On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Jonathan Woithe wrote:
        
        ...
> The datastream sent keeps the field order of the original footage. When
> constructing the yuv4pmeg2 stream, cinelerra by default appears to assume
> top-field-first which, while perhaps being appropriate for NTSC-land (which

        The capture hardware I use has bottom field first for everything not
        just the "DV" family of codecs.

        So the problem could be that the tag is just getting (arbitrarily) 
        set wrong in Cinelerra.  

> I have no direct experience with) is not right for those of us using PAL
> (which is always bottom-first).  Thus if one is using bottom-field-first

        Are  you 100% certain of this?  DV is always bottom field first - that
        is true for 625line (PAL)) or 525line NTSC.  I have a MJPEG sample
        sent to me from a fellow in Austria and that file is top  field first
        (came from either a DC10 or DC30 - I forget which).

        (technically PAL and NTSC are color modulation schemes but are 
        overloaded to mean 625 line and 525 line video systems - it is possible
        to, like in Brazil, have a 525 line system with PAL color - it's
        PAL/M as I recall)

        But as far as I know "PAL" can have either field order - the choice 
        is made at acquisition time by the hardware being used. 

> Having said all that, this may not be your particular problem. :)

        No, it probably isn't but it was an interesting thread of discussion.

> I think we're talking about two different things.  Cinelerra *itself* is
> developed by a single person as Steven said; the developer's website is at
> 
>   http://heroinewarrior.com/index.php3

> There is no mailing list and it one generally has to wait for the changelog

        Yes, that's the one I was thinking of.

> In an attempt to make development a little more fluid, a group of people
> set up 
> 
>   http://cvs.cinelerra.org/.


        And that would be the one I did not know about ;)

        Thank you for the information and the clarification.  I was wondering
        if the "heroinewarrior" had suddenly become reachable ;)

        Cheers,
        Steven Schultz



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