Hi listers,
I followed directions, but voiceover continues to exhibit quirky behavior
regarding drag and drop. When I hit VO comma to mark something, and then change
folders, I hear the words selection replaced. When trying to hit VO period, I
get the message that the marked item is no longer a
Hi listers,
Has anybody running Lion gotten drag and drop to work correctly using
voiceover? I opened the keyboard commander and assigned a command to mark an
item for dragging. I then assigned another command to drop an item on the
voiceover cursor. Whenever I select a document in a folder and
Hi all,
I have a question about running mac OS in fusion. Do I need to install vmware
tools to get sound working?
Thanks,
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stores the maps locally, so there wouldn't be any outrageous data charges. It
also means IPod touch owners can use this too.
Any thoughts are appreciated.
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Vmx files will work in fusion. I have tried this before and there's no problems
at all.
hth
John
On Jul 4, 2010, at 8:46 AM, Kevin Mattingly wrote:
> Scott,
>
> vinux is pretty awesome. It is the ready orca (speech on) version of linux. I
> haven't tried the vmx option yet as I just got the
Hi all,
I know we don't have to worry just yet, as most viruses are for windows.
However, my school requires all macs to run a virus program, and in my
searching the internet, I found something which I think is pretty useful. The
program is called clamxav, and with the exception of 2 unlabeled
Hi Teresa,
I wanted to comment on your suggestion that it is easier to copy and paste
versus drag and drop. I'm afraid that, for time reasons alone, drag and drop
would be far more useful than copying and pasting currently is. When you drag
and drop something from one place to another, it is al
Hi all,
I just got this link from a friend of mine. Apparently, this app is
free, and it performs OCR using the new IPhone. It's different from the
one that emails your image to a server and then gives you back text.
This one actually performs OCR on the phone.
Furthermore, it automatically tak
Hi list,
I have a question about the language rotor in voiceover. I want to have the
option to choose between the US english, australian english, and UK english
voices. However, right now it is only showing the US and australian voices. How
do I add the UK english one to the mix as well? I trie
Hello Mary,
The scanner I'm using is a fujitsu fi-6230. I like the scanner because of its
super fast document feeder. You can get that bad boy going at sixty pages per
minute. The other nice thing is that the document feeder supports double sided
scanning, so where applicable you get both pages
Hello,
I am in the same boat. I have a lot of scanning to do, and started law school 2
years ago. There wasn't any great OCR solution for the mac, so I decided to
install windows XP and kurzweil via fusion on my machine. I still use it to
this day just for that purpose, but have replaced window
Hi listers,
I have a lot of IPad questions after todays apple visit, but I won't flood the
list with them. I'll stop after this one. Does Ibooks have a find feature, so
that you can find particular words and phrases in books? Also, can you quickly
and easily find the next instance of a phrase o
Hi listers,
I went to my apple store today to check out the IPad. I liked it over all, but
I have a question. How do I enable the new form of touch typing? I really
wanted to try this out, but when I put my fingers on the keyboard, found the
letter I wanted, and then lifted them, nothing happen
As an owner of pocket tunes, I must say that they have an outstanding station
catalogue. It's the best 7 dollars I ever spent on an application. It also has
a really cool feature that prevents the screen from locking when you are
playing a station. The Ipod turns wireless off half an hour after
Hi all,
To experience the following bug, visit a site like www.engadget.com.
Go to one of the story headings and VO right to read it. You will notice that
part of the story reads, but it cuts off and the next thing you see are links
that come at the end. When you VO left arrow, you realize that
Albert,
Keep in mind that starplayr is no longer being updated. This means that, while
you can stream some of sirius's channels, you do not have access to their
online only content, which was added after starplayr's developers moved on to
other things. This also applies to channels updated in r
Hi listers,
I am having a strange problem. I got my mac serviced today, and as part of the
repairs, they replaced the logic board. Now, however, my mac is saying that it
is not authorized for some of my apps on my Ipod touch. It told me if I did not
authorize the machine the apps would be delet
As said before, NTFS 3g is free software for the mac. It allows you to
both read and write in NTFS.
Due to technical limitations in the fat 32 format, this is no longer
recommended for hard drives. I will briefly explain why.
1. Fat 32 does not allow a file to be stored that is larger than 4 gigs
Hi Nick and all,
There is a free program that ads NTFS read and write support to mac. It is
called NTFS 3g. You can get this program and it costs nothing.
The coolest part about it is that, in your disk utility, you have the option to
format drives in NTFS if you so desire.
hth
John
On May
I see a problem with this philosophy. Different people view accessibility in
different ways. For instance, some people would not consider the workout
application posted to this list accessible because of a few unlabeled buttons.
Others would be fine with it. Similarly, I have a few games on the
William,
If you download windows images from torrents, they are usually modified in some
way. They are not the original windows image, either because they have more
drivers/features added to them, or they are a recovery disk for a certain type
of computer. This messes with fusions ability to au
Edward,
For a great demo of voiceover and the mac's web browser, head over to the blind
cool tech web site. Then, search for the words mac demo. I don't want to spoil
it, but one of the really cool things about no buffers is that you get to see
information change on the page dynamically as it h
Guys,
One of the tips in the malware article is to protect yourself by preventing
safari from opening safe files after download. This setting can be changed in
Safari's preferences. Basically, it means that disk images are not
automatically mounted, zip files are not unzipped, etc. This makes s
Hi
Try acqlite. It is accessible. To see the results after performing a search,
arrow right to the last column, and you will be read all the others. For some
reason, the other columns in the table appear blank to voiceover, except for
the last column which summarizes information from all the oth
rly since I am a lawyer with the public defenders office. And
>>> my primary role as an appellate and post-conviction attorney is to write
>>> briefs, with case citations.
>>> I knew about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to others
>>> about t
new about the fusion program, as I have spent time talking to others about
> the program. I didn’t know about the snap shot.
> So thanks.
>
>
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John J Herzog
> Sent: Tuesday, Ap
Hello,
As a macbook user, who has to write substantial papers for law school, and who
has used his computer at a summer internship with Pepsico, I feel I can
helpfully answer your questions.
Forgive the length of this email.
First, the idea that macs are only play toys is complete and utter no
The key language from this article is the following line.
But security experts feel that since the ‘Backdoor’ would need to be installed
by the user himself in order to physically access the machine, the threat from
the malware is quite low.
Bottom line is this. Don't install any cracked progra
Thanks for passing this article along. I think that, for the most part, this
article was fair. They seem to point out both positives and negatives of the
product which is good.
The only area where I have some problems with the article, is that they made to
big of a deal about activating voiceov
Hi listers,
I have the at bat application, and it also keeps closing for me.
Interestingly, I have found a workaround.
If you click on the audio stream you want, and it starts playing, you can then
click the hide button. Next, click back, so that you get into the main screen
of the at bat app
Hi all,
I played with the actual quickbooks for the mac last summer. Most of it is
accessible with VO, but it's not quite useable. You can see all the different
transactions, and you can review all their details with voiceover. However, the
portion where you actually write checks is inaccessibl
Hi all,
Since when did virtual box become accessible? Last time I tried it, nothing
could be read by voiceover. What version did this change in?
John
On Mar 16, 2010, at 5:23 PM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> I know on VMWare when there is a USB device inserted it prompts asking if you
> want to giv
Hi listers,
Check out this exciting article from engadget. They start talking first about a
switch on the IPad, but then they mention voiceover. The article states that
voiceover will read the pages of Ebooks out loud. Click here for this awesome
news.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/12/ipad-m
Hi listers,
I'm having problems running windows 7 under vmware fusion 3.0.1, the latest
version. Specifically, when it's running, windows 7 slows my mac down
considerably. My mac is a 2.4 GHZ core2 duo from 2008 with 2 gigs of ram. Even
with a gig of ram allocated to each system, the performanc
James,
I wanted to add one more remark about pages accessibility. Comments are also
inaccessible. So if you have a document where someone has inserted comments,
you cannot see them in pages.
John
On Feb 12, 2010, at 3:15 PM, James & Nash wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Well from what I have seen so far,
Hi listers,
I want to use my mac's microphone and bluetooth in my windows XP virtual
machine. However, I'm having a rather odd problem. First, I install the drivers
in XP by inserting the snow leopard DVD. Then, I restart the virtual machine
and try connecting the hardware. I get the warning fr
Hi listers,
Do any of you have tips on how to speed up windows 7 performance in fusion 3? I
have a macbook with a 2.4 GHZ core2 DUO processor, and 2 GB of ram. I gave
windows 7 1 GB, which most people say is sufficient. All I can say is that I'm
not impressed. I get lots of choppy sound and stu
ple-K
> to bring up the AV controls. Towards the end of the left column you'll find a
> slider for pitch shift and at the bottom right of the window is another
> slider for playback speed.
>
> CB
>
> John J Herzog wrote:
>>
>> Hi Scott,
>> I may be m
p;ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
> That is a really long URL and may not work.
>
> hth,
>
> On Jan 9, 2010, at 2:03 AM, John J Herzog wrote:
>
>> Hi listers,
>> I have recently gotten my hands on some audio tracks from described videos.
>> They're
Hi listers,
I have recently gotten my hands on some audio tracks from described videos.
They're cool, but because they are from Britain, and were converted from
different video standards, the audio plays at a slightly faster rate than it
should, making voices and music sound weird.
Is there an
Hi all,
Actually, there is a simple and elegant way to share ethernet connections
securely. Basically, go into system preferences, and then click on sharing.
Next, highlight the service of internet sharing in the table, but do not check
the box yet. VO right, and you can choose where your conne
Hi listers,
How can I share my mac's ethernet connection to the airport with security
enabled? Whenever I go into system preferences and enable internet sharing, it
creates a base station with no WEP security. Alternatively, when I try to
create a network by going into the airport menu, I can g
he
> volumes shown underneath it. Highlighting the named volume will give
> you the issue you are getting where the hybrid image is not saved, as
> it will only image that volume rather than the entire disk. Also, this
> is with Snow Leopard, with Leopard the menu items in disk utility are
&
of such a CD and then allow you to burn copies
> from this master. While other products may handle these kind of edge
> cases as well I know Toast in the past did all this but haven't had the
> need for it recently.
>
> CB
>
> John J Herzog wrote:
>> Hi listers,
&g
Hi listers,
I was interested by my odd disk utility problem, and have done research. It
turns out that the cd shows different things on the PC versus the mac because
it is a hybrid. The concept of a hybrid is that it shows only the files
appropriate to ones operating system. The others for diff
Hi listers,
I have a problem with the disk utility, and I was hoping to get some
assistance. Long story short, I want to make images of some old program CDS I
have in my collection. These disks date back to the nineties and are no longer
sold. I want to make images I can use for my windows XP v
Hi
Handbreak will do this job just fine. Just set the video output to none.
John
On Dec 21, 2009, at 2:12 PM, louie wrote:
> Hi all,
> What program are you using to rip audio from a DBD?
> Thank you.
>
> louie
> louiem...@wavecable.com
>
>
>
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> What I understand it will not work on Mac OS.
>
>
>
>
> Sign,
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> joeplum...@tds.net
>
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> information in your originally posted question to give a detailed
> answer, since we don't know about the operating system, your original
> external drive format, and your account access status on the two
> machines, just as a starter.
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers,
>
&
Hi listers,
I have a question about external hard drives and permissions. As a backup, I
would normally copy the folders from my user on the mac, i.e. documents,
videos, etc. to the external hard drive. When attempting to transfer my files
to another computer, I was told I did not have the perm
Esther and list,
I am using the XIPH plugin for ogg vorbis files. It does work with snow
leopard, even though there is no documentation about it.
hth,
John
On Dec 4, 2009, at 1:46 PM, Esther wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Michael Huckabay wrote:
>
>> I am righting to see if enny one knows how to ge
Hi listers,
I want to take some dvds I own, and convert them to avi files. Are there any
accessible programs that do this? I have tried a few, but they do not appear to
be compatible with voiceover.
Thanks,
John
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Lately, whenever I go to www.ebay.com safari immediately crashes. Is anybody
else experiencing this?
Thanks,
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Hi listers,
I have just installed the latest mac update on my system. One thing I have
noticed immediately is that safari seems much more stable. I have not been
getting the safari busy nonsense as I navigate through web pages. Can anybody
else confirm that this bug has been squashed? Or have
and
>> Subject fields. I thought that would have worked also.
>>
>> Les
>> James & Nash wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Can't you do a command A to select them all?
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "John J Herzog"
>>>
Hi list,
I have an email with several peoples email addresses in it. THey show
up as links, but strangely, I cannot highlight them and press command
C to copy them. When I do this, I get an error tone. Since this method
is not available, how do I add all of the addresses to a new message?
Deborah,
I have installed windows multiple times under fusion 2. The process
has remained exactly the same for fusion 3. After the DVD stops
spinning, you need to give it some time. The way the windows install
works is that it first copies many files to your hard drive via the
DVD. Then, it
Hi list,
I found out how to get audio working in SUSE, but first this requires
that it be installed. I have nobody sighted around, and there is no
easy install option via fusion. Thus, I must choose another
distribution. Are there any distros with working sound and the latest
version of gn
ge-
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> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:32 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: slight accessibility issue with fusion 3
>
>
> Hi listers,
> Ha
Hi,
To burn an ISO image on the mac, go to your applications folder. Then,
select utilities, and open disk utility.
When in disk utility, first select a disk in the first table, as if
you don't, you will not see any of the dialogue boxes in the next step.
After having selected a disk, unrelated
Hi listers,
Has anybody had success getting the Open suse live CD running on the
macbook? Specifically, has anybody gotten the talking boot menu to
work? Supposedly there is an initial screen that lets you configure
accessibility options of suse, including starting the desktop with
orca, b
hlight the window do you mean go to it with
> vo or something else?
> On Oct 27, 2009, at 6:32 PM, John J Herzog wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi listers,
>> Having just acquired fusion 3, I thought I would pass my experiences
>> along with voiceover. For the most part, everythi
Hi listers,
Having just acquired fusion 3, I thought I would pass my experiences
along with voiceover. For the most part, everything remains
accessible. However, when running and using your virtual machine,
there is no longer a scroll area. Thus, you cannot VO to the area and
start using t
Hi listers,
Can I edit spreadsheets on google docs with safari? I have tried to do
so, but when I type in text, it does not appear in correct fields. For
instance, I can highlight the cell I want to edit, but somehow when I
type, it appears up in the headers of the sheet and not the correct
Hi May,
Unfortunately, your best bet for games is still windows. In my case, I
use Vmware fusion, and boot into windows. Note that if you do this
with snow leopard, you may want to turn voiceover off completely. In
games such as top speed, shades of doom, and technoshock, your arrow
keys w
Hi listers,
Twice today, I had something odd occur. First, when using textedit, I
was unable to quit the program. It was still responding, and would let
me manipulate text, but I was unable to press command Q. Also, the
quit option was dimmed in the menu bar.
The same thing just happened wit
Hi listers,
For english speaking Ipod touch owners, there are actually two voices
to choose from. One is Samantha, who starts speaking by default.
However, there is another more pleasant sounding Australian female
voice. I think its Karen.
To utilize this voice, without changing much else, d
Hi all,
Has anybody tried Kurzweil 3000 for the mac? I know that K 3000 and k
1000 are closely related, so that program should have both good OCR
and good scanning in one interface. Is this VO accessible at all? And,
other than price, are there any show stopping bugs that would prevent
thi
Hi
I am running skype 2.8, and some of the unlabeled buttons have been
fixed.
hth
John
On Oct 13, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Christina wrote:
>
> Hello List,
>
> How accessible is Skype? I am running version 2.7.0.330. I need to
> be able to video chat with someone in Germany. I have had this
> ver
Hi listers,
I have a question about Vmware fusion. Long story short, I want to
play a windows game online with my friends. However, it requires one
of our machines to be the server. I usually use my machine to do this,
and I just put fusion in bridge mode. Bridge mode means that two
diffe
Look for Nimbuzz in the app store. You can find it there.
Also check out www.nimbuzz.com
On Oct 11, 2009, at 10:30 PM, Simon Cavendish wrote:
>
> Where do you get Nimbuz from?
> On 12 Oct 2009, at 03:13, John J Herzog wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>> Use nimbuzz instead. Nimb
Hi
Use nimbuzz instead. Nimbuzz can log into facebook, AIM, yahoo, google
talk, and skype. It even lets you use your skype out call plan to dial
phone numbers. Perfectly accessible, except the dial pad buttons are
not labeled. But if you know the layout of a telephone, its completely
useab
trying to write a check, you will not hear it say
edit text even once.
On Oct 4, 2009, at 9:41 PM, hank smith wrote:
>
> can't some one lebel the edit fiels in snow leopard?
> - Original Message -
> From: "John J Herzog"
> To:
> Sent: Sunday, October 04,
Hi Ben,
quickbooks 2009 is almost accessible. I say almost, because although
you can view reports successfully, and view when transactions were
made, you cannot write checks on your own. Voiceover does not
recognize the different fields in which you are supposed to type
material. I was goi
Hi Mat,
I am assuming you want to use the caps lock key to run the orca screen
reader. If this is the case, you can remap the caps lock key to the
escape key from within ubuntu itself.
To do this, go into your VM and using orca, look under the system
menu. I think its under system preference
Hi listers,
When I first got pocket tunes, I could click on search, and use it to
find stations all around the country. Recently however, I clicked
search by location just out of curiosity. Now I wish to once again
search the entire catalogue for stations. How do I turn location based
sear
Hi all,
I figured out why my Ipod touch is not going to sleep. Apparently,
when I turn Fring notifications on, it interferes with the devices
ability to remain sleeping. The down side of this, is that I do not
get sounds for incoming messages, calls, etc.
Are there any other accessible ways
Hi listers,
I am experiencing an annoying problem with my Ipod touch. If I no
longer want to play music, I pause the currently playing song.
However, if left alone long enough, the Ipod will resume playing
music, rather than simply sleep. I have the screen set to lock after
five minutes of
Hi listers,
I received my Ipod touch on Tuesday, and everything was working fine
last night. However, when I turned it on today, none of my installed
apps would launch. I would double tap them, but the home screen would
not go away, and the app refused to run.
Long story short, I had to rese
Hi,
I use Fring too. Has anybody else noticed though, that when using
Fring, voice quality is lower than it is on skype?
On Sep 17, 2009, at 5:00 AM, Thuy wrote:
>
> Hi Rebecca. I use Fring, which is an instant messaging/voice over ip
> app which includes skype.
> http://maccessibility.net/iph
Hi listers,
I am currently using a new Ipod touch with voiceover, and I have
several questions.
First, in the mailbox, is there a way to delete messages without first
clicking on each one? If I decide that I do not want the message based
on the subject alone, how can I remove it? Second, and
Hi listers,
In anticipation of my new Ipod touch, I have started searching the app
store to find some cool things I can do with the device. I came across
one that was called wireless airmouse. Supposedly, airmouse turns your
Iphone or Ipod touch into a wireless controller, with buttons speci
Hi listers,
After I installed Itunes 9, I have been experiencing odd behavior.
When I try to play certain songs in my library, I get the following
message. Itunes was unable to play the file because it cannot be
located. Would you like to locate it? If I click yes, I am then taken
to my fi
can't assigng an actual, Open, command. It is a
> suggestion I made to Apple in regard to being able to assign OS X
> keyboard commands to the Braille keys on the BN, such as, open, enter,
> etc..
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John Panarese
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:50 PM, J
ebar and letter o
> on the display for opening applications.
>
>
> Take Care
>
> John Panarese
>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 8:20 PM, John J Herzog wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi listers,
>> I have a question about using the braille note 32 as a display with
>> voi
Hi listers,
I have a question about using the braille note 32 as a display with
voiceover. When my friend hooked hers up, everything worked fine, but
she could not open various programs from the display. According to
voiceover, the routing keys above each cell were supposed to perform
the
Hi,
I have noticed that I cannot click on a machine within fusion as well.
I'm not sure if it's completely broken though.
John
On Sep 5, 2009, at 8:49 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>
> Hi,
> Can anyone confirm that the actual mouse clicking vo-shift-spacebar is
> broken under Snow leopard? For e
PM, Justin Harford wrote:
>
> humm this does not work for me. I actually feel like this worked in
> Leopard, and probably better.
> El Sep 4, 2009, a las 4:43 PM, John J Herzog escribió:
>
>>
>> Hi listers,
>> If you go to google.com, and type in some search terms,
Bug confirmed.
John
On Sep 4, 2009, at 10:26 PM, Howard Dupuis wrote:
>
> Goodness. This is a real problem. I checked it out and got, um, the
> point, if you know what I mean.
> --
>
> On Sep 4, 8:02 pm, Buddy Brannan wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Wonder who can replicate this? It's sort of importa
Hi listers,
If you go to google.com, and type in some search terms, you can now
hit the down arrow to cycle through a list of suggested criteria for
your search. For instance, typing in best selling books might give you
best selling books of 2009, best selling books on Amazon, etc.
To highli
, at 5:23 PM, Anne Robertson wrote:
>
> Hello John,
>
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:58 PM, John J Herzog wrote:
>>
>> I'm currently using Kurzweil 1000 under fusion to handle all my
>> scanning needs. My scanner, which has both an ADF and flatbed works
>> with tw
games do you plauy udner windows/ I too would
> really like to switch to the mac as much as possible,
> greetings, Anouk
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 7:52 PM, John J Herzog wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Anouk,
>> I, too, am a law student. Good luck with Iwork. It seems to resolve
&g
eks, hopefully I
> can get a student discount. Btw a different question do i have to get
> apple stuff on cd, cant you just download it from their site?
> Greetings, Anouk,
> On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:17 PM, John J Herzog wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>> I have noticed the sam
Awesome. This works really well for me. However, the only way I was
able to obtain the extra information was by using VO down arrow after
first arrowing to the menu with option held down.
On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:11 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>
> I found an interesting way to get extra airport sta
Hi listers,
Can anybody confirm the following bug? In your energy saver
preferences, select a time for the display to go to sleep. For this
demonstration, select the time of 1 or 2 minutes. Now, leave voiceover
and your mac alone. Notice that instead of the display sleeping,
voiceover will
Hi,
I have noticed the same behavior you mentioned. It normally occurs on
long documents, and textedit does in deed say busy after arrowing down
each line. It's quite frustrating, but if you have Iwork, it seems to
do a better job.
Note: When I say long documents, I am referring to those tha
cision to leave Windows and JAWS behind, I hadn't been this
> happy before. My biggest problem is that all my playing around is
> cutting into my sleep.
>
> On Aug 30, 8:41 pm, John J Herzog wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> Has anybody noticed that voiceover now gets stuck
Hi listers,
Has anybody noticed that voiceover now gets stuck in submenus in snow
leopard? For instance, when I am in mail, and I go to the mailbox
menu, I can move through the options until I get to the online status
submenu. At this point, hitting the up, down, left, and right arrows
sim
Hi listers,
I am having a problem, and was wondering if anybody else can confirm
this.
Whenever I get a new message from a buddy, I can no longer use the
window chooser menu to get to it. Hitting VO f2 twice after hearing
the pop up sound results in voiceover saying, zero items in window
c
within the coming
> months, and will probably iron out some of the little annoyances we
> find as VoiceOver users.
>
> Take care.
>
> Fonzie
>
> On Aug 29, 2009, at 11:50 AM, John J Herzog wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I'm liking the snow leopard up
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