At 01:44 PM 8/14/2003 -0700, Doug Roberts wrote:
Hi all -

We just set up shop at a co-lo, started firing off mails to customers that requested to download our product (a spamassassin-based filter, ironically) and discovered that we are the proud owners of part of a class C that has been blocked because the previous owners were spammers. We were politely alerted to this fact by the Manager of the Outblaze Postmaster and Abuse Desk (thanks Suresh!), and he cleared the block on his end promptly.

A short investigation shows us on the Spamhaus block list, and SPEWS (http://www.spews.org/html/S1725.html, who seemed to indicate in their FAQ that I should plead my case you this community). We've contacted our ISP (he.net), but is there anything else I should be doing, or is this an ISP thing?

Well *THIS* community isn't really the place to plead your case about spews mis-listings. The proper place, per their faq, is <news:news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting>news.admin.net-abuse.blocklisting and <news:news.admin.net-abuse.email>news.admin.net-abuse.email . This list is about spamassassin.



As for SpamAssassin's use of spews derived lists, well, you can read on the development lists that spews is likely to be disabled by default in future versions of spamassassin.


To quote Justin Mason:
"yeah, saw that.  So far it appears the GA has decided we won't be using SPEWS
anyway in 2.60 -- RCVD_IN_OSIRU_SPAM_SRC is getting 0 or 0.001 scores from the
GA runs due to false positives."

(located in http://bugzilla.spamassassin.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1152 )

Despite all the arguments from some that spews is actually useful to SA, the GA proves otherwise.

It's been my opinion for a very long time that although spews has a place in the world, it does not belong in spamassassin. This opinion of mine stems from the fact that some of their policies are clearly contrary to some of the core principles behind spamassassin. (SpamAssassin is GAed on the premise that 1 false positive is as bad as 100 false negatives. Spews is based on the premise of listing everyone hosted by a spam friendly ISP, without regard for if that individual customer is a spammer or not.)

It's good to see that the divergent policies is leading to divergent paths for SA and spews. The two are attempting to achieve the same end goal, but the differences in philosophy of how to get to that goal are so different that they really don't belong together.











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