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> [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John at Rivendell
> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:14 AM
> To: RBW Owners Bunch
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
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> The goo
5, 2009 6:14 AM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Re: Things you love about RBW and things that make you groan
The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a
lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on
orders over $150, while requiring no alle
on 4/15/09 6:13 AM, John at Rivendell at j...@rivbike.com wrote:
> The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a
> lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on
> orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret
> handshake. No blood oat
Now that's cool! I love the fairing
Maybe the customers of RBW buy into the lifestyle thing more that RBW
prompts it...but that's a big maybe. I think RBW is as much about
image as a company like Rapha. Both sell some nice stuff, both sell
some bad stuff, both have good things to say and both
Quoting John at Rivendell :
>
> The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a
> lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on
> orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret
> handshake. No blood oath.
And, you don't actually have to
Probably already touched on in this remarkable thread, but Riv's
stepping up for the 650b side of things has certainly made my bleriot-
infused life more fulfilling and comfortable.
And on the "lifestyle" issue, I would offer a small quibble, John, and
suggest that some of Riv's (sage) advice can
PS: And we never forget that we wouldn't be around without the support
of a lot of really nice people. We are always very appreciative of
that.
All the best,
John at RBW
On Apr 15, 6:13 am, John at Rivendell wrote:
> The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a
> lifesty
The good news is we don't have a philosophy, and we don't espouse a
lifestyle. Membership gets you a 5% rebate, and free shipping on
orders over $150, while requiring no allegiance. There is no secret
handshake. No blood oath. Its a totally loan wolf deal.
Cheers,
John at RBW
On Apr 14, 6:01
This is the only Lone Wolf cyclist I'm aware of:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_wb8bAl1P-N0/Scd_PFqVkpI/Go0/OmfzWsq8zUw/s1600-h/lonewolf.jpg
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 6:01 PM, usuk2007 wrote:
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> I "groan" at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike
> company. I like some of the bik
I "groan" at the lifestyle/philosophy part. RBW is only a bike
company. I like some of the bikes, I like some of the stuff they sell,
I like some of the approach they espouse. The libertarian in me reacts
against going with everything and joining the RBW club entirely. Which
reminds me of a story
Rivendell is a fascinating company to me, on many levels. The "groans" (to
me) are actually what I love most about them. I bought their wool penant and
have it on my office wall...only because I loved the product description
"all time worst seller." I thought the Bombadil double top tubes were
prep
I'm interested in the amount of comment my original question has
provoked. From all that I can learn from reading and sales
interactions RBW seems like a good company. I like their bikes (I have
3), but nothing is perfect and all great things are worthy of
criticism and that should be encouraged t
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 11:50 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> And it's pronounced "bow SAHHHJ" despite what its inventor says!
It definitely does not rhyme with "sausage"
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Grant's personal bikes are the epitomy of beausage.
http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/bicycle_models#product=50-998
Hopefully the link will work and take you to the picture of Grant's
AHH. That bike looks so perfect.
Also check this old shot of his Saluki. Be sure to scroll down to the
bottom
Since we're now giving weather reports, ride reports and in some cases
telling other list members what they should and shouldn't be doing, perhaps
this is a good time to start a new topic with appropriate subject info and
let this one whither.
- Jim / minimalistically list-admining, as this week
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Bill Connell wrote:
>
> 65 and sunny in Minnesota ALL WEEK. Don't be surprised if we're very
> very quiet on the list this week (outside of work hours anyway).
I second that (especially the outside of work hours pat)! Rode my bike to
work today for the first tim
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Bill Connell wrote:
>
> 65 and sunny in Minnesota ALL WEEK. Don't be surprised if we're very
> very quiet on the list this week (outside of work hours anyway).
I second that (especially the outside of work hours pat)! Rode my bike to
work today for the first tim
It's nice and mostly sunny here, and I've already put in 18 miles* (thanks
to leaving my keys at the PO and having to double back to retrieve them).
And I anticipate 11 1/2 miles home, *with* a tailwind!
* That included torking 45 lbs -- a PB -- (yep, weighed the two Jannd
Packers) up a very, very
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 3:27 PM, wrote:
> Damn, is it raining everywhere? Is that why you guys ain't riding?
> Wet in Kentucky,
65 and sunny in Minnesota ALL WEEK. Don't be surprised if we're very
very quiet on the list this week (outside of work hours anyway).
--
Bill Connell
St. Paul, MN
Damn, is it raining everywhere? Is that why you guys ain't riding?
Wet in Kentucky,
Bill
In a message dated 4/14/2009 2:56:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com writes:
Please stop the groaning. It's embarrassing, it's bugging Grant, and
it serves no purpose.
Quoting PATRICK MOORE :
> Oh lighten up, alla youse!
>
> Patrick "damn well gonna groan when I want to groan" Moore
>
It's my party and I'll
Groan if I want to
Moan if I want to
And you'd groan too
If it happened to you
: ___
: / . . \
:I I
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Oh lighten up, alla youse!
Patrick "damn well gonna groan when I want to groan" Moore
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Atlantean <
softlysoftlycatcheemon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Please stop the groaning. It's embarrassing, it's bugging Grant, and
> it serves no purpose.
>
>
>
> On Apr 14, 11:5
Please stop the groaning. It's embarrassing, it's bugging Grant, and
it serves no purpose.
On Apr 14, 11:51 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> And all that confusion over the absence of one letter.
>
> Patrick Moore, whose life is neither preachy nor peachy.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:58 A
And all that confusion over the absence of one letter.
Patrick Moore, whose life is neither preachy nor peachy.
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Brad wrote:
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> Patrick,
>
> I'm not sure where you got sermon from my post, I said "peachy" not
> "preachy". :)
>
> Brad
>
> On Apr 14, 6:26 am, PAT
And it's pronounced "bow SAHHHJ" despite what its inventor says!
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 9:16 AM, Shaun Meehan wrote:
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>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS wrote:
>
>>
>> Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What
>> is "beausage"?
>> George Strickler
>
>
> I
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Shaun Meehan wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS wrote:
>>
>> Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What
>> is "beausage"?
>> George Strickler
>
>
> It's Grant's concept of "beauty through usage". The idea that the s
Patrick,
I'm not sure where you got sermon from my post, I said "peachy" not
"preachy". :)
Brad
On Apr 14, 6:26 am, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Brad wrote:
>
> > I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to "Groan" about
> > Rivendell. Sure, nothing and
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:08 AM, GeorgeS wrote:
>
> Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What
> is "beausage"?
> George Strickler
It's Grant's concept of "beauty through usage". The idea that the small
nicks and scratches in your bike's paint and the natural wear on
Ok. I can't stand being culturally out of the loop any longer. What
is "beausage"?
George Strickler
On Apr 13, 8:40 am, Bill Connell wrote:
> Love: Grant's cycling philosophy and writing style, his willingness to
> put new ideas into the stream, and the general wackiness like the
> ongoing 'e'
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Brad wrote:
>
> I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to "Groan" about
> Rivendell. Sure, nothing and nobody is perfect but what is the point
> of this really? If you have the time and energy to complain about a
> company so desperately trying to d
hardly groan-worthy.
Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI
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To: RBW Owners Bunch
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>Groan: That an unintended consequence of Riv philosophy is groups of
>people who are entirely too equipment-centric.
Been a part of bicycle culture for many decades before Riv even
existed, currently has dozens of totally non-Riv related (Campy only
anyone?) counterparts. And, more to my point
Love: That GP and friends forward a "bike as you are" philosophy
Groan: That an unintended consequence of Riv philosophy is groups of
people who are entirely too equipment-centric.
Bob
On Apr 11, 10:34 pm, usuk2007 wrote:
> Things I love
>
> Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy
Speaking of Cyclofiend, hopefully this is where he steps in and stops this
wildly off-track thread.
Gino
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Esteban wrote:
>
> What I love II: I think Grant's response is pitch-perfect. I'm a
> college professor, and I spill my guts into teaching - probably too
>
Grant's most recent posting is what I love to read. That's what I meant
when I said "a blog." Personal thoughts on the business, industry,
customers, etc. The "Progress Report" sections of the Reader were always my
favorite to read.
This is selfish on my part, as it's pretty clear that it cause
What I love II: I think Grant's response is pitch-perfect. I'm a
college professor, and I spill my guts into teaching - probably too
much, if I am to take seriously my research agenda glaring back at me
in the corner. But nevertheless, a student or two will pick something
apart about my teaching
None of these are really groaners - just things I wish Riv would do/do
more of:
- Internally geared bikes. Until they build a full chainguard for a
front derailler, anyway. 'Bout the only thing that bugs me about my
Atlantis is rolling up my pants before I jump on.
- Lighting. It's a complicate
I came to Rivendell from the Bridgestone Owners Bunch, which I came to
late when I finally bought a '94 MB-1. I loved the Bob Gazzette I got,
and ordered some small stuff. But then suddenly, Bridgestone USA was
gone, and I was bummed like I lost a fun long-distance friend. I was
also bummed since
Love: the philosophy, the Reader, the fact that Grant will write about
whatever he wants to. Great customer service. Excellent 650B
wheels. My Bleriot. I love talking to John on the phone.
Groan: no girl-size anything. Love my Bleriot, but the reach is too
long. I would definitely have purch
GP's TwitterBlogJournal entry:
http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/knothole_post/125
One of the things I missed as the Readers continued was the "Progress
Report" Grant mentions. At the time, I was trying to run a business,
at times looking at huge lumps of bills and little piles of cash,
hoping to han
I think most of this feedback has been fairly positive. I think we all
realize that Riv always tries to do the right thing, but posts like
this should be encouraged from time to time. Maybe "groan" is a word
that holds a lot of negative connotation, but think about it in the
same way that a compan
Brad,
At first, on reading this post, I started to feel "hey, what's the big
idea?" Then, noticed that Grant has just posted something on the
website. And this has now made me sad I ever responded.
This is the way things go. Thought I was saying something nice about
what has easily become my
I'm really surprised at the number of people choosing to "Groan" about
Rivendell. Sure, nothing and nobody is perfect but what is the point
of this really? If you have the time and energy to complain about a
company so desperately trying to do the right thing with a level of
transparency that is a
I don't have any groans, but maybe a few wishes...
Love: The philosophy, the ride, the fit, the lifestyle, the passion
and the practicality. Honestly, if it wasn't for an article on Riv I
read in an old Dirt Rag mag, I doubt I would have ever discovered the
Company, this group of individuals and
Things I think I love: High trail. :)
On Apr 11, 7:34 pm, usuk2007 wrote:
> Things I love
>
> Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres
>
> Things that make me groan
>
> Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps.
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You received t
Like: going against the status quo is often right/good, at least some nice
bikes should fit wide(ish) tires, arguably created the market for
practical/versatile road bikes (sure, there have always been custom builders
who could make them, but was anybody really asking for them?)
Not so much: too
> 3. The sad short-livedness of the original Wooly Warm line (especially
> the olive green sweaters and vests with those buttoned fronts and
> pockets) -- please bring it back!!
The British made cardigan? I wear mine almost every winter evening
and while working on the bike in colder weather. I
Like: the perfection of my road bikes -- that is, the fit and handling. I
like the ornate lugs and fancy paint, too, but those are decidedly secondary
qualities.
Miss (or would miss had I not already purchased the two light and fast
pavement only Riv roads I covet): a light road type bike from the
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:03 AM, fiddlr40 wrote:
>
> I replaced my Quickbeam's Speedblends wtih Big Apples recently, so I
> took the Speedblends to a swap meet with a bunch of other items. I
> expected they wouldn't sell, but actually what happened was a small
> bidding war started. The winner i
I like: ride, design, aesthetics, utility, and quality of the
bicycles; attention to craft; s240; focus on riding for the joy of it;
Book of Nonsense; nudging racing's dominance, friendliness; Quickbeam;
utilitarian.
In theory, I miss the Ram/Rom. But I have a Romulus. I ride it rack-
less and
> Things that make me groan
>
> Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps.
I replaced my Quickbeam's Speedblends wtih Big Apples recently, so I
took the Speedblends to a swap meet with a bunch of other items. I
expected they wouldn't sell, but actually what happened was a small
bidding war started.
Love: Grant's cycling philosophy and writing style, his willingness to
put new ideas into the stream, and the general wackiness like the
ongoing 'e'-less Raven contest. The value of beausage (whether you
like his word for it or not). I also support the idea of the new
Taiwanese-built frames, in th
Some speculation about the Rambouillet based on anecdotal evidence:
When the Rambouillet was part of the regular Riv line, it undersold
the Atlantis by about half. At least that was the approximate
breakdown at my shop, and what I seem to recall Grant writing
somewhere. It was sort of frustrating
I'm with you on the love for Carradice, although I'm biased as I'm
from the UK and used
one on my bike back in the 1970s. I think Acorn is a close second
because they are
making simple practical bags.
I also agree about the Sackvilles, I just can't love them, the look
busy and sort
of weird.
Als
Love: the idea of "beausage," my A Homer Hilsen, the selection of
quality parts.
Groans: retirement of the Rambouillet
On Apr 13, 6:30 am, EricP wrote:
> Love: The general philosophy. From steel bikes to riding for the fun
> of it, learning about (and doing) S24O, not being so caught up in th
Love: The general philosophy. From steel bikes to riding for the fun
of it, learning about (and doing) S24O, not being so caught up in the
"latest and greatest" ideas, practical clothing and (mostly) practical
bags, helping introduce me to folks and shops I'd not know about
otherwise. (By discov
After some pondering...
Love: Riding the bikes, the non-racing bike philosophy, customer
service, The Reader, lugged steel.
Groans: Wish I would have listened to Grant's advice about frame
sizing and handlebar height sooner
Angus
On Apr 11, 9:34 pm, usuk2007 wrote:
> Things I love
>
> Rambo
I love the steel bikes and the practical approach. I enjoy reading
Grants writing because I like to write too. I don't own a Riv frame
but I have purchased quite a bit from them in the last few years. I
especially want to thank Grant for the tip on Teva sandals and wool
clothing...wow! I alwa
Mine's a hair over 22, and set up without much thought to weight weenie-ing.
58cm Ram
Ultegra: headset, 6600 hubs, front/rear deralleur, cassette, 172.5 crankset
(50/34)
Durace barend shifters
Mavic open pro rims, DT spokes
Brooks Swift Ti
Nitto: noodle, stem, seatpost
King cages
Shimano levers,
Things I love about RBW:
1. Lugged steel frames that last for years and years (like mine, for
instance)
2. The Atlantis (I love my LongLow but the Atlantis is very possibly
the best frame ever designed for anything).
2a. The All-Rounder -- bring it back maybe?
3. Tire and fender clearance (long b
In a message dated 4/12/2009 8:57:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
skvi...@gmail.com writes:
I would like for riv to have a "here's what we're thinking about"
blog like VO has, too.
I suspect the blog drives purchasers to the website for VO.
Yes, I would agree. I check the VO blog almos
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 8:06 PM, David Estes wrote:
> Loves: The bikes. Design philosophy (any bike, anywhere), GP's writing
> style, accessibility.
>
> Groans: Prices (although I understand why, just wish it wasn't so...). Lack
> of a blog a la V.O., Swobo, etc.
>
I would like for riv to ha
Nitto stem, bar, water bottle cages
Campy Record 10 speed components
Brooks Professional Ti (before the big price increase)
American Classic seat stem (aluminum)
Shimano SPD mountain bike pedals
Mavic Ksyzium SL wheels
Conti 25cm Gator Skins tires
I could make the bike lighter by replacing the
Loves: Coherent and intelligent design philosophy expressed in
products, readers and website.
Groans: Chronic undercapitalization. Grant needs some Friends of
Rivendell to invest in the firm.
Steve
Ames, IA
On Apr 12, 7:06 pm, David Estes wrote:
> Loves: The bikes. Design philosophy (any b
Loves: The bikes. Design philosophy (any bike, anywhere), GP's writing
style, accessibility.
Groans: Prices (although I understand why, just wish it wasn't so...). Lack
of a blog a la V.O., Swobo, etc.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 12:01 PM, JL wrote:
>
> Love: A company that actually cares about
I'd love to see a build list on that 21lb Ram. Mine's at 25lbs but
it's set up for touring.
Loosing the B17 and getting a lighter wheel set might help...
On Apr 12, 5:56 pm, bpus...@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 4/12/2009 5:20:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>
> ginoza...@gmail.com write
Loves:
The general aesthetics which basically match my own;
the general philosophy about bike riding, which also basically
matches my own (but I like clipless pedals).
Groans:
Hmmm. Striped wool jerseys.
The other thing someone mentioned, the "cult status" backlash, is not
reall
In a message dated 4/12/2009 5:20:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
ginoza...@gmail.com writes:
Heh. I took my (22.5lb) Rambouillet for a hilly 50 miler this morning. It
continues to be my favorite Rivendell for "spirited" long rides.
Gino,
That's my point. Nothing is flat here in Kentuc
I love the versatility of my AHH and Rambouillet. Both bikes work well
and have brought me a lot of happiness. Their customer service and
commitment excellent and their commitment to social causes is awesome.
The Rivendell Reader is awesome and I'm waiting anxiously for the next
issue. Jack Brown
Heh. I took my (22.5lb) Rambouillet for a hilly 50 miler this morning. It
continues to be my favorite Rivendell for "spirited" long rides.
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 1:29 PM, wrote:
> Love: The Rambouillet
> Moan: The lack of the Rambouillet
>
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Love: The Rambouillet
Moan: The lack of the Rambouillet
In a message dated 4/12/2009 3:01:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
subfas...@gmail.com writes:
Love: A company that actually cares about bikes, labor, human rights,
and trying to do the right thing. Bright colors and cream head
tubes.
Love: A company that actually cares about bikes, labor, human rights,
and trying to do the right thing. Bright colors and cream head
tubes. Room for fenders on every bike. The work that went into
helping 650b in the U.S.
Groan: Associated with Riv by proxy: People who say "Rivendale". The
"cult
Love:
Customer service, enthusiasm, "velosophy", Jumbo wool, MUSA clothes,
bags (pretty much all of 'em, though the new Trunksacks are pretty
busy-looking; I'm sure I'll come around, though. I appear to have
drunk the kool-aid.), suspenders, Nitto, Grip Kings, thick bike socks
(if you were wonder
On Apr 11, 7:34 pm, usuk2007 wrote:
> Things I love
>
> Rambouillet, Quickbeam angled dropouts, Ruffy Tuffy tyres
>
> Things that make me groan
>
> Speedblend tyres, Nigel Smyth mud flaps.
Love:
Joe Bell paint; fancy lugs; cream head tubes; cloisonne head badges;
shiny silver parts
Groan:
Plas
Love: Customer service; info; employee accessibility; attitude; bike
packing; my Atlantis.
Groans: OK, maybe they sometimes do take themselves a bit too seriously,
but then don't we all? That part's too much like looking in the mirror.
dougP
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