On Fri, 2003-08-15 at 15:16, John Rudd wrote: > On Friday, Aug 15, 2003, at 00:44 US/Pacific, Yorkshire Dave wrote: > > I totally disagree with the innocent victim bit. Sure they're innocent > > until they find out, but as soon as they become aware they're on a > > spamhaven ISP their next payment makes them a willing spam supporter > > not > > an innocent victim. > > And by that time it's too late. They've already signed a multi-year > commitment. SPEWS is just bullying them because they're associated > with a spammer, even though they're not spammers themselves. SPEWS is > attacking the connectivity of these non-spammers with the goal of > forcing them to change their associations and/or try to bully them into > taking on their associates. As I posted in another message, it's the > same pattern used by terrorists in how they seek to force political > changes. > That's what's wrong with half the world today. Someone once asked me, what would I do if I was in that situation, long contract to recalcitrant spews listee.
I'd stop paying the spamlover and start paying my lawyer instead. Can I get out without being liable for the full amount, can I hit them with any charges at all, how long can I make it last in court, how can I make it so they don't get any of my money. Then I'd get off my ass and sell the story about how this big spamloving isp doesn't care about real businesses in america, how they use american businesses as human shields while their buddies carry on their sick trade in narcotics and porn. > > Please also consider that your client is paying money to a company to > > buy bandwidth from them. The more people like your client that company > > takes on board the more quantity they can buy their connectivity in, > > and > > the more connectivity they can sell to spammers. Your client is > > knowingly subsidising the crap that ends up in my inbox, that's just > > plain wrong too! > > And you pay taxes to a country that is participating in international > organizations whose agenda ends up degrading foreign cultures and > bombing foreign houses. Even if you're against it, you're supporting > it. So, does that make it ok for agents of those foreign groups to > blow up your buildings? > > No. I pay as little as I can in taxes, by donating every spare penny to charity and when I see the country doing things bad with my money I go a long way out of my way to stop them. How can I be for it if I'm prepared to take direct action to stop it? Until someone gets arrested and locked up for taking direct action to pressurise their ISP to do the right thing, don't even make the comparison. You have no idea what you're talking about and you're using the wrong analogy with the wrong guy. > What SPEWS is doing is of the same category. They're deliberately > taking actions that they know affect "citizens" and not just "nations". Yes they are affecting citizens, but they're treating the citizens in exactly the same way as those citizens ISP is treating the whole world. Ever heard the expression the good of the many outweigh the good of the few? When the few keep voluntarily handing over money for the privilege of staying part of that few then they become a willing volunteer human shield. In any case it's not the same, nobody ever died from a SPEWS listing, we're talking about stopping an area of internet sending mail, not carpetbombing the neighbourhood where the ISP's office is located. > And you're defending that type of logic. no, you're attempting to distort the straightforward logic of voting with your feet with some bogus analogy to war. A better fitting analogy is easily found, just think of SPEWS as a consumer boycott, like the ones that helped bring about the end of apartheid in south africa. Citizens suffered from those too, but you won't find many still complaining. -- Yorkshire Dave -- Scanned by MailScanner at wot.no-ip.com ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
