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Re: OT CPU Advice (Seb Ward) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Re: OT CPU Advice (Chris Coulson) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. Re: OT CPU Advice (Rob Beard) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. Re: OT CPU Advice (gav) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. Re: OT CPU Advice (Darren Mansell) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 14:05:04 +0100 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Seb Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/573bffc7/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 13:52:42 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> format=flowed; >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delsp=yes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:11:46 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 01:52:42PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm currently running an Athlon X2 3800+ and that seems >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (I did have a Phenom X4 9600 but it died over the weekend >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Athlon X2 was the only thing I had which could chuck in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> board). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> could also recommend the Pentium Dual Core chips as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pretty quick (I had one before upgrading to the Phenom, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sitting in my wife's PC). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Reverse the polarity of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> communications >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> circuit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/5e3cc570/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Chris Coulson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> URL: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/edf17f68/attachment-0001.htm >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:43:17 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Coulson wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah that was it. TBH, there's not much difference in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> price >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some of the Foxconn boards and other boards from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MSI/Gigabite/ASUS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 16:46:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gav wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've not really found a massive multi-core chip to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modern >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux desktop, recently I've moved over to an Atom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> processor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> desktop, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this board: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/147222 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Works beautifully under Ubuntu and Debian for me and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> runs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with an 80W power supply, rather than the hundreds of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Watts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> big >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rig >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machines use. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess it depends on what you use your machine for. I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *could* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of all 4 cores on the Phenom but not very often, juging by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor the majority of the time most of the cores were sat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1.2GHz and it was only specific things I did that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actually >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more than two cores. I do however sometimes tax the system >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think an Atom would meet my needs. If I didn't play HD >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> video >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other half's PC then an Atom would probably do her. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 7 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 19:10:54 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "gav" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 04:46:54PM +0000, Rob Beard wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm considering an Atom Dual Core for my server (it's >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> running >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Athlon 1400) although I'm not sure what to do after >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-atom-efficiency,2069.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Atom seems to work fine for DVD playback, if that helps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the video side of things, I use an external USB DVD on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've no interest in BluRay yet so I can't tell you how it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handles >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From that review, it looks like the chipset it holding the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4W >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the processor but 22W for the chipset seems backwards. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chipset is well supported under Linux, especially the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hassle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> free, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> driver 3D support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gav Ford >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://revford.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think we need to: Repair the kettle flow >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Name: not available >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Type: application/pgp-signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size: 197 bytes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Desc: Digital signature >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Url : >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/attachments/20081201/182e8b0c/attachment-0001.pgp >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 22:50:11 +0000 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Darren Mansell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT CPU Advice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: British Ubuntu Talk <ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 14:21:15 +0000, "Chris Coulson" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2008/12/1 Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1 Dec 2008, at 10:24, Darren Mansell wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I sold my EEE PC about 10 months ago and for (almost) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > built >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > a very respectable rig with bits from ebuyer. My spec >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > was: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Decent Abit mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > AMD Athlon X2 4200+ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2GB Corsair standard stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 2 x 250GB Samsung SATA HDD's (in Linux software MD RAID >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 0, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > rocks) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > dual layer DVD-+RW >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 19" wide HannsG monitor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Good quality case from eBay with decent PSU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > It was a grand total of about ?300 but I had to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > sure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > got >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > good >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > components. Most important is the PSU as Rob says. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > always >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > liked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Abit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > motherboards. Foxconn are actually pretty good from my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > experience. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > They >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > used to make Intel's own brand boards, not sure if they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > still >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > do. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > The disk speed makes this computer feel very fast. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I heard bad things about Foxconn boards and Linux a while >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ago, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember if it was posted here. I'm just a bit dubious >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You're probably referring to this: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=869249 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Very interesting. Back in my R+D days for a used-to-be well >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> british >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PC manufacturer I had to do a lot with Windows WHQL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHQL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Windows >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hardware Quality Labs) is basically Microsoft paying >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manufacturers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to break support for Linux or any other OS. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are test suites called the HCT tests. The mainboard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VGA >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> card >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> BIOS, optical firmwares etc all had to be bodged to work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft would give you kickbacks via the MDP (market >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> program) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if your stuff was all WHQL certified. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course every system integrator is then under pressure to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of hardware in their PC's WHQL certified and in turn put >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pressure >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware manufacturers to alter the BIOS/firmware to make >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows HCT. As money talks they have no time left to look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Linux >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's all just another way Microsoft have to make Linux look >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cheap >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joke. 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