Stus-List Keel Bolt Questions

My boat is a ’78 C&C 26. It’s a Florida boat and has spent all its life year round in salt water. I’ve had her for a few years now and I found the infamous “Smile” when I hauled out yesterday and have a few questions about re-torquing the bolts. After sanding in prep for paint I can see previous sm

Stus-List Keel Bolts torque

For many years I've been wanting to check my keel bolt torque and after a light grounding last year in anchorage, I acquired the tools and was shocked this last weekend to find all nuts measured 35-50 pounds of torque. For my '81 C&C34 with 1" rods in the keel, the torque should be closer to 35

Stus-List Keel wobble

1+ to recommendations for a serious evaluation of this issue by someone who really knows boats—naval engineer, architect, whatever, unless of course your sailing venue (current and future) is inshore in reasonable temperature waters and perhaps within easy reach of rescue and that you require al

Stus-List Keel bolt torque with antisieze

I am finally about to rebed the keel on Freya (35MK3). The Torque table indicates a value of 300 ft lbs for a 1" bolt. I have read a variation of adjustments to that value if using antisieze "lubricant". I have Tufgel, so I plan on using that. The values I have read regarding the torque for wet bol

Stus-List Keel Repair

I tried to move a rock with my keel last season and put a ding in the forward point.  Lumped up some of the lead.  Did not remove any of it.  Suggestions on repair are welcome.  This is a C&C 29-2. John McLaughlinChelsea Yacht ClubChelsea on Hudson, NYThanks to all of the subscribers that contrib

Stus-List Keel Damage.

Hello all, This summer while cruising we hit a rock on the leading bottom edge of the keel. After inspecting stringers and diving we decided it was not major and left the boat in for the rest of the summer. When we hauled Talisman last week we were able to fully examine the issue. Of course, as

Stus-List Keel Bolt Sockets

So I have a 1 7/8" with ¾" drive socket. Still not deep enough for one of the keel bolts. Need a 3" internal dimension. Looked around and deep sockets are not that deep. Any suggestions as to sourcing? Thanks in advance. David F. Risch Managing Director Great Benefits USA 401-419-4650 -

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Here’s what Mars looks like from earth :) https://drive.google.com/file/d/11OiRwy8a-BgRcw70xwHZ1lOHzgXYgZDf/view?usp=drivesdk John Conklin S/V Halcyon S/V Heartbeat www.flirtingwithfire.com On Aug 19, 2020, at 9:37 PM, Rick Brass via CnC-List wrote: 5'6" IS a pretty good rule of thumb limi

Re: Stus-List Keel movement- now bolt torque

Hi Neil, Thanks for keeping the discussion alive. It is good to look at these from various perspectives. I am glad you recognize that the primary function of the keelboat set is to keep the keel/hull joint intact. Many people just look at the keel weight in water vs on jackstands as the me

Re: Stus-List Keel movement- now bolt torque

Keel bolt torque on the hard or in the watera classic on Stu's List.  I’ll jump in…. Torquing keel bolts in the water is equivalent to tightening the head bolts on an engine while it's running, probably not a good idea.  Bolted joints are intended to be initially preloaded by tightening th

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

I was under the impression that the bolts on my 30-1 are to be torqued to over 300 pounds. Am I mistaken? Gary From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Chris Bennett via CnC-List Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2020 2:15 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Chris Bennett Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel movement in

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Russ - thanks for the west coast humour - yes we are lucky here to have our boats in the water year round - though it does have its downsides too in that the hulls never dry out and growth on the bottom continues even in the winter. The torques I applied to the 3/4 inch bolts were around 140 foot

Stus-List keel bolts

Keel: My boatyard did something similar when we replaced the keel. They prepped the joint surfaces with the intention of glassing the joint, ground a six inch bevel into the fiberglass stub, and the top edge of the lead keel. They cleaned out all the bolt holes, buttered the keel joint, lowere

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

If you lubricate the threads, reduce the torque by 10%.  The torque values on the list (which I generated decades ago) are based on dry threads.  They calculate a little high on the nebulous yield strengths of stainless steels.  Be careful going on the high side. Neil Schiller 1983 C&C 35-3, #

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Good thinking and execution! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 24, 2020, at 7:57 PM, Chris Bennett via CnC-List > wrote: > >  > Josh and Rob - thanks for your comments. I did torque the bolts while in the > water after reading a convincing post about how little extra torque is needed > to overco

Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Josh and Rob - thanks for your comments. I did torque the bolts while in the water after reading a convincing post about how little extra torque is needed to overcome the weight of the keel (think of the leverage of each bolt's screw thread). The suggestion for a much heavier keel only worked out

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Hi Chris & Josh, I am not in agreement that keel bolts can only be tightened while the boat is ashore. While that is a convenient activity during the annual haulout period that Eastern boats get, it is not entirely practical for us on the West Coast or the lads down south. We might only ha

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

generated by torquing each of those bolts to spec.Food for thought,Bruce1994 C&C37/40+"Astralis"Sent from Samsung tablet. Original message From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Date: 4/24/20 11:16 AM (GMT-05:00) To: C&C List Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-Lis

Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Josh, If Chris rebuilt the mast step, he must have unstepped the mast..don't know how one could rebuild it without the mast out. Rob On 4/24/2020 12:15 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote: Chris, The prevailing wisdom of this list suggests that the keel bolts only be torqued while the

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Chris, The prevailing wisdom of this list suggests that the keel bolts only be torqued while the boat is resting on its keel, generally about 60% of it's weight depending on the design. In this way you are not turning the nuts against the weight of the keel or even trying to compress the bedding

Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

On 4/23/2020 9:58 PM, Chris Bennett via CnC-List wrote: " two by a turn or more and the other two by less than a turn. I will know if this removed the keel movement when the boat is next hauled out, although I am also thinking of diving on her to see if I can detect any wiggle that way (I live

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Status update: I ended up torquing the keel bolts. They were not incredibly loose but all of them needed tightening, two by a turn or more and the other two by less than a turn. I will know if this removed the keel movement when the boat is next hauled out, although I am also thinking of diving on

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Thanks Denis for the suggestion - I will read up on torque multipliers. Joe - Thanks for your comments. The C&C 24 has large stainless washers (in one case quite a few of them stacked) to spread the load. I will go carefully so as not to crush the fibreglass and if I cannot approach the correct to

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

It isn't just a matter of a torque wrench. It may require a torque multiplier. Most readily available torque wrenches won't do it. Several on the list have done this and benefited by using a torque multiplier. Perhaps they could offer additional suggestions regarding multipliers. Something lik

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

For anyone interested, the keel bolt nuts on the C&C 24 are 3/4 inch at the front of the keel followed by 3 nuts that are 1 1/8". I found the forward nut (the only one I had a socket for) to be barely more than hand tightened. According to specs I found on the C&C owners site this should be at 80 f

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Hi John, Thanks for the tip - will take a look at the Mirage 24 site. Regards, Chris ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to se

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Bennett via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:28 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; mike.h...@impgroup.com Cc: Chris Bennett Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24 Hi Mike, Thanks for the suggestions. I

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Hoyt Persistence 1987 Frers 33 #16 Halifax, NS www.hoytsailing.com<http://www.hoytsailing.com> From: CnC-List On Behalf Of Robert Abbott via CnC-List Sent: April 20, 2020 12:42 PM To: Chris Bennett Cc: Robert Abbott ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24 Ch

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Hi Mike, Thanks for the suggestions. I will test the torque of the bolts later today if my socket is deep enough to do so. If they have not been tightened for 35 years (and the original long term owner assured me he had never done so) then maybe this is the issue. Regards, Chris _

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

> > Thanks Gary and Joe for your positive comments and suggestions. As I > replied to Rob, I am also going to check the keel bolt torques as this may > be the underlying issue. I will definitely rebuild the mast step as well > and get this area level before replacing the compression post base. Re

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Thanks Rob, I will inspect as you suggest. I have also had a few people suggest that I may be looking in the wrong area and that the problem may simply be that the keel bolts are too loose - not loose enough that the keel to sump bonding has failed but loose enough that the keel is moving against

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

l 20, 2020 12:42 PM To: Chris Bennett Cc: Robert Abbott ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24 Chris: Inside, check grid structures and interior pans for cracks, from the pics I think I can see some cracks. Probe all grid, pan, floor, step, and bulkhead b

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Chris: Inside, check grid structures and interior pans for cracks, from the pics I think I can see some cracks. Probe all grid, pan, floor, step, and bulkhead bonds with your flexible blade. Should your inspection reveal hull damage or weakness, you’ll need to deal with this first. Correctiv

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

@cnc-list.com Cc: Della Barba, Joe Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24 Wow – sorry to hear about this :( First off, do NOT troubleshoot this in the water unless prepared to swim home! I think you can do the “survey” yourself, just have the boat in the slings and grab the keel. It

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Wow – sorry to hear about this ☹ First off, do NOT troubleshoot this in the water unless prepared to swim home! I think you can do the “survey” yourself, just have the boat in the slings and grab the keel. It sounded like a pretty obvious issue. Assuming you find this is actually a problem, there

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Lewis - thanks for the suggestion re the video - they did a great job of repairing the floors in that boat - what a huge project! The link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKy-cDy6e8 Neil - thanks for your comments. I wish I had been there for the survey but it was done by the buyer in an

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Hi Chris, Your mast compression post issue is a slightly different version of what many C&Cs of your vintage have experienced.  My 35-1 has basically that same construction to support the bottom of the mast: a stack of plywood lightly encased in fiberglass that spans the bilge at the turn of t

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

There is a Youtube video I believe the channel is called sailing Uma. They have a pearson 38 with the same problem (keel wag) anyhow there is a full video of them repairing it, hope that helps. Lewis Cooke S/V For Play C&C 30-1 #45 On Apr 19, 2020 9:46 PM, "Chris Bennett via CnC-List" wrote: F

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Forgot to add that the surveyor has said he will not provide further comment without an additional survey... On Sun, 19 Apr 2020 at 17:26, Robert Abbott wrote: > Chris, > > Trying to understand exactly what you are describing without a > pictureare you saying the keel is tight to the keel bo

Re: Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Hi Rob, I do have pictures but do not know how best to post them to this forum so I will upload them to my google drive. This is the shareable link: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qEfA4WHGKMVUk6bKch9X4-hXn76AR46C The issue I believe from examining the bilge area is that my C&C 24 has stiffener

Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Chris, Trying to understand exactly what you are describing without a pictureare you saying the keel is tight to the keel box but the keel box is cracked from the hull?  If there is no 'smile' and your keel moves 4"  side to side, what else could it be?  If I understand correctly, that's

Stus-List Keel movement in C&C 24

Hi folks, I own Drifter, a C&C 24 from 1985. A recent survey by a potential buyer found that despite the keel being well attached (no 'smile' or obvious issues with the sump to keel joint) the keel moves up to 4 inches from side to side while the boat is hanging in the slings. The surveyor attribu

Re: Stus-List Keel Smile.

John, I fixed the smile on my 36 back on 2007. I used biaxial cloth and vinylester for the repair. I also went 6 inches on either side of the keel joint.As of last year there is no sign of a smile returningI also had a spot like your picture shows. It was simply a bad spot where w

Re: Stus-List Keel Smile.

Thanks! Sent > On Apr 14, 2020, at 12:59 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER > wrote: > >  >> >> IIRC, my yard used two layers of biaxial 1708 cloth on our keel joint. >> First they ground a shallow tapered valley about 6 inches into the lead and >> 6 inches into the keel stub for the new glass layers

Re: Stus-List Keel Smile.

> IIRC, my yard used two layers of biaxial 1708 cloth on our keel joint. First > they ground a shallow tapered valley about 6 inches into the lead and 6 > inches into the keel stub for the new glass layers. The deepest part of the > valley was maybe 1/8" deep and tapered to nothing. The firs

Re: Stus-List Keel Smile.

Cc: John McCrea Subject: Stus-List Keel Smile. All, I am in the process of fixing the smile on our 1979 36. We are going into season three of ownership and this has been on my list since day one. (I did this job before on my past 1989 37XL in 2005 but had the yard do it.) I have talked to

Stus-List Keel Smile.

All, I am in the process of fixing the smile on our 1979 36. We are going into season three of ownership and this has been on my list since day one. (I did this job before on my past 1989 37XL in 2005 but had the yard do it.) I have talked to several friends that have done it or had it done

Re: Stus-List Keel Gouge Repair

No picture but the repair should be simple. 1. Grind out the gouge and margins to bright lead 2. Immediately apply neat (unthickened) epoxy by rubbing it on with a ScotchBrite pad. This will remove any surface oxidation and coat the lead with epoxy. 3. Fill the with epoxy thickene

Stus-List Keel Gouge Repair

Hello all, While headed up the river to take Zella (35-3) out for the season (yes, I know it's early) I hit some sort of underwater obstruction at about 4kts. Took a chunk out of the keel with it as you can see in the photo. Any suggestions on how to repair? Just clean up the edges and fill it wit

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

I wanted to report back on finishing this job. It turns out that the existing wire went from a threaded hole in the aluminum mast base to a threaded hole in the top of the keep bolt mount. So all I had to do was loosen both bolts (surprisingly, both came off easily), add the new 4G wire and pu

Stus-List keel bolt nut

list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Epstein via CnC-List Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 2:52 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Robbie Epstein Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut My $.02 worth from someone who took a direct lightning strike year before last. On my 40-2, the

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

My $.02 worth from someone who took a direct lightning strike year before last. On my 40-2, the mast sits in a mast shoe, really a box made of 1/4" aluminum, that has two keel bolts attached through it (one directly under the mast itself). I had a small 12 AWG wire that connected the mast to th

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

Nearly guaranteed to be standard SAE size. McMaster-Carr has all the fractionals up to about 3 inches. It you have calipers that will be the easiest method to measure the bolt diameter. If not then use a tape measure and wrap it around the bolt and divide the result by 3.14. Josh On Fri, Jun

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I did not measure the bolt size when I was on the boat and I was not sure if it was some unusual tread type. Dave Dr. David Knecht Professor, Department of Molecular and Cell Biology University of Connecticut 91 N. Eagleville Rd. U-3125 Storrs, CT 06269-3125 860-486-2200 > On Jun 28, 20

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

I don't know what size you are looking for but I whimsically found a 316 SS 1-1/4" on McMaster-Carr for ~$11. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Fri, Jun 28, 2019, 10:38 AM David Knecht via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > That sounds like my setup. I saw a small wi

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

If it were me, I would drill and tap one of the backing plates. However, if you want a simple solution, just strip a bunch of the wire, coat it with TefGel, wrap it around your keel bolt threads and secure it with a hose clamp. Not what I would do and probably not ABYC compliant but it is simple.

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

That sounds like my setup. I saw a small wire extending underneath the keel bolt washer and could not believe that was the connection since it was about 6 AWG on the wire to the step and 14 AWG at the washer. Not sure how it gets from 6 AWG to that thin wire yet. Anyway, I like the tapped alum

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

Mine was like Chuck's. I found the wire to be shockingly small and the copper terminals heavily corroded and poorly terminated. If relatively low voltage and current was able to attach the 1/4-20 bolt to the washer I figure that the current and voltage of lightning will probably be enough to det

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

David, Find the other end under the mast step. If it's like mine, there is a large washer under a keel nut with a 1/4" x 20 stud welded to it, and the ground wire which is simply a foot long battery cable with eyes crimped on each end is fastened to the bolt. CS > On June 27, 2019 at 4:49

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

David wrote: > I need to replace my mast grounding wire with 4 AWG (according to my > surveyor). It appears to connect at one end to the aluminum base plate of > the mast and that nut is accessible and a new cable can be attached with a > lug. I have not yet found the other end. Could it be unde

Re: Stus-List keel bolt nut

Dave, I would drill and tap the closest backing plate with a 10-32 or 1/4-20 thread and use a standard lug.  I might even consider a 5/16-18 thread and use a standard premade ground cable. Neil Schiller 1983 C&C 35-3, #028, "Grace" Whitehall, Michigan WLYC On 6/27/2019 4:49 PM, David Knecht

Stus-List keel bolt nut

I need to replace my mast grounding wire with 4 AWG (according to my surveyor). It appears to connect at one end to the aluminum base plate of the mast and that nut is accessible and a new cable can be attached with a lug. I have not yet found the other end. Could it be under the keel bolt? I

Re: Stus-List Keel bolt question

With all of the discussion of keel bolt backing plates, I uncovered two new stainless steel backing plates and three old mild steel backing plates from our old Redwing 35.  They measure 2.5" X 4" with a 1" diameter hole.  The stainless steel plates are 3/8" thick and the mild steel plates are 1

Stus-List Keel bolt question

Those square plates are steel washers to spread the load - the Wider the better. They were often mild steel (to cut costs). Admittedly they block water. The best solution is to fill in between them - which of course isn’t that much fun . . . . . Cheers, Rob Ball __

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Mine is a 73 also, and dollars to donuts, they are square steel plates. Rusted to shit.  Mine were 3/8 of an inch thick probably 4 by 4. I replace them with stainless steel ones, the same size. I like the heavy plate dispersing the load over a larger area. Probably what you should look into is wher

Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Question

I can't tell you what those things on your boat are but I can tell you that I have a similar problem of water accumulation on my 37+. In mine there is a stack of SS washers under each nut. I wouldn't hesitate to trim them if it was my boat. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD

Stus-List Keel Bolt Question

Hey folks, I pulled my mast for rebuild and upgrades, and while it is out, the step is being rebuilt. I removed the stringers today and as suggested before, while putting it all back together, I will retighten the keel bolts. The bilge is still black and full of grunge, but one thing I've wonder

Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

Hi Charlie, In answer to your questions: Yes, keel bolts can be tightened while the boat is in the water or on a cradle. Intuitively, many have suggested that the boat needs to be on a cradle with the keel supported so the keel is not "hanging". However, a calculation of loads and forces i

Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

; > > > *From:* Ken Heaton > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 12, 2019 2:39 PM > *To:* cnc-list > *Cc:* cenel...@aol.com; bwhitmore ; Rob Ball < > r...@edsonintl.com> > *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question > > > > We had our keel off once a few year

Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

019 2:39 PM To: cnc-list Cc: cenel...@aol.com; bwhitmore ; Rob Ball Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question We had our keel off once a few years ago, to check the keel bolts, and to do some repairs to the the keel sump where there had been some excessive material removed in an earlie

Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

We had our keel off once a few years ago, to check the keel bolts, and to do some repairs to the the keel sump where there had been some excessive material removed in an earlier repair. Our keel weighs 7000 lbs but with the nuts off, hanging on it own weight on just the bolts it didn't move at all

Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

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Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

This was my experience when removing my keel. We had to “break it loose” when lifting the hull. Question for you Rob, my keel joint had epoxy for the keel stub/keel joint which I assumed was done by a PO when the bottom was peeled and epoxy coated. Was it actually done at the plant? Regards, D

Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

I have watched a number of keels removed from a hull. Most all the time the epoxy held the keel when the nuts were removed. In fact there are special wedges made to try to break it loose . . . . . It is a really tough job . . . . Bottom line, in my opinion, it will not matter whether the tor

Re: Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

Hi Charlie, Sorry you have a leak. I believe you have a very unique centerboard version of the 34/36plus. I don't know if they ever made another. Anyway, can you see where the leak is coming from? Was the keel to hull joint showing when it was last on the hard? I would wait until the boat is o

Stus-List Keel bolts comment/question

I am not an engineer in any sense of the word but perhaps someone on the list can critique these thoughts of mine: Keel bolts can be tightened on the hard (while resting on the keel) or in the water while the keel is hanging from the bolts. I suspect the job would be considerably easier (assumin

Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

Hi Josh, 316L S/S is better than 316 for welding applications. The L (low carbon) helps prevent rust stains at the weld interface. 304 and even duplex S/S (2205, sometimes called 18-8) will be fine for keelbolt washers if it is all that is available. Cheers, Russ At 08:09 AM 1/1

Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

Thanks Everyone, I think I've got enough info to get it done. I have to measure things and make decisions. I'm definitely going with a bedded backing plate, and washer. Kind of excited to get the bilge cleaned up to the level that it can take epoxy :) Dan On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 1:25 PM schiller

Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

For our old Redwing 35 (C&C 35-1), I had 300 Series Stainless backing plates made to replace the mild steel backing plates on her when we bought it.  I wish I could tell you how much they cost, but a friend that owns an aerospace machine company made them out of a scrap piece of stainless he ha

Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

Awesome, Thanks Rob, I'll check this out! Dan On Tue, Jan 15, 2019 at 12:14 PM robert wrote: > Dan: > > Try a Fastenall outlet hereI know there is one in Dartmouth, been > there for various things..maybe one in Halifax. > > Another alternative is to have Rod's Machine Shop in Burnside m

Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

wimpy for the amount of torque that these support, unless they are properly bedded. Bill Coleman C&C 39 Erie, PA From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dan via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 9:58 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Dan Subject: Stus-

Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

Dan: Try a Fastenall outlet hereI know there is one in Dartmouth, been there for various things..maybe one in Halifax. Another alternative is to have Rod's Machine Shop in Burnside make you what you need. Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - #277 Halifax, N.S. On 2019-01-15 10:57 a.m., Dan vi

Re: Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

Dan, Mine came with SS washers. You can most likely find them on McMaster-Carr or just make them out of SS sheet. If I was making them I'd just cut them square. You'll probably want no less than 3/32". There is nothing wrong with anything thicker. You’ll find cutting SS is a challenge. A mac

Stus-List Keel Bolt Washers

Hi All, I know this has been discussed many times here but this is a quick and simple one. I'm going to be torquing my keel bolts this spring and I've noticed that the washers/spacers under some of the nuts are coroding and need to be replaced. I'd like to change them out for Stainless Steel. Wh

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

I know of one lightning strike that happened when a boat was on the hard at the same boatyard. The boat was a Bristol 54 I think, very well built and heavily bonded and protected for a lightning strike. It had that little lightning dissapator on the top of the mast. All of his electronics were f

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

ABYC makes no specific prescriptions regarding lighting. As such there is no one "right" way. One train of thought is to bring the top of the mast to the same potential and the water, effectively drawing lightning to the boat. Under this methodology you are really proving protection to the occup

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

Many years ago a friend treated the bare lead with a red lead paint.  Then he used the barrier coat and finally bottom paint.  Held up quite well.No expoxy involved in his method.  And fairly straight forward.Is the red lead no longer available?RonWild CheriCYC 30-1STL ___

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

Many years ago a friend treated the bare lead with a red lead paint.  Then he used the barrier coat and finally bottom paint.  Held up quite well.No expoxy involved in his method.Is the red lead no longer available?RonWild CheriCYC 30-1STL ___

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

I'm wondering about grounding for lightning protection with an epoxy coated keel. Isn't that why the mast is connected, electrically to the keel. I've had lightning strike very close, which aroused my interest in avoidance of being hit Al Liles SV Elendil C&C 37/40+ Vancouver > On May 3, 2018

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f fixing it is worth the expense. From: Dave Godwin via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 8:38 PM To: C&C List Cc: Dave Godwin Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel treatment Watching this thread with interest. Currently have 6,000 lbs of exposed lead (yes, not safe or ideal…) sitting in a c

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

Watching this thread with interest. Currently have 6,000 lbs of exposed lead (yes, not safe or ideal…) sitting in a cradle in the yard. FWIW, a former owner of “Ronin” sliced off the top layer of below waterline gelcoat and recoated everything with epoxy. And apparently the keel was dropped duri

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

Neill, I've always wetsanded the lead with West Systems epoxy. Then sanded for tooth and applied bottom paint. No issues so far. Chris Price On May 3, 2018 at 5:26 PM Neil Gallagher via CnC-List wrote: Richard, I'm dealing with exactly the same issue, had the bottom soda blasted to bare lead and

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

Be careful about that first coat of bottom paint. It depends on the paint. From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2018 5:35 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Josh Muckley Subject: Re: Stus-List Keel treatment I believe West Systems suggests scrubbing epoxy into the metal with

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

I’ll also pile on and say that Josh and Dennis’ method works quite nicely. It was my boat that Dennis repaired and the epoxy bond to the lead was quite strong. I know because I tested it extensively after he was done and gone and not looking. Kevin Benoit S/V Guru 1976 MKII 35’ On Thu, May 3, 20

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Josh is on track. I just helped fix a "smile" on a 35-2. Sanded to bare lead then quickly applied epoxy with a 3M scrub pad with vigorous rubbing. Minimizes the oxidation and promotes a good bond. Once you get the epoxy on the lead then you can apply barrier coat, paint, fairing, whatever. Den

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

I believe West Systems suggests scrubbing epoxy into the metal with a wire brush or a scrubby pad. Anytime an epoxy coating is applied (west systems, interprotect, etc) I've been told that to ensure proper adhesion between layers you need to apply the next layer while the last coating is still sof

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

Richard A few years back when I fixed the C&C smile I took my keel down to the bare lead. At that time I read some where that epoxy wouldn’t stick to the lead unless it was free of oxidation. Hard to do with lead. I also learned that the best way to apply the epoxy and get it to bond was to

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

Richard, I'm dealing with exactly the same issue, had the bottom soda blasted to bare lead and what's left of my gelcoat.  I called Interlux about this, their tech rep recommended Interprotect 2000E on both the hull and the lead.  For the lead he recommended thinning the first coat 15%-20% wit

Re: Stus-List Keel treatment

To the group; I have removed all of the old bottom paint and some old faring compound from my keel and it is now down to bare lead; what should I use for a sealant/primer on the bare metal, before putting on a barrier coat, and what is the best method for application? I have also taken the hull

Re: Stus-List Keel bolt torque

I'll just surprise her with that one! On Mon, Jan 22, 2018, 3:32 PM Joel Aronson via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Just don't tell her about greasing the winch! > > > > V

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