Places like google are really good at separating out individual mail streams. The folks who use ESPs but still send a few tens of thousands a month are struggling in some cases. And they’re not able to send enough volume to really move the dial on the ML filters.
It’s not just webmail providers who are having issues with the current situation. Laura Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2019, at 1:29 PM, Mike Hammett <mail...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I think a lot of the thought is that "everyone" uses Comcast, Google, > Microsoft, Yahoo, etc. for the client side and the other side of the coin is > Mailgun, SendGrid, Mandrill, SES, etc. The concept of there being a server > with a few hundred users sending a few hundred messages a day in aggregate > seems lost. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > From: "Laura Atkins" <la...@wordtothewise.com> > To: "Mike Hammett" <mail...@ics-il.net> > Cc: mailop@mailop.org > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 7:00:16 AM > Subject: Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders > > You’re absolutely right, there is a massive challenge for small senders these > days. I even blogged about it a couple weeks ago > (https://wordtothewise.com/2019/04/email-filters-and-small-sends/) > > I don’t think it’s permanent, I think the filters will adapt, eventually. I > think discussions in places like this (and elsewhere) pointing out the > filters seem to work better on high volumes than low volumes are a part of > that change. Individual recipients pushing back are crucial. Tell your > recipients and your own systems when they get it wrong. > > laura > On 24 Apr 2019, at 12:38, Mike Hammett <mail...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Most of the big mailers have those problems with low-volume senders. I doubt > it'll ever be fixed. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > > Midwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > From: "Paul Smith" <p...@pscs.co.uk> > To: mailop@mailop.org > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2019 3:40:29 AM > Subject: Re: [mailop] The utility of spam folders > > On 24/04/2019 02:22, John Levine wrote: > > > > But the vast majority of people who would use a system like that would > > be spammers to try to get their unwanted mail delivered. That's never > > going to happen. > > The thing is that Microsoft have the SDNS system already. > > But for small senders it's of limited use. > > The '100 messages a day' threshold they have means that small senders > get zero information from it. We have multiple smarthosts which send > several thousand messages a day, but because they send <100 to Microsoft > email addresses, they're not listed. > > I've had cases where their 'View IP Status' shows no problems, but some > of our IP addresses are blocked. Even the next day it shows no problems, > so if it's meant to show the previous day's status, it's still not > showing it. > > Occasionally we have had IP addresses shown up as blocked on 'View IP > Status', but it shows no reason or information to help get it unblocked > - so it tells us nothing we didn't already know. > > If something showed a basic reason for blocking - "too much reported > spam", "IP reputation" etc, then it would at least give a bit of help. > > We've had IP addresses show as 'green' on their 'View Data' list for > days, and then suddenly be blocked, and we have no idea why (they > weren't sending spam - we log all the messages sent) and no useful way > to get them unblocked. > > > Outlook has no idea who you are, and they have no way to tell you from > > any other mailer whose mail they're not delivering. > > When you contact Microsoft about an IP address, THEY should be able to > see what some recent messages from that IP address were, and why it's > been blocked, to be able to guess if you're a probable spammer or a > legitimate sender who's been caught out, and then be helpful or not > based on that. > > > > -- > > > Paul Smith Computer Services > Tel: 01484 855800 > Vat No: GB 685 6987 53 > > Sign up for news & updates at http://www.pscs.co.uk/go/subscribe > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop > > -- > Having an Email Crisis? We can help! 800 823-9674 > > Laura Atkins > Word to the Wise > la...@wordtothewise.com > (650) 437-0741 > > Email Delivery Blog: https://wordtothewise.com/blog > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mailop mailing list > mailop@mailop.org > https://chilli.nosignal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mailop
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