Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 22:06 -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Jan van Bekkum > wrote: > I find it quite hard to find existing proposals, > perhaps because there are so many abandoned ones. > * A list of active votes can be found at

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Jan van Bekkum wrote: > > I find it quite hard to find existing proposals, perhaps because there >> are so many abandoned ones. >> > - A list of active votes can be found at Category:Proposed features "Voting"

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

In exchange for a positive vote I am more than happy to share the links :-) - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_supply%3Dintermittent - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking%3Dcar_storage - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

"http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property"; I think that it is perfectly OK to map (for example) private buildings not visible from any public place (I posted it also on wiki). 2015-03-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: > http:

Re: [Tagging] route=foot

Huh. And here in Australia (well, at least amongst the people I know) the difference between a "hike" and any other form of walking is strictly whether it's more than one day. A daywalk is, well, a day or less, and a hike is two or more days. But that doesn't cause me any concerns using "route=hik

Re: [Tagging] paving_stones:n

The whole idea of including a size for paving stones seems overkill to me. Although in places like Germany and Austria where they're running out of things to map, it might be more attractive. On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Please retag indeed! > > paving_stones:size=20cm

Re: [Tagging] paving_stones:n

Please retag indeed! paving_stones:size=20cm Is a much better method for this kind of insane micromapping. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] tagging very wide steps - highway=steps on an area?

Using the relation, I've added step area to the Sydney Opera House .. it is a very wide area .. http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4645750 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dWyIdmBCSgM/S4N0sVrvg1I/BuM/Y-b1wCmXbps/s1600-h/DSCN7848.JPG Are there any examples of a non rectangular large area

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 13:35 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote: Jan, for a non English speaker, you put it very well ! I agree with what you have said except, perhaps dropping the voting altogether. Voting does focus the group and as it has a formal finish date, might (just might) encourage closure. Bu

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Another aspect we need consider is accuracy ? Has the mapper knocked on the door and said "I'm here to inspect your toilet" ? Outside, we can see the traditional "outhouse", but we have no reason to consider it functional. Inner cities here used to have lanes used by the "dunny cart man" who too

Re: [Tagging] Mapping busways with alternating physical separation

I assume there is no opposition to either method then. Most tram systems are mapped as individual ways (usually in parallel pairs), even when they share space with cars and have no physical separation. I'm not really acquainted with tramway mapping (they're very rare in Brazil), but I tried to sam

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-03-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > >> Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property >> > > > This seems to be written with a certain cultural, legal and politi

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 13:36 -0700, jgpacker wrote: >We should try to look for other systems, such as Loomio [1] The current approach is, perhaps a touch clunky but its stable and predictable as a service. Mailing lists and wikis have been around for a long time. There are almost identical service

Re: [Tagging] Tagging accepted payments at each toll lane

2015-03-03 19:20 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > Because there is no widespread or useful tagging scheme for tagging each > lane as separate way? typically there are physically separated ways at the toll booth area, so mapping them individually is within the common standards, and there are exam

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property > This seems to be written with a certain cultural, legal and political background. E.g. there are even people questioning the concept of pri

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

John Willis wrote on 2015-03-03 22:46: On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: 2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis mailto:jo...@mac.com>>: Now I'm wondering if there is tags for "boys" & "girls" as well. Off to the wiki... yes, there are a

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

> On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > > 2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis : >> Now I'm wondering if there is tags for "boys" & "girls" as well. Off to the >> wiki... > > yes, there are already tags for this: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:female > htt

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property > > I'm not sure this fully captures the complexity though.  We want building > outlines and perhaps private swimming pools as landuse indicator

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

It may be a bit off-topic, but as I have expressed elsewhere, I think one of the problems with the current voting process is the infrastructure. I believe that using a mailing list plus wiki voting worked ok so far, but needs to be updated. Most young people probably don't even know what a mailing

Re: [Tagging] Tagging accepted payments at each toll lane

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > Because there is no widespread or useful tagging scheme for tagging each > lane as separate way? > And because it would result in a hopeless and pointless clutter? > > 2015-03-03 19:07 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > >> By the time you get to

[Tagging] paving_stones:n

Wiki ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface ) lists paving_stones:30 and paving_stones:20 as good values for key surface, defined as "Square paving stones with 30cm/20cm sides". I think it is a really bad idea, there is a really wide variety of sizes of paving stones and cobblestones, s

Re: [Tagging] Tagging accepted payments at each toll lane

On 2015-03-03 17:02, Jake Wasserman wrote : > I'm trying to capture the accepted payment for each lane at a toll > booth. I haven't been able to find any other examples of this and I'm > hoping for some pointers here. > > One thought is to use the ":lanes" suffix in conjunction with "payment:*" > >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging accepted payments at each toll lane

Because there is no widespread or useful tagging scheme for tagging each lane as separate way? And because it would result in a hopeless and pointless clutter? 2015-03-03 19:07 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > By the time you get to that level of tagging, > why not micro map each lane? > > ___

Re: [Tagging] Tagging accepted payments at each toll lane

By the time you get to that level of tagging, why not micro map each lane? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Jan van Bekkum wrote: > In summary I doubt if the proposed changes will bring an improvement, but > I wonder if we need voting at all, or only the preceding discussion. > The voting hurdle tends to force the discussion. That's the value of the vote. The proposed

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Often each hotel room or RV hookup has a water tap, toilet and shower specific to that site. I feel that mapping those goes too far. But that if they are micromapped, the access tag must be used to distinguish them from something a map readers can expect to use. ___

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property I'm not sure this fully captures the complexity though. We want building outlines and perhaps private swimming pools as landuse indicators. OSM does indeed catalog objects available only to

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jan van Bekkum wrote: > I don't think it is good to leave tags in a "floating state" for a long > time as it will prevent people from starting to use them. It isn't good > either to start using a tag as a kind of prototype and offer it for voting > later on. One wa

[Tagging] Tagging accepted payments at each toll lane

I'm trying to capture the accepted payment for each lane at a toll booth. I haven't been able to find any other examples of this and I'm hoping for some pointers here. One thought is to use the ":lanes" suffix in conjunction with "payment:*" So for this toll: http://www.mapillary.com/map/im/o9KwF

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > Now I'm wondering if there is tags for "boys" & "girls" as well. Off to > the wiki... yes, there are already tags for this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:female https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:male https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 16:52 GMT+01:00 AYTOUN RALPH : > The amenity=toilet is an existing tag for public access amenity and is > rendered on the map. > As toilets do not sit out in the open (except in some continental places > where it is just a modesty wall) but are rather housed in a structure of > some kin

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

I believe there is room for tagging both the amenity and the private toilet where this is deemed a positive study point. The amenity=toilet is an existing tag for public access amenity and is rendered on the map. As toilets do not sit out in the open (except in some continental places where it is j

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

I would remove such objects where I am surveying. In that case I contacted author of tag with information that amenity=toilets is defined as public toilet. 2015-03-03 16:00 GMT+01:00 John F. Eldredge : > However, since someone apparently HAS been mapping private toilets, we > need to either dec

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

"It isn't good either to start using a tag as a kind of prototype and offer it for voting later on." Why not? In one case I had an idea for tag that turned out to be poor one. Testing it by using saved producing proposal that maybe would seem reasonable but would have many problems. 2015-03-03 1

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

To be clear: I contacted DERMAM but I am not expecting reply, account is inactive since 6 months. 2015-03-03 16:09 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > I would remove such objects where I am surveying. In that case I

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

However, since someone apparently HAS been mapping private toilets, we need to either decide to remove them, or decide how they should be tagged to distinguish them from toilets available to the general public. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

If those toilets are private, why do they state if women can use them? Isn't that a private matter up to the owner of the toilette? 2015-03-03 15:04 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring : > On 03/03/2015 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote: > >> >> On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, "Bryce Nesbitt" >> >

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On 03/03/2015 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote: On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, "Bryce Nesbitt" mailto:bry...@obviously.com>> wrote: > I'm opening a discussion about at least mechanically re-tagging operator:type=private > into "access=no" or "access=private", so that rendering software can choose to omi

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Mar 2, 2015 7:59 PM, "Bryce Nesbitt" wrote: > 3) We already have "access=private", a well established tag. The question is which private things should be excluded from > rendered maps (e.g. toilets), and which ones should show (e.g. buildings). Why not use a faded icon or a red icon for toi

Re: [Tagging] Wiki vote threshold

At this moment I have three proposals the comment stage (campsite classification, vehicle storage, camping electricity supply) with a very simple purpose: to fill holes in the mapping possibilities for overlanders (people travelling for a long time with their own transport often through developing

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, "Bryce Nesbitt" wrote: > I'm opening a discussion about at least mechanically re-tagging operator:type=private > into "access=no" or "access=private", so that rendering software can choose to omit these locations depending on the map purpose. I'm supportive of this chan

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

> On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > 2015-03-03 10:31 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : >> The same can be said for public buildings like the White House, or the halls >> of congress. > > typically those places have different kind of toilets, some thought for > visitors or a m

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 11:17 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > a traveler will ... be expected to...hide behind a bush. > btw.: if there are certain places which for spatial configuration and other factors are ideal for "hiding behind a bush" and you can e.g. smell or see that they are used for this purpose, woul

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:20 AM, David Bannon wrote: > Yes, I guess so. I hate the idea of removing data but honestly, this > data has no place there. Could be quite a task. Is this something that > can be done by approaching the taggers ? I'm assuming there are only a > small set of them ? I've

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 01:52 -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: > Do people agree with a purge or retag of home toilets that can be > mechanically identified? Yes, I guess so. I hate the idea of removing data but honestly, this data has no place there. Could be quite a task. Is this something that can be

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I would agree, but I cannot imagine how to identify mechanically (i.e. > without knowing the place) which toilets are private home toilets. > A fair number of these were collected using tags like "watsan:toilet_owner=private", and th

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 10:52 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > Do people agree with a purge or retag of home toilets that can be > mechanically identified? I would agree, but I cannot imagine how to identify mechanically (i.e. without knowing the place) which toilets are private home toilets. cheers, Martin ___

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

Toilet in the OSM sense refers to the area where the activity can take place. It's generally tagged on a room or a building. A five star hotel lobby toilet or an outhouse shanty get the same tag, as long as they are open (under give access= rules) for the purpose of elimination. The newish toilet

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 10:31 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt : > The same can be said for public buildings like the White House, or the > halls of congress. typically those places have different kind of toilets, some thought for visitors or a more general audience, others with more private character. Can also be

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

What are those toilets? Are they little shacks like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pit_latrines_in_Briqueterie_-_des_latrines_%C3%A1_fosses_%C3%A0_la_Briqueterie,_Yaounde_%283447843124%29.jpg If so, then maybe building=toilet could be the best fit. I've been looking at tags from th

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-03 4:10 GMT+01:00 David Bannon : > I see a problem here, some parts of the world refer to 'toilet' as > meaning only that part you sit on > we shouldn't imply that there is any part to sit on in order to be a toilet. There are lots of toilets with no part to sit on even in the "civil

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2015-03-02 21:01 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > >> "access=no or access=private do not seem to make much sense" >> Toilet may be open only to to a limited public - in military base, only >> for employees or out of order. > > > > IMHO

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

2015-03-02 21:01 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny : > "access=no or access=private do not seem to make much sense" > Toilet may be open only to to a limited public - in military base, only > for employees or out of order. IMHO this doesn't qualify as "open to public" and the tag amenity=toilets shou

Re: [Tagging] Mapping private home toilets

> On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:10 PM, David Bannon wrote: > > On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 10:44 +0900, John Willis wrote: >> There are all kinds of buildings we map that are completely private (houses, >> for example), yet are visible from publicly accessible places. >> > OK, so perhaps we need to tag onl