On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> Vinnie Surmonde wrote:
> > First, I consider that response different from 'Well if you walk down a
> > street in a short skirt after dark aren't you asking for it?' only in
> > degree.
>
> Your militant stand seems to stand on your way of clear sight.
:
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Amanda Knox wrote:
> Agreed. In fact, many men _do_ understand sexism in a way that women do
> not. Some guys get to hear their friends talk about that 'great piece of
> a$$' the other night, or how some b**ch woman got that promotion over
> him, 'cuz she was probably bangin'
>> Us women are not completely innocent, either. The pendulum has swung
>> the other way and it's considered 'okay' by many women to put down men.
>
>I find this extremely sad. :(
It's a bad habit. I don't think a lot of women even realize they do it
(sound familiar?). The comic strip Sylvia has
Jernej Zajc wrote:
(stuff removed)
> And BTW, if you don't let be hurt you cannot be. Admittedly
> this is not easy but it is possible. This also is only a
> suggestion, but you could try it before flaming me back
> again for it not being an option for you.
>
> Nejc
>
> --
> ''Share and Enjoy.
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> Your militant stand seems to stand on your way of clear sight.
> Please don't take this as offense. You are evidently not
> overexaggerating but rather seeing evil in a suggestion that
> was not offered as good one or the right one or any ultimate
> solut
Dakota Surmonde wrote:
>
> On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> > If you can't accept that pin-ups can not be looked at as
> > objectification then please be honest and write down that
> > the subject is simply not debatable for you.
>
> Yes and no. So far the only thing that I can totally
Warning: -horribly- long post though I've tried to snip sections.
I've been reading the entire thread but have been too busy to get
involved, much as I would have liked to, until now. For the record,
I am in agreement with those who see this as more an issue of context
than content. I have no
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Jernej Zajc wrote:
> Ingrid Schupbach wrote:
>
> Firstly, I didn't suggest you change it into a male nick.
> I for one have a neutral one.
> But to the point.
> If I give you some advice which is evidently able only to
> cure the symptoms I don't expect to get strong-worde
> How is this allowed to happen? I realize no one wants to go out and get
> themselves shot,
> and the women are limited in what they can do to help themselves if they
> aren't allowed
> to leave the house, but are all the men just standing by, feeling that
> it doesn't concern
> them? Don't the
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
> >
> > > Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> > > sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
> >
> > Objection, Your Honours! Som
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Nils said:
>
> >Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't,
> ...snip...
>
> >it). Some people might consider your statement a rather sexist one,
> >don't you think? Just because a relevant share of males are
> chauvinist pigs,
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto wrote:
> ae wrote:
> >> Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> >> sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
>
> nils wrote:
> > Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
> > the same
Nicole said:
>What was this society like before the militia group came in? Tribal
African, Muslim (lots of Africa has Muslim influences), Christian?
It sounds like the women had a fair degree of freedom before:
another quote from the website:
Prior to the Civil War and Taliban control, e
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> Do the women with children in this culture have husbands or do they have
> children on their own? If they have husbands, I do not understand why it
> is so vital that the women beg or work. Except in comparison to our own
> society... then we find it
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Nils said:
> >
> > >Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't,
> > ...snip...
> >
> > >it). Some people might consider your statement a rather sexist one,
> > >don't you think
While I agree that having a bunch of screenshots showing semi-clad
women can be unwelcoming, I do not think they should be done with.
After all, these are their idea of a cool theme, right? So, the
women (or gay men, etc.) should come up with their own themes.
Ones that would be more pleasing to t
Cat said:
>I would personally find it more important for men to object to the
sexism
>that takes place out of women's earshot. I can defend myself, true,
>and I would prefer to do so rather than have some guy jump in and do it
>for me (in most cases). The place to combat it would be behind the
>Perhaps. But after you hear "women can't do xx" (where xx is usually
This is called "transference". Who the hell has said anything about women
not being able to do things? We're talking about themes, and scantily-clad
people in such, NOT your built-up angst over somethign random.
/Yo
>unfriendly atmosphere if I walk into a place that has girlie pictures all
>over the walls. I do not think that most places (unless clearly
>demarcated) that are inviting to both males and females generally have
>adult pictures plastered up.
Yah, gee, what fun.
"Are those pictures clearly dema
>(and those of us who LIKE women too) are not allowed to appreciate the
>female body, to take sexy pictures and share them with the world, or
Appreciating the female body is sexist, didn't you know?
None of us have genitals, and if we did, we wouldn't be able to use them.
/You've had a vis
>There *is* an Adult section, and anything relating to nakedness is put
>there. Problem solved. I don't believe its necessary to take it a step
>further, and tell people not to put images of models in their screenshots.
I already pointed this out and was promptly ignored. Possibly because it
>does a model apply (and the model isn't ms. pac man)?
Have you seen her in her lingerie shots?
Oh baby.
Brendan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Cat said:
> >I would personally find it more important for men to object to the
> sexism
> >that takes place out of women's earshot. I can defend myself, true,
> >and I would prefer to do so rather than have some guy jump in and do it
>
> >for me (in most cases). Th
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> >unfriendly atmosphere if I walk into a place that has girlie pictures all
> >over the walls. I do not think that most places (unless clearly
> >demarcated) that are inviting to both males and females generally have
> >adult pictures plastered up.
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Appreciating the female body is sexist, didn't you know?
> None of us have genitals, and if we did, we wouldn't be able to use them.
for the record, I don't believe anyone has said this
(though I've been accused of being sexist for *only* appreciat
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> I already pointed this out and was promptly ignored. Possibly because it
> made sense and didn't give anyone room to argue annoying "I'm an oppressed
> minority in a hard, hard world" points.
Actually, the issue that there is an adult section has
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Those should be categorized under adult for anything involving unclad
> bodies...Lump it into the Adult category, and then subdivide for
> "scantily-clad, nude, sex"
that doens't solve for the problem...I'm just revisiting this because you
said tha
>What did you think I meant? Fancy borders? Your comment was sort of
>unclear.
It was unclear because it was humor. Or attempting to be such.
Brendan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linuxchix.org
>Actually, the issue that there is an adult section has been brought up and
>discussed many times. The themes we are discussing are not 'adult' themes.
If you were paying attention, you would have seen that I wasn't posting
about "adult" themes either. I was talking about ANY theme with "adul
> > Appreciating the female body is sexist, didn't you know?
> > None of us have genitals, and if we did, we wouldn't be able to use them.
>
>
>for the record, I don't believe anyone has said this
For the record, no one seems to understand any sort of humor. We all seem
to be so locked into P
>the (big) problem is that there are a lot of
>not-necessarily-purposeful-or-noticed-by-most-of-the-community issues that
>make the community less 'safe' for women...
God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
>the (smaller) problem is that when they are brought u
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> > > Appreciating the female body is sexist, didn't you know?
> > > None of us have genitals, and if we did, we wouldn't be able to use them.
> >
> >
> >for the record, I don't believe anyone has said this
>
>
> For the record, no one seems to unders
Brendan --
Do you honestly think that sexism doesn't exist? Or that it does but it
is not a problem worth talking about? You have not stated this sentiment
in so many words, but you do seem to be expressing it. Is this intended?
Cat
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> >the (bi
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> If you were paying attention, you would have seen that I wasn't posting
> about "adult" themes either. I was talking about ANY theme with "adult"
> content.
Please re read comments about what the real problems here are...
not to mention, why do y
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >the (big) problem is that there are a lot of
> >not-necessarily-purposeful-or-noticed-by-most-of-the-community issues that
> >make the community less 'safe' for women...
>
> God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
I
Taylor wrote:
> Admit it: men aren't the only ones who objectify. Almost every
> woman I know (myself included) is more than willing to talk about
> the finer points of Mel G.'s rear, or movies where you get the
> absolute best exposure of David D.'s hiney. We aren't delicate
> little flowers, a
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> > > Appreciating the female body is sexist, didn't you know?
> > > None of us have genitals, and if we did, we wouldn't be able to use them.
> >for the record, I don't believe anyone has said this
> For the record, no one seems to understand any sor
Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> > > Appreciating the female body is sexist, didn't you know?
> > > None of us have genitals, and if we did, we wouldn't be able to use them.
> >
> >
> >for the record, I don't believe anyone has said this
>
> For the record, no one seems to understand any sort of humor
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
How is this not an *actual* problem?
> Millions have problems with spontaneously mutating into dogs, deny it and
> you're just part of the cover-up, man!
Would you like to of
Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> >There *is* an Adult section, and anything relating to nakedness is put
> >there. Problem solved. I don't believe its necessary to take it a step
> >further, and tell people not to put images of models in their screenshots.
>
> I already pointed this out and was prompt
Brendan/Coolian wrote:
>
> >the (big) problem is that there are a lot of
> >not-necessarily-purposeful-or-noticed-by-most-of-the-community issues that
> >make the community less 'safe' for women...
>
> God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
Funny. Seems to me
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> For the record, no one seems to understand any sort of humor. We all seem
> to be so locked into Politically Correct mode...
There has been appreciated humor on here, it's mostly that YOU seem to
have a communications problem with other people here
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >the (big) problem is that there are a lot of
> >not-necessarily-purposeful-or-noticed-by-most-of-the-community issues that
> >make the community less 'safe' for women...
>
> God, how I wish a few of you people had ACTUAL problems to Talk about...
N
On Sun, 24 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Actually, the only person I've ever discussed this kind of issue with
> is my husband. I've *never* been part of a group of women (or a group
> of men, or a mixed group) who discusses such things. About guys OR
> girls.
Frankly, I find talk about t
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Dakota Surmonde wrote:
> > Millions have problems with spontaneously mutating into dogs, deny it and
> > you're just part of the cover-up, man!
>
> Would you like to offer some proof that 'millions are spontaneiously
> mutating into dogs'?
I think you missed that he's sayi
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 21:08:01 -0400, Brendan/Coolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>For the record, no one seems to understand any sort of humor. We all
>seem to be so locked into Politically Correct mode...
Or, more likely, your attempts at humor are just really bad.
Kelly
[EMAIL PRO
> That's mostly widows or divorced women (IIRC a muslim in countries like
> Iran(sp?), Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan can divorce from his wife just by
> speaking it out three times, can someone please yell "Middle Ages"?).
I'm not sure if that's quite right... but it is REALLY easy for the man
to d
> >Perhaps. But after you hear "women can't do xx" (where xx is usually
>
> This is called "transference". Who the hell has said anything about women
> not being able to do things? We're talking about themes, and scantily-clad
> people in such, NOT your built-up angst over somethign random.
We
> I already pointed this out and was promptly ignored. Possibly because it
> made sense and didn't give anyone room to argue annoying "I'm an oppressed
> minority in a hard, hard world" points.
Check again. There is no adult section. Someone else pointed that out,
but you seem to have ignored it
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> I don't think it is valid to say that just because s.th. is "culture",
> that it's right.
likewise it's not valid to refute any cultural mechanism... I see this
often in religious arguments... and well, the refutation of all
social/psychological devi
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> >Perhaps. But after you hear "women can't do xx" (where xx is usually
>
>
> This is called "transference". Who the hell has said anything about women
> not being able to do things? We're talking about themes, and scantily-clad
> people in such,
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Brendan/Coolian wrote:
> Appreciating the female body is sexist, didn't you know?
> None of us have genitals, and if we did, we wouldn't be able to use them.
or we'd have to respect others who might have ideas about sex that aren't
quite the same as us...
or do you think t
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Dakota Surmonde wrote:
> not to mention, why do you want to put all 'adult' content in one place?
so that if you want to avoid it you *can*
otherwise you just happen to come across it... when it's too late
like a football game, we put walls and grand stands and big march
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