Mentor vs. Shepherd

Nicola and others, I note in the DraftPolicy document you have done a s/shepherd/mentor/g. Is this our final call on the title for these people? I.e. should I make the same change to the Process Description? Cheers, Berin

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

Sam Ruby wrote: Can I ask that you document the process of updating the site? Looks like it's already there, but not very obvious. I will add to the side-bar, but in the interim : http://incubator.apache.org/updating_docs.html I want to make sure that there is a set of requirements for what sta

Auto-update of incubator site

Peoples, Is there a cron job anywhere that auto-updates the incubator site out of CVS? http://incubator.apache.org/updating_docs.html doesn't mention one, but at the same time doesn't indicate that you have to log into the site to do a "cvs up". If there isn't - does anyone mind if I set up a

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

Sam Ruby wrote: I'm under the weather, and a little irritable, but this is starting to get under my skin. I am trying to follow http://incubator.apache.org/process.html I have asked for this to be updated. I have asked for information on how I can update this. Sam, I am 90% of the way through

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

All, FWIW - the following is the extract (at time of writing) from the draft Policy document relating to the current discussion. I am about to move this into the drafts section of the site, so people can start hacking within CVS. Cheers, Berin = Podling Constraints = == Branding == P

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

David Jencks wrote: As podlings are not yet fully accepted as part of the Apache Software Foundation, any software releases (including code held in publically available CVS) made by Podlings will not be endorsed by the ASF. Podlings in Incubation SHALL NOT perform any releases of software

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

Noel J. Bergman wrote: The draft seems to be using RFC 2119 (http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt) terminology. If so, let's please reference the RFC early in the document so that readers can find the operation definitions (thus establishing common volcabulary). Whoops. There is a line in there :

Re: [PROPOSAL] fold incubator-site into incubator CVS ( Re: Posting and tracking project tasks )

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Since there seems to be agreement that we should have some sort of Mentor reporting to the PMC, it would be easy for Mentors to update the STATUS file at every report. Does this sound reasonable? +1. One is a tool, the other is the processed information. The PMC proba

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

Stephen McConnell wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: is an effort undergoing incubation at the Apache Software Foundation (ASF), sponsored by the . Incubation is required of all newly accepted projects until a further review indicates that the infrastructure, communications, and decision

Re: Disclaimer text for incubated projects

Noel J. Bergman wrote: Whoops. There is a line in there : "Where capitalised, these terms are to be used as per the definitions found in RFC 2119 (Reference)." So I think I was thinking (which is a lot of thinking) the same thing :>. Will fix. Fix what? Looks like you already did it. I was l

Re: STATUS file compared/contrasted with an issue tracker

Noel J. Bergman wrote: cycle. If the project chooses to copy the STATUS items into an issue tracker so that they'll receive periodic reminders of outstanding items, that would be their choice, but the only official document would be the STATUS file. Since you want to use XML, if the XML were def

Re: STATUS file compared/contrasted with an issue tracker

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: BTW, I wrote two mails about it on this list, did you miss them? I mean, are we still having problems with mails? I seem to be getting the odd mail bounced after five days of trying? Cheers, Berin

Re: New proposed incubator CVS layout

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Here is the layout I am now working on: - build/ (the built site) - site/ (the site docs) - resources/ (forms,project logos,etc) In the root we will have: skinconf.xml (needed for forrest) forrest.properties (needed for forrest) status.xml

Re: Proposal: Sponsor becomes Mentor

> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The name "Sponsoring Entity" is wierd, and the more I think of it, the > more it seems artificial. Yup. It was the best I could think of at the time :<. > > What we need is something that sponsors the project, and will accept it, > and someone

Re: minimum advance notice for "review of activity"?

Rodney Waldhoff wrote: Under , we state: "The Incubator PMC SHALL inform Podlings of review dates at least 4 weeks in advance." and that "At least one week prior to each revie

Re: How to manage change in the Incubator rules

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Because of this, I would suggest that we remove the "draft" status on our policy docs and simply use them as our guide, that will change in need without having to go through tedious votes when there is good consensus. Objections? None - although by taking the "draft"

Common naming accross policy/process/roles

Peoples, In line with what I have seen in the last couple of weeks on preferred terms I have updated the Policy/Process and Roles and Responsibilities documents so that we have : Champion (was Sponsor) - the Apache Member (or member of a Sponsoring PMC) who champions a new candidate prior to b

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

> From: Nicola Ken Barozzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What about simply: > > Sponsor (was Sponsoring Entity) - the PMC or Board that accepts a > candidate for incubation. > > Mentor (was Shepherd and Sponsor) - the Apache Member (or member of a > Sponsoring PMC) who champions a new candidate and

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

> From: Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Champion (was Sponsor) - the Apache Member (or member of a Sponsoring > > PMC) who champions a new candidate prior to being accepted by a Sponsor. > > Who has any idea what this actually means without looking up the > definition? Why not call it what

RE: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

> From: "Noel J. Bergman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Remind me, please. With respect to Sponsor, why not just say that the > Sponsor is either a Member or a PMC (via the PMC Chair or a Member who is a > PMC member)? If a PMC is bringing a project for incubation, it would be the > Sponsor. If a Membe

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

BTW - Have checked changes in - how do I update the site? Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: My understanding was that there will always be a PMC (or the board) that accepts a candidate on behalf of the ASF. Where there is no Sponsor, the Incubator PMC acts in that role and votes to accept the candidate (

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: In essence, I agree that we should not change the current meaning of Sponsor, that is exactly what you mean. Ahh - violent agreement :>. Absolutely not...for the policy. In the policy document it is only mentioned right at the start as there being a requirement for an

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

Leo Simons wrote: Hi gang, Okay, okay, I'm exaggerating. Its real cool there's people volunteering to write all this stuff, and the drafts are not *that* formal. I'm just suggesting we make it easy for ourselves and don't try to write "perfect" and "waterproof" docs. We just need "good enough". ba

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I also want to make sure that we well know where things stand in every incubation moment, as there has been enough confusion withdouble-triple PMC concurrent votes. +1 That said, I also think that we need *one* document to guide us, and all the rest should be simply d

Re: Common naming accross policy/process/roles

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Hmmm... policy... guidance... really, I may seem paranoid, but they don't spark a clear distinction in my head. Guideance to me is not a word that I would take to mean that something is a set of rules. It definitely sparks a very clear distinction for me. I want to

Going on a trip!

Peoples, Just to let you know that I'll be travelling for the next two weeks with the family. Almost no access to e-mail, so if I don't reply to e-mail, I'm not being rude :>. Cheers, Berin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [E

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

Nicola, I suppose the only slight reservation would be who is accountable? The old "Fred Bloggs is looking after that" can kick in. I think the Incubator PMC also wants to be able to hold people accountable for inubation activities. Gets harder with multiple people. Does it have to be forma

Re: [RT] Multiple Mentors

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: Nicola, I suppose the only slight reservation would be who is accountable? The old "Fred Bloggs is looking after that" can kick in. I think the Incubator PMC also wants to be able to hold people accountable for inubation activit

Re: Add 'practice' PMC structure to projects in incubation

Roy, Thankyou. Read with great interest, and it put a few things into perspective. Particularly the fact that to me the Practice PMCs made no sense from my perspective (based in the XML project's world). I think I now understand why. Couple of things came to mind whilst I was ruminating on

Re: [VOTE] Incubate Apache Ruper (was about Repo)

+1 (Still curious about project Wonka) Cheers, Berin Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Since the "repo" moniker has a bad connotation to some, given that this is meant to be an implamantation of the repository effort, and since Rupert is too common in google, I change the proposed name to Ruper

Re: [VOTE] Official Name for "Geronimo" Project

Sam Ruby wrote: The inevitable result of these two factors is an interminable discussion on the naming of a project. IMHO, the right answer is *not* to buck this up to the incubator PMC, or to members, or *gasp* to the board. A much better approach would be: 1) Have the incubator PMC identify

Re: [RT] Incubator Reorg

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: I've put it this way on the wiki proposal, it should suffice: "Incubator PMC members not engaged in active discussion and development on a project are on the project PPMC in quality of observers. They should refrain from voting on PPMC decisions unless really necessary

Re: Looking for help from incubation

Ceki, Realising that you don't necessarily need someone from the Incubator, I'd still be interested in helping out with the log4cxx piece. I need something like this elsewhere, so it seems like a perfect match. Cheers, Berin Ceki Gülcü wrote: Hello, We are looking for a member of the

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

Nicola, I only have one overall thought (and you're going to think it remarkable picky, especially at this late stage :>). As an aside - is this on the wiki somewhere where we can do a bit of wordsmithing (if you don't object at such a late date :<. Am also happy to play around once it is on

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] PPMCs for Incubating Projects

Cancel question about wiki - should have looked first. Apologies - and a very Merry Christmas! Cheers, Berin Berin Lautenbach wrote: Nicola, I only have one overall thought (and you're going to think it remarkable picky, especially at this late stage :>). As an aside - is thi

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Noel J. Bergman wrote: Rodney Waldhoff wrote: The notion of automatically accepting projects already accepted by a sponsor seems like a good one. It's not very clear from the process docs that this is the case. As said before, the docs are in need of a major overhaul. Hopefully, somewhere in t

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: The current mechanism assumes that designated Mentors are the ones that have decided to be there, and we may assume that is there are enough Mentors, they will be there or tell us that they cannot do it anymore. If we don't have explicit Mentors... how does it work? MH

Re: [RESULT][VOTE] Re: request for incubation: axion database project

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: ... I note that at the moment we have reserved the right for the Incubator PMC to vote if so desired. Does everyone think we should remove that potential out of the policy? I think so now. It should not be of our business to challenge the

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Noel, No - I agree :>. My comments about a mentor is nothing to do with Status files or the like. It's all about having one formal link between the current ASF and the particular project in incubation. In fact that person doing all the status reports etc. I would see as counterproductive, fo

Help!

Nicola/Noel et al, I started playing with the PPMC text, just to wordsmith a tiny bit and flesh out a few things, and realised I don't understand the entire intent :>. I had been seeing the PPMC as the "PMC to be" - so to speak. I think that is the case for the projects that will become TLPs,

Re: Help!

Noel J. Bergman wrote: will all developers be on a PPMC? I wouldn't think so - I would have thought it would be like a normal TLP, where those who are guiding the project (hopefully nearly all committers - but not necessarily) will be on the PMC. All active Committers should be on the PPMC, jus

Re: Help!

Noel J. Bergman wrote: So what does the extra "P" stand for now? Actually nothing. But since everyone keeps asking, I consulted Mr. Roget. Two choices could be "provisional" and "possible" -- as adjectives for the project, not the committee. Personally, I would not bother to expand the acronym

Re: PPMCs and oversight

through :>. Cheers, Berin Noel J. Bergman wrote: Berin Lautenbach wrote: When the Incubator is coming up for its own quarterly report, I think that the Incubator Chair can send out a reminder to each PPMC list reminding them. The PMC, for its part, can and should make sure that there is

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Aaron Bannert wrote: Why must it be one person? The entire Incubator PMC is responsible, so why should we limit this to one person? Not saying there should be only one mentor (in fact I would argue against it). But I do think it important to have *identified* mentors. Having said that, I contin

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Aaron Bannert wrote: On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 03:43:56PM +1100, Berin Lautenbach wrote: I'm confused by what you are saying. Do you believe there should be one person in an authoritative position for each PPMC or not? I am strongly against having "roles" within the ASF. Roles go

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Aaron Bannert wrote: I should finally add that we have basically agreed also that the PPMC is made of all PMC members and all the committers+landing PMC members, but that only the mentors must always be subscribed to the ppmc and dev mailing lists. Yuck, this is terminology overkill. We reall

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: IIUC this is what ATM we agree upon: The role of Mentor is a self-selecting title (eg. anyone wishing to become a Mentor and has the title to be one as described in our policy just adds themselves to the projects/index webpage + the project status page and joins the PP

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Noel J. Bergman wrote: I disagree. I believe that with the PPMC structure in place, we should hold the PPMC accountable, just as every PMC is accountable. We need to ensure that the PPMC members are well aware of the responsibility of the PPMC, and that it is accountable. I think that instillin

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: The role of the incubator is to actively oversite projects coming on board. Unless we have someone we can point to who is doing that active oversite and reporting any issues, then I believe we cannot (as easily) show oversite. Doesn't work this way. At work, I show

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Leo Simons wrote: IMHO, as long as a project still requires a "point man" (or as long as the PMC still requires such a person in order to be kept up to date of what is happening in the directory project), the project is not ready for graduation. Absolutely! A good test of maturity. If the mentor

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Leo Simons wrote: Absolutely! A good test of maturity. If the mentor is doing absolutely nothing and things are going well, then there is no need for a mentor and quite possibly no need for the project to be in incubation anymore. Exactly! So you are saying there should be a single lias

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Aaron Bannert wrote: It's a start. But you also need the landing PMC members. What's a landing PMC member? Where the code is to go into an existing project, then the PMC of pre-existing project is the landing PMC. E.g. XML-Beans is set to enter the XML project once it leaves the icnubator, s

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Noel J. Bergman wrote: Healthy ASF Projects are neither leaderless nor headless. They are run by multiple heads -- individuals participating as peers -- converging on a consensus. Sometimes things may take longer than one person acting on their own, but it often means a better result, and it ens

Re: PPMCs and oversight

Noel J. Bergman wrote: Now ... why not designate people beforehand to provide corrective action(s)? Perhaps for the reasons that Sam is often quiet as a PMC Chair, or Greg is very careful about which e-mail address he uses. Because they have found that it *does* make a difference. Once you desig

Re: [VOTE] Granting committer status to log4net developers

Ceki Gülcü wrote: What is it we are voting access for here? Is it to the overall logging project repository? To a CVS module for the log4net code that is to be created? I am inclined to create a new CVS module for log4net and for each sub-project. If a log4-X committer wants to commit a pat

Re: [VOTE] graduate MerlinDeveloper from incubation

Leo Simons wrote: I propose we release MerlinDeveloper from incubation and allow avalon to import the code. Please place your votes: [x] +1 -- yes - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Request for graduation

> On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 01:15, Malte S. Stretz wrote: >> Where do I find that module? At least via anoncvs I can't find it and >> (I think) I have only SVN and no CVS access. > > Crap. Ok, just for the record, the SA guys have been ginea pigs with > respect to SVN only accounts. It looks like i

Re: Project Documentation

Noel, Moved to general (per your suggestion :>), >> ROFL - A chance for my favourite hobby horse! Where is the charter >> for the Incubator? I started one some time back >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/IncubatorCharterDraft >> But could never really get any traction or interest. > > A lot

Re: Project Documentation

Noel J. Bergman wrote: My thought was something along the lines of: /home/incubator/ incubator/ -- cvs co incubator incubator-site/ -- cvs co incubator-site forrest/ -- our friend tool, installed That seem about right? See ~noel/incubator for a start.

Re: code donation to an existing project

David, Just to back up Noel's comments below, if you put something to [EMAIL PROTECTED], we can all kick it around. At the end of the day - if those in xml-commons think it's a good idea, then the chances are it probably is, and we can make it happen! Cheers, Berin Noel J. Bergman wro

Re: code donation to an existing project

David Crossley wrote: By the way, the Incubator FAQ needs a statement on this topic. Hmm. Yes - I think you're right. I'll do something about that! Thanks! Cheers, Berin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

Re: Upcoming Incubator PMC Chair Election

OK. I'll start off by nominating Noel (although I think that was already done elsewhere?) I'd also suggest we timebox this. Can we allow a week for nominations? Then maybe a week for votes within the PMC? Cheers, Berin Noel J. Bergman wrote: Candidates interested in the Incubator PMC

New Incubee

Peoples, The XML Project has voted to accept NativeJCE for incubation. As per Incubator Policy [1], I am hereby requesting the Incubator project accept this project for incubation. As per [1] : - Vote is at [2] - Proposal is at [3] - Mentor will be myself The plan at the moment is to name the

Re: New Incubee

The plan at the moment is to name the new product "JuiCE". A question to the incubator group - we have researched this name on the web, and could not find any other cryptographic software that had this name. There are of products on sourceforge - a blog tool [4] and a frontend to mpg123 [5] t

Re: Want to become a member of Apache J2EE Project

Have a look at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo/index.html#How+do+I+get+Involved%3F Cheers, Berin Poornima Gunasekar wrote: Hi, This is Poornima, Software Engineer. I wish to participate in the project "Apache-licensed implementation of the J2EE specification". Could you pl

Report for JuiCE

Status report for JuiCE for the Incubator JuiCE is just entering incubation, and is currently in the process of starting up. We are currently waiting on CLAs from core developers to enable us to get started. * is the STATUS file up to date? (also post link) Yes - http://incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Pluto

Guys, I'm going to vote -1 here, until the status file is updated addressing some of the original concerns. Andrew Oliver raised a specific point [1] that the Java PMC wanted the incubator to specifically consider community. Also, have a look at some of the e-mail in : http://nagoya.apache.or

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Pluto

Noel J. Bergman wrote: As far as I know, those issues are mooted. More to the point, perhaps, Pluto has been adopted and integrated into the new Portals project, which is asking for its release, and they don't appear to have any Community concerns. Do we have any questions about the TCK availabi

Re: [VOTE][RESULT] Release of incubating-xmlbeans-1.0.2

Cliff Schmidt wrote: In summary, the XMLBeans project needs to finish balancing its committer diversity ratio and work out the details for a new TLP. I am confident we can do both of these items in the next two months. Any feedback/guidance about this plan would be appreciated. I'd fully suppo

Re: Pluto Incubation

Noel J. Bergman wrote: I've published the revised Incubator site with the newly revised Pluts STATUS file for everyone to review: http://incubator.apache.org/projects/pluto.html Does anyone have any outstanding questions/issues regarding Pluto's status? I'm going to appear very thick here, for whi

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Pluto

David, Many thanks indeed. I'm now a big +1 :>. Cheers, Berin David Sean Taylor wrote: On Apr 23, 2004, at 5:49 PM, Berin Lautenbach wrote: Guys, I'm going to vote -1 here, until the status file is updated addressing some of the original concerns. Andrew Oliver rais

Re: [PROPOSAL] Beehive

+1 - with some reservations/questions. 1. I tried to find it, but I couldn't find a definitive answer to Noel's question RE mailing lists? (I'd note that it is very easy to add more mailing lists and split things out at any point - hint hint :>) 2. We seem to be adding a *lot* of initial comm

Re: TLPs, Incubation, and the Board (was RE: [PROPOSAL] Beehive)

Noel J. Bergman wrote: I think there are some mis-understandings. Our documentation seriously lags reality (volunteers to help would be appreciated), but even so, AFAIK, you *never* needed to go to the Board before proposing entry to the Incubator. Directors might be interested, but the issue of w

Re: [VOTE] Graduate Geronimo from Incubator and recommend as top-level project

+1. And very enthusiastic at that. An absolutely heroic effort! Cheers, Berin Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: The Geronimo project has been in Incubation for almost 10 months. In those 10 months, the Geronimo project has developed a community, developed a new codebase in an open and collaborat

Re: Request creation of new mailing lists

Roy T. Fielding wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have set up the archive on /www/incubator.apache.org/mail/ but someone else will have to enable eyebrowse. Eyebrowse now set up as well. Cheers, Berin - To unsub

Lenya PPMC List

Peoples, I have just created a PPMC list for Lenya ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Nobody is currently subscribed (other than myself), but I have taken the liberty of setting Stefano and Steven as moderators (at their Apache addresses). Let me know if the moderators list is wrong or if anything else need

Overall status of incubating projects

Peoples, The following lists provides my understanding (based on the "projects" page on incubator.apache.org) of when the last status update was. Projects with a ** have gone more than 3 months without any kind of update. "No Report" means that the project *appears* (according to the status fi

Re: [VOTE] Lenya 1.2 incubation distribution

Noel J. Bergman wrote: There is a request that we approve clearly marked incubation distribution of Lenya to help further community development. The request has the support for Steven Noels and others in the Lenya community. There has been considerable discussion on the state of the community in

Re: Errors generating site

I *hate* (with a passion) the cwiki format. There were two spaces at the start of an otherwise blank line in xmlbeans.cwiki. Don't ask how long they took to find. I've also fixed the log4??? stuff, rebuilt and committed. It should come through to the site soon. Cheers, Berin Noel J.

Re: [VOTE] Graduate XMLBeans from Incubator and recommend as top-level project

+1 :>. Cheers, Berin Cliff Schmidt wrote: The XMLBeans project has been actively developed in incubation for about 10 months. During this time, the user and developer community has continued to grow stronger, both in number, diversity, and degree of cooperation. In addition, the XMLBea

Re: Download location for Incubator distributions

Noel J. Bergman wrote: As per Cliff's previous email, files will be moved on www.apache.org/dist and the XMLBeans website will be updated. Since XMLBeans appears to be about to leave the Incubator, this needn't apply to it, but as we examine Incubator policies, I'm wondering if we should make it a

Re: [VOTE] Graduate SpamAssassin from Incubator, recommend TLP

+1 Sander Striker wrote: Hi, I'd like to call for a vote to graduate SpamAssassin from the Incubator. SpamAssassin started working on incubation around August last year. Since then a lot if not all of the Incubator requirements have been addressed; the final one this week. Patience and persistence

Re: [VOTE] Accept MyFaces for Incubation

+1 Noel J. Bergman wrote: See: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MyFacesProposal [ ] Accept MyFaces into the Incubator [ ] Reject MyFaces Vote ends Midnight EDT (between Monday and Tuesday), Monday July 12, 2004. --- Noel -

July Report for JuiCE

Status report for JuiCE for the Incubator JuiCE has stalled waiting on a set of changes to the CLA proposed by Uni of Memphis being approved by the ASF. Without this approval, Walter Hoehn cannot get commit access to the repository. As he is one of the key developers we need this sorted out be

Re: [VOTE] Accept JCR for Incubation

+1 Roy T. Fielding wrote: Here is the current text of the JCR proposal from http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/JcrProposal Please cast your vote as +1 (yes), -1 (no), or something in between. Vote ends 12pm (Noon) PDT -0700, Saturday, August 28, 2004. Roy 1. Proposal for new project JCR 1.1. R

Re: Donation of JAXP 1.3 Sources to Apache

Neeraj Bajaj wrote: Hello All, I was wondering when can we start merging the JAXP 1.3 sources ? Merging the code in branch/review/testing/committing to main trunk would take time so at least from my side i would like to see this work started as early as possible say from tomorrow. What is the ge

Re: Mentor and Project Guide (WAS: RE: [OT] How to prevent...)

It does look good. Noel - make sure you do some heckling for me as well :>. Cheers, Berin Noel J. Bergman wrote: Cliff Schmidt wrote If it's any use, you can download the slides at: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2004/view/e_sess/5439 I'll be giving a similar presentation next mont

Re: [VOTE] Nutch

+1 from here! Cheers, Berin Noel J. Bergman wrote: Doug proposed this a week and change ago (bad timing to do such things around major holidays :-)). So far we have support from Dain, Nicola Ken, Doug, Eric Hatcher, Henning, Roy and myself. Roy, Nicola Ken, and myself provide the minimum 3

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache TSIK

First - I'm +1 on this (with the concomitant committment to help out - I'll even mentor if necessary, although my time is often limited at the moment). Noel J. Bergman wrote: This looks alright, but I have some questions. First, why isn't the WS PMC sponsoring this as WS-TSIK? The XML Secu

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache TSIK

Granqvist, Hans wrote: I realize that it may sound a bit vague, but I hope that I manage to convey that there is nothing intrinsic about TSIK that precludes, say, the ASF xmlsec project to be reimplemented with a completely different set of APIs -- I think Apache could use several available lay

Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache TSIK

Noel J. Bergman wrote: Dims raised the same issue to me, so there is a common thread there. Would this also help to resurrect JuiCE? And, again, be aware of the proposed PGP package for Jakarta Commons, targeting package signing. Just having sorted out the *&^% CLA issue may help JuiCE along

Re: Fwd: [PROPOSAL] Apache TSIK

Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote: Do I understand correctly that this is a basically complete package that is being donated to Apache? Does it have its own SOAP stack .. o.a.tsik.messaging? If not how does this stuff plug into say Axis? So my concerns are: - does it use Axis? If not what's the connect

Re: a few steps before approving a project

I've been following this with a little bit of confusion. It strikes me that there is a lot of reaction going on without really thinking through the implications. So just to stir the pot Cliff Schmidt wrote: I'd like to suggest a few changes to the process of approving new project propos

Re: a few steps before approving a project

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On September 1, 2005 8:41:11 PM +1000 Berin Lautenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There are far more checks already. To get a project approved you need a full resolution signed by the board. A better analogy would be voting on a new PMC member. No PMC re

Re: a few steps before approving a project

Roy T. Fielding wrote: I am generally opposed to any of the suggestions that we add more constraints to incubation (aside from a general constraint of no new projects, which I can understand for infrastructure reasons alone). What we need is more documentation, not more rules. +1 --

Re: stdcxx snapshot

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: I'm not really clear what the approval process is here on the part of the full Incubator PMC. Bill, do you know? Or, is it hidden on the website somewhere? ;-) -- justin http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases%0D Cheers, Be

Re: stdcxx snapshot

Justin Erenkrantz wrote: --On September 3, 2005 10:30:49 AM +1000 Berin Lautenbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases%0D I saw that, but it's not very helpful as it says: "Such approval SHALL be given only aft

Re: [VOTE] Werner as juice committer

Geez - for some reason I thought he already was!!! +1 Cheers, Berin Davanum Srinivas wrote: As part of reviving juice, can we please VOTE werner as a committer to enable him to continue his offline work? [1] Here's my +1. thanks, dims [1] : http://www.nabble.com/Status-of-my-upgrad

Re: Ode proposal

Alan D. Cabrera wrote: OT: I dislike the current trend of people using +1, -1, for simple conversations. It confuses people and should be reserved for votes. The use of +1/-1 for conversations (as apposed to votes) is very common through the ASF. I've always rather liked it personally. It'

Re: Incubator Roles revisited

Noel J. Bergman wrote: As written, a Champion must be an ASF Member or Officer. Why? A Champion actually has no specific rights. Can anyone express a reason why the role should be restricted to a Member or Officer? One that comes to mind is as a filter, but realistically, anyone can ask a

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