On Mon, 25 Oct 1999, Kelly Lynn Martin wrote:
> Every cultural group should be free to make its own choices amongst
> morally neutral practices (the classic example of this being whether
> one cremates or buries one's dead); but no cultural group has any
> right to maintain a morally reprehensibl
On Mon, 25 Oct 1999 20:43:02 +0200 (CEST), Nils Philippsen
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>I didn't mean that. If someone wants to belive in a certain religion,
>that's fine. But to shove religion down people's throats whether they
>want it or not is not my thing. That "law/justice positivism"
>(word
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Cat wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[snip]
> > > I hope you will also speak out whenever you hear males being sexist -
> >
> > In general yes. Sometimes (depends on if the person put down can handle it
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> I'm not sure if that's quite right... but it is REALLY easy for the man
> to divorce women (like if they don't bear children) but very difficult
> to go the other way (the man has to be a pretty big bastard).
Kinda depends on what country you look a
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, TeknoDragon wrote:
> On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
>
> > I don't think it is valid to say that just because s.th. is "culture",
> > that it's right.
>
> likewise it's not valid to refute any cultural mechanism... I see this
> often in religious arguments... an
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> I don't think it is valid to say that just because s.th. is "culture",
> that it's right.
likewise it's not valid to refute any cultural mechanism... I see this
often in religious arguments... and well, the refutation of all
social/psychological devi
> That's mostly widows or divorced women (IIRC a muslim in countries like
> Iran(sp?), Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan can divorce from his wife just by
> speaking it out three times, can someone please yell "Middle Ages"?).
I'm not sure if that's quite right... but it is REALLY easy for the man
to d
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Cat said:
> >I would personally find it more important for men to object to the
> sexism
> >that takes place out of women's earshot. I can defend myself, true,
> >and I would prefer to do so rather than have some guy jump in and do it
>
> >for me (in most cases). Th
Cat said:
>I would personally find it more important for men to object to the
sexism
>that takes place out of women's earshot. I can defend myself, true,
>and I would prefer to do so rather than have some guy jump in and do it
>for me (in most cases). The place to combat it would be behind the
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Nils said:
> >
> > >Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't,
> > ...snip...
> >
> > >it). Some people might consider your statement a rather sexist one,
> > >don't you think
On Sat, 23 Oct 1999, Nicole Zimmerman wrote:
> Do the women with children in this culture have husbands or do they have
> children on their own? If they have husbands, I do not understand why it
> is so vital that the women beg or work. Except in comparison to our own
> society... then we find it
Nicole said:
>What was this society like before the militia group came in? Tribal
African, Muslim (lots of Africa has Muslim influences), Christian?
It sounds like the women had a fair degree of freedom before:
another quote from the website:
Prior to the Civil War and Taliban control, e
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Neil ''Fred'' Picciotto wrote:
> ae wrote:
> >> Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> >> sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
>
> nils wrote:
> > Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
> > the same
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Nils said:
>
> >Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't,
> ...snip...
>
> >it). Some people might consider your statement a rather sexist one,
> >don't you think? Just because a relevant share of males are
> chauvinist pigs,
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
> >
> > > Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> > > sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
> >
> > Objection, Your Honours! Som
> How is this allowed to happen? I realize no one wants to go out and get
> themselves shot,
> and the women are limited in what they can do to help themselves if they
> aren't allowed
> to leave the house, but are all the men just standing by, feeling that
> it doesn't concern
> them? Don't the
>> Us women are not completely innocent, either. The pendulum has swung
>> the other way and it's considered 'okay' by many women to put down men.
>
>I find this extremely sad. :(
It's a bad habit. I don't think a lot of women even realize they do it
(sound familiar?). The comic strip Sylvia has
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Amanda Knox wrote:
> Agreed. In fact, many men _do_ understand sexism in a way that women do
> not. Some guys get to hear their friends talk about that 'great piece of
> a$$' the other night, or how some b**ch woman got that promotion over
> him, 'cuz she was probably bangin'
Amanda Knox wrote:
> However,
> it saddens me to see a woman hide everything about herself that is
'feminine' in
> order to fit in to a male-dominated community,
I realize that the issue below wasn't what Amanda probably meant, but
it certainly gives a whole new meaning to hiding one's "feminini
Amanda Knox wrote:
> Anyway, I get kind of tired of hearing how only women get sexist comments. Men
> get a lot of it, too, and often they don't get as much support when they try and
> stick up for themselves.
Yup. I know Dancer gets a fair bit of anti-male comment and discrimination.
It's
a l
Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
>
> > Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> > sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
>
> Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
> the same as with females (though
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, Deirdre Saoirse wrote:
> Those women who don't grok sexism are even MORE difficult to explain it to
> imho.
or more frustrating, at least
or maybe they just put on the 180 degree blinders
(I've been guilty of that more than once)
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ae wrote:
> But when it comes at me from a geek, that group that I finally thought I
> belonged to. When that place where I can reduce my guard and talk my
> mind, and sure, get challenged and argued with (thank god) but as a human
> being, when I see evidence of playground smut there, well it c
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
>
> > Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> > sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
>
> Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't,
It wasn't whether or no
Nils said:
>Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't,
...snip...
>it). Some people might consider your statement a rather sexist one,
don't
>you think? Just because a relevant share of males are chauvinist pigs,
>this doesn't mean that this is true for all males.
If you a
On Fri, 22 Oct 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
>
> > Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> > sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
>
> Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
> the same as
ae wrote:
>> Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
>> sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
nils wrote:
> Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
> the same as with females (though I think more females than males will
> und
On Thu, 21 Oct 1999, ae wrote:
> Explaining sexism to a male is really difficult, though gay/bi men will
> sometimes understand if they are gorgeous.
Objection, Your Honours! Some males grasp sexism and some don't, it's just
the same as with females (though I think more females than males will
u
At 01:39 PM 10/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Ingrid and AE:
>
>Very well-spoken.
>To me, the idea of changing your "nick" to stop sexist comments is bull.
>Right on sistahs!
>
>Naomi
>
>
(took some good stuff out sigh:)
I agree why hide, why have to have no fun, no courage and even worse a dull
na
Ingrid and AE:
Very well-spoken.
To me, the idea of changing your "nick" to stop sexist comments is bull.
Right on sistahs!
Naomi
At 12:52 PM 10/21/99 , you wrote:
>Hello.
>
>Quick introduction. My name is Alice, I'm a programmer (c/unix) and I'm
>English.
>
>This is with regard to rece
Hello.
Quick introduction. My name is Alice, I'm a programmer (c/unix) and I'm
English.
This is with regard to recent posts about sexual images in the Linux
world.
I think my feelings are rooted in a childish "I don't want to be left
out".
I am all for freedom of speech - even hate mongering
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