I was just about to post this link to the page  
announcing 24 hour/7 days a week Live Chat support (in English) for  
MobileMe problems.  You may want to note it down:


http://www.apple.com/mobileme/news/2009/04/live-chat-support-247.html
(Apr 27, 2009  Live Chat Support 24/7 for MobileMe)

The page gives a MobileMe support link at:

http://www.apple.com/support/mobileme/ww/

You first do a country selection at this page by actvating a link,  
then are taken to an FAQ page organized by categories of questions  
(e.g., Account & Billing, in your case).  When you select categories,  
there are usually some obvious suggestions and links, but also a "Chat  
Now" button, that will open another window for you to type in questions.


I haven't used this page, but I did use a similar feature that was set  
up when people had problems with the original transition to MobileMe  
at the time the first iPhone was introduced.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

Krister Ekstrom wrote:


Hi folks.
Suddenly, the hostile site became as friendly as ever and let me  
renew my mobileme account, so now i'm a full member of Mobileme for  
the first time. Thanks as always to the list for the good help i got.

/Krister



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Are Hp Photosmart printer/copier/scanners with Touch screens a no go?

Hi, i was out shopping for a printer today and found a Hp Photosmart with both 
printing, scanning and copying in it. Problem was that you had touch buttons 
all over the place. Has anyone had experiences with multi-function printers and 
the Mac and what should one choose? I want the lists opinions, please.
/Krister

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Re: Are Hp Photosmart printer/copier/scanners with Touch screens a no go?

I have a 3 in one printer, scans, copies and prints. it's an HP photosmart and 
I can't remember the code off the top of my head. there are physical buttons on 
the printer and I can print, not tried the photo print yet or scanning yet but 
printer works great.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 19:19, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi, i was out shopping for a printer today and found a Hp Photosmart with 
> both printing, scanning and copying in it. Problem was that you had touch 
> buttons all over the place. Has anyone had experiences with multi-function 
> printers and the Mac and what should one choose? I want the lists opinions, 
> please.
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Re: Braille contractions

Hi,

Ah, thanks a lot for the response.

I know the contracted braille, but unfortunately, I'll be unable to help if it 
crashes every time it excepts other braille output than American.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Nic,
> 
> My husband, Archie, is responsible for the CeciMac Braille package. He would 
> like to offer contracted Braille but there are two problems. First of all, he 
> has no list of the contractions used in Danish Braille, and secondly, he has 
> yet to find out how to prevent the Braille output routine from crashing when 
> any contracted Braille other than American is introduced. Apple will not help 
> in this matter, and Archie is not paid for this work and is currently 
> struggling to make a living in these difficult economic times.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> So I got a braille display right here. And I've got the Ceci Braille 
>> package. The braille table is set to Danish, and while the letters display 
>> correctly now, it does not seem to work with contractions when they are 
>> turned on. I'm a bit sad.
>> 
>> Is it possible to edit the package myself and somehow add it? Unless it's 
>> just not using them, for whatever reason.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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Re: Braille contractions

2010-04-20 Thread william lomas

the fact apple haven't done their own tables is bad, considering they support 
multilingual OS versions

On 20 Apr 2010, at 20:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Ah, thanks a lot for the response.
> 
> I know the contracted braille, but unfortunately, I'll be unable to help if 
> it crashes every time it excepts other braille output than American.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> Skype: Kvalme
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> AIM: cincinster
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> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
> 
>> Hello Nic,
>> 
>> My husband, Archie, is responsible for the CeciMac Braille package. He would 
>> like to offer contracted Braille but there are two problems. First of all, 
>> he has no list of the contractions used in Danish Braille, and secondly, he 
>> has yet to find out how to prevent the Braille output routine from crashing 
>> when any contracted Braille other than American is introduced. Apple will 
>> not help in this matter, and Archie is not paid for this work and is 
>> currently struggling to make a living in these difficult economic times.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> 
>>> So I got a braille display right here. And I've got the Ceci Braille 
>>> package. The braille table is set to Danish, and while the letters display 
>>> correctly now, it does not seem to work with contractions when they are 
>>> turned on. I'm a bit sad.
>>> 
>>> Is it possible to edit the package myself and somehow add it? Unless it's 
>>> just not using them, for whatever reason.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> Skype: Kvalme
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Re: Braille contractions

Hi,

I agree with that, to some extent. I think what is worse, however, is that even 
if you create your own braille tables, it will not accept their output. That 
kind of contradicts localization quite a bit. Of course, they don't have 
multilingual speech, either, but hopefully we'll see both of these so people 
don't have to spend time on at least the braille tables.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 9:20 PM, william lomas wrote:

> the fact apple haven't done their own tables is bad, considering they support 
> multilingual OS versions
> 
> On 20 Apr 2010, at 20:18, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Ah, thanks a lot for the response.
>> 
>> I know the contracted braille, but unfortunately, I'll be unable to help if 
>> it crashes every time it excepts other braille output than American.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:54 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Nic,
>>> 
>>> My husband, Archie, is responsible for the CeciMac Braille package. He 
>>> would like to offer contracted Braille but there are two problems. First of 
>>> all, he has no list of the contractions used in Danish Braille, and 
>>> secondly, he has yet to find out how to prevent the Braille output routine 
>>> from crashing when any contracted Braille other than American is 
>>> introduced. Apple will not help in this matter, and Archie is not paid for 
>>> this work and is currently struggling to make a living in these difficult 
>>> economic times.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:37 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys,
 
 So I got a braille display right here. And I've got the Ceci Braille 
 package. The braille table is set to Danish, and while the letters display 
 correctly now, it does not seem to work with contractions when they are 
 turned on. I'm a bit sad.
 
 Is it possible to edit the package myself and somehow add it? Unless it's 
 just not using them, for whatever reason.
 
 Regards,
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Re: messages appear twice in some cases in apple mail

2010-04-20 Thread Jonathan Cohn

Sometimes, this might just occur because of server issues.  There is a
period of time, between when a computer receiving your e-mail and a
computer sending your e-mail might not fully agree about if the e-mail
was sent.  Consider for example, if the computer receiving your e-mail
is working very hard, malware, SPAM filteging, or maintenance
activities.  In this case, it might take a long time by computer
standards, to acknowledge that the e-mail has been successfully saved
on the receiving side.  In some cases, the sending system will give up
and hold the message for another attempt.  You can determine if this
is happening by looking for the full headers item in the view menu,
and looking at the "Received:" headers.  Every mail system that
touched your e-mail will put a unique string called a messageId and a
date time stamp of when it received your message.  If all of the
received headers on the duplicate messages do not match, then it is
not your problem.

Best regards,

Jon

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> Hello yall. I have a bit of a problem. my apple mail is showing messages to
> me twice. I get the feeling my rules and all of them might have been
> corrupted. Is there any i can fix this with out having to redo all of my
> mail rules?
>
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>
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

2010-04-20 Thread Ricardo Walker

Hi,

When I tried to get the article, it said no file exist at the address 
On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

> Hi guys,
> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
> writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for you 
> all to read.
> 
> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the blind 
> in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but will read 
> on text edit and such on the mac.
> thanks
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Hi,
under the heading where it says IPad, there's a file in word format, vo-space 
on that. If you're still having problems, I'd be happy to email you my copy off 
list.
HtH

On 20 Apr 2010, at 20:33, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> When I tried to get the article, it said no file exist at the address 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
>> writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for 
>> you all to read.
>> 
>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the blind 
>> in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but will 
>> read on text edit and such on the mac.
>> thanks
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Hi,

I'm a bit confused here.

"It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it has 
to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a real 
bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this was not 
quite the case."

These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird definition 
of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it too confusing 
for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by default. And, by all 
rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a product not geared 
"specifically" towards blind people. That's the only thing I found kind of odd, 
but otherwise, pretty nice.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't think 
> they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the 
> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put 
> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of the 
> box that rNIB promotes readily?
> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree 
> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
> 
> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, this 
>> article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives of the 
>> product which is good. 
>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they made 
>> to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not that 
>> hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all of two 
>> seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
>>> writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for 
>>> you all to read.
>>> 
>>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the 
>>> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but 
>>> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
>>> thanks
>>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

2010-04-20 Thread olivia norman

I'm a bit confused here.  Voiceover can easily be turned on independently 
through iTunes, or by a sighted user using the settings menu.  How is this not 
easily accessible?  When I got my iPad an apple store employee simply turned on 
voiceover for me.  He knew exactly how to do it, and we also enabled the triple 
click home button option so that he could help me set up all my accounts 
quickly and we could toggle voiceover on and off when we needed to.  How is 
this not accessibility out of the box?
Olivia
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm a bit confused here.
> 
> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it has 
> to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a real 
> bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this was 
> not quite the case."
> 
> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird 
> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it too 
> confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by default. 
> And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a product not 
> geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only thing I found 
> kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't think 
>> they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the 
>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put 
>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of 
>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree 
>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, 
>>> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives 
>>> of the product which is good. 
>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they 
>>> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is 
>>> not that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires 
>>> all of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys,
 Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
 writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for 
 you all to read.
 
 It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the 
 blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but 
 will read on text edit and such on the mac.
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Speak It! app to use Infovox voices on the iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad


Hi All,

"Speak It!" is an app that lets you use the Acapela group's Infovox  
voices on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and supposedly also for the iPad,  
on text that you type or paste into the app, and create audio files  
with these voices that you can either play back or mail.  This is  
absolutely great, because you can control the speed and volume of the  
voices, and use voices that you may choose to purchase for other  
languages.  The basic app ($1.99) from Future Apps, Inc. comes with  
Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan (U.S.).  You can  
buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 each.  I've  
just finished downloading Alice (France) through the app (took about  
10 minutes to download and install).  There's a text entry area  (I  
copied and pasted what I wanted into it instead of typing it in), and  
a picker wheel at the bottom of the page to select the voice.


The screen when you start the app has two buttons at the top  
("Settings" at the left and an unlabeled button for info at the  
right), and three buttons at the bottom ("Speak It", "Actions", and an  
unlabeled button for saved items created as a result of using the  
"Actions" button). Below the top row of buttons is an area for text  
entry following the label: "Enter text to say" where you can either  
type in or paste in copied text. This is accessed in the usual way by  
double tapping in the text area to bring up the virtual keyboard.   
Below the text entry area and occupying the bottom section third or so  
of the screen is picker wheel labeled "Select Voice".


You'll likely want to double tap the "Settings" button at the top left  
of the screen to adjust the voice rate before you start speaking with  
the Speak It! voice. There are three settings options to adjust: Text  
font size (for low vision folks), Voice volume, and Voice rate.  Each  
control has both a button and a slider.  The button doesn't do  
anything except update to a number you can read off -- I think this is  
words per minute in the case of the rate.  When you make your  
adjustments flick left to get back from your settings to the "Done  
button" on the right edge (not quite at the top of the screen; maybe a  
fifth of the way down from the top of the screen in the vertical  
screen extent if you touch it directly) and double tap.


When you enter text, you have the option of either leaving the virtual  
keyboard up, and double tapping the "Speak It!" button, which has now  
moved up so it is just above the virtual keyboard and below the text  
entry area, at the left side of the center of the screen, or of first  
flicking right from the "Speak It!" button to the "Done" button at the  
right side of the center of the screen, and double tapping to dismiss  
the virtual keyboard.


The first mode is convenient when you want to review material  and  
continue to type in.  When you've finished entering text, you'll want  
to use the "Done" button to dismiss the virtual keyboard so you can  
also gain access to the "Actions" button for saving items, either as  
text or to create audio files, and to access the saved items (via the  
unlabeled button to the right of the "Actions" button) under either  
the list of  "Saved Phrases" or the "Saved Audio Files".  Double  
tapping one of the "Saved Audio Files"


To have Speak It! read the text, double tap the  "Speak It!" button at  
the bottom left.  Once you double tap that button, two buttons, the  
left for "Play/Pause" and the right for "Stop", will appear in the  
location of the "Speak It!" button.  You have to move your finger  
slightly to the left to double tap the "Play/Pause" button. Double  
tapping the "Stop" button causes the "Play/Pause" button to disappear,  
and for the area occupied by the "Play/Pause" button and "Stop" button  
to be replaced with the "Speak It!" button.


As mentioned before there are two unlabeled buttons: one at the top  
right and one at the bottom right corner for saved items.  The button  
at the top right, that you will use to purchase new in-app voices,  
takes you to an Info screen where there is a Help button at the top  
left that gives you information about trouble-shooting issues with  
Speak It!, and where the first listed button is the "Speak It! Store"  
button, which you can use to purchase additional voices. (The also  
have buttons further down the list for their other applications, but  
you probably don't want to leave the app to find out about these or  
buy them when you're first setting up Speak It!.)  The additional  
Acapela group voices currently available for this app are for (U.K. or  
U.S.) English, French (including a Canadian French voice), German,  
Spanish (including an American Spanish voice), and Italian.


Miscellaneous other comments:  Just after downloading the Alice French  
voice I found VoiceOver's behavior a bit sluggish. There are various  
suggestions on their FAQ (reached from "Help" button via the unla

Re: Speak It! app to use Infovox voices on the iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad

2010-04-20 Thread william lomas

shame can't use them as voiceover voices

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> "Speak It!" is an app that lets you use the Acapela group's Infovox voices on 
> the iPhone or iPod Touch, and supposedly also for the iPad, on text that you 
> type or paste into the app, and create audio files with these voices that you 
> can either play back or mail.  This is absolutely great, because you can 
> control the speed and volume of the voices, and use voices that you may 
> choose to purchase for other languages.  The basic app ($1.99) from Future 
> Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan 
> (U.S.).  You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 
> each.  I've just finished downloading Alice (France) through the app (took 
> about 10 minutes to download and install).  There's a text entry area  (I 
> copied and pasted what I wanted into it instead of typing it in), and a 
> picker wheel at the bottom of the page to select the voice.
> 
> The screen when you start the app has two buttons at the top ("Settings" at 
> the left and an unlabeled button for info at the right), and three buttons at 
> the bottom ("Speak It", "Actions", and an unlabeled button for saved items 
> created as a result of using the "Actions" button). Below the top row of 
> buttons is an area for text entry following the label: "Enter text to say" 
> where you can either type in or paste in copied text. This is accessed in the 
> usual way by double tapping in the text area to bring up the virtual 
> keyboard.  Below the text entry area and occupying the bottom section third 
> or so of the screen is picker wheel labeled "Select Voice".
> 
> You'll likely want to double tap the "Settings" button at the top left of the 
> screen to adjust the voice rate before you start speaking with the Speak It! 
> voice. There are three settings options to adjust: Text font size (for low 
> vision folks), Voice volume, and Voice rate.  Each control has both a button 
> and a slider.  The button doesn't do anything except update to a number you 
> can read off -- I think this is words per minute in the case of the rate.  
> When you make your adjustments flick left to get back from your settings to 
> the "Done button" on the right edge (not quite at the top of the screen; 
> maybe a fifth of the way down from the top of the screen in the vertical 
> screen extent if you touch it directly) and double tap.
> 
> When you enter text, you have the option of either leaving the virtual 
> keyboard up, and double tapping the "Speak It!" button, which has now moved 
> up so it is just above the virtual keyboard and below the text entry area, at 
> the left side of the center of the screen, or of first flicking right from 
> the "Speak It!" button to the "Done" button at the right side of the center 
> of the screen, and double tapping to dismiss the virtual keyboard.
> 
> The first mode is convenient when you want to review material  and continue 
> to type in.  When you've finished entering text, you'll want to use the 
> "Done" button to dismiss the virtual keyboard so you can also gain access to 
> the "Actions" button for saving items, either as text or to create audio 
> files, and to access the saved items (via the unlabeled button to the right 
> of the "Actions" button) under either the list of  "Saved Phrases" or the 
> "Saved Audio Files".  Double tapping one of the "Saved Audio Files"
> 
> To have Speak It! read the text, double tap the  "Speak It!" button at the 
> bottom left.  Once you double tap that button, two buttons, the left for 
> "Play/Pause" and the right for "Stop", will appear in the location of the 
> "Speak It!" button.  You have to move your finger slightly to the left to 
> double tap the "Play/Pause" button. Double tapping the "Stop" button causes 
> the "Play/Pause" button to disappear, and for the area occupied by the 
> "Play/Pause" button and "Stop" button to be replaced with the "Speak It!" 
> button.
> 
> As mentioned before there are two unlabeled buttons: one at the top right and 
> one at the bottom right corner for saved items.  The button at the top right, 
> that you will use to purchase new in-app voices, takes you to an Info screen 
> where there is a Help button at the top left that gives you information about 
> trouble-shooting issues with Speak It!, and where the first listed button is 
> the "Speak It! Store" button, which you can use to purchase additional 
> voices. (The also have buttons further down the list for their other 
> applications, but you probably don't want to leave the app to find out about 
> these or buy them when you're first setting up Speak It!.)  The additional 
> Acapela group voices currently available for this app are for (U.K. or U.S.) 
> English, French (including a Canadian French voice), German, Spanish 
> (including an American Spanish voice), and Italian.
> 
> Miscellaneous other comments:  Just after downloading t

Re: Speak It! app to use Infovox voices on the iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad

Thanks for this information Ester.

I have two questions.
1. Why are the mac voices so expensive compared to the extra voices on the 
IPhone/IPad? 
2. Other than it being able to read books what else do you think this app could 
be useful for?

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> "Speak It!" is an app that lets you use the Acapela group's Infovox voices on 
> the iPhone or iPod Touch, and supposedly also for the iPad, on text that you 
> type or paste into the app, and create audio files with these voices that you 
> can either play back or mail.  This is absolutely great, because you can 
> control the speed and volume of the voices, and use voices that you may 
> choose to purchase for other languages.  The basic app ($1.99) from Future 
> Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), and Ryan 
> (U.S.).  You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for $0.99 
> each.  I've just finished downloading Alice (France) through the app (took 
> about 10 minutes to download and install).  There's a text entry area  (I 
> copied and pasted what I wanted into it instead of typing it in), and a 
> picker wheel at the bottom of the page to select the voice.
> 
> The screen when you start the app has two buttons at the top ("Settings" at 
> the left and an unlabeled button for info at the right), and three buttons at 
> the bottom ("Speak It", "Actions", and an unlabeled button for saved items 
> created as a result of using the "Actions" button). Below the top row of 
> buttons is an area for text entry following the label: "Enter text to say" 
> where you can either type in or paste in copied text. This is accessed in the 
> usual way by double tapping in the text area to bring up the virtual 
> keyboard.  Below the text entry area and occupying the bottom section third 
> or so of the screen is picker wheel labeled "Select Voice".
> 
> You'll likely want to double tap the "Settings" button at the top left of the 
> screen to adjust the voice rate before you start speaking with the Speak It! 
> voice. There are three settings options to adjust: Text font size (for low 
> vision folks), Voice volume, and Voice rate.  Each control has both a button 
> and a slider.  The button doesn't do anything except update to a number you 
> can read off -- I think this is words per minute in the case of the rate.  
> When you make your adjustments flick left to get back from your settings to 
> the "Done button" on the right edge (not quite at the top of the screen; 
> maybe a fifth of the way down from the top of the screen in the vertical 
> screen extent if you touch it directly) and double tap.
> 
> When you enter text, you have the option of either leaving the virtual 
> keyboard up, and double tapping the "Speak It!" button, which has now moved 
> up so it is just above the virtual keyboard and below the text entry area, at 
> the left side of the center of the screen, or of first flicking right from 
> the "Speak It!" button to the "Done" button at the right side of the center 
> of the screen, and double tapping to dismiss the virtual keyboard.
> 
> The first mode is convenient when you want to review material  and continue 
> to type in.  When you've finished entering text, you'll want to use the 
> "Done" button to dismiss the virtual keyboard so you can also gain access to 
> the "Actions" button for saving items, either as text or to create audio 
> files, and to access the saved items (via the unlabeled button to the right 
> of the "Actions" button) under either the list of  "Saved Phrases" or the 
> "Saved Audio Files".  Double tapping one of the "Saved Audio Files"
> 
> To have Speak It! read the text, double tap the  "Speak It!" button at the 
> bottom left.  Once you double tap that button, two buttons, the left for 
> "Play/Pause" and the right for "Stop", will appear in the location of the 
> "Speak It!" button.  You have to move your finger slightly to the left to 
> double tap the "Play/Pause" button. Double tapping the "Stop" button causes 
> the "Play/Pause" button to disappear, and for the area occupied by the 
> "Play/Pause" button and "Stop" button to be replaced with the "Speak It!" 
> button.
> 
> As mentioned before there are two unlabeled buttons: one at the top right and 
> one at the bottom right corner for saved items.  The button at the top right, 
> that you will use to purchase new in-app voices, takes you to an Info screen 
> where there is a Help button at the top left that gives you information about 
> trouble-shooting issues with Speak It!, and where the first listed button is 
> the "Speak It! Store" button, which you can use to purchase additional 
> voices. (The also have buttons further down the list for their other 
> applications, but you probably don't want to leave the app to find out about 
> these or buy them when you're first setting up Speak It!.)  The additional 
> Acapela group voices currently available for this app are for

Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Exactly what I think Olivia. 

Clearly they are struggling to find issues with it and so resorted to one issue 
they deemed potentially off putting. 
It's 100 times more accessible out of the box than nokia phones or windows 
computers.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:28, olivia norman wrote:

> I'm a bit confused here.  Voiceover can easily be turned on independently 
> through iTunes, or by a sighted user using the settings menu.  How is this 
> not easily accessible?  When I got my iPad an apple store employee simply 
> turned on voiceover for me.  He knew exactly how to do it, and we also 
> enabled the triple click home button option so that he could help me set up 
> all my accounts quickly and we could toggle voiceover on and off when we 
> needed to.  How is this not accessibility out of the box?
> Olivia
> "Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower",  Steve Jobs
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm a bit confused here.
>> 
>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it 
>> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a 
>> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this 
>> was not quite the case."
>> 
>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird 
>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it 
>> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by 
>> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a 
>> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only 
>> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't think 
>>> they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the 
>>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put 
>>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of 
>>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree 
>>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, 
 this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives 
 of the product which is good. 
 The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they 
 made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is 
 not that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires 
 all of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
 
 John 
 
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
> Hi guys,
> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
> writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for 
> you all to read.
> 
> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the 
> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but 
> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
> thanks
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx
> 
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RE: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

2010-04-20 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick

Hi,

Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying to
get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop, if
no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.

Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make any
sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
make.

Cheers,

Dónal
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Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Hi,

I'm a bit confused here.

"It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a
real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this
was not quite the case."

These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.

Regards,
Nic
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Skype: Kvalme
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On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
the box that rNIB promotes readily?
> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
> 
> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
of the product which is good. 
>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not
that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>> 
>> John 
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys,
>>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for
you all to read.
>>> 
>>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
will read on text edit and such on the mac.
>>> thanks
>>>
http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
news_reports.aspx
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

yes Nick, agreed. Until I get my hands on one, the weight question is something 
I can't comment on. The low vision stuff I can't either. But as an initial 
review its not too scathing and yet not too promoting either.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm a bit confused here.
> 
> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it has 
> to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a real 
> bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this was 
> not quite the case."
> 
> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird 
> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it too 
> confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by default. 
> And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a product not 
> geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only thing I found 
> kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't think 
>> they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the 
>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put 
>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of 
>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree 
>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, 
>>> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives 
>>> of the product which is good. 
>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they 
>>> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is 
>>> not that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires 
>>> all of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys,
 Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
 writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for 
 you all to read.
 
 It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the 
 blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but 
 will read on text edit and such on the mac.
 thanks
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Sadly, I don't think that was the point. Knowing the organisation, they 
probably don't even know that happens with macs as they are quite quiet when it 
comes to anything that is not strictly "blind specific".

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:39, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying to
> get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop, if
> no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
> this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.
> 
> Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make any
> sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
> make.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
> Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a bit confused here.
> 
> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a
> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this
> was not quite the case."
> 
> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> Skype: Kvalme
> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
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> Facebook Profile
> My Twitter
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
> of the product which is good. 
>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not
> that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
> of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys,
 Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for
> you all to read.
 
 It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
 thanks
 
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
> news_reports.aspx
 
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RE: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

2010-04-20 Thread Dónal Fitzpatrick

  Should I mention the "Really Not Interested in Blind"
interpretation of their acronym?  Oops I just have, sorry...

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Sadly, I don't think that was the point. Knowing the organisation, they
probably don't even know that happens with macs as they are quite quiet when
it comes to anything that is not strictly "blind specific".

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:39, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying
to
> get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop,
if
> no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
> this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.
> 
> Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make
any
> sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
> make.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
> Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a bit confused here.
> 
> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been
a
> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately,
this
> was not quite the case."
> 
> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
> Skype: Kvalme
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> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
> of the product which is good. 
>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is
not
> that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
> of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys,
 Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is
for
> you all to read.
 
 It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
 thanks
 
>
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> news_reports.aspx
 
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Re: Speak It! app to use Infovox voices on the iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad


Hi Marie,

The Mac voices are more expensive than the extra voices for the iPhone/ 
iPad because the iPhone/iPad voices are only being used for text to  
speech.  What makes it expensive to get a good voice that will work  
with a Screen Reader is the extra configurability that will let this  
operate in absolutely every system application and in all  
environments.  When I use an Infovox voice on my Mac, I can do all  
sorts of spell checking, position marking in reading books and  
documention, edit the pronunciation tables, etc.  The difference  
between using one of the Infovox voices and a less expensive voice  
from Cepstral, for example, is that my VoiceOver won't crash when I  
use all these functions.  In fact, Assistiveware does sell cheaper  
versions of its voices as "convenienceware" text to speech in the form  
of its GhostReader product.  List price for GhostReader for one  
country is $39.99, I think.  GhostReader uses compressed versions of  
the InfoVox voices and only uses them for text to speech for Web  
browsing, email and reading documents.  It's not designed for the  
visually impaired, but at only $10 more when you buy an Infovox voice  
in a bundle, I think it's worth it.  The question is, do you want to  
use a voice just for text to speech without VoiceOver control?  Also,  
these voices are less expensive than you might think once you more  
than one package.  I think the French voices cost me $49.99.  You can  
also use them on multiple machines, or get a household license for  
using them.  Even GhostReader has multi-language bundles that cost less.


I'm mostly interested in reading books and articles, but also in  
different language translation.  This is why I really want the  
language rotor, because it's a pain to have to change the voice to  
read in another language.


The way I'm using this app right now is through the SimpleNote  
application.  I can either type or paste directly into SimpleNote by  
opening Notational Velocity on my desktop and pasting in there.  (Both  
SimpleNote and Notational Velocity are great, free products).  Then, I  
use the rotor to copy the documents and paste to Speak It!  I think  
that Read 2 Me, with current upload support from Google documents may  
be worth looking at again. Before, the issues for Read 2 Me were  
stability and the inability to adjust the voice rate, plus a really  
clunky way of getting the documents loaded.


I'll repeat again that Speak It! also has other advantages for low  
vision users, in being able to store the documents or notes in much  
larger font sizes than they can use in other apps.


Just a few thoughts.

Cheers,

Esther

marie Howarth wrote:


Thanks for this information Ester.

I have two questions.
1. Why are the mac voices so expensive compared to the extra voices  
on the IPhone/IPad?
2. Other than it being able to read books what else do you think  
this app could be useful for?


On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:


Hi All,

"Speak It!" is an app that lets you use the Acapela group's Infovox  
voices on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and supposedly also for the  
iPad, on text that you type or paste into the app, and create audio  
files with these voices that you can either play back or mail.   
This is absolutely great, because you can control the speed and  
volume of the voices, and use voices that you may choose to  
purchase for other languages.  The basic app ($1.99) from Future  
Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.),  
and Ryan (U.S.).  You can buy additional voices through in-app  
purchase for $0.99 each.  I've just finished downloading Alice  
(France) through the app (took about 10 minutes to download and  
install).  There's a text entry area  (I copied and pasted what I  
wanted into it instead of typing it in), and a picker wheel at the  
bottom of the page to select the voice.


The screen when you start the app has two buttons at the top  
("Settings" at the left and an unlabeled button for info at the  
right), and three buttons at the bottom ("Speak It", "Actions", and  
an unlabeled button for saved items created as a result of using  
the "Actions" button). Below the top row of buttons is an area for  
text entry following the label: "Enter text to say" where you can  
either type in or paste in copied text. This is accessed in the  
usual way by double tapping in the text area to bring up the  
virtual keyboard.  Below the text entry area and occupying the  
bottom section third or so of the screen is picker wheel labeled  
"Select Voice".


You'll likely want to double tap the "Settings" button at the top  
left of the screen to adjust the voice rate before you start  
speaking with the Speak It! voice. There are three settings options  
to adjust: Text font size (for low vision folks), Voice volume, and  
Voice rate.  Each control has both a button and a slider.  The  
button doesn't do anything except update to a number you can read  
off -

Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

hahaha glad someone else spotted that.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:49, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

>   Should I mention the "Really Not Interested in Blind"
> interpretation of their acronym?  Oops I just have, sorry...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of marie Howarth
> Sent: 20 April 2010 21:46
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
> 
> Sadly, I don't think that was the point. Knowing the organisation, they
> probably don't even know that happens with macs as they are quite quiet when
> it comes to anything that is not strictly "blind specific".
> 
> On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:39, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying
> to
>> get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop,
> if
>> no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
>> this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.
>> 
>> Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make
> any
>> sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
>> make.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
>> Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm a bit confused here.
>> 
>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
>> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been
> a
>> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately,
> this
>> was not quite the case."
>> 
>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
>> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
>> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
>> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
>> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
>> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
>> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
>> of the product which is good. 
 The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
>> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is
> not
>> that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
>> of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
 
 John 
 
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
> Hi guys,
> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
>> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is
> for
>> you all to read.
> 
> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
>> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
>> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
> thanks
> 
>> 
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
>> news_reports.aspx
> 
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Re: Speak It! app to use Infovox voices on the iPhone/iPod Touch and iPad

Thanks for this Ester. You helped me understand the app a lot more and I can 
see how it may be useful to some.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:56, Esther wrote:

> Hi Marie,
> 
> The Mac voices are more expensive than the extra voices for the iPhone/iPad 
> because the iPhone/iPad voices are only being used for text to speech.  What 
> makes it expensive to get a good voice that will work with a Screen Reader is 
> the extra configurability that will let this operate in absolutely every 
> system application and in all environments.  When I use an Infovox voice on 
> my Mac, I can do all sorts of spell checking, position marking in reading 
> books and documention, edit the pronunciation tables, etc.  The difference 
> between using one of the Infovox voices and a less expensive voice from 
> Cepstral, for example, is that my VoiceOver won't crash when I use all these 
> functions.  In fact, Assistiveware does sell cheaper versions of its voices 
> as "convenienceware" text to speech in the form of its GhostReader product.  
> List price for GhostReader for one country is $39.99, I think.  GhostReader 
> uses compressed versions of the InfoVox voices and only uses them for text to 
> speech for Web browsing, email and reading documents.  It's not designed for 
> the visually impaired, but at only $10 more when you buy an Infovox voice in 
> a bundle, I think it's worth it.  The question is, do you want to use a voice 
> just for text to speech without VoiceOver control?  Also, these voices are 
> less expensive than you might think once you more than one package.  I think 
> the French voices cost me $49.99.  You can also use them on multiple 
> machines, or get a household license for using them.  Even GhostReader has 
> multi-language bundles that cost less.
> 
> I'm mostly interested in reading books and articles, but also in different 
> language translation.  This is why I really want the language rotor, because 
> it's a pain to have to change the voice to read in another language.
> 
> The way I'm using this app right now is through the SimpleNote application.  
> I can either type or paste directly into SimpleNote by opening Notational 
> Velocity on my desktop and pasting in there.  (Both SimpleNote and Notational 
> Velocity are great, free products).  Then, I use the rotor to copy the 
> documents and paste to Speak It!  I think that Read 2 Me, with current upload 
> support from Google documents may be worth looking at again. Before, the 
> issues for Read 2 Me were stability and the inability to adjust the voice 
> rate, plus a really clunky way of getting the documents loaded.
> 
> I'll repeat again that Speak It! also has other advantages for low vision 
> users, in being able to store the documents or notes in much larger font 
> sizes than they can use in other apps.
> 
> Just a few thoughts.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> Thanks for this information Ester.
>> 
>> I have two questions.
>> 1. Why are the mac voices so expensive compared to the extra voices on the 
>> IPhone/IPad?
>> 2. Other than it being able to read books what else do you think this app 
>> could be useful for?
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:29, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> "Speak It!" is an app that lets you use the Acapela group's Infovox voices 
>>> on the iPhone or iPod Touch, and supposedly also for the iPad, on text that 
>>> you type or paste into the app, and create audio files with these voices 
>>> that you can either play back or mail.  This is absolutely great, because 
>>> you can control the speed and volume of the voices, and use voices that you 
>>> may choose to purchase for other languages.  The basic app ($1.99) from 
>>> Future Apps, Inc. comes with Heather (U.S.), Graham (U.K.), Lucy (U.K.), 
>>> and Ryan (U.S.).  You can buy additional voices through in-app purchase for 
>>> $0.99 each.  I've just finished downloading Alice (France) through the app 
>>> (took about 10 minutes to download and install).  There's a text entry area 
>>>  (I copied and pasted what I wanted into it instead of typing it in), and a 
>>> picker wheel at the bottom of the page to select the voice.
>>> 
>>> The screen when you start the app has two buttons at the top ("Settings" at 
>>> the left and an unlabeled button for info at the right), and three buttons 
>>> at the bottom ("Speak It", "Actions", and an unlabeled button for saved 
>>> items created as a result of using the "Actions" button). Below the top row 
>>> of buttons is an area for text entry following the label: "Enter text to 
>>> say" where you can either type in or paste in copied text. This is accessed 
>>> in the usual way by double tapping in the text area to bring up the virtual 
>>> keyboard.  Below the text entry area and occupying the bottom section third 
>>> or so of the screen is picker wheel labeled "Select Voice".
>>> 
>>> You'll likely want to double tap the "Settings" button at the top left of 
>>> the screen to adjust t

Re: malwear and macs

OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates 
from Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small 
market share and most malware developers will move on to easier/broader 
targets (Windows). That said, an even bigger target is the web which, by 
design, is cross platform. So if you're one of those deviant types 
interested in trying to break into a system, your time might be better 
spent doing cross site scripting or Acrobat exploits than OS-specific 
hackery. It also happens that people like to type in credit card numbers 
and shop over the web, which doesn't happen much in desktop apps or the 
OS. So this makes the web a juicy target for those of nefarious intents.


CB

Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:

No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.

Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.

On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer  wrote:
  

That is not the reason for it being hard to get a virus on a Mac. The new OS
of windows does the same thing. The reason it is hard to get this stuff on a
Mac is that for now there is no one writing the stuff for the Mac. Because
it is not a big enough market. Now it becoming more and more popular this
might change.



Sign,
Joe Plummer ( JP )
joeplum...@tds.net

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of tim
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 3:45 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: malwear and macs

I would't worry about it to much, because the mac will ask you if you want
to install and tell you what is installing.
That is why it is hard to get a virus on a mac now.
On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:34 PM, marie Howarth wrote:



someone just retweeted something about malwear now being able to take over
  

macs. If this is true, how does everyone think we should protect our macs? I
know norton and such programmes are available, but I hated them when I was
on the windows side. One of the reasons I came to the mac was because the
lack of viruses. Do those of you among us with more knowledge than I possess
on this matter think this is a real threat and what would you do about it?


I'm a pretty frightful mac user right now.

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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Hi Marie, Nic, and Others,

I'd like to point out that the earlier iPad podcast review by Shelly
and the RNIB article seemed mostly done by low vision users. Although
weight is a factor (1.5 pounds), may I remind list members that a
totally blind person does not have to worry about holding the iPad at
an angle so that they can "view" the screen? Maybe Olivia or Josh
could comment on that. It's absolutely true that with the curved back
you want some kind of case or support when you use your iPad. If
you're in the Apple Store, they have these little display stands for
playing with the device. If you pick the iPad and put it down on the
table, it's less wieldy to hold and operate the controls, but simply
having a good case (in the new designs manufacturers are coming out
with) might address the issue of supporting the device. Just some
thoughts here from someone who has (briefly) held and used the iPad in
an Apple Store.

Cheers,

Esther

marie Howarth wrote:

yes Nick, agreed. Until I get my hands on one, the weight question
is something I can't comment on. The low vision stuff I can't
either. But as an initial review its not too scathing and yet not
too promoting either.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

Hi,

I'm a bit confused here.

"It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default,
meaning it has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and
"It would have been a real bonus had the iPad been accessible out
of the box. Unfortunately, this was not quite the case."

These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a
weird definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product.
That'd make it too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if
VoiceOver was on by default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on
by default, as it is a product not geared "specifically" towards
blind people. That's the only thing I found kind of odd, but
otherwise, pretty nice.

Regards,
Nic
Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
Skype: Kvalme
MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
AIM: cincinster
yahoo Messenger: cin368
Facebook Profile
My Twitter

On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I
don't think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that
point of the accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I
think that could put users off entirely and let's see, how many
products are accessible out of the box that rNIB promotes readily?
I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or
disagree with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first
impressions.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:

Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most
part, this article was fair. They seem to point out both
positives and negatives of the product which is good.
The only area where I have some problems with the article, is
that they made to big of a deal about activating voiceover
through Itunes. This is not that hard since it is accessible on
both mac and windows, and requires all of two seconds to do.
Other than that, it's pretty good.

John

On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:

Hi guys,
Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss.
I will be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly.
But here it is for you all to read.

It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity
for the blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its
in word format but will read on text edit and such on the mac.

thanks
http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx

Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

I see why you would say this about the article, the low vision users aspect at 
least. Although they do say a low vision and a blind user. Seems to me the 
blind user didn't have much to comment on.

On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:05, Esther wrote:

> Hi Marie, Nic, and Others,
> 
> I'd like to point out that the earlier iPad podcast review by Shelly and the 
> RNIB article seemed mostly done by low vision users.  Although weight is a 
> factor (1.5 pounds), may I remind list members that a totally blind person 
> does not have to worry about holding the iPad at an angle so that they can 
> "view" the screen?  Maybe Olivia or Josh could comment on that.  It's 
> absolutely true that with the curved back you want some kind of case or 
> support when you use your iPad.  If you're in the Apple Store, they have 
> these little display stands for playing with the device.  If you pick the 
> iPad and put it down on the table, it's less wieldy to hold and operate the 
> controls, but simply having a good case (in the new designs manufacturers are 
> coming out with) might address the issue of supporting the device.  Just some 
> thoughts here from someone who has (briefly) held and used the iPad in an 
> Apple Store.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> yes Nick, agreed. Until I get my hands on one, the weight question is 
>> something I can't comment on. The low vision stuff I can't either. But as an 
>> initial review its not too scathing and yet not too promoting either.
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 21:19, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm a bit confused here.
>>> 
>>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it 
>>> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a 
>>> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, 
>>> this was not quite the case."
>>> 
>>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird 
>>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it 
>>> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by 
>>> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a 
>>> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only 
>>> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>>> Facebook Profile
>>> My Twitter
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
 I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't 
 think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the 
 accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put 
 users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of 
 the box that rNIB promotes readily?
 I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree 
 with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
 
 On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
 
> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, 
> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and 
> negatives of the product which is good.
> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they 
> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is 
> not that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and 
> requires all of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good.
> 
> John
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will 
>> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is 
>> for you all to read.
>> 
>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the 
>> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format 
>> but will read on text edit and such on the mac.
>> thanks
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: malwear and macs

2010-04-20 Thread James & Nash

Nothing - even UNIX is invulnerable. and as Chris has said, the web is the big 
and future target. Perhaps the most dangerous application/opening on a computer 
is the system's web browser.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:02, Chris Blouch wrote:

> OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates from 
> Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small market share 
> and most malware developers will move on to easier/broader targets (Windows). 
> That said, an even bigger target is the web which, by design, is cross 
> platform. So if you're one of those deviant types interested in trying to 
> break into a system, your time might be better spent doing cross site 
> scripting or Acrobat exploits than OS-specific hackery. It also happens that 
> people like to type in credit card numbers and shop over the web, which 
> doesn't happen much in desktop apps or the OS. So this makes the web a juicy 
> target for those of nefarious intents.
> 
> CB
> 
> Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>> No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.
>> 
>> Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
>> that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.
>> 
>> On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer 
>> 
>>  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> That is not the reason for it being hard to get a virus on a Mac. The new OS
>>> of windows does the same thing. The reason it is hard to get this stuff on a
>>> Mac is that for now there is no one writing the stuff for the Mac. Because
>>> it is not a big enough market. Now it becoming more and more popular this
>>> might change.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sign,
>>> Joe Plummer ( JP )
>>> 
>>> joeplum...@tds.net
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> I would't worry about it to much, because the mac will ask you if you want
>>> to install and tell you what is installing.
>>> That is why it is hard to get a virus on a mac now.
>>> On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:34 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 someone just retweeted something about malwear now being able to take over
   
 
>>> macs. If this is true, how does everyone think we should protect our macs? I
>>> know norton and such programmes are available, but I hated them when I was
>>> on the windows side. One of the reasons I came to the mac was because the
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>>> on this matter think this is a real threat and what would you do about it?
>>> 
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

2010-04-20 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello Nic,

Yes, it was a pretty good article for the RNIB, but I had the same reaction as 
you did about it being a pity it wasn't accessible out of the box. They just 
can't admit that Apple has really got it right!

Cheers,

Anne


On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I'm a bit confused here.
> 
> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it has 
> to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a real 
> bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this was 
> not quite the case."
> 
> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird 
> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it too 
> confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by default. 
> And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a product not 
> geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only thing I found 
> kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't think 
>> they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the 
>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put 
>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of 
>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree 
>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, 
>>> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives 
>>> of the product which is good. 
>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they 
>>> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is 
>>> not that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires 
>>> all of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys,
 Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
 writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for 
 you all to read.
 
 It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the 
 blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but 
 will read on text edit and such on the mac.
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

2010-04-20 Thread Pete Nalda

FWIW, they didn't talk about getting content (books) much, but I did like the 
fact they mentioned pinch to zoom, which iirc works even with voiceover turned 
on, thus allowing for zooming in text apps, along with VO.  Again I might be 
wrong on using pinch to zoom with vo but pinch to zoom is really handy when you 
don't need the whole os magnified.

On Apr 20, 2010, at 4:30 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Nic,
> 
> Yes, it was a pretty good article for the RNIB, but I had the same reaction 
> as you did about it being a pity it wasn't accessible out of the box. They 
> just can't admit that Apple has really got it right!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm a bit confused here.
>> 
>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it 
>> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a 
>> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this 
>> was not quite the case."
>> 
>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird 
>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it 
>> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by 
>> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a 
>> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only 
>> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't think 
>>> they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the 
>>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put 
>>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of 
>>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree 
>>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, 
 this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives 
 of the product which is good. 
 The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they 
 made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is 
 not that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires 
 all of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
 
 John 
 
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
> Hi guys,
> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
> writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for 
> you all to read.
> 
> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the 
> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but 
> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
> thanks
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx
> 
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Hi,

Vo doesn't kick in. You have to activate that as well when turning on any Mac. 
Which is the point.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying to
> get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop, if
> no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
> this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.
> 
> Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make any
> sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
> make.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dónal
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
> Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm a bit confused here.
> 
> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a
> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this
> was not quite the case."
> 
> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>> 
>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
> of the product which is good. 
>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not
> that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
> of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>>> 
>>> John 
>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys,
 Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for
> you all to read.
 
 It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
 thanks
 
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

2010-04-20 Thread Ricardo Walker

Hello,

I don't think turning on VO the way the iPhone/iPod touch/iPad is a great 
struggle for most the way it's currently configured but, I do think Apple 
should allow Voiceover to be turned on via the voice control.  I wouldn't think 
this would be very difficult to implement.  There are some people who will buy 
these devices and will being using iTunes for the first time.  iTunes can be a 
pain when first learning it, especially on the windows side.  Having VO turned 
on by using the voice control would ease this a bit. 
On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Vo doesn't kick in. You have to activate that as well when turning on any 
> Mac. Which is the point.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying to
>> get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop, if
>> no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
>> this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.
>> 
>> Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make any
>> sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
>> make.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
>> Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm a bit confused here.
>> 
>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
>> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a
>> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this
>> was not quite the case."
>> 
>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
>> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
>> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
>> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
>> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
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>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
>> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
>> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
>> of the product which is good. 
 The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
>> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not
>> that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
>> of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
 
 John 
 
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
> Hi guys,
> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
>> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for
>> you all to read.
> 
> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
>> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
>> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
> thanks
> 
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
>> news_reports.aspx
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Hi,

I'm just a bit sad about the fact they seem to dismiss that it is a mainstream 
product, and thus, nothing will actually be turned on.

The thing I love about Apple, is that Apple does not presume to know what the 
end-user wants. This is the benefit. You can customize everything to your 
liking, including accessibility settings. The fact that VoiceOver, or any 
accessibility setting is not on by default is good, in that it promotes the 
undeniable point it is mainstream, and usable by everyone who decides to use 
it, regardless of their disability or lack thereof

Technically, it is a product catering to people with disabilities as well as 
people who are not impaired in any way. IF that is not the definition of 
"universal access", I do not know what is. Really, though, I'd be really 
interested to hear why blindness organizations consider products, even those 
that are certainly mainstream products, to have an accessibility feature turned 
on just because the device possesses this functionality. I'll probably never 
understand it.

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On Apr 20, 2010, at 11:30 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:

> Hello Nic,
> 
> Yes, it was a pretty good article for the RNIB, but I had the same reaction 
> as you did about it being a pity it wasn't accessible out of the box. They 
> just can't admit that Apple has really got it right!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm a bit confused here.
>> 
>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it 
>> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a 
>> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this 
>> was not quite the case."
>> 
>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird 
>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it 
>> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by 
>> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a 
>> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only 
>> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't think 
>>> they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the 
>>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put 
>>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of 
>>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree 
>>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, 
 this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives 
 of the product which is good. 
 The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they 
 made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is 
 not that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires 
 all of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
 
 John 
 
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
> Hi guys,
> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will be 
> writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for 
> you all to read.
> 
> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the 
> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but 
> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
> thanks
> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_news_reports.aspx
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

Hi,

I can see that as a possibility. Expanding voice control would definitely be a 
good idea, especially because the speech will confirm what you just said.

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On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I don't think turning on VO the way the iPhone/iPod touch/iPad is a great 
> struggle for most the way it's currently configured but, I do think Apple 
> should allow Voiceover to be turned on via the voice control.  I wouldn't 
> think this would be very difficult to implement.  There are some people who 
> will buy these devices and will being using iTunes for the first time.  
> iTunes can be a pain when first learning it, especially on the windows side.  
> Having VO turned on by using the voice control would ease this a bit. 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Vo doesn't kick in. You have to activate that as well when turning on any 
>> Mac. Which is the point.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
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>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying to
>>> get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop, if
>>> no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
>>> this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.
>>> 
>>> Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make any
>>> sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
>>> make.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
>>> Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm a bit confused here.
>>> 
>>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
>>> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a
>>> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this
>>> was not quite the case."
>>> 
>>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
>>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
>>> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
>>> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
>>> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
>>> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
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>>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
 I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
>>> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
>>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
>>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
>>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
 I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
>>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
 
 On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
 
> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
>>> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
>>> of the product which is good. 
> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
>>> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not
>>> that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
>>> of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
> 
> John 
> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
> 
>> Hi guys,
>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
>>> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for
>>> you all to read.
>> 
>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
>>> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
>>> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
>> thanks
>> 
>>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
>>> news_reports.aspx
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Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad

2010-04-20 Thread James & Nash

And surely, this is the point. Apple does not tout Accessibility in their 
products as being a huge deal because their philosophy can be summed up in two 
words "universal access", meaning that accessibility is an integral part of any 
of their products.

TC
James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
On 20 Apr 2010, at 23:20, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Vo doesn't kick in. You have to activate that as well when turning on any 
> Mac. Which is the point.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
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> Skype: Kvalme
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> 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying to
>> get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop, if
>> no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
>> this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.
>> 
>> Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make any
>> sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
>> make.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Dónal
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Nicolai Svendsen
>> Sent: 20 April 2010 21:20
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I'm a bit confused here.
>> 
>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
>> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a
>> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this
>> was not quite the case."
>> 
>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
>> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
>> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
>> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
>> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> AIM: cincinster
>> yahoo Messenger: cin368
>> Facebook Profile
>> My Twitter
>> 
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>> 
>>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
>> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>>> 
>>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
>> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
>> of the product which is good. 
 The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
>> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not
>> that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
>> of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
 
 John 
 
 On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
> Hi guys,
> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
>> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for
>> you all to read.
> 
> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
>> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
>> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
> thanks
> 
>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
>> news_reports.aspx
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Re: malwear and macs

thought you guys maybe interested in this article.
http://technology.globalthoughtz.com/index.php/a-potential-backdoor-malware-for-mac-identified007/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+globalthoughtzHome+(Global+Thoughtz)

On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:27, James & Nash wrote:

> Nothing - even UNIX is invulnerable. and as Chris has said, the web is the 
> big and future target. Perhaps the most dangerous application/opening on a 
> computer is the system's web browser.
> 
> TC
> James, Lyn, Nash & Twinny
> On 20 Apr 2010, at 22:02, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> OSX being Unix doesn't make it impervious, as recent security updates from 
>> Apple attest to, but it does make it harder. Throw in the small market share 
>> and most malware developers will move on to easier/broader targets 
>> (Windows). That said, an even bigger target is the web which, by design, is 
>> cross platform. So if you're one of those deviant types interested in trying 
>> to break into a system, your time might be better spent doing cross site 
>> scripting or Acrobat exploits than OS-specific hackery. It also happens that 
>> people like to type in credit card numbers and shop over the web, which 
>> doesn't happen much in desktop apps or the OS. So this makes the web a juicy 
>> target for those of nefarious intents.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> Ben Mustill-Rose wrote:
>>> No, the real reason why it's hard is because osx = unix.
>>> 
>>> Did the tweet include a link? It might be helpfull to include this so
>>> that we can see what the tweeter was going on about.
>>> 
>>> On 19/04/2010, Joe Plummer 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 That is not the reason for it being hard to get a virus on a Mac. The new 
 OS
 of windows does the same thing. The reason it is hard to get this stuff on 
 a
 Mac is that for now there is no one writing the stuff for the Mac. Because
 it is not a big enough market. Now it becoming more and more popular this
 might change.
 
 
 
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 Joe Plummer ( JP )
 
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 Subject: Re: malwear and macs
 
 I would't worry about it to much, because the mac will ask you if you want
 to install and tell you what is installing.
 That is why it is hard to get a virus on a mac now.
 On Apr 16, 2010, at 1:34 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
 
 
 
> someone just retweeted something about malwear now being able to take over
> 
> 
 macs. If this is true, how does everyone think we should protect our macs? 
 I
 know norton and such programmes are available, but I hated them when I was
 on the windows side. One of the reasons I came to the mac was because the
 lack of viruses. Do those of you among us with more knowledge than I 
 possess
 on this matter think this is a real threat and what would you do about it?
 
 
> I'm a pretty frightful mac user right now.
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for moderator: someone needs aproval

2010-04-20 Thread William Windels

Hello,
A friend of me asks for approval since a long time on this list.
Who is responsible for this?
His adres is:
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thanx for your help

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