ith a bank a few years ago looking at authentication. It took an
inconceivable amount of time just to identify which country IT group held the
authoritative records for rDNS and who needed to approve changes. Because, no,
you don’t want some J. Random Person authorizing DNS changes.
“A Day” is jus
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F record should
> list all the mail servers that send mail on behalf of a domain.
That’s not going to help as it’s not in the same organizational space as the
5322.from.
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Custom HELO that maps into their domain space or use a valid non-null
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>
>> On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:33 AM, John Levine > <mailto:jo...@taugh.com>> wrote:
>
sic and summary reports, I don’t
>> think. It just says “XML”
>
> Aggregate reports are XML, forensic reports are ARF.
Thanks! Useful data point.
So those are just the aggregate report senders.
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The point is: someone is using the same to: and from: without sending through
Gmail’s servers. So they’re going to tell you this because it’s something the
bad guys do.
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seem like a minor thing, but it’s easy to catch, easy to define
and has a low false positive rate. Even in your case - you know you sent the
mail, so it’s not really a big deal. Why wouldn’t you alert on that?
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l doesn’t say it’s spam. Gmail says: This message may not have been sent
by:
In my test it did place the mail in the spam folder, but I’m not willing to say
that every message so marked will end up in spam. Gmail’s filters are way more
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> On Jun 14, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Stefano Bagnara <mailto:mai...@bago.org>> wrote:
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> On 14 June 2017 at 20:51, Laura Atkins <mailto:la...@wordtothewise.com>> wrote:
> Gmail doesn’t say it’s spam. Gmail says: This message may not have been sent
> by:
>
> On Jun 14, 2017, at 1:55 PM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>
> On 14 June 2017 at 22:28, Laura Atkins <mailto:la...@wordtothewise.com>> wrote:
>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Stefano Bagnara > <mailto:mai...@bago.org>> wrote:
>>
>> BTW please note t
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> Smart Screen is a bit opaque, but the key is that it’s based on user
> feedback. Instead
ent and who is
willing to accept some hard realities. It’s highly customized advice for each
client.
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>
>
> On Thu, Jun 29, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Laura Atkins <mailto:la...@wordtothewise.com>> wrote:
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>> On Jun 29, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Chris Truitt >
le=en-us&ccsid=636348645782435542>
But that message is pretty specific that it’s not necessarily you, it’s your
upstream.
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> "Your Spam Specimen Has Been Processed."
>
> Got the Junk Mail Reporting Tool
> <http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=18275> ?
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se Gmail figured out I regularly send from @wttw to @gmail and has
prioritized that mail into the inbox. If I send to a different @gmail account,
it goes to bulk.
With the symptoms you describe, however, I’d look hard at the domain reputation.
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es this company have an easy to find signup link on their website?
* Is this domain listed on any of the domain based blocklists?
There are some other questions I ask and specifics that I look at, but I can’t
share all my secrets publicly.
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> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 5:09 PM
ecific feedback
overrides the general / public feedback.
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it).
If you’re seeing mixed results, look at your recipient pool and start making
some decisions about who you can stop mailing for a little while.
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Many ISPs are putting this information up on postmaster pages. Outlook’s is at
http://mail.live.com/mail/postmaster.aspx
<http://mail.live.com/mail/postmaster.aspx> and they list IPs at
http://mail.live.com/mail/ipspace.aspx <http://mail.live.com/mail/ipspace.aspx>
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> really hard to predict how DKIM selector may affect reputation. But surely,
> it can.
Thanks!
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> 10.10.2017 18:37, Laura Atkins пишет:
>>
>>> On Oct 9, 2017, at 8:15 PM, Benjamin BILLON via mailop >> <mailto:mailop@mailop.org>> wrote:
>>>
&
m queda
> prohibida.
> DonWeb.com no se hace responsable del mensaje por la falsificación y/o
> alteración del mismo.
> De no ser Ud el destinatario del mismo y lo ha recibido por error, por favor,
> notifique al remitente y elimínelo de su sistema.
> Confidentiality Note: This messa
10:17 AM, Emanuel wrote:
>
> We have hundreds of subdomains, registering each subdomain would be a
> never-ending task.
>
> We registered the main domain thinking that it would affect the subdomains as
> well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Emanuel.
>
> El 17/1
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like this to be escalated, we’re just received this netblock and are looking
for pre-emptive mitigation” that works.
Also, are you sure this is an actual block? Rather than simply low sending
thresholds because the IPs are unwarmed?
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>
>
>
> There is no silver bullet to maintaining or improving good IP reputation, but
> these programs help you proactively manage your email eco-system to help
> better ensure deliverability to Outlook.com <http://outlook.com/> users.
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complying with those requests.
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> is.
Or, y’know, a mailing list.
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> On Mar 7, 2018, at 2:19 PM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
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> On 7 March 2018 at 22:52, Laura Atkins wrote:
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>> In other
>> cases, some compliance folks will data mine to find spamtrap domains when a
>> blacklist is telling them that they are listed due to spamtra
> On Mar 7, 2018, at 3:40 PM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
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> On 8 March 2018 at 00:08, Laura Atkins wrote:
>> [...]
>> I don’t either, but I am not fighting language with folks.
>
> I'm sorry Laura. My mother language is not english and your "tone" is
&g
urn/
<https://wordtothewise.com/2015/07/yes-there-is-list-churn/>
I thought the original data was out of date and list churn wasn’t that
extensive. Turns out, I was wrong.
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> On Mar 7, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
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> On 8 March 2018 at 01:02, Laura Atkins wrote:
>> [...]
>> Sure, we agree. But there are folks who don’t agree with us. Some of those
>> folks run spamtrap networks that feel blocklist data. I think it’s impor
I
think that will provide an overall benefit by making the information public.
It’s also not like I’m the only person who knows this.“
Please either prove or correct your statement.
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into a website.
> ... unless it had gathered dust for a very long time, or the new domain's
> owner didn't follow the (Reject for 6 months to a year) BCP.
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> Just MHO.
No real argument in theory. But theory doesn’t always apply in practice.
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[1] The first person [2] to mention 2142 loses.
[2] OK, the second, since I am technically the first.
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The "v=spf1 +all" SPF record is another, even easier, way to work around it.
Spammers poisoned that particular well a while ago. +all listings are treated
as heavily suspicious by ISPs.
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(SF next feb? Budapest next June?)
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[1] I was unaware of said behavior before i signed a contract with them. And
they actually avoided telling me about this particular part of their business
as long as they could.
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not the first time the behavior was seen, just the first time I publicly
documented it. (Note: others may have documented it before me, but that link
was easy for me to find)
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or is the problem spam reporters sending to every abuse@ mailbox they
> can find? (or something I haven't thought of)
Yes. To all of them.
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p.This has been reinforced by the commercial
services selling access to spamtrap data - where the spamtrap data is simply
domains maintained by the commercial service. If your customers are bouncing
mails then your response should be “they hit a spamtrap” not some vague “oh,
well.”
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for all ISPs.
(It’s just gone10am here and I already have 3 different “thought piece” blog
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> On 28 Dec 2018, at 12:47, Stefano Bagnara wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Dec 2018 at 12:40, Laura Atkins wrote:
>> I sent Ben a long-ish email with some specific information and suggestions.
>> And I say this as someone who does delivery for a living. These types of
>> c
that they’re happy with the filtering as is. It’s pretty clear to
me they’re not listening to anyone complaining and the only real solution is
figure out how to work in their paradigm.
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mcimail.com was turned into spamtraps somewhere around 2005.
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Invitation-Only workspace.
There are hundreds of people in the workspace that don’t work at those
companies. Approval is pretty simple, you just have to ask.
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essage
> telling that the site is suspended, or redirecing to google or similar.
Sounds like what Techcrunch was discussing here:
https://techcrunch.com/2019/04/02/inside-a-spam-operation/
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Spam is a goldilocks problem, clearly.
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Google does much of it at SMTP time. But other places have aggressively adopted
“temp fail” as one of their spam fighting mechanisms.
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they offer to
non-customers.
I mean, how much time and effort does your company spend building tools,
processes and even entire websites for use by non-customers?
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> On 24 Apr 2019, at 10:20, Brian Kantor wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 24, 2019 at 09:59:20AM +0100, Laura Atkins wrote:
>>
>> Have you ever handled delivery support for an ISP?
>>
>> If you haven’t I respectfully suggest that you might want to talk to a few
>
> On 24 Apr 2019, at 11:21, Paul Smith wrote:
>
> On 24/04/2019 10:51, Laura Atkins wrote:
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>>
>> You cut the portion of the previous post I was specifically responding to.
>> Specifically this sentence:
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>> “[MS employees should] be ab
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> been blocked, to be able to guess if you're a probable spammer or a
> legitimate sender who's been caught out, and then be helpful or not
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a difference, then that's where
you focus. If there's not then you want to look at the client's email address
collection and sending.
It could be a mistake on Gmail's end, it wouldn't be the first time. But often
the filters are picking up on something (spamtraps, or se
mp;ct=eformts.
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>
>
> I have tried 3 different browsers on 2 machines and still cannot get the
> captcha accepted. Does any have any idea about what I may be doing wrong or
> is this broken?
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>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
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t my wits end!
What's the content look like? What's the domain? What's the outgoing IP
address? Do you share that outgoing IP with anyone? What happens if you send
over IPv4?
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and asked for mitigation? (note: the captcha is continually broken on that
page and you may need to refresh and try again multiple times. Some people have
reported that if they refresh the captcha before submission it works more often
than not).
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On Jul 22, 2015, at 12:42 PM, Luke Martinez wrote:
> Confirmed problems IPv4 as well.
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> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 1:33 PM, Laura Atkins wrote:
> One of the sets of error messages was IPv6 addresses, is anyone seeing this
> sending over IPv4?
Thanks, All!
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reated a JMRPP account with them and are you getting
complaints? If you haven’t something is really broken. I’d use the publicly
available postmaster pages to get a ticket opened. If that ticket doesn’t work,
there are a couple MS employees on the list who may be able to help you more
directly.
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else's, or
> have a forged receive chain perhaps?
Very good advice.
laura
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2015 at 9:07 PM, Laura Atkins <mailto:la...@wordtothewise.com>> wrote:
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> > On Sep 3, 2015, at 8:05 AM, Jim Popovitch > <mailto:jim...@gmail.com>> wrot
ssible to repair your reputation (and thus your
inbox delivery) without having the ISPs tell you “Do X, Do Y, Do Z.” We’ve been
doing it with clients for over a decade now.
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discussing with smart
people.
>
>> Otherwise, have you created a JMRPP account with them and are you getting
>> complaints?
>
> Yes, that is exactly why/how I received them. I'm simply surprised
> that the rfc1918 space is contained in the subject.
Yea
t;>>>
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> Ha! Here's a great example Brandon. Franck's email, referenced
That’s because gmail is listening to LinkedIn. And LinkedIn, by policy, says
that no mail with a linkedin.com address should be delivered unless it is
authenticated by LinkedIn.
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master isn’t really the place for deliverability issues, in my experience.
The postmasters seem to be more about keeping the system up and running. Most
bigger networks have dedicated filter staff that are separate from the
postmaster team. It’s been years sinc
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ence is that invalid messageIDs isn’t a big deal and many
large mailers violate the RFCs when it comes to messageIDs and mail still gets
delivered well and to the inbox.
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