Re: [FRIAM] Collective sensemaking

I'll attempt to correct you on postmodernism. But I expect you to move the goalposts again. Here are 2 articles that may help. I've posted them before, to no avail. https://michel-foucault.com/2018/12/19/postmodernism-didnt-cause-trump-it-explains-him-2018/ https://www.vox.com/features/2019/11/1

Re: [FRIAM] Can current AI beat humans at doing science?

I tend to side with Dave and Patrick on this issue, I guess. The following article provides a bit of an on-ramp to my perspective: Beware explanations from AI in health care https://science.sciencemag.org/content/373/6552/284 Their distinction is valid and sound. So, the authors would object to

Re: [FRIAM] Sean x Carrol

Reality as a Vector in Hilbert Space Sean M. Carroll https://arxiv.org/abs/2103.09780 On 7/20/21 7:49 AM, Barry MacKichan wrote: > One of the (trivial, granted) ways the universe amuses me is that there are > two Sean Carrols, one of whom authored ‘Endless Forms Most Beautiful’. I > first heard

[FRIAM] Solutions documentary

They re-premiered this at ALIFE 2021. I figured it would be interesting, if for no other reason than to ogle the SFI celebrities. 8^D Not really eye candy, but worthy anyway. https://cphdox.dk/film/solutions-da/ > SOLUTIONS > Pernille Rose Grønkjær / Denmark / 2021 / 110 min / World Premiere >

Re: [FRIAM] Solutions documentary

It was CET so I missed a lot. But everything I saw was useful and interesting. I'm going to get my t-shirt printed somehow. I have a friend back in PDX that may give it a try. On 7/23/21 11:54 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > Did you attend most of the virtual conference this year? Any notable > pap

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

This one? https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-1-4757-3714-1_3.pdf I don't think I have special access. On 7/23/21 1:10 PM, Jon Zingale wrote: > So far, what is written above is about as much as I understand. Thank you for > the Springer link. Unfortunately, the pay-wall around tha

[FRIAM] MM implies (*)

Why am I just now hearing about this? Jeez. I rely on y'all to keep me up to date. What am I paying you for anyway? 8^D Martin’s Maximum++ implies Woodin’s axiom (∗) https://annals.math.princeton.edu/2021/193-3/p03 via: How Many Numbers Exist? Infinity Proof Moves Math Closer to an Answer. https

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

No, thanks very much for the transcript. Time as updating is an old concept. So, it's not clear to me that they're talking about anything new *there*. But they sound a bit wrong to me in decoupling the updating from the *subgraph* that gets updated as well as any kind of causal cascade of updati

Re: [FRIAM] MM implies (*)

Ha! I did so bad in my undergrad Topology course, the prof took me (and a handful of others) aside and said: "I want to fail all of you. But I don't want to disrupt your degree plans. What grade do you need in order to maintain your path?" Everyone else answered with "A" or "B". Me, being the i

Re: [FRIAM] ???

I'm here! I feel your pain, but know nothing about availability in SFe. On 7/30/21 7:40 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote: > ? -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam

[FRIAM] On Blankfaces

Given some of the conversations I've had with some of y'all about bureaucracy as technology, I thought this might provide you with some dopaminergic confirmation: https://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=5675 > What exactly is a blankface? He or she is often a mid-level bureaucrat, but > not every

Re: [FRIAM] On Blankfaces

My fellow Blakkfaces like Ms. Umbridge do not attempt to regularize the entire world according to their doctrine. They are more like feudal lords, attempting to regularize their small fiefdom. Further, most of them only regularize a subspace of all the possible behaviors they might try to contro

Re: [FRIAM] On Blankfaces

I agree. When you get some quantum computing dork all up in your face complaining about the rules we all have to follow, it places an unsolicited cognitive load upon everyone in the surrounding region. Often, the best response to such narcissists is to simply stare at them and hand them another

Re: [FRIAM] On Blankfaces

Nah. That's a syntax error on your part. The Blankfaces lack any ability to restructure the technology. They're Eloi, not Morlocks. What you can do, though, is learn the language well enough to provide workarounds to whatever peculiar structures they have in place. And you can do it all without

Re: [FRIAM] On Blankfaces

No. I don't think I've ever watched Night Line. >8^D In the late '80s, I spent almost all my time arguing on bulletin boards and using ftpmail to download things like Minix. The Russians I knew didn't talk about politics at all. On 8/5/21 9:40 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Do you remember

Re: [FRIAM] On Blankfaces

Well, it wasn't Scott's proposal. Scott seems to be suggesting we can (and should) either move past the Eloi and gain access to the Morlocks *or* transform the Eloi into Morlocks. That's just silly ... like trying to talk to Python as if it's C. What any good quantum computing dork should do is

Re: [FRIAM] On Blankfaces

Ha! Yes, my first brush with the severe cognitive dissonance of "out there" was after about a month long virtual relationship over Minitel, with a very nice girl. I learned later through meatspace channels that she was not so nice, and perhaps not even a girl. It broke my tiny little Texas reare

[FRIAM] for our psychonauts

What Should We Make Of Sasha Chapin's Claim That Taking LSD Restored His Sense Of Smell After COVID? https://astralcodexten.substack.com/p/what-should-we-make-of-sasha-chapins I haven't read it, yet. I'm hoping posting it here will remind me to actually read it. -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. .

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

There's quite a bit wrong with this stance. What is "health"? What do we mean by "control" or "prevention" (cf endless sophistry about free will)? There are clear risks to people like Dr. Sinclair (cf Linus Pauling, Didier Raoult, etc.)? But the problematic part of this thread that I think is mo

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

What I find magical about both cats and people is how plastic we are. The point of a regimen is to clamp down against that plasticity ... turn us into robots. I'm no Dionysian. But the idea of clamping out all the variation that allows us to go off a local optimum to find (collectively) a higher

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

It's always unclear to me by what people mean by "moral". But this paper covers it fairly well, I think: The search for predictable moral partners: Predictability and moral (character) preferences https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022103121000998 The idea being that predic

Re: [FRIAM] FW: [EXT] Glen Ropella published a chapter

Heh, thanks. A $225 book nobody will buy. 8^D https://bookshop.org/books/drug-delivery-approaches-perspectives-from-pharmacokinetics-and-pharmacodynamics/9781119772736 But to be clear, my co-authors deserve any credit. Including me was charity on their part. On 8/10/21 9:20 AM, thompnicks...@gm

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

Yeah, it was long. I only got through half of it during my workout this morning. I suppose it's right to say that the normative definition of moral would exclude Trump (or people like him). But if we stuck to your idea that a particular morality be *expressible*. (FWIW, I think the extra qualifi

Re: [FRIAM] FW: [EXT] Glen Ropella published a chapter

me was charity > on their part. > > On 8/10/21 9:20 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: >> Way to go, Glen! > -- > ☤>$ uǝlƃ -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bi

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

Yes, if you squint. The trick is that both opaque and transparent ML algorithms are *engineered*. So, rather than intension/extension, a better frame would be the gen-phen map, forward-inverse map. The opaque boxes are the, probably irreversible, result of a complicated process. I think informat

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

> usually a good quality but not if someone happily describes himself in > sociopathic terms.  Trump is, in my non-professional opinion, an amoral, > narcissistic sociopath. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 >

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

;> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure >> >>   >> >> Psychologists I know would call a person whose behavior is consistent with >> his self description is integrated rather than moral.  "Integrated" is >> usually a good quality but n

Re: [FRIAM] Moral collapse and state failure

. >>> >>>   >>> >>> *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Frank >>> Wimberly >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 10, 2021 10:33 AM >>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Moral

Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)

Eternal Change for No Energy: A Time Crystal Finally Made Real https://www.quantamagazine.org/first-time-crystal-built-using-googles-quantum-computer-20210730/ On 7/26/21 7:59 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > No, thanks very much for the transcript. Time as updating is an old concept. > So,

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

Attached. Missing Arkansas, Connecticut, Florida, Hawaii, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Missouri, New York, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Wyoming. On 8/10/21 4:43 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: > I am sure it is just dieseling at this point, but I was pleased to see the > following article: > https://www

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

It would be interesting to plot some geographical data about comorbidities, particularly obesity. On 8/11/21 9:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > It is weird there are orders of magnitude of variability. I wonder if it is > differences in spatial distribution of the different vaccines? Ethnicity

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

Well, there is this: What Do Full Hospitals Really Tell Us About COVID? https://reason.com/volokh/2021/08/09/what-do-full-hospitals-really-tell-us-about-covid/ I mean, even Renee's ED up here in WA is full every day, with ambulance paramedics caring for patients in the hallways until an ED bed f

Re: [FRIAM] off-label technologies, exaptatiion and exponential technological growth.

Yeah, and even though she's relatively safe, being a navigator with no patient contact, they're short staffed because people are out sick. So she's taking extra 12 hour shifts on top of her normal shifts. Everyone at the hospital is exhausted ... maybe not as bad as TX or LA, but still pretty ba

[FRIAM] argh

How did I miss this? UT Austin Mourns Death of World-Renowned Physicist Steven Weinberg https://news.utexas.edu/2021/07/24/ut-austin-mourns-death-of-world-renowned-physicist-steven-weinberg/ -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group lists

[FRIAM] pan→endemic

Great explainer for pan→endemic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDRjIuC2eZE -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_re

Re: [FRIAM] argh

Richard Charles “Dick” Lewontin died at age 92 on 4 July, 3 days after Mary > Jane, his wife of 73 years. > > -- rec --  > > On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 1:23 PM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > How did I miss this? > > UT Aus

[FRIAM] vax v unvax

S ... our house cleaner is anti-vax. My friends tell me we should fire her. I've resisted confronting her over it. But hospitals being overrun influenced me to press her a little bit. I claimed that the majority of hospitalizations are the unvaxxed. She claimed that down near her (I think c

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

ariant-of-concern-20201201 > > It really does seem to show that the death rate among vaxxed is higher than > that among unvaxxed. > > The LifeSiteNews site is obviously troll nonsense. But my concern is mostly > about that tech report from the UK and Herzog Hospital. Are these co

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

I appreciate that. But while I'm taking her and her ideas seriously, discussing them calmly while holding a cup of coffee, people who hold those very same ideas are carrying AR-15 rifles and Don't Tread on Me flags while marching around downtown in desert fatigues, claiming they'll break into th

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

jury duty), whereas the vaxxed ones are mainly old or sick with something > else, that would be an important variable for deriving a risk profile  by > category. > > Time, time, time, to chase things down…. > > Eric > > > On Aug 19, 2021, at 4:53 AM, uǝlƃ

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

ritchlow wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:15 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Excellent. Thanks for the Gelman and Morris explanations. > > As for paying for a couple of days off for Tami, she's only here for ~3 > h

Re: [FRIAM] vax v unvax

ff. "Keep your damned money. What we need are more employees so we > don't burn out and quit." But they wouldn't be nurses if they thought the way > I think. 8^D > > > On 8/19/21 8:08 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Aug 19, 2021 at 10:

[FRIAM] semper fi! (was vax v unvax)

27;provable' nor > 'objectively more rational' than religious articles of faith. But even here, > he would insist that both science and religion have very few actual articles > of faith while religion has millions of silly assertions of "TRUTH" while > science

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

Related: Profiteering from vaccine inequity: a crime against humanity? https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2027 Antibody Cocktails to Treat Covid Take Off as Delta Surges https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-16/once-rare-antibody-cocktails-to-treat-covid-take-off-amid-delta On 8/19/2

Re: [FRIAM] "ZAMM"

Phaedrus by Plato https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/1636 On 8/19/21 12:46 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > Dave: > >   > > As usual, my [conscious] motives were not so high falutin’.  As usual I am > trying to get others to think with me because I cannot think alone.  To the > extent that I

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

This seems relevant: Weaponized Interdependence: How Global Economic Networks Shape State Coercion https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/44/1/42/12237/Weaponized-Interdependence-How-Global-Economic Two other things that seems relevant, particularly to the quorum sensing conception, are latent vari

Re: [FRIAM] Medical treatments for some or for all

ues like Twitter suspending Trump or the Taliban. Think more like competent gun control and *universal* healthcare. Those networks are not being weaponized to good effect. On 8/20/21 6:24 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > This seems relevant: > > Weaponized Interdependence: How Global Economic

Re: [FRIAM] Steaming services

Along the same lines as my comment on "gatekeeping" at vFriAM, I had an excellent conversation with a bartender on Saturday. When we got around to discussing the purposes of music, including a debate about moshing/dancing and how tha

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

I disagree completely. We definitely have emotions, just like we have a steak dinner, or have a loving relationship. As I tried to point out with the Wolpert article, just because your monism can be fully iterated out, reverse-derived from leaf node to trunk, doesn't falsify the intermediate, lo

[FRIAM] Kill it!

‘Kill it!’ US officials advise no mercy for lanternfly summer invasion https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/aug/24/pennsylvania-lanternfly-summer-invasion Am I so wrong to root for the bad guy? ... such a good lookin' bug. -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

I'm definitely rooting for the Murder Hornets! Little wimpy bugs need someone to teach them what it means to be a real bug. These hipster bugs in the PacNW are a bit sad ... kinda like the self-conscious nerds so popular in movies and TV lately ... Woody Allen destroyed masculinity. Those bugs i

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

I suppose my problem is that I *do* think we can find "the sadness" inside the brain ... well, not inside the brain, exactly, but inside the *body* ... well, not *inside* the body but peri-body, localized *at* the body, but extending out into the body's context a bit. Just like with one's thumb

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

ttps://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/646> > > Search emotions map for visuals that show a ton of different emotions. > >       Curt > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2021 at 11:54 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I suppose my problem is that I *do*

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Yeah, I'm lucky that I don't feel much depression or sadness. I do sporadically (like yesterday morning) feel an intense sense of *impending doom*. If it's anything like depression, I feel for y'all. It's stultifying and very difficult to wiggle out of. Both my mobility and weight-lifting workou

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

So, you agree that I *have* fear. Great! What remains is a calculus by which we can talk about the scoping of the feelings we have. Some feelings will have larger scopes. Some will have smaller scopes. Many of those feelings will be *purely* interoceptive, not merely peri-body, but intra-body.

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Hm. I guess we're back at the same point we've been several times. I'm pressing for methods by which to *compose* things. You either refuse, or cannot, address how purely intra-body signaling composes to trans-body signaling. *-ception is not monolithic. We can program various types of perceptio

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

Maybe I can steelman it, since I have so many personal relationships with anti-vax people. When I look around at the world, I see a clear difference between those people like me and those people who seem very different from me. Interacting with the people who are very different is stressful an

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

Well, only if you don't make a big stink out of it. If it's a normal, everyday thing, yeah sure. But if it's some litmus test for who's with us or who's against us, then they're much less willing to submit to such tests. You see this in spades w.r.t. to the protests. In Portland, they antifa are

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

Because the majority of the patients in the ERs are not covid patients. (Last I heard the percentages were around 60-70% are non-covid. But I'm sure it's location dependent.) They're regular people with regular problems, many of whom delayed medical treatments for a year due to lockdowns. We did

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

That's just nonsense. By the time you're at the ER, the vaccine is largely irrelevant. Plus, when some 18 year old kid comes in unconscious with a gunshot wound, it's difficult to ask her if she's been vaccinated or not. Anyway, most large hospitals are under a mandate to treat whoever walks in

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Great contribution, Roger! The article targets composition that's severely lacking in our discussions each time they pop up. Here are the bullets I pull from it, caveat confirmation bias: • clustering induction (model-free) as agnostic concept registration • "The amygdala, on the other hand, is

Re: [FRIAM] Kill it!

So, a wildlife ecologist friend of mine (who meatspace introduced me to Looney (WSDA employee who discovered murder hornets here (who also hangs at the local pub) [‡])) argues that domestic cats, as an invasive species, are more horrifying than murder hornets, or english ivy, or the new zealand

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

Any place but the ER is irrelevant. Other paths to hospital inpatient or PT/allergy/optha clinics *should* require proof of vax or PCR test results. I agree. Shun the anti-vax. Stupidity must be painful. But re: ER, I disagree. It's impractical to the point of silliness. On 8/25/21 10:56 AM, Ma

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Ouch! Dude. No! 8^D You're committing the same sin Nick commits. To say we "are" our emotions ignores the composition, the algebra by which parts compose the whole. The point is the very high order conscious *attention* to lower order frequencies. Not all is one. There are many parts to organiz

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

ojects.com/synergetics/s05/p0600.html#509.01 > <http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s05/p0600.html#509.01> > >        Curt > > On Thu, Aug 26, 2021 at 9:55 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Ouch! Dude. No! 8^D You're

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

ent with the prevailing > rhetoric. And it very clearly delineates two groups: Them the stupid and Us > the enlightened. > > Am I, for example, stupid; giving no regard to the basis of my being > anti-vax, for me personally? > > [BTW, my analytical evaluation and conclusi

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

x, for me personally? > >   > > [BTW, my analytical evaluation and conclusions did not stop me from getting > vaccinated despite my antipathy. But my doing so was simply a matter of > coercion.] > >   > > davew > >   > >   > > On Thu, Aug 2

Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side

I addressed the stupid people vs stupid acts. Dave makes that conflation. I don't. But re: punishment - I also never claimed stupidity should be punished. I claimed stupidity should be painful. As a person who inflicts pain on myself daily, on purpose, it would be silly to identify pain with pu

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

nt. Anyone who wants to talk about emotions and things like qualia or sense of self, has to talk about such things. If they don't, they're merely talking to hear themselves speak. On 8/26/21 10:16 AM, Steve Smith wrote: > uǝlƃ ☤>$ >> Ouch! Dude. No! 8^D You're committing

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Choosing a particular emotion misses the point, confuses the noise for the signal. The polyphenism, alone, demonstrates that starting with a particular emotion and working inversely from that phenotype to the generators is guaranteed to be a difficult problem ... you're guaranteeing that we stay

Re: [FRIAM] "All [persons] are created equal"

Yeah, talk of equality is sophistry, in the bad sense of the word. But, NOT being a postmodernist, myself, I read *through* the word to a constellation of ideals behind it, including dyed in the wool socialism, if not anarchism. But unlike Nick's creation myth, I tend to think of it in terms of

[FRIAM] Epic

Covid Rant goes METAL! [San Diego Board of Supervisors meeting Remix] https://youtu.be/052iTp04DRY We've broached the ethics of enjoying the fruits of problematic people before. My favorite example is HP Lovecraft's racism and xenophobic inspired, insanity inducing otherness. But even HG Wells

Re: [FRIAM] our friends the police

Thanks for ruining my day. I feel sick. Here's one that's not behind a paywall: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2021/08/26/matthew-grashorn-civil-lawsuit-loveland-police-officer-officer-shot-dog/ On 8/27/21 6:38 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/08/27/colorado-

Re: [FRIAM] Eternal questions

Right. Implied in your lucid dreaming discussion is that this body-part to body-part learning *scales* down to intra-body learning. This was the point of the "thumb". The [neuronal] network that learns the patterns of the amygdala is a body part, similar to one's thumb being a body part. Non-luc

Re: [FRIAM] Weighted Ensemble

In my ignorance, I've thought of weighted ensemble (WE) as a specific kind of novelty search. E.g. weighting toward trajectories that exhibit anomalies. Is that what you mean by it? Also, for each of the 5 you're interested in, do you have convenient example cites for each/any of them? In parti

Re: [FRIAM] Weighted Ensemble

; AlphaGo. > > It boils down to how well you can distinguish promising and unpromising > branches. > > Whatever, it was in Friam before gmail, so I can't search for it. There > doesn't appear to be any search in the Friam archives, and the years before > 2017 at htt

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PqW7vWzNSr1yNy9o8 As for "revealing deeply authoritarian leanings", I think that tells us more about EricC than it does about others. "The right thing" could be understood as comprising any structured reasoning. The way I read it was that it's the right thing to lower

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal "othering" or statement of fact?

I don't want to be a "both sides" person. But there's plenty of that on the left, too. I suppose it's for products like Paltrow's: https://goop.com/ Or reiki. Or crystals. Snake oil is non-partisan. One thing that's a toss-up for me is the NCCIH: https://www.nccih.nih.gov/ On the one hand, I'm

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal "othering" or statement of fact?

Yeah, I suppose a locus on the left centers around the concepts of "natural", "organic", or "holistic" whereas on the right it's more fractured, objective oriented. And since much of science is structured by focused objectives, the righties tend to align with targeted science and the lefties ten

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal "othering" or statement of fact?

Ha! I didn't miss the point. I rejected it. Left wingers are prone to it, too. Whether you see them as "right" or "left" is irrelevant to the actual group and more relevant to *you*. The actual group is "those who buy into snake oil." On 8/31/21 9:42 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: > You guys

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Since we're mostly old people on this list, some older than others, it might be useful to suggest that "liberal" no longer means "left" in most lefty circles I travel. Liberals are just slightly to the left of the middle. Basically, liberals are now moderates. It's not the liberals that are "wok

[FRIAM] aversive learning

UK judge orders rightwing extremist to read classic literature or face prison https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/sep/01/judge-orders-rightwing-extremist-to-read-classic-literature-or-face-prison I know several liberals who agree with the righties that vaccine and mask mandates are bad, th

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

nce I >> did my masters thesis in CS (AI) — computers cannot be intelligent in any >> general sense until and unless they participate in human culture. We >> automatically and non-consciously "enculturate" (normative practices that >> engage the w

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

tify author > has been a thing for a long time. Richard has a really cool example of a > prose story that emulates Hunter Thompson that, I would bet, no one on this > list could have detected as a deep fake had you not be forewarned. > > davew > > > On Wed, Sep 1, 2021

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Well, I do feel pity for Dave and the obsolete people/modes being left behind. Nostalgia is difficult. On his deathbed, with so much time to sit and think about dying, my dad finally admitted that his "type A personality" was an artifact of the circumstances within which he was reared ('30s). An

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

t; A potential benefit of the episodic personality type is the ability to grieve > failures and move on. > >> On Sep 2, 2021, at 7:50 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: >> >> Well, I do feel pity for Dave and the obsolete people/modes being left >> behind. Nostalgia is difficu

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

other automatons want to > stay where they are?   > > Where does: Making it harder for disabled people to access hot springs on > public land fall on that spectrum?  > > > <mailto:echar...@american.edu> > > > On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 10:50 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

hat it can be falsified and > corrected for. It seems to me that these small margins are sources of > conflict and distrust, not coherent argumentation. I guess it's all so > "theoretical" that makes me skeptical. > > > On 9/2/21 8:04 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

uch better >> off they are. >> >> Workers complaining that OSHA codes make it harder to electrocute themselves >> to death; fire codes making it harder for Mrs. O'Leary's cow to torch a >> whole city; etc. >> >> Is that what is happening in these situatio

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Exactly. This word, used as pejorative by Dave and a badge of honor by others, "liberal", is as vague as "love is like a red, red, rose". It's fscking nonsense. Liberal, especially "classical liberal", means money. Money is free, but anything unrelated to money can be arbitrarily restricted or f

Re: [FRIAM] Can empirical discoveries be mathematical?

I feel left out. So I'll plop my 2 cents down, too. EricS' description of consistifying several models to target reality mirrors Nick's original question about the 2 transform requirement. Neither of these imply an overly simplified single point of reality-check/validation. They both imply, to m

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

I was alerted to this article this morning: Can Progressives Be Convinced That Genetics Matters? https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/13/can-progressives-be-convinced-that-genetics-matters It should delight those amongst us who rant about the "woke". 8^D But it dovetails nicely with the fr

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

Ha! Now you're trolling. The answer is: "because the sites that generate reading ability (or whatever) *also* generate other 'abilities'", with "abilities" in scare quotes because many abilities are considered bad ... like the ability of a pimply faced white dude to shoot up a church or blow up

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

No, I'm not trying to suggest that gen-phen relations are special, only that the call to *write* segments previously shown through GWAS to be predictive might demonstrate a lack of causality ... a necessary experiment for the hypothesis that's ethically problematic. But more abstractly, as we've

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

> that will suffer without an intervention. They may still suffer (there is no > causation) but at least with, say, gene therapy they have some agency. > >> On Sep 10, 2021, at 7:07 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: >> >> No, I'm not trying to suggest that gen-phen

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

keys or was already a known signature > for more fundamental biology. Then an experiment is possible that may > elaborate connection in a knowledge graph. Monkey becomes an astute > observer, but higher probability of homicidal behavior, etc. > >> On Sep 10, 2021, at 7:31 AM,

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

It's no more profound than any other multi-order composition. It's part of the work we have to do for mechanistic modeling of higher order constructs. What galls me is that we can talk about it so much without discussing the mechanisms of construction. The details of composing from genes, throu

Re: [FRIAM] gen'fur

> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > > 505 670-9918 > Santa Fe, NM > >   > > On Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 11:44 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$ <mailto:geprope...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > It's no more profound than any other multi-order composition. It's pa

[FRIAM] Islamic Enlightenment?

Are Islamic philosophers critical of authority? https://www.newstatesman.com/international/2021/09/are-islamic-philosophers-critical-authority "All this sheds an interesting light on a frequently asked question, which is why the Islamic world never experienced something like the European Enligh

Re: [FRIAM] Islamic Enlightenment?

iences (especially astronomy, math, and medicine), and arts that occurred > in the Islamic world long before the European Renaissance would seem a better > foundation to conclude that Islam was already enlightened during (and before) > the European Middle Ages. > > davew &g

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