This seems relevant: Weaponized Interdependence: How Global Economic Networks Shape State Coercion https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article/44/1/42/12237/Weaponized-Interdependence-How-Global-Economic
Two other things that seems relevant, particularly to the quorum sensing conception, are latent variables in causal inference and neutral networks in evolution. Rebecca's recent video essay on leaky vaccines may also ring some bells: https://youtu.be/_J-zWtoG9ZM, which seems akin to the relationship between disinfectants and hospital super bugs. On 8/19/21 10:52 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: > Thanks Steve, > > I hadn’t heard about this latest little bit of lunacy. Marcus is right; what > must the guy’s life be like that, to very likely end up in jail for not > really anything seemed like a good idea? > > Martin Scheffer ought to be all over this, with his “early warning signals”, > using analysis of the magnitude-frequency distributions of collective > fluctuations to predict “tipping points”. We hear about Rosa Parks. We > don’t (unless we work in the area) understand the long string of events that > preceded, and in important ways, led up to Rosa Parks and made the event she > precipitated possible. > > Eric > > >> On Aug 20, 2021, at 10:17 AM, Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com >> <mailto:sasm...@swcp.com>> wrote: >> >> EricS >>> >>> Fascist Quorum Sensing >> >> When 'Q' emerged in the right wing popular attention, I did make a brief >> connection with "Quorum" in the sense you reference it, though more >> specifically as Bee Swarm/Nest trigger/choice. Having once been a holder >> of a DOE 'Q' clearance, the very idea that that level/style of clearance >> would give him the kind of insider information attributed to him/her/them >> was absurd. Some of the other clearances, *maybe*, but not obviously the >> 'Q'. >> >> The news today with the lame-O-bomber wannabe kicked off another round of >> DHS/domestic-terror-watch warnings that another "quorum" is trying to rise >> up. The (liberal) news media is giving lip-service to not "amplifying" his >> signal, etc. >> >> Seems like something similar (but not responsibly scientific) about how the >> Taliban was able to flip the whole country almost overnight is afoot. >> >> - SteveS >> >>> >>> (For those who don’t do this for a living, the reference is to the >>> phenomenon in bacteria like Anthrax (B. anthracis), which will multiply >>> inside a victim for many generations with no real chemical activity besides >>> a normal parasitic metabolism, but will secrete signaling chemicals. When >>> those chemicals hit a threshold concentration because the population has >>> multiplied enough, which the bacteria all know because they all have the >>> same genome, they switch state, turn on the chemical attack machinery, and >>> dissolve the victim on a timescale far too short for any inflammatory or >>> immune response to do much about them.) >>> >>> Google does not show anyone as having used it yet, even though it is a >>> no-brainer. >>> >>> The idea being to say something productive about the abruptness of it all. >>> >>> From Gingrich and Norquist up through end-2020, the right thought its best >>> strategy was to do the usual dissembling and dogwhistling, just at higher >>> intensity. Something has switched and they think this —specifically — is >>> the time to make a run for it and to parade the fascism instead. >>> >>> While the strategic-games crowd (and military people etc.) will say they >>> have long written about shifting modes, the idea that there can be an >>> unplanned component at the popular level akin to quorum sensing might have >>> something to be said of it. >>> >>> Even on the question of whether trump mattered, I can see a sort of SFI >>> angle on it, with the idea of “slow timescale variables” that Jessica Flack >>> makes central to the rubric that for a while (perhaps still) she was >>> calling “construction dynamics”. The idea that a sort of order-parameter >>> stuck thing can smooth out fluctuations and make an inference problem >>> easier and more stable, or a transition in domains more likely. Here the >>> fast variables would have been the Lindsay Graham characters, who flutter >>> like day-traders among all possible positions, trying to guess from minute >>> to minute what is safe. Those guys would not have put Steven Miller’s face >>> on TV, because they would have judged that he was too ugly to use. >>> >>> Enter trump, whose 2024 motto can be “The Worse, The Better”, who said “I >>> can make ugly work.” But it didn’t change the system state in a few >>> months, or even in a year. The flutterers took years of reassurance, and a >>> couple of election cycles, before they switched from the lysogenic to the >>> lytic phase. Without trump as a slow variable, would the flutterers have >>> continued to flutter a while longer? Can one say anything about that that >>> has any scientific worth, and isn’t just firing off buzzwords? >>> >>> Eric >>> >>> >>>> On Aug 20, 2021, at 7:53 AM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com >>>> <mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Eric writes: >>>> >>>> “I have wondered whether trump in the presidency was like an adjuvant in a >>>> vaccine. Just having the antigen leaves room for highly variable >>>> responses, because if you don’t manage the inflammatory response that >>>> initiates the immune response, you have only a weak control system. Trump >>>> was so awful in so many dimensions that he triggers inflammation in those >>>> who would have remained asleep under Clinton.” >>>> >>>> The mask protests like this one.. >>>> >>>> https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn >>>> >>>> <https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2021/08/19/mask-wars-unrest-flores-pkg-dlt-vpx.cnn> >>>> >>>> ..strike me as something that M. Night Shyamalan could not even invent. >>>> Say the guy at 1:40. >>>> I should be thinking of these folks as my fellow citizens? Really? >>>> >>>> Is it just me or is maybe the “inflammation” getting a little out of >>>> control? For example, >>>> the other day I was driving down a narrow part of the road in my >>>> residential area and pulled off to the side to let a car pass that was >>>> coming the other way. He (white middle-aged man) was not signaling, but >>>> as soon as I spent five seconds off the side to let him pass he started >>>> screaming at me and waving his fist out the car window. Apparently I had >>>> dared to block his driveway. 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