Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread jenn
Melanie Draper wrote: > I think the question at hand here is, do we discuss issues that are unisex, > or are > they just female-oriented? (yes btw, I'm new... in fact I've been listening > for about > a week so far.) Welcome. :) grrltalk: we discuss anything. No limits, other than preferably

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread jenn
Mary Gardiner wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 07:41:11AM +0100, Gina Lanik wrote: > >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:03:08 +1100, Mary Gardiner writes: >> >>> I must say I'm surprising at the lack of 'Hey chix wanna get some' posts >>> - have these people ever appeared on Linuxchix? >> >> um, one pl

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread jenn
Gina Lanik wrote: > um, excuse me, maybe I didn't get your point but what is wrong about > RTFM? A naked RTFM is not terribly helpful - an RTFM which consists solely of 'oh, just read the fscking manual'. An RTFM of the sort you described 'man whatever has the information you need, in the

RE: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Melanie Draper
>I'm sure the lack-of-confidence and second-guessing, if any goes on here, is specifically a 'woman thing', but I don't know about the hands-on >or intuitive thing--I think that might be just me. Anybody have any ideas on that? >psyche I think that it's not necessarily a 'woman thing' I'm quit

RE: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Melanie Draper
I think the question at hand here is, do we discuss issues that are unisex, or are they just female-oriented? (yes btw, I'm new... in fact I've been listening for about a week so far.) I also dig the idea for a split techtalk forum (Beginner/Advanced), it's the best method to achieving the goals o

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Gina Lanik
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:00:55 +1100, Mary Gardiner writes: [snipped] >I think that the reason there are men who answer is that they are >attracted to a help forum that doesn't have any of the RTFM bullshit >(which manual huh?). Only men who've been around Linux for a while know >this nastiness, the

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 07:41:11AM +0100, Gina Lanik wrote: > On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:03:08 +1100, Mary Gardiner writes: > >I must say I'm surprising at the lack of 'Hey chix wanna get some' posts > >- have these people ever appeared on Linuxchix? > > um, one place I encounter this behaviour every

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Gina Lanik
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 09:03:08 +1100, Mary Gardiner writes: >I must say I'm surprising at the lack of 'Hey chix wanna get some' posts >- have these people ever appeared on Linuxchix? um, one place I encounter this behaviour every now and then is on IRC - the male beings around here in vienna.at (j

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Wed, Mar 21, 2001 at 11:55:33AM +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've a tendancy to not-answer unless I am absolutely certain I > know the answer, or there's not been an answer for 12 hours or so. > > So if the guys don't have those hesitations, and other women do > the same thing I do... th

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Laurel Fan
Excerpts from linuxchix: 21-Mar-101 Re: [issues] Conversation m.. by [EMAIL PROTECTED] > I've a tendancy to not-answer unless I am absolutely certain I > know the answer, or there's not been an answer for 12 hours or so. > > Can anyone explain to me why I do that? Maybe because if there's a r

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Amy Alexander
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I've a tendancy to not-answer unless I am absolutely certain I > know the answer, or there's not been an answer for 12 hours or so. > > So if the guys don't have those hesitations, and other women do > the same thing I do... that's why it seems to

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread jenn
Mary Gardiner wrote: > I ask questions on techtalk and go unanswered... (most are about quite > specific uses of quite specific programs). Unanswered on techtalk usually means noone on the list has the answer - I try to read every question. Don't always succeed, but try. > I try to post answe

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread jenn
Jenny Brown (was Gable) wrote: > To that extent, it's been somewhat helpful, but not as much as > I expected. Mainly, I think, it's because I see women asking > questions and guys answering... and they're still the experts... > It's hard to summarize though because there just hasn't been > that

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 04:28:20PM -0600, Jenny Brown (was Gable) wrote: > To that extent, it's been somewhat helpful, but not as much as > I expected. Mainly, I think, it's because I see women asking > questions and guys answering... and they're still the experts... > It's hard to summarize thou

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread psyche
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Jenny Brown (was Gable) wrote: > > It doesn't bother me that there are guys on linuxchix... I just > wish there were more outspoken women! :) I'm not in much of > a position to contribute though, as I'm still a beginniner with > linux myself; my talents are in programmin

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Jenny Brown (was Gable)
I came to linuxchix as a way to counter internalized stereotypes... I'm female, have been a programmer for years, but still have trouble sometimes considering other women to be technically competant... So, I came as a way to see (with my very own eyes) that the stereotype was wrong. And thus, to

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Naomi Hospodarsky
sorta reminds me of that t-shirt: Ladies' Sewing Circle And Terrorist Society. At 09:03 AM 3/21/2001 +1100, you wrote: >(a friend of mine claims that needlework is >one of the better ways of creating a women's space, men just aren't >interested and it doesn't look subversive),

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread psyche
On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Rick Scott wrote: > Anyway, part of the reason that I bring this up is because I feel as > though I've been doing a whole heck of a lot of the posting to > techtalk lately. [1] I'm pretty new here, and don't have a lot > of historical perspective - what does everyone think

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread psyche
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The fact that issues has been so quiet since the FAQ was written worries > me. :( > Too bad, since the FAQ has lots of good stuff in it to spark more discussion. The part about taking girls to the science center and encouraging them to be intere

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Mary Gardiner
On Tue, Mar 20, 2001 at 10:50:42AM -0500, Rick Scott wrote: > Anyway, part of the reason that I bring this up is because I feel as > though I've been doing a whole heck of a lot of the posting to > techtalk lately. [1] I'm pretty new here, and don't have a lot > of historical perspective - what d

Re: [issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread jenn
Rick Scott wrote: > In the course of writing up a paper for a philosophy course some > time ago, one of the interesting things that came up is the claim > that men tend to `dominate' conversations -- they speak for more > of the time and interrupt more often. Good discussion topic. :) > Online

[issues] Conversation monopolization

2001-03-20 Thread Rick Scott
In the course of writing up a paper for a philosophy course some time ago, one of the interesting things that came up is the claim that men tend to `dominate' conversations -- they speak for more of the time and interrupt more often. Online, woman-only fora are (the claim goes) are frequently sub