Any place but the ER is irrelevant. Other paths to hospital inpatient or PT/allergy/optha clinics *should* require proof of vax or PCR test results. I agree. Shun the anti-vax. Stupidity must be painful.
But re: ER, I disagree. It's impractical to the point of silliness. On 8/25/21 10:56 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: > They aren't under a mandate to have sufficient capacity, or they'd have > sufficient capacity. Through a triage process they can prioritize. It > must happen already, even if it isn't legal. Oh, the local drug addict is > here again. That guy is probably not #1 for the attention of the doctors. > If enough big organizations like hospitals, grocery stores, etc. simply > refuse to patronize people without evidence of vaccination, there doesn't > need to be a mandate. And it isn't just ERs, there are people getting > allergy shots, getting physical therapy, eyeglasses adjusted, etc. No shirt, > no shoes, no vaccination, no service. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 10:47 AM > To: friam@redfish.com > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side > > That's just nonsense. By the time you're at the ER, the vaccine is largely > irrelevant. Plus, when some 18 year old kid comes in unconscious with a > gunshot wound, it's difficult to ask her if she's been vaccinated or not. > > Anyway, most large hospitals are under a mandate to treat whoever walks in > the door, even if they don't have insurance. To make the change you suggest > would require major legislative effort and, perhaps, re-architect the laws > that govern public medicine. You're not gonna do that anytime soon. > > Taking a look at this site: > https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/12/09/944379919/new-data-reveal-which-hospitals-are-dangerously-full-is-yours > it seems the ratio of covid patients is actually lower than I thought. The > actual problem is insufficient buffer capacity, not the surge in covid > patients. The covid patients are simply demonstrating the problem. > > > On 8/25/21 9:58 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >> Will you consent to a vaccine? >> >> Yes: You get treatment for your non-COVID condition. No: Get lost. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ >> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 9:53 AM >> To: friam@redfish.com >> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side >> >> Because the majority of the patients in the ERs are not covid patients. >> (Last I heard the percentages were around 60-70% are non-covid. But I'm sure >> it's location dependent.) They're regular people with regular problems, many >> of whom delayed medical treatments for a year due to lockdowns. We did a >> little too much "just in time" logistical planning with our hospitals and >> this fairly tiny bump is demonstrating that our buffer wasn't high enough. >> >> The smart thing to do is increase capacity, correct the buffer size, and >> take care of both covid patients and regular people. >> >> >> On 8/25/21 9:33 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>> Why should we increase the capacity of the hospitals? Just don't let them >>> in. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ >>> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2021 9:25 AM >>> To: friam@redfish.com >>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] On the: RLY!? side >>> >>> Well, only if you don't make a big stink out of it. If it's a normal, >>> everyday thing, yeah sure. But if it's some litmus test for who's with us >>> or who's against us, then they're much less willing to submit to such tests. >>> >>> You see this in spades w.r.t. to the protests. In Portland, they antifa are >>> rigorous about staging counter protests, which makes the fascists dig in >>> and be more committed to protesting, which makes the antifa more committed, >>> ad infinitum. Here in Olympia, it's mostly just the fascists out there >>> protesting mask and vaccine mandates. (Yes, irony is dead.) But as a >>> result, they're anticlimactic and peter out pretty comfortably. >>> >>> Along the same lines of "don't feed the troll", if we focused our attention >>> on increasing the capacities of hospitals rather than brow beating the >>> anti-vaxers, I suspect the vax rate would climb steadily and the >>> reactionary tendencies of the anti-vaxers would abate. >>> >>> >>> On 8/25/21 9:09 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote: >>>> These same people are willing to submit to an employer's drug tests. -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - .... . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. .... . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
