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Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in price >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *could* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> video >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the hassle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> british >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL testing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VGA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke. 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