On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 07:02:45PM -0500, Thomas Cameron wrote: > Good luck. SPEWS completely sucks - I have a client in a very similar > situation, and my requests on news.admin.net-abuse.email only got me called > all kinds of nasty names. The gist of the responses I got was "If you do > business with an ISP that allows spam, allowed spam, or had anything to do > in any way, shape or form with a spammer, then screw you - you've gotten > what you deserve." >
While I have no doubt that you got called all sorts of nasty names on n.a.n.e, your characterization of how SPEWS operates is completely inaccurate and I suspect deliberately disingenous. SPEWS is NOT a list of spammers. It is a partial and flexible list of address space assigned to ISP's who support spammers. SPEWS initially lists the IP addresses used by spammers. If their complaints to the ISP go unanswered, then, over time, those listings expand. If an ISP is particularly unresponsive or is actively hosting a great number of spammers, that listing will eventually expand to cover the entire ISP. The punitive nature of this listing seems to be deliberate (although no one who is SPEWS has ever admitted to it or really described how exactly they operate). In my experience, once an ISP boots ALL of their spammers, they quickly get delisted. This doesn't sound like it would be particularly challenging for the the ISP, but some seem to be slow learners. It does rather suck for the non-spamming customers of the ISP's who are actively assisting in network abuse. However, for the rest of the Internet it works very well and is the only active tool that is forcing ISP's to stop taking spammer money. As long as it continues to work, I'm happy to support SPEWS. Lesser measures have failed to be effective. -- Alan ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 _______________________________________________ Spamassassin-talk mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/spamassassin-talk
