Hi,

I can see that as a possibility. Expanding voice control would definitely be a 
good idea, especially because the speech will confirm what you just said.

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On Apr 21, 2010, at 12:28 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I don't think turning on VO the way the iPhone/iPod touch/iPad is a great 
> struggle for most the way it's currently configured but, I do think Apple 
> should allow Voiceover to be turned on via the voice control.  I wouldn't 
> think this would be very difficult to implement.  There are some people who 
> will buy these devices and will being using iTunes for the first time.  
> iTunes can be a pain when first learning it, especially on the windows side.  
> Having VO turned on by using the voice control would ease this a bit. 
> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:20 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Vo doesn't kick in. You have to activate that as well when turning on any 
>> Mac. Which is the point.
>> 
>> Regards,
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>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 10:39 PM, Dónal Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Nick while I agree with you entirely, I think the point they were trying to
>>> get across is this.  When one turns on any kind of mac desktop or laptop, if
>>> no interaction takes place for a specific time VO kicks in.  I think that
>>> this might be the kind of thing they wanted to happen with the iPad.
>>> 
>>> Of course I could be entirely wrong, and to be honest this doesn't make any
>>> sense, but my feeling is that this is the point the article was trying to
>>> make.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Dónal
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>>> Subject: Re: Article from the RNIB about the IPad
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I'm a bit confused here.
>>> 
>>> "It is just a shame that VoiceOver is switched off by default, meaning it
>>> has to be activated before the iPad can be used." and "It would have been a
>>> real bonus had the iPad been accessible out of the box.  Unfortunately, this
>>> was not quite the case."
>>> 
>>> These views are kind of strange and puzzling to me. It seems a weird
>>> definition of "out of the box". It's a mainstream product. That'd make it
>>> too confusing for a sighted user using the iPad if VoiceOver was on by
>>> default. And, by all rights, it shouldn't be on by default, as it is a
>>> product not geared "specifically" towards blind people. That's the only
>>> thing I found kind of odd, but otherwise, pretty nice.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
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>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 6:46 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I would agree with you John. as a total VI user of an IPhone, I don't
>>> think they praised the screen reader enough. And its that point of the
>>> accessibility out of the box that has wound me up. I think that could put
>>> users off entirely and let's see, how many products are accessible out of
>>> the box that rNIB promotes readily?
>>>> I'll post a link to my blog I'm writing for you guys to agree or disagree
>>> with me but on the whole, I think its a fair first impressions.
>>>> 
>>>> On 20 Apr 2010, at 17:33, John J Herzog wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part,
>>> this article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives
>>> of the product which is good. 
>>>>> The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they
>>> made to big of a deal about activating voiceover through Itunes. This is not
>>> that hard since it is accessible on both mac and windows, and requires all
>>> of two seconds to do. Other than that, it's pretty good. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> John 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 12:18 PM, marie Howarth wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>> Thought I'd put this article out there for everyone to discuss. I will
>>> be writing a blog on my opinions of this article shortly. But here it is for
>>> you all to read.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> It's an article done by the RNIB which is the national charity for the
>>> blind in the UK. You need to download the article, its in word format but
>>> will read on text edit and such on the mac.
>>>>>> thanks
>>>>>> 
>>> http://www.rnib.org.uk/livingwithsightloss/computersphones/Pages/technology_
>>> news_reports.aspx
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