Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

2020-04-20 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Also, Saw the door… as in the tool… Gino Villarini Founder/President @gvillarini t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 m: [https://mcusercontent.com/491678685aaddc31e08616413/images/756812e5-24a6-4693-a923-7a1d8f55546d.png] [https://image.ibb.co/noQeyp/inc500.png]

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
I’ll be interested to see the overall death rates for the US during this time. I suspect that they will be down from their usual levels, overall, even with the virus. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Apr 19, 2020, at 7:21 PM, ch...@

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Matt Hoppes
This is correct, there have been a few were accidents, and other deaths related to usual activities. > On Apr 20, 2020, at 7:53 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote: > > I’ll be interested to see the overall death rates for the US during this > time. I suspect that they will be down from their us

Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
People think they are blameless, they are just exercising their right to be an a**hole online. Then they do the equivalent of killing John Wick’s puppy. And their online activity has repercussions IRL. Or maybe a better analogy would be my favorite YouTube clip of the moon landing denier h

Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

2020-04-20 Thread Dennis Burgess via AF
Disconnect customer. Not worth the issues. Simple as that. [LTI-Full_175px] Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition" Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Ser

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
Didn't your governor procure PPE stuff in stealth mode to keep FEMAs hands from stealing these supplies? That doesn't inept to me, Steve. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 6:02 AM Matt Hoppes wrote: > This is correct, there have been a few were accidents, and other deaths > related to usual activities. > >

Re: [AFMUG] funny - Sierra la Puerta

2020-04-20 Thread Jaime Solorza
Claro que si mi buen Gino...saludos y abrazos On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:46 AM Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Also, Saw the door… as in the tool… > > > > *Gino* > *Villarini *Founder/President > @gvillarini > t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204 > m: > [image: aeronet-logo] [image: inc5

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Josh Luthman
It's my understanding that in 8 weeks all you have to do is prove you did payroll for 75% of the amount loaned. In your case, show 90k came out of the account to payroll. The reports that the payroll company does, I'm told, should suffice. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
I am normally pretty optimistic, so feeling a bit cynical this morning: If aliens landed in a mars attacks style, if would become partisan politics before they even left the spacecraft. If Jesus appeared walking across the sea, helping fishermen gather a catch, PETA and Greenpeace would be fi

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
We are still going to keep it sequestered. I should have been paying myself... From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:02 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan It's my understanding that in 8 weeks all you have to do is prove you did payroll for

[AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Looks a bit Gaussian to me. I hope... -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Blame Bill Gates. And 5G. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:17 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus I am normally pretty optimistic, so feeling a bit cynical this morning: If aliens landed in a mars attacks style, i

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRkXF3TKy54 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:20:55 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT still a

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
That probably is (modestly) good news. But how anyone can look at that curve and say it's over, I don't know. That curve is probably dominated by the early hit densely populated areas like New York, where they are still only slightly off the peak death rate and are still piling bodies in refriger

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Injections?... hmmm Depending on the injection might be kinda pleasant. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:22 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus Blame Bill Gates. And 5G. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 202

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
I look at the curve and say we are half over. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:33 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism That probably is (modestly) good news. But how anyone can look at that curve and say it’s over,

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
I am guessing we don’t want to degauss this curve. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRkXF3TKy54 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Sol

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Unless we relax and get a double bump. From: ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:44 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism I look at the curve and say we are half over. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:3

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I think double or even triple bumps are inevitable without China-level lock-downs or vaccines. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Gro

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread castarritt .
It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in an attempt to cause a controlled spread that won't overwhelm the healthcare industry too much, but eventually cause enough people to catch the virus that we dev

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Moo From: castarritt . Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism It's looking like the doctors have come up with reasonably effective treatment methods, so I bet we will slowly relax social distancing in

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Hopefully we will have a vaccine by fall. Hopefully they will have sorted out what treatments work by July. Hopefully lotsa good testing by June. But baseball seems to be totally f*cked. Hopefully not college football too... From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:49 AM To: AnimalFa

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
Why are we mooing? Can I cluck like a chicken instead? On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Moo *From:* castarritt . *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:04 AM *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism It's looking like the doctors

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
I think fall is overly optimistic. That would barely be enough to get through early testing. Early 2021 is my bet for the earliest availability of an actual vaccine. bp On 4/20/2020 9:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread castarritt .
I said herd immunity, but brood immunity does sound cooler. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:07 AM Adam Moffett wrote: > Why are we mooing? > > Can I cluck like a chicken instead? > > > On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > > Moo > > *From:* castarritt . > *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:0

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
We got this at 20:00 last night. bp On 4/20/2020 9:07 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: Why are we mooing? Can I cluck like a chicken instead? On 4/20/2020 12:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Harem immunity. From: castarritt . Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:09 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism I said herd immunity, but brood immunity does sound cooler. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:07 AM Adam Moffett wrote: Why are we

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
Time will tell based on whether it actually starts declining in a meaningful way, or whether we're going to bump along for a bit. Remember, the goal was to flatten the curve; it wasn't necessarily going to reduce the number of infections. I get the impression that

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
The funny thing is when you talk about politicizing a crisis, everyone thinks you're talking about someone else but not them. It's everyone and it always will be. Every elected person has to address every situation with the mentality of "what will voters want me to do?".  Or perhaps, "what do

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
It would not be a correct assumption that this man is telling the truth. He may very well have gotten the cargo shipment. He's 100 percent lying about the ppe shortage at the chicago hospitals, this comes from nurses there, not politicians and administrators. He lied about getting the wrong masks f

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
What are the treatments that are now working? I try to be optimistic about antivirals and convalescent plasma, but right now they mainly have ventilators, which honestly aren't very successful if 70-80% of the people die. They keep doing that because it's the textbook therapy for respiratory dist

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett
I think Bill Gates said his foundation was going to fund full production lines of the top 7 or so vaccines ASAP, scrapping all but the one or two eventually chosen to actually treat the world with. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brother

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Just contrasting the current situation to what I know about WWII. Everyone seemed to get behind the war effort irrespective of politics. I came of age during Vietnam. So we had the polar opposite of that in those years. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:24 AM To: af@af.afmu

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Josh Luthman
Why were you not? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:19 AM wrote: > We are still going to keep it sequestered. I should have been paying > myself... > > *From:* Josh Luthman > *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread castarritt .
That sounds like a recipe for community spread of the Ragingthunderflu-April-2020, May-2020, June-2020... On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 11:18 AM wrote: > Harem immunity. > > *From:* castarritt . > *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 10:09 AM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
In Europe, Germany is being held up as doing the right things. As opposed to Italy, Spain, France. What I didn’t realize was that Angela Merkel was a former scientist. Nerds rule! Fauci for President! https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/world/europe/with-broad-random-tests-for-antibodies-g

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
I think Rita Wilson and Tom Hanks got the malaria drug. They don’t know if it worked but they felt better after getting it. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:33 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism What are the tre

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
Instead of ventilators, they are just giving oxygen in a couple of different ways. There was an acronym that was mentioned in one of the articles I read, but I can't recall what it was except it had an "O" in it (for oxygen). The big issue with dialysis is that th

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/british-bakers-reintroduce-world-war-ii-bread-coronavirus-fight-n1180536 From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:38 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus Just contrasting the current situation to what I know ab

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
dunno... Why pay FICA for myself when I don’t need to? I can take a repayment on notes payable if I want money without any tax implication. Or I can take a directors fee without FICA if I want to take money. But what in the hell am I going to do with a bunch of money in my checking account?

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
ECMO? From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:41 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism Instead of ventilators, they are just giving oxygen in a couple of different ways. There was an acronym that was mentioned in one of

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
I wish fauci would be able to handle this from a completely sterile scientific standpoint. But the media would not approve of what would be required. I dont think I'd care for it either. Listen to the scientists sounds pretty, until you actually listen to them. The best way to eliminate almost anyt

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
All the news about WW2 came from the government. Perhaps it would have gone differently if you had a bunch of bobble heads on TV giving a play by play and giving their personal commentary. In Vietnam they embedded reporters with the troops, and that dramatically affected how the war was seen,

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Time to book that trip to Mars. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:46 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan dunno... Why pay FICA for myself when I don’t need to? I can take a repayment on notes payable if I want

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
I had to look it up: ja·bro·ni /jəˈbrōnē/ noun INFORMAL•US 1.. a foolish or contemptible person. "get it together, you jabronis" From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:01 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus All the news about WW2 came from the government. Per

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Not into growing potatoes in poop. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:02 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan Time to book that trip to Mars. From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:46 AM To: AnimalFarm

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
That was it. bp On 4/20/2020 9:46 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: ECMO?     From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
That's only necessary if you have a big wind storm that forces you to abandon the planet, and according to NdGT, that ain't gonna happen. bp On 4/20/2020 10:05 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe there’ll be a robot bartender, and you can find Jennifer Lawrence’s pod and awaken her. Oh wait, wrong movie. I was actually thinking of Elon Musk, isn’t he going to send a bunch of people on one-way trips to Mars? Tell him you’re diabetic and he needs to stock something low-carb to

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Lewis Bergman
I doubt this attachment will make it through but here is a checklist from the SBA for PPP forgiveness. Just in case the attachment is stripped, here it is below: This information will be needed to present to the bank or SBA for Loan Forgiveness: 1. Copies of payroll tax reports file with the

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
I always thought jabroni was a derogatory term for an italian. Learn something new every day On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 12:06 PM wrote: > I had to look it up: > ja·bro·ni > /jəˈbrōnē/ > *noun* > INFORMAL•US > >1. a foolish or contemptible person. >"get it together, you jabronis" > > > *From:*

Re: [AFMUG] customers with repeat DDoS attacks

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
Buzz Aldrin thumping that jerkoff is probably one of the greatest american moments in my life. Guys that strapped themselves to missiles so they could ride around in rocket powered coffins to be able to jump around on space rocks wearing a fishbowl arent really the onesnid consider talking smack to

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
Do you remember the Beverly hillbillies episode where the greedy banker was working to get grannies cure for the common cold? I'm pretty sure at the end of the day, it will be grannies cure On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 11:34 AM Ken Hohhof wrote: > What are the treatments that are now working? I try to

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Thanks From: Lewis Bergman Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 11:20 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan I doubt this attachment will make it through but here is a checklist from the SBA for PPP forgiveness. Just in case the attachment is stripped, here it is

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread dave
It mutating and soon im sure the mutation could have the same affect as the walking dead. On 4/20/20 11:08 AM, Bill Prince wrote: I think fall is overly optimistic. That would barely be enough to get through early testing. Early 2021 is my bet for the earliest availability of an actual vacc

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Josh Luthman
I thought it was bad to have a business and not pay the owners "a reasonable salary". Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM wrote: > dunno... Why pay FICA for myself when I don’t need to? I can take a

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Maybe each mutation will make the virus less deadly. Ever see the movie Multiplicity? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiplicity_(film) From: AF On Behalf Of dave Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:50 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism It mut

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Corporation I am a minority shareholder. My wife is the majority shareholder. But you still don’t have to pay shareholders anything. If they are on the board of directors they can earn a directors fee. From: Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread James Howard
You could record that from my back deck most nights of the week. Thankfully they don’t seem to come close to our buildings for some reason. My neighbor said he got a pic of 12 of them eating an adult deer about half way down his driveway a couple of years ago. We never knew if the deer was hi

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp. However, our accountant advised us to pay ourselves a token salary to avoid troublesome revenuers. bp On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread James Howard
I think Josh is referring to a situation typically in an LLC or S-Corp where someone runs the company but takes little or no salary and then takes large distributions to avoid FICA and social security. From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Monday, April 20,

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that would go well. bp On 4/20/2020 11:17 AM, James Howard wrote: You could record

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread James Howard
My in-laws’ lot backs up to a “nature preserve” in a city nearby us. They used to have coyotes in the back yard all the time. The neighbors started complaining to the city because all their cats were disappearing. One neighbor had their black lab mauled by the coyotes and the next house down

[AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Jeremy Grip
Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber pricing per strand mile? I’m trying to figure out if the rates Vermont asks for state-owned fiber are reasonable, see the attached. Jeremy Grip, LTLOP (long time lurker, occasional poster) -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://a

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Around here they are looking for a cat snack. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:22 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm sure that

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Does not look bad to me. From: Jeremy Grip Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:44 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber pricing per strand mile? I’m trying to figure out if the rates Vermont asks for sta

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Most WISPS started as a side hustle I think. From: Bill Prince Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:20 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp. However, our accountant advised us to pay ourselves a token salary t

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Only after Pearl Harbor...and the Nazi’s foolishly declaring war on the US in the immediate aftermath. Jeff Broadwick CTIconnect 312-205-2519 Office 574-220-7826 Cell jbroadw...@cticonnect.com > On Apr 20, 2020, at 12:38 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > >  > Just contrasting the current situation

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Sad... http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:00 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus Only after Pearl Harbor...and the Nazi’s foolishly declaring war on the US in the immediate aftermath. Jeff Broadwick CTIcon

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Sterling Jacobson
That’s not bad, on par with some long term dark fiber rental contracts I have currently. From: AF On Behalf Of Jeremy Grip Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 12:44 PM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber prici

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Chris Fabien
Those seem like fair rates, is that all inclusive or will you also get billed for maintenance annually or per-event? On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:44 PM Jeremy Grip wrote: > Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber pricing per strand > mile? I’m trying to figure out if the rates Vermont

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
Comparable to what I've seen before. It seems nuts when you multiply it out over 30 miles, but not as nuts as building it. On 4/20/2020 2:44 PM, Jeremy Grip wrote: Can anybody give me an idea of reasonable dark fiber pricing per strand mile? I’m trying to figure out if the rates Vermont as

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Nate Burke
I'm not in the dark fiber game, but what do you mean by 'per-event' billing? Like if there's a fiber cut, you're responsible for part of the repair cost? Or is that for like accessing the electronics on the ends of the fiber. On 4/20/2020 2:10 PM, Chris Fabien wrote: Those seem like fair rat

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Adam Moffett
In my experience you pay a recurring maintenance fee to cover repairs and such. You don't get to access their cases, so you leave them a pigtail and they splice it into their system.  Often you pay each time you need them to make a connection for you (hopefully just the once). On 4/20/2020

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open) and snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the kitchen table and were dumbfounded while they watched their little wiener dog disappear forever. bp On 4/20/2020 11:35 AM, James

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Bill Prince
Ours was. We just wanted broadband at the time (we have a 73,000' line to the nearest CO and dialup got us 26 Kbps on a good day). When I first learned of the last mile problem, I realized that conventional wired broadband would probably not happen here in my life

Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

2020-04-20 Thread Daniel White
Assuming the LTE signal is good it shouldn't be too big of an issue.  I've not done any real testing with an active SIP session but I might give that a shot soon. Thank you, photograph Daniel White Co-Founder & Managing Director of Operations phone: +1 (702) 470-2770 direct:+1 (702) 470-276

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Bruce Robertson
That's almost exactly how my company started. On 4/20/20 12:38 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Ours was. We just wanted broadband at the time (we have a 73,000' line to the nearest CO and dialup got us 26 Kbps on a good day). When I first learned of the last mile problem, I realized that conventional

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Nate Burke
So do you only pay for the dark fiber for the physical cable length that they have it, Like Splice box to splice box, then you put a pig tail on the end of that. Or Would the 'Connection' cost be for every splice box they have to go through. Say, a connection from City A to City C, but the Fi

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Me too. From: Bruce Robertson Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 2:53 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan That's almost exactly how my company started. On 4/20/20 12:38 PM, Bill Prince wrote: Ours was. We just wanted broadband at the time (we have a 73,000' line to the ne

Re: [AFMUG] Is PRI voice still a thing?

2020-04-20 Thread Lewis Bergman
We have several LTE backup customers. If you leave it in an "active" state you can pull the plug and nobody knows the difference. It uses a lot of data so most of ours settle for the roughly 10 second reregistration if the setup that cheers almost no data. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 3:29 PM Daniel Whit

[AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread Gilbert Gutierrez
Those of you that applied...What schedules did you attach to your 601 application? There is a lot with the application and being able to narrow it down would be a help. Gilbert -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
ha On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM wrote: > Sad... http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh > > *From:* Jeff Broadwick - Lists > *Sent:* Monday, April 20, 2020 1:00 PM > *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus > > Only after Pearl Harbor...and the Nazi’s foolishly declaring wa

Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Finally. From: Steve Jones Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 4:04 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Virus ha On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 4:41 PM wrote: Sad... http://tinyurl.com/2g9mqh From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 1:00 PM To: Anima

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Keefe John
What's your idea of a token salary in respect to an S-Corp? Keefe On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:21 PM Bill Prince wrote: > We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp. > However, our accountant advised us to pay ourselves a token salary to avoid > troublesome revenuers. > > bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT guvmnt loan

2020-04-20 Thread Lewis Bergman
Minimum wage On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 6:18 PM Keefe John wrote: > What's your idea of a token salary in respect to an S-Corp? > > Keefe > > > > On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, 1:21 PM Bill Prince wrote: > >> We did not pay ourselves for the first 2 or 3 years of our S-corp. >> However, our accountant advise

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
Then you don't understand social distancing and herd immunity. This is just moving the infection rate out into the future spread over a much longer range.   We still get infected to 70-80% before herd immunity kicks in about 2-3 months _before_ the current schedule of vaccine availability.   1/

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
J&J is proclaiming LOUDLY that they will have 1 Billion doses of vaccine in 2 months.  But it won't be available to administer until testing completes in January.  So IF that vaccine completes testing _successfully_ ( big IF ).  They will be ready for world innoculation ( and they say at no pro

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
The Indians ( big continent ones ) have already said they have a mutation recorded that is less lethal..  But it hasn't been peer reviewed.  So it's yet another twitter rumor level without that.. On 4/20/20 11:08 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Maybe each mutation will make the virus less deadly.  Ever

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread chuck
Just look at the Spanish flu curves. They had no vaccine. They conquered it by quarantine and social distancing. From: Robert Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 5:37 PM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism Then you don't understand social distancing and he

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
They will send a female in heat around the male dogs to get them to go out after the female and then kill the dog.   More than a couple around here. On 4/20/20 11:22 AM, Bill Prince wrote: Coyotes around here come close to the houses and try to lure the domestic dogs to join their pack. I'm

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
We've had a couple of recent cases of them jumping 6 foot fences and making off with small dogs.  People are putting up the rollers on the edges of the fences to prevent that. On 4/20/20 12:34 PM, Bill Prince wrote: One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open) and

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert
And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917 almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19.  The burst back in 1918 was apparently pretty nasty.. On 4/20/20 4:51 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: Just look at the Spanish flu curves.  They had no vacci

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Ken Hohhof
Not that it matters, but where does 2 months come from? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/1-billion-bet-pharma-giant-and-us-go vernment-team-all-out-coronavirus-vaccine-push (And I hope someone is setting up to manufacture 1 billion syringes.) From: AF On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Mond

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Chuck McCown
The main curves were similar to what we are seeing. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 20, 2020, at 6:02 PM, Robert wrote: > >  And it went from winter of 1917 through summer in 1918 with summer 1917 > almost dying away due to better results in warm weather than Covid-19. The > burst back in 1918

Re: [AFMUG] 5.9 STA

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
has anyone put together a tutorial On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 4:47 PM Gilbert Gutierrez < mailing-li...@phxinternet.com> wrote: > Those of you that applied...What schedules did you attach to your 601 > application? There is a lot with the application and being able to > narrow it down would be a he

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Robert Andrews
President of J&J on today show I think a week ago ( time is getting very weird these days ) On 04/20/2020 05:03 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: Not that it matters, but where does 2 months come from? https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/1-billion-bet-pharma-giant-and-us-government-team-all-out-corona

Re: [AFMUG] Dark Fiber Pricing

2020-04-20 Thread Chris Fabien
I think a yearly maintenance fee is the typical arrangement but have also heard of a strand leesee or maybe IRU owner needing to share a portion of the costs for, say, a cable relocation due to road widening. All depends on the agreement in place. You can also expect to pay their splicer each time

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
they went through three seasons of it, the lady with fauci even talked about it a couple weeks ago. takes three seasons for the herd to have sufficient natural immunity. On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 7:21 PM Chuck McCown wrote: > The main curves were similar to what we are seeing. > > Sent from my iPh

Re: [AFMUG] OT still a bit of hope and optimism

2020-04-20 Thread Steve Jones
I never understood people that want to live near nature, but then get mad because nature does nature stuff On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bill Prince wrote: > One of our neighbors had a coyote waltz into their house (door was open) > and snatch their dachshund. They were sitting at the kitchen

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