Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-10 Thread Joe Friedrichsen
Nicolas wrote: Might be better to think of the specified value of 'q' as being the "quantization floor" or "mimimum amount of compression applied" rather than "quality". Could that explain why I can't get a smaller m2v file when increasing the q amount? I used -q 4 and -

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-09 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, Jonathan Woithe wrote: > > > not right for those of us using PAL (which is always bottom-first)... > > > > Are you 100% certain of this? DV is always bottom field first - that > > is true ... > > No, I'm not certain - I just seem to recall reading somewhere that N

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-09 Thread Jonathan Woithe
Hi Steven > > The datastream sent keeps the field order of the original footage. When > > constructing the yuv4pmeg2 stream, cinelerra by default appears to assume > > top-field-first which, while perhaps being appropriate for NTSC-land (which > > The capture hardware I use has bottom field

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-08 Thread Nicolas
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 04:14:54PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Nicolas wrote: > > > When you've determined the bitrate, how do you choose the value for -q ? > > Pick a number between 2 and 8 :-) There are higher values (up to 31) > but in practice they're

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-07 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Delio Pereira Guimaraes wrote: > On Thursday 06 April 2006 17:39, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > megabits/sec. Thus for a 120 (2hr) movie on a 4.38GB DVD-R we have > > 560/120 = 4.666 megabits/sec or "-b 4666". I round up and add a little > This is all I wanted, a ma

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-07 Thread Delio Pereira Guimaraes
On Thursday 06 April 2006 17:39, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > megabits/sec. Thus for a 120 (2hr) movie on a 4.38GB DVD-R we have > 560/120 = 4.666 megabits/sec or "-b 4666". I round up and add a little This is all I wanted, a magic number (560). I've been using bitrate calculator (ht

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-07 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Christian Ebert wrote: > Ok, let me try to be more specific. The case I had in mind was to > how to put DV footage (shot and edited by yours truly) on DVD. Ok - so it's not going thru an analog conversion and does not have analog noise to worry about.

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-07 Thread Nicolas
Hello everybody, The Cinelerra version I use is the "Community Version". There's a problem with field order with the version I use, and that's ONLY in batch rendering mode. The field order information of the project wasn't use correctly when rendering in batch mode. I don't export as MPEG2 from C

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-07 Thread Christian Ebert
* Steven M. Schultz on Thursday, April 06, 2006 at 11:03:49 -0700: > On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Christian Ebert wrote: >> What about -H|--keep-hf ? Supposing I just want highest quality? > > I think it would be a good idea to define "highest quality" ;) Oops, sorry for being so vague. > The

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jonathan Woithe wrote: ... > The datastream sent keeps the field order of the original footage. When > constructing the yuv4pmeg2 stream, cinelerra by default appears to assume > top-field-first which, while perhaps being appropriate for NTSC-land (which

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Jonathan Woithe
Nicolas wrote: > > > > hmmm - Cinelerra getting the field order wrong? > > > > > > Exactly. At least with the SVN version I fetched 1 month ago. ... Note that at least in cinelerra 2.0 there's an checkbox in the "mpeg2" rendering dialog box which says something like "bottom first field o

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Nicolas wrote: > When you've determined the bitrate, how do you choose the value for -q ? Pick a number between 2 and 8 :-) There are higher values (up to 31) but in practice they're not used (not often). Folks think of "-q" as being "quality" and in

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Nicolas
On Thu, Apr 06, 2006 at 01:39:52PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > As an added "bonus tip" - here's quick and easy guesstimator for > bitrate calculation. Assumes 1 audio (224Kb/s) and 1 video track, > a few percent of the DVD capacity is reserved for menus, subtitles, >

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, John Gay wrote: > But I want a magic "use this for high quality" switch! How many $/Euro/... do you have? :-) > Eliminate the shaking of my home videos? y4mstabilizer might be what you're looking for. > Restore cut-off heads, feet, whatever?

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread John Gay
On Thursday 06 April 2006 18:03, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > Compression is an art form - there is no magic "use this > for high quality". But I want a magic "use this for high quality" switch! Can't I please have a magic switch? I think it would make my videos so much better without me

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Christian Ebert wrote: > What about -H|--keep-hf ? Supposing I just want highest quality? I think it would be a good idea to define "highest quality" ;) The same type of request/desire comes up a lot on a couple forums I lurk in. It's often in the fo

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Nicolas wrote: > Well, I sent an email to the mailing-list. It's now easy to get in touch > with the developers. I think that bug will be quickly solved, if it's Interesting - at one time there was just 1 developer and he was impossible to contact. > Well, in

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Nicolas
On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 04:59:50PM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > > hmmm - Cinelerra getting the field order wrong? > > > > Exactly. At least with the SVN version I fetched 1 month ago. There's a > > Ouch. One would think a problem like that would be fixed quickly, but > Cinel

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Thu, 6 Apr 2006, Christian Ebert wrote: > >> 1 -V 1853 -s -D 1 0 -g 6 -G 15 -I 1 -b 9800 -D 10 -f 8 -o $1 > > Does -g 3 make sense in case one has high motion scenes? Probably not a big difference. The lower limit is mainly used by mpeg2enc's dynamic GOP sizing logic. If 6

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Christian Ebert
* Steven M. Schultz on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 at 11:31:29 -0700: > On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Nicolas wrote: > Let's play "find the be incorrect options" game :) ok :) >> 1 -V 1853 -s -D 1 0 -g 6 -G 15 -I 1 -b 9800 -D 10 -f 8 -o $1 Does -g 3 make sense in case one has high motion scenes? >

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-06 Thread Christian Ebert
* Steven M. Schultz on Wednesday, April 05, 2006 at 16:59:50 -0700: > On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Nicolas wrote: >> OK. The problem is that I don't know which options are set when using -f 8. > > The important ones ;) All you should need to specify is the '-q' > and perhaps a bitrate. What a

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-05 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Nicolas wrote: Hi! > Thank you for your reply! =) You're welcome - I hope it was not too abrasive/obnoxious ;) > > hmmm - Cinelerra getting the field order wrong? > > Exactly. At least with the SVN version I fetched 1 month ago. There's a Ouch.

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-05 Thread Nicolas
Hello Steven, Thank you for your reply! =) On Wed, Apr 05, 2006 at 11:31:29AM -0700, Steven M. Schultz wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Nicolas wrote: > > > I use mpeg2enc and mplex to create my DVD from videos made with > > Cinelerra. Cinelerra outputs an YUV4MPEG stream which I encode "on the >

Re: [Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-05 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Nicolas wrote: > I use mpeg2enc and mplex to create my DVD from videos made with > Cinelerra. Cinelerra outputs an YUV4MPEG stream which I encode "on the > fly" with mpeg2enc. Here's the pipe I use : Let's play "find the be incorrect options" game :) > /usr/bin/yuvco

[Mjpeg-users] No B frames in GOP structure

2006-04-05 Thread Nicolas
Hello, I use mpeg2enc and mplex to create my DVD from videos made with Cinelerra. Cinelerra outputs an YUV4MPEG stream which I encode "on the fly" with mpeg2enc. Here's the pipe I use : /usr/bin/yuvcorrect -T INTERLACED_BOTTOM_FIRST | /usr/bin/yuvscaler -v 0 -I ACTIVE_702x560+8+8 -M BICUBIC | /usr