You’re absolutely right, there is a massive challenge for small senders these days. I even blogged about it a couple weeks ago (https://wordtothewise.com/2019/04/email-filters-and-small-sends/)
I don’t think it’s permanent, I think the filters will adapt, eventually. I think discussions in places like this (and elsewhere) pointing out the filters seem to work better on high volumes than low volumes are a part of that change. Individual recipients pushing back are crucial. Tell your recipients and your own systems when they get it wrong. laura > On 24 Apr 2019, at 12:38, Mike Hammett <mail...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Most of the big mailers have those problems with low-volume senders. I doubt > it'll ever be fixed. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Paul Smith" <p...@pscs.co.uk <mailto:p...@pscs.co.uk>> > To: mailop@mailop.org <mailto:mailop@mailop.org> > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:40:29 AM > Subject: Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders > > On 24/04/2019 02:22, John Levine wrote: > > > > But the vast majority of people who would use a system like that would > > be spammers to try to get their unwanted mail delivered. That's never > > going to happen. > > The thing is that Microsoft have the SDNS system already. > > But for small senders it's of limited use. > > The '100 messages a day' threshold they have means that small senders > get zero information from it. We have multiple smarthosts which send > several thousand messages a day, but because they send <100 to Microsoft > email addresses, they're not listed. > > I've had cases where their 'View IP Status' shows no problems, but some > of our IP addresses are blocked. Even the next day it shows no problems, > so if it's meant to show the previous day's status, it's still not > showing it. > > Occasionally we have had IP addresses shown up as blocked on 'View IP > Status', but it shows no reason or information to help get it unblocked > - so it tells us nothing we didn't already know. > > If something showed a basic reason for blocking - "too much reported > spam", "IP reputation" etc, then it would at least give a bit of help. > > We've had IP addresses show as 'green' on their 'View Data' list for > days, and then suddenly be blocked, and we have no idea why (they > weren't sending spam - we log all the messages sent) and no useful way > to get them unblocked. > > > Outlook has no idea who you are, and they have no way to tell you from > > any other mailer whose mail they're not delivering. > > When you contact Microsoft about an IP address, THEY should be able to > see what some recent messages from that IP address were, and why it's > been blocked, to be able to guess if you're a probable spammer or a > legitimate sender who's been caught out, and then be helpful or not > based on that. > > > > -- > > > Paul Smith Computer Services > Tel: 01484 855800 > Vat No: GB 685 6987 53 > > Sign up for news & updates at http://www.pscs.co.uk/go/subscribe > <http://www.pscs.co.uk/go/subscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org <mailto:mailop@mailop.org> > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > <https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop> > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org <mailto:mailop@mailop.org> > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > <https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop> -- Having an Email Crisis? We can help! 800 823-9674 Laura Atkins Word to the Wise la...@wordtothewise.com (650) 437-0741 Email Delivery Blog: https://wordtothewise.com/blog
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