Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled 
with Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet 
Recovery. I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from 
the Mac App Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not 
my primary machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible 
consequences.


On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Warning: whiny rant ahead.

I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came with 
it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would still be 
preferable to going back to Windows.

I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, made me realise just how 
stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS 
envy.  The small number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily have been 
foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like 
Snow Leopard.  How could I have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the 
"Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome change, even for some 
trifling little benefit which they will sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.

So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is that 
newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and comes 
from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, because Apple 
has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get system software 
updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I asked.  There are a 
couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make it worth having, like 
invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process Safari.  However, you'll have 
to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you need it, and there are definite 
stability issues.

/me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and live 
forever in a better time ...

No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.

Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not telling 
you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.

Cheers,
Sabahattin



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Re: so how does one open an attachment in the latest iteration of mail?

[Steve Holmes]

I think this would be a whole lot easier if mail.app would support external, 
rather than inline attachments but that is probably more an issue with outgoing 
mail more so than receiving. But still, I usually prefer to use the main menu 
bar and select File -> Save Attachments and work from there; not sure how it 
does with multiple attachments. When doing this, I am saving the file out of 
Mail and then dealing with it from Finder or whatever.

I prefer this approach because viewing attachments from within mail clients or 
web browsers often brings out accessibility issues and probably even more 
important, security problems can often be avoided if files are dealt with 
externally. I never like to open attachments from within emails. This is 
especially the case with executable files.

I express these remarks considering all platforms.

On Jul 25, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Interesting, thanks.  I forget about gmail issues, b/c I don't use a gmail 
> account.  It seemed so odd that it would happen with this one innocuous 
> message, it's nice to at least have a possible explanation.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jul 25, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
>> In the advanced area of account settings in Mail there is a check box to 
>> download all attachments. Is this checked for you?
>> until the message was opened. Considering how large mail spools can be these 
>> days and the fact that GMAIL takes a bit to sync it might have just been a 
>> timing issue. 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:12 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Gabe,
>>> 
>>> Well, I'm glad someone else has noticed this problem.  Seems  very strange. 
>>>  Just tried your solution, and still no luck.  I am starting to wonder if 
>>> there's something strange with this attachment.  But I forwarded the 
>>> message to my PC, and had no trouble opening it in windows.  Very odd.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.
>>> Cheers,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Gabe Griffith  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I've also noticed that command y doesn't seem to work as easily. I have to 
 press vo space to get in to menu and then escape to get back to the email 
 message. I can then usually use command y to open quick look and view the 
 attachment.
 
 Gabe
 
 
 On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
> Hmm.  Ok. I tried all of those things and none of them worked.  Maybe 
> there's something weird about the attachment.
> 
> Thanks anyway for responding.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:11 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>> What do you mean.  You can open the message and navigate to the 
>> attachment to do a VO-shift-m on it or simply do a command-y on the 
>> message to Quick Look the attachment where you can also open it.  
>> Nothing has changed to my knowledge.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
>> Mountain Lion
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I have a message with a PDF attached, and can't open it for the life of 
>>> me.  What's up?  What is the new way for doing this?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Devin Prater]

Well, my Mac came with mountain lion, so I don't know what the good about snow 
leopard is. I do wish the speech server was more responsive, which can be 
tested by noticing the time between the VoiceOver sounds and speech. 

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 2:51, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
> Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet Recovery. 
> I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the Mac App 
> Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my primary 
> machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.
> 
>> On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> Warning: whiny rant ahead.
>> 
>> I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
>> that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came with 
>> it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would still 
>> be preferable to going back to Windows.
>> 
>> I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, 
>> made me realise just how stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS 
>> X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS envy.  The small 
>> number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily 
>> have been foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most liked 
>> about a clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard.  How could I have 
>> upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the "Magic" of 
>> Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome change, 
>> even for some trifling little benefit which they will sell as a "Feature" to 
>> justify an entire OS upgrade.
>> 
>> So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is that 
>> newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and comes 
>> from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, because 
>> Apple has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get system 
>> software updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I asked.  
>> There are a couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make it worth 
>> having, like invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process Safari.  
>> However, you'll have to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you need it, 
>> and there are definite stability issues.
>> 
>> /me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and 
>> live forever in a better time ...
>> 
>> No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.
>> 
>> Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not telling 
>> you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[Steve Holmes]

The Mutt Unix command line mail client seems to support private replies pretty 
well. Even when the list forces the normal reply function to go to the list, 
Mutt offers you the choice of sending to original sender or to the list. On the 
opposite side of the coin, Some lists make it nearly impossible to reply to the 
list without having to do a group reply and end up sending a message to both 
the original sender and the list. Again, Mutt has a "List-reply" function which 
will always send a single message to the list. Thunderbird also sports a 
List-Reply function.

I'm not aware of these official specs being discussed in this thread but at 
least some email clients (few) do make it easier to get around on these mailing 
lists with their inconsistent implementations.

On Jul 24, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I agree; it's even less fun for list admins and postmasters who now have to 
> patch stuff up for no conceivable reason just to keep the messages flowing, 
> trust me.  The world would be a better place without either Yahoo or AOL, and 
> if we could just stop them from posting, our problems would be solved. :)
> 
> There is work being done in the relevant groups (and by "Work", I mean 
> catering to the damage, because the big guys have already made up their 
> minds) to make the behaviour consistent.  The best fix I saw was in 
> LISTSERV(R), which creates a per-subscriber alias so behaviour continues to 
> be exactly as it always was.  Sadly, LISTSERV(R) costs $10,000 plus annual 
> subscription just for the "Classic" (i.e. not crippled) version, and I ain't 
> got that kinda money.
> 
> If/when you switch to Mail.app, the critical thing is to check all the fields 
> before you send.  Each name is an embedded object that reveals the address 
> when you click on it, and it can be copied from one field to another.  So 
> regardless of the behaviour, you can get replies sent where you need them to 
> go, even if it's not the easiest thing in the world to do.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

[Jason White]

Steve Holmes  wrote:
> The Mutt Unix command line mail client seems to support private replies
> pretty well. Even when the list forces the normal reply function to go to
> the list, Mutt offers you the choice of sending to original sender or to the
> list. 

And if you have Homebrew installed on your Mac, you can run "brew install
mutt" to install Mutt.

By the way, Mutt is not a command line client; it uses a textual, terminal
interface however. If you want a command line client, try nmh, although I
don't know whether it runs under OS X.

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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Christopher Hallsworth]

I wish I could install Snow Lepard on my Mac smile. But if I'm correct 
Apple does not allow such downgrades because of when they were sold.


On 26/07/2014 09:45, Devin Prater wrote:

Well, my Mac came with mountain lion, so I don't know what the good about snow 
leopard is. I do wish the speech server was more responsive, which can be 
tested by noticing the time between the VoiceOver sounds and speech.


On Jul 26, 2014, at 2:51, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet Recovery. I 
could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the Mac App Store. 
Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my primary machine I don't 
mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.


On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
Warning: whiny rant ahead.

I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came with 
it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would still be 
preferable to going back to Windows.

I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, made me realise just how 
stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS 
envy.  The small number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily have been 
foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like 
Snow Leopard.  How could I have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the 
"Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome change, even for some 
trifling little benefit which they will sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.

So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is that 
newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and comes 
from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, because Apple 
has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get system software 
updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I asked.  There are a 
couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make it worth having, like 
invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process Safari.  However, you'll have 
to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you need it, and there are definite 
stability issues.

/me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and live 
forever in a better time ...

No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.

Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not telling 
you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.

Cheers,
Sabahattin


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Snow Leopard, again

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Hi all
Check this out the Apple online store still sells good old Snow Leopard 
for about 14 quid in the UK and does come on DVD.


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Re: question about apple mail boxes

[Steve Holmes]

One thing that might make Clifton's solution work is if he has mouse pointer 
set to follow the VO cursor. I'm sure changes in this option could impact this 
operation. Personally, I haven't added any mail boxes to the favorites so don't 
have any additional personal experience to go on.

On Jul 20, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:

> Well, I have done it on all 3 of my machines.  My Mac mini, MBP, and MBA I 
> did it exactly the same.  
> Are you a Christian?  Looking for a convenient bible study?  Do you have 
> Skype?  Well I host a fun, easy to follow bible study on skype.  If you'd 
> like to join us, just contact me.
> [iMessage&Email] m.kliph...@icloud.com
> http://twitter.com/MinisterKliph
> Hope you can join us!
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> 
> On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:43 PM, gs  wrote:
> 
>> Kliphton -
>> 
>> 
>> This was not my experience with dragging the mailboxes to favorites.  Let's 
>> hope we hear from others regarding whether it was necessary to move the 
>> mouse pointer to the item under the VO cursor to cause the action to be 
>> successful.  Conflicting information causes confusion so it will be good to 
>> know whether others were successful at accomplishing this without that step.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 10:35 AM, Kliphton Senior  wrote:
>> 
>> In mavericks, the vo tracking with cmd f5 is not necessary.  Just interact 
>> with the messages table, do vo keys plus command shift space, un interact, 
>> go to favorites and inter act, repeat vo command shift space to the right of 
>> the mailbox where you want it and your done.  Repeat the process for your 
>> other favorites and where you want them.
>>  
>>  
>> ~iMessage,Email&FaceTime-Audio~ m.kliph...@gmail.com
>> 
>> ~Twitter,Instagram,FourSquare&Skype~ kliphton72
>> 
>> ~Text only~ 727-266-5283
>> 
>> "Personal blog-read at your own risk!" http://kliphskorner.wordpress.com
>>  
>> From: 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2014 9:55 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: question about applemail boxes
>>  
>> Yes, drag it to your favorites bar. Each mailbox in there is assigned the 
>> number it is in line, so the Inbox is command-1 since it is first.
>>  
>> To drag:
>> 1. Find the mailbox in the mailboxes table (interact with the table first) 
>> and route the mouse there with vo-cmd-f5.
>> 2. Disable cursor tracking with vo-shift-f3, then lock the mouse down with 
>> vo-cmd-shift-space.
>> 3. Stop interacting and find your favorites bar. Put the vo cursor on any 
>> folder in that bar, route the mouse again (vo-cmd-f5), and unlock it 
>> (vo-cmd-shift-space).
>> 4. Use the same commands to drag mailboxes around on the favorites bar if 
>> you want a different order. When you're done, remember to re-enable cursor 
>> tracking with vo-shift-f3, or things will start behaving rather oddly.
>> On Jul 20, 2014, at 8:17 AM, alia robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> You know how some of the mailboxes are moved to with keystorkes, i.e. inbox 
>> is command+1. Is there a way to set a command up for a mailbox you want to 
>> move to? I hope this makes sense. 
>> 
>> Alia
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got the yosemite beta

[Dionipher Presas Herrera]

can i discuss here about the beta?
> On 26 Jul 2014, at 11:33, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> Check this out the Apple online store still sells good old Snow Leopard for 
> about 14 quid in the UK and does come on DVD.
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Re: using voiceover in terminal?

[Steve Holmes]

The one area in Terminal I would really like to be able to do is cursor up and 
down a column and have it stay in that column and not go back to the beginning 
of the line each time. An example of what I'm talking about is take the output 
of 'ls -l' (detailed file listing) and read just the file names in the right 
most column. this is quite easy in Speakup on Linux machines but with VO as I 
have seen it, VO-up and VO-down read the entire line and position the cursor at 
either end of the whole line depending on cursor motion.

Does anyone have ideas on getting around this problem or is that something 
VoiceOver users have no control over?

On Jul 20, 2014, at 3:46 PM, Doug Lawlor  wrote:

> Have you agreed to the Xcode license? To do this do the following:
> From a terminal prompt type "xcodebuild -license" and press enter. The unix 
> 'more' command will display the Xcode license. Usin the space bar will scrole 
> through this screen by screen. 
> Press the "q" key to quit this and type "agree" at the next prompt that 
> appears. You now have agreed to the license. See if you get a difference in 
> your make output after you try this. I found this out after I was trying to 
> get rails running here and things were not configuring as I expected. 
> 
> Doug
> On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes.
>> I certainly did.
>> /A
>> 20 jul 2014 kl. 00:25 skrev Doug Lawlor :
>> 
>>> Did you try a sudo make instead of just make?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jul 19, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi!
 If you have a braille display you could install brltty.
 Though i tried that but had no luck since i couldn't do any make commands.
 /A
 17 jul 2014 kl. 18:28 skrev Brandon A. Olivares :
 
> I've used vim. It is not perfect either, but it is quite usable.
> On Jul 17, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I can't say, I've only ever issued commands. I have never used Nano, 
>> Pico, Emacs, or any other command line programs, except FTP, which works 
>> as expected. Even that, though, is command-based and is no kind of text 
>> editor or other interactive program.
>> On Jul 17, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Justin Mann  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alex,
>>> 
>>> So do the same things apply to using things like nano in terminal?
>>> On Jul 17, 2014, at 9:47 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 First, be sure to interact with the text input area. Then, use vo-up 
 and vo-down to review output, and regular up and down to navigate 
 commands. It isn't perfect, but interacting makes it a lot better.
 On Jul 17, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Doug Lawlor  
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> I would like to know the the same thing as well. I find when you are 
> using the terminal output from commands sometimes does not get 
> spoken. 
> 
> Doug
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Justin Mann  wrote:
>> 
>> HI all,
>> 
>> Are there any particular settings that you should use with voiceover 
>> so that working in terminal is more practical?  I need to work with 
>> the command line, change some settings in some text files in my 
>> raspberry Pi, so any help you can give would be appreciated,
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
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Re: got the yosemite beta

[Devin Prater]

I hope so. I got it too.
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>   can i discuss here about the beta?
>> On 26 Jul 2014, at 11:33, Christopher Hallsworth  
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>> Hi all
>> Check this out the Apple online store still sells good old Snow Leopard for 
>> about 14 quid in the UK and does come on DVD.
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Re: got the yosemite beta

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi. Unless you're talking about features discussed at WWDC, then no. You are 
covered by the same NDA that the developers had to sign so we can't discuss any 
bugs in the software.

Shawn
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> On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:54 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
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> I hope so. I got it too.
> Devin Prater
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> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>  can i discuss here about the beta?
>>> On 26 Jul 2014, at 11:33, Christopher Hallsworth  
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>>> Hi all
>>> Check this out the Apple online store still sells good old Snow Leopard for 
>>> about 14 quid in the UK and does come on DVD.
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Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Anouk Radix]

Hi, 
Well,  maverics might be free but that does not immediately make it better.
I for one still have some email issues popping up now and then that i did not 
have with mountain lion.
The thing is, I am not sure if apple still does security patches for mountain 
lion, they often only seem to support their latest os because its free and most 
people on the apple ecosystem update pretty quickly.
Greetings, Anouk,
On 25 Jul 2014, at 21:51, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> Sorry but why do you want Mountain Lion when Mavericks is free? This is the 
> only thing I can think of as to why you are deferring Mavericks; the cost. 
> Well there isn't one. As others have said the only way to get Mountain Lion 
> back we think is by using a bootable USB device with the Mountain Lion 
> installer on it.
> 
> On 25/07/2014 20:05, Paul Erkens wrote:
>> Hi listers,
>> 
>> I still run mountain lion. When I try to reinstall clean, it wants to give 
>> me Mavericks. Is there a way still, to do a clean install of mountain lion?
>> 
>> Here's what I did:
>> Reboot the mac. After the sound, I hold command r to boot from the recovery 
>> partition. Then, I use disk utility to clean the macintosh hd partition. 
>> Then, I install the OS, using 1 of the 4 choices from the recovery 
>> partition. This menu has things like restore from time machine, reinstall 
>> OS10 etc. That's how I tried to reinstall, hoping I would get mountain lion. 
>> Instead, it tries to get me over to mavericks. Is there any way you can 
>> think of, to get a fresh mountain lion install instead?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Paul.
>> 
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Re: Express VPN -

[Mike Busboom]

Hi, Traci,

I have never used Express-VPN, but I have tried out and used others.

For two years or so, I used Strong VPN and it worked flawlessly.  I only used 
it with my iPhone, not with my PC or Mac.  The only time it went down was when 
Hurricane Sandy hit NYC, but they were only offline for about 24 hours.  The 
company charges around $57 per year or so.

Another VPN service I have used, which worked extremely well for me was HotSpot 
Shield from AnchorFree.  I found this in the Apple store.  I have never 
incurred any charges with them, but I haven't ever used the service for more 
than just a few minutes at a time.  I think (though I am not sure) that you pay 
something if you use them on a regular basis.  You'll need to check that out.   

You may be wondering why, if both of these services work so well, I used  the 
past tense when describing my experiences with them.  The answer is simple.  A 
close friend set up a very good and reliable VPN server, so I use it now.  
Nevertheless, I can truthfully say that both Strong VPN and HotSpot Shield did 
an excellent job of meeting my needs.

All the best from Austria,

Mike
 
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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm reading about VPNs this morning.  I'm familiar with Tunnel Bear & Cloak, 
> however the below service was ranked the best for 2014.
> 
> Have any MacVisionary or viPhone users used Express VPN?  How did you find 
> ease of use/accessibility?  How was your connection speed?
> 
> Do you recommend a different service?
> 
> Thank you,
> Traci
> 
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Re: Message Preview in Classic Layout for Mail?

[Alex Hall]

I was afraid of that, but thanks for the confirmation. My only other question 
is message count for threads - does that exist? VO says "conversation", but not 
how many messages are in the conversation. I expect this just isn't available 
either, but I want to double check.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 2:51, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello Alex,
> 
> Message preview does not exist in classic view in Mail.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
>> On 26 Jul 2014, at 01:06, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm playing with Classic Layout once again, and I like how I can sort the 
>> order of columns. The only problem is that the message preview (how VO reads 
>> the first few lines, not the Preview Pane) is missing in this layout. I 
>> don't see it in the View > Columns menu. Is there any way to bring it back, 
>> or does this mode simply not have it? Thank you.
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Alex Hall]

I made sure to select the proper partition from the scroll area, and the size 
did show up. The thing it, any value I enter in the size text field is replaced 
by 8.34 no matter what. VO indicates that, in the scroll area, there is a 
"resize control", but I can't figure out how that is supposed to work. The 
options button is also dimmed for no apparent reason.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> Sounds like you don't have the partition in question selected.
> Interact with the scroll area containing the partitions and vo-space on the 
> one you want.  Then all the things you want should be enabled.
> Also note that unless it has been fixed, the installation does something 
> strange to an existing partitioning scheme.  After the install, all of your 
> partitions may be contained in a logical partition of the same name as the 
> Yosemite.  Not to worry however as erasing the Yosemite partition will put 
> everything back to normal.  At least that has been my experience.
> 
> On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm trying to test Yosemite, and I've been running it off an old thumb drive. 
> Needless to say, I've hit serious lag issues that practically prevent me from 
> using the system. I'd like to partition my (admittedly small) internal disk 
> instead, so I've moved my Windows VM off for now, leaving me with what Finder 
> tells me is about 19GB free.
> 
> I opened up Disk utility and selected my internal disk, then hit the 
> Partition tab, then Add. I did this same thing to the afore mentioned thumb 
> drive, and it was a snap. Now, trying to do this on my internal disk, I'm 
> getting odd behavior.
> 
> * Despite having almost 19GB available, the new partition is stuck at 8.34GB 
> and I can't change it. When I type a new size, it automatically reverts to 
> 8.34 seconds later.
> * I can't open the options to check my table is correct because the button is 
> dimmed.
> * I can't find a place to name the new partition.
> * The number of partitions (the popup menu) is dimmed. This is not a problem 
> since the add/remove buttons work, but it was not dimmed when I partitioned 
> my thumb drive.
> 
> What am I missing? Do I need to shrink the existing partition? If so, I don't 
> know that I can - I tried, but that seemed to make no difference. I don't 
> know why this is so much harder than that thumb drive, but it's giving me no 
> end of trouble for some reason. Can anyone offer any help? Thanks!
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Re: so how does one open an attachment in the latest iteration of mail?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi, Steve,

I agree if there is any reason to be concerned about the file.  But in this 
particular case, the file came from a highly trusted--and very tech 
savvy--individual, so I had no security concerns.  In general, I don't like to 
have to take the extra steps it takes to first save a file and then open it 
externally.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:25 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I think this would be a whole lot easier if mail.app would support external, 
> rather than inline attachments but that is probably more an issue with 
> outgoing mail more so than receiving. But still, I usually prefer to use the 
> main menu bar and select File -> Save Attachments and work from there; not 
> sure how it does with multiple attachments. When doing this, I am saving the 
> file out of Mail and then dealing with it from Finder or whatever.
> 
> I prefer this approach because viewing attachments from within mail clients 
> or web browsers often brings out accessibility issues and probably even more 
> important, security problems can often be avoided if files are dealt with 
> externally. I never like to open attachments from within emails. This is 
> especially the case with executable files.
> 
> I express these remarks considering all platforms.
> 
> On Jul 25, 2014, at 7:32 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Interesting, thanks.  I forget about gmail issues, b/c I don't use a gmail 
>> account.  It seemed so odd that it would happen with this one innocuous 
>> message, it's nice to at least have a possible explanation.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 
>>> In the advanced area of account settings in Mail there is a check box to 
>>> download all attachments. Is this checked for you?
>>> until the message was opened. Considering how large mail spools can be 
>>> these days and the fact that GMAIL takes a bit to sync it might have just 
>>> been a timing issue. 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 11:12 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, Gabe,
 
 Well, I'm glad someone else has noticed this problem.  Seems  very 
 strange.  Just tried your solution, and still no luck.  I am starting to 
 wonder if there's something strange with this attachment.  But I forwarded 
 the message to my PC, and had no trouble opening it in windows.  Very odd.
 
 Anyway, thanks for the suggestion.
 Cheers,
 Donna
 On Jul 21, 2014, at 9:46 PM, Gabe Griffith  
 wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I've also noticed that command y doesn't seem to work as easily. I have 
> to press vo space to get in to menu and then escape to get back to the 
> email message. I can then usually use command y to open quick look and 
> view the attachment.
> 
> Gabe
> 
> 
> On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hmm.  Ok. I tried all of those things and none of them worked.  Maybe 
>> there's something weird about the attachment.
>> 
>> Thanks anyway for responding.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 5:11 PM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>> What do you mean.  You can open the message and navigate to the 
>>> attachment to do a VO-shift-m on it or simply do a command-y on the 
>>> message to Quick Look the attachment where you can also open it.  
>>> Nothing has changed to my knowledge.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
>>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>>> 
>>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 
>>> Mountain Lion
>>> 
>>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>>> 
>>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I have a message with a PDF attached, and can't open it for the life 
 of me.  What's up?  What is the new way for doing this?
 Thanks,
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Re: Snow Leopard, again

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Yep, just bought my copy, for old time's sake.

Unfortunately, it's 10.6.3 and no later; Apple stopped making the discs 
available for retail after that, and the only way to get the latest version is 
if it came with a particular Mac.  (Insert rant about Apple locking its media 
to specific Macs here.)

My iMac 27 mid-2011 came with Lion when I bought it, but is technically capable 
of running SL 10.6.6, which is what it originally came with.  So, you have to 
go through some gyration to get it installed, but it's possible.  The same will 
be true for many Macs in a similar place.  Note, though, that you cannot 
install SL on a Mac that originally released with any later version of OS X, 
and should not attempt it.

Apple forbids it from being run virtually, except as a server.  There are a few 
hacks you can use to bypass that, but then you'd be going against Apple's 
licenses.

Snow Leopard: Apple's Windows XP moment. :)

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Re: Bad News, I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I think my I Mac came with Mountain Lion, what was it in January 2013?  I liked 
it when I first came across a Mac, there were such voices as Bad News.  I 
wonder how many of you use Bad News?  I don't even know if it's on Mavericks 
right now.

Kawal.
On 26 Jul 2014, at 10:31, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> I wish I could install Snow Lepard on my Mac smile. But if I'm correct Apple 
> does not allow such downgrades because of when they were sold.
> 
> On 26/07/2014 09:45, Devin Prater wrote:
>> Well, my Mac came with mountain lion, so I don't know what the good about 
>> snow leopard is. I do wish the speech server was more responsive, which can 
>> be tested by noticing the time between the VoiceOver sounds and speech.
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 2:51, Christopher Hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
>>> Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet 
>>> Recovery. I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the 
>>> Mac App Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my 
>>> primary machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.
>>> 
 On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
 Warning: whiny rant ahead.
 
 I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older 
 machines that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac 
 originally came with it, and that although difficult, I could choose to 
 use it.  This would still be preferable to going back to Windows.
 
 I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, 
 made me realise just how stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of 
 OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS envy.  The 
 small number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could 
 easily have been foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I 
 most liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard.  How 
 could I have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the 
 "Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept 
 unwelcome change, even for some trifling little benefit which they will 
 sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.
 
 So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is 
 that newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and 
 comes from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, 
 because Apple has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't 
 get system software updates that address any accessibility issues.  I 
 know; I asked.  There are a couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides 
 that make it worth having, like invisible Time Machine backups, and 
 multi-process Safari.  However, you'll have to learn how to work the new 
 iBooks, if you need it, and there are definite stability issues.
 
 /me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and 
 live forever in a better time ...
 
 No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.
 
 Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not 
 telling you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.
 
 Cheers,
 Sabahattin
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Brandon A. Olivares]

I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine for 
me.

Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook Pro, 
and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.

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On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
> Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet Recovery. 
> I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the Mac App 
> Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my primary 
> machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.
> 
> On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>> Warning: whiny rant ahead.
>> 
>> I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
>> that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came with 
>> it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would still 
>> be preferable to going back to Windows.
>> 
>> I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, 
>> made me realise just how stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS 
>> X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS envy.  The small 
>> number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily 
>> have been foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most liked 
>> about a clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard.  How could I have 
>> upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the "Magic" of 
>> Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome change, 
>> even for some trifling little benefit which they will sell as a "Feature" to 
>> justify an entire OS upgrade.
>> 
>> So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is that 
>> newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and comes 
>> from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, because 
>> Apple has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get system 
>> software updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I asked.  
>> There are a couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make it worth 
>> having, like invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process Safari.  
>> However, you'll have to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you need it, 
>> and there are definite stability issues.
>> 
>> /me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and 
>> live forever in a better time ...
>> 
>> No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.
>> 
>> Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not telling 
>> you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Sabahattin
>> 
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Re: Bad News, I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Kawal,

Bad news is still available.

Cheers,

Anne


On 26 Jul 2014, at 15:37, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I think my I Mac came with Mountain Lion, what was it in January 2013?  I 
> liked it when I first came across a Mac, there were such voices as Bad News.  
> I wonder how many of you use Bad News?  I don't even know if it's on 
> Mavericks right now.
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Re: Message Preview in Classic Layout for Mail?

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Alex,

No, there's no message count for conversations, not even visually.

Cheers,

Anne


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> message count for threads - does that exist? VO says "conversation", but not 
> how many messages are in the conversation. I expect this just isn't available 
> either, but I want to double check.

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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Alex Hall]

Agreed. Mavericks is running fine, especially since I dumped Gmail for the much 
smoother and easier to use iCloud Mail. I started my Mac journey with Lion, so 
maybe I'm missing something, I don't know. Still, the increased iCloud syncing 
between iOS and OS X, the new voices, and all the other improvements make 
Mavericks the best Mac OS I've yet used.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
wrote:

> I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine 
> for me.
> 
> Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook 
> Pro, and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.
> 
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> Brandon
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> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
>> Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet Recovery. 
>> I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the Mac App 
>> Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my primary 
>> machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.
>> 
>> On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> Warning: whiny rant ahead.
>>> 
>>> I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
>>> that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came 
>>> with it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would 
>>> still be preferable to going back to Windows.
>>> 
>>> I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, 
>>> made me realise just how stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS 
>>> X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS envy.  The small 
>>> number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily 
>>> have been foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most 
>>> liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard.  How could I 
>>> have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the "Magic" 
>>> of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome 
>>> change, even for some trifling little benefit which they will sell as a 
>>> "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.
>>> 
>>> So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is 
>>> that newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and 
>>> comes from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, 
>>> because Apple has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get 
>>> system software updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I 
>>> asked.  There are a couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make 
>>> it worth having, like invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process 
>>> Safari.  However, you'll have to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you 
>>> need it, and there are definite stability issues.
>>> 
>>> /me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and 
>>> live forever in a better time ...
>>> 
>>> No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not 
>>> telling you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sabahattin
>>> 
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Re: Message Preview in Classic Layout for Mail?

[Alex Hall]

Again, I thought so, but thought I'd check. Thanks. So, Classic Layout is 
really great since I can get the subject to speak first, but it lacks a couple 
of message attributes I really like. That said, Standard Layout includes more 
information, but won't let me customize the order in which said information is 
spoken. Always with the trade-offs, I suppose.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:33 AM, Anne Robertson  wrote:

> Hello Alex,
> 
> No, there's no message count for conversations, not even visually.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 26 Jul 2014, at 13:44, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> message count for threads - does that exist? VO says "conversation", but not 
>> how many messages are in the conversation. I expect this just isn't 
>> available either, but I want to double check.
> 
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Barry Hadder]

If you can't resize it then it is as large as it can be.  Removing your vm 
freed of 19 gigs on your main partition.  That does not meen that you have 19 
gigs free on the drive.
You probably need to delete the new partition and then shrink the main 
partition.


On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:28 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I made sure to select the proper partition from the scroll area, and the size 
did show up. The thing it, any value I enter in the size text field is replaced 
by 8.34 no matter what. VO indicates that, in the scroll area, there is a 
"resize control", but I can't figure out how that is supposed to work. The 
options button is also dimmed for no apparent reason.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> Sounds like you don't have the partition in question selected.
> Interact with the scroll area containing the partitions and vo-space on the 
> one you want.  Then all the things you want should be enabled.
> Also note that unless it has been fixed, the installation does something 
> strange to an existing partitioning scheme.  After the install, all of your 
> partitions may be contained in a logical partition of the same name as the 
> Yosemite.  Not to worry however as erasing the Yosemite partition will put 
> everything back to normal.  At least that has been my experience.
> 
> On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I'm trying to test Yosemite, and I've been running it off an old thumb drive. 
> Needless to say, I've hit serious lag issues that practically prevent me from 
> using the system. I'd like to partition my (admittedly small) internal disk 
> instead, so I've moved my Windows VM off for now, leaving me with what Finder 
> tells me is about 19GB free.
> 
> I opened up Disk utility and selected my internal disk, then hit the 
> Partition tab, then Add. I did this same thing to the afore mentioned thumb 
> drive, and it was a snap. Now, trying to do this on my internal disk, I'm 
> getting odd behavior.
> 
> * Despite having almost 19GB available, the new partition is stuck at 8.34GB 
> and I can't change it. When I type a new size, it automatically reverts to 
> 8.34 seconds later.
> * I can't open the options to check my table is correct because the button is 
> dimmed.
> * I can't find a place to name the new partition.
> * The number of partitions (the popup menu) is dimmed. This is not a problem 
> since the add/remove buttons work, but it was not dimmed when I partitioned 
> my thumb drive.
> 
> What am I missing? Do I need to shrink the existing partition? If so, I don't 
> know that I can - I tried, but that seemed to make no difference. I don't 
> know why this is so much harder than that thumb drive, but it's giving me no 
> end of trouble for some reason. Can anyone offer any help? Thanks!
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Alex Hall]

Good idea, thanks. I tried resizing the main partition (Macintosh HD), but the 
size is always dimmed, as though I can't edit it at all. It's the startup disk 
so of course I can't erase it, but I don't seem able to resize it to give the 
new partition more space.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:10 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> If you can't resize it then it is as large as it can be.  Removing your vm 
> freed of 19 gigs on your main partition.  That does not meen that you have 19 
> gigs free on the drive.
> You probably need to delete the new partition and then shrink the main 
> partition.
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:28 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I made sure to select the proper partition from the scroll area, and the size 
> did show up. The thing it, any value I enter in the size text field is 
> replaced by 8.34 no matter what. VO indicates that, in the scroll area, there 
> is a "resize control", but I can't figure out how that is supposed to work. 
> The options button is also dimmed for no apparent reason.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
>> Sounds like you don't have the partition in question selected.
>> Interact with the scroll area containing the partitions and vo-space on the 
>> one you want.  Then all the things you want should be enabled.
>> Also note that unless it has been fixed, the installation does something 
>> strange to an existing partitioning scheme.  After the install, all of your 
>> partitions may be contained in a logical partition of the same name as the 
>> Yosemite.  Not to worry however as erasing the Yosemite partition will put 
>> everything back to normal.  At least that has been my experience.
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to test Yosemite, and I've been running it off an old thumb 
>> drive. Needless to say, I've hit serious lag issues that practically prevent 
>> me from using the system. I'd like to partition my (admittedly small) 
>> internal disk instead, so I've moved my Windows VM off for now, leaving me 
>> with what Finder tells me is about 19GB free.
>> 
>> I opened up Disk utility and selected my internal disk, then hit the 
>> Partition tab, then Add. I did this same thing to the afore mentioned thumb 
>> drive, and it was a snap. Now, trying to do this on my internal disk, I'm 
>> getting odd behavior.
>> 
>> * Despite having almost 19GB available, the new partition is stuck at 8.34GB 
>> and I can't change it. When I type a new size, it automatically reverts to 
>> 8.34 seconds later.
>> * I can't open the options to check my table is correct because the button 
>> is dimmed.
>> * I can't find a place to name the new partition.
>> * The number of partitions (the popup menu) is dimmed. This is not a problem 
>> since the add/remove buttons work, but it was not dimmed when I partitioned 
>> my thumb drive.
>> 
>> What am I missing? Do I need to shrink the existing partition? If so, I 
>> don't know that I can - I tried, but that seemed to make no difference. I 
>> don't know why this is so much harder than that thumb drive, but it's giving 
>> me no end of trouble for some reason. Can anyone offer any help? Thanks!
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>> mehg...@icloud.com
>> 
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[John Panarese]

   The reality is, you are going to find problems with any version of an 
operating system.  Look at the Windows users who still stick with XP at this 
point.  There are oddities that one person may have that cannot be recreated by 
another person with any version of an OS.  That is just the unfortunate aspect 
of computers, even within Mac systems.  Personally, going back to Snow Leopard? 
 Are you crazy?  Anyone who says that has not used each of the operating 
systems extensively as they have progressed from Tiger.  VoiceOver has come a 
long way since 10.4, and since I still have a Snow Leopard install available to 
me, as well as a Leopard one, I can tell you that you are not missing anything 
significant.  I have to work with a lady who is still running Snow Leopard and 
it's seems antiquated to me when I use it.  It's like night and day compared to 
VoiceOver in Mavericks.  I'd take Mavericks over Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard 
or anything else.  There are considerable technical differences and advances as 
well that go beyond VoiceOver.  You are drastically understating things if you 
are pining for the days of Snow Leopard.


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On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
wrote:

> I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine 
> for me.
> 
> Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook 
> Pro, and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.
> 
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> Brandon
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> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
>> Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet Recovery. 
>> I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the Mac App 
>> Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my primary 
>> machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.
>> 
>> On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> Warning: whiny rant ahead.
>>> 
>>> I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
>>> that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came 
>>> with it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would 
>>> still be preferable to going back to Windows.
>>> 
>>> I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, 
>>> made me realise just how stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS 
>>> X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS envy.  The small 
>>> number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily 
>>> have been foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most 
>>> liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard.  How could I 
>>> have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the "Magic" 
>>> of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome 
>>> change, even for some trifling little benefit which they will sell as a 
>>> "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.
>>> 
>>> So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is 
>>> that newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and 
>>> comes from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, 
>>> because Apple has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get 
>>> system software updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I 
>>> asked.  There are a couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make 
>>> it worth having, like invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process 
>>> Safari.  However, you'll have to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you 
>>> need it, and there are definite stability issues.
>>> 
>>> /me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and 
>>> live forever in a better time ...
>>> 
>>> No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not 
>>> telling you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sabahattin
>>> 
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Barry Hadder]

You should be able to resize macintosh hd.  All I can suggest is to make sure 
you deleted the new partition and double check that you have macintosh hd 
selected with vo-space.
You have to delete the new one first because you can only move the end point of 
a partition using disk utility.  You can't move the partition itself.


On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Good idea, thanks. I tried resizing the main partition (Macintosh HD), but the 
size is always dimmed, as though I can't edit it at all. It's the startup disk 
so of course I can't erase it, but I don't seem able to resize it to give the 
new partition more space.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:10 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> If you can't resize it then it is as large as it can be.  Removing your vm 
> freed of 19 gigs on your main partition.  That does not meen that you have 19 
> gigs free on the drive.
> You probably need to delete the new partition and then shrink the main 
> partition.
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:28 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> I made sure to select the proper partition from the scroll area, and the size 
> did show up. The thing it, any value I enter in the size text field is 
> replaced by 8.34 no matter what. VO indicates that, in the scroll area, there 
> is a "resize control", but I can't figure out how that is supposed to work. 
> The options button is also dimmed for no apparent reason.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
>> Sounds like you don't have the partition in question selected.
>> Interact with the scroll area containing the partitions and vo-space on the 
>> one you want.  Then all the things you want should be enabled.
>> Also note that unless it has been fixed, the installation does something 
>> strange to an existing partitioning scheme.  After the install, all of your 
>> partitions may be contained in a logical partition of the same name as the 
>> Yosemite.  Not to worry however as erasing the Yosemite partition will put 
>> everything back to normal.  At least that has been my experience.
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to test Yosemite, and I've been running it off an old thumb 
>> drive. Needless to say, I've hit serious lag issues that practically prevent 
>> me from using the system. I'd like to partition my (admittedly small) 
>> internal disk instead, so I've moved my Windows VM off for now, leaving me 
>> with what Finder tells me is about 19GB free.
>> 
>> I opened up Disk utility and selected my internal disk, then hit the 
>> Partition tab, then Add. I did this same thing to the afore mentioned thumb 
>> drive, and it was a snap. Now, trying to do this on my internal disk, I'm 
>> getting odd behavior.
>> 
>> * Despite having almost 19GB available, the new partition is stuck at 8.34GB 
>> and I can't change it. When I type a new size, it automatically reverts to 
>> 8.34 seconds later.
>> * I can't open the options to check my table is correct because the button 
>> is dimmed.
>> * I can't find a place to name the new partition.
>> * The number of partitions (the popup menu) is dimmed. This is not a problem 
>> since the add/remove buttons work, but it was not dimmed when I partitioned 
>> my thumb drive.
>> 
>> What am I missing? Do I need to shrink the existing partition? If so, I 
>> don't know that I can - I tried, but that seemed to make no difference. I 
>> don't know why this is so much harder than that thumb drive, but it's giving 
>> me no end of trouble for some reason. Can anyone offer any help? Thanks!
>> --
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com
>> 
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Barry Hadder]

I long for the days of the abacus.

On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

  The reality is, you are going to find problems with any version of an 
operating system.  Look at the Windows users who still stick with XP at this 
point.  There are oddities that one person may have that cannot be recreated by 
another person with any version of an OS.  That is just the unfortunate aspect 
of computers, even within Mac systems.  Personally, going back to Snow Leopard? 
 Are you crazy?  Anyone who says that has not used each of the operating 
systems extensively as they have progressed from Tiger.  VoiceOver has come a 
long way since 10.4, and since I still have a Snow Leopard install available to 
me, as well as a Leopard one, I can tell you that you are not missing anything 
significant.  I have to work with a lady who is still running Snow Leopard and 
it's seems antiquated to me when I use it.  It's like night and day compared to 
VoiceOver in Mavericks.  I'd take Mavericks over Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard 
or anything else.  There are considerable technical differences and advances as 
well that go beyond VoiceOver.  You are drastically understating things if you 
are pining for the days of Snow Leopard.


Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
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On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
wrote:

> I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine 
> for me.
> 
> Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook 
> Pro, and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.
> 
> ---
> Peace,
> Brandon
> 
> Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You
> 
> Facebook: AwakenToSilence
> Twitter: @awakentosilence
> Tumblr: awakentosilence.tumblr.com
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
>> Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet Recovery. 
>> I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the Mac App 
>> Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my primary 
>> machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.
>> 
>> On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
>>> Warning: whiny rant ahead.
>>> 
>>> I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
>>> that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came 
>>> with it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would 
>>> still be preferable to going back to Windows.
>>> 
>>> I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, 
>>> made me realise just how stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS 
>>> X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS envy.  The small 
>>> number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily 
>>> have been foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most 
>>> liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard.  How could I 
>>> have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the "Magic" 
>>> of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome 
>>> change, even for some trifling little benefit which they will sell as a 
>>> "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.
>>> 
>>> So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is 
>>> that newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and 
>>> comes from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, 
>>> because Apple has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get 
>>> system software updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I 
>>> asked.  There are a couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make 
>>> it worth having, like invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process 
>>> Safari.  However, you'll have to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you 
>>> need it, and there are definite stability issues.
>>> 
>>> /me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and 
>>> live forever in a better time ...
>>> 
>>> No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.
>>> 
>>> Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not 
>>> telling you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Sabahattin
>>> 
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Re: Express VPN -

[Justin Mann]

Hi there,

I use a VPN called Private Internet Access:
http://www.privateinternetaccess.com
It works well, is totally accessible on the mac, and has a very simple 
interface.  I've never had them go off line, and honestly it just works, there 
is no connection logging, and so far I've gotten very connection speeds when 
I've used it.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:

> Hi, Traci,
> 
> I have never used Express-VPN, but I have tried out and used others.
> 
> For two years or so, I used Strong VPN and it worked flawlessly.  I only used 
> it with my iPhone, not with my PC or Mac.  The only time it went down was 
> when Hurricane Sandy hit NYC, but they were only offline for about 24 hours.  
> The company charges around $57 per year or so.
> 
> Another VPN service I have used, which worked extremely well for me was 
> HotSpot Shield from AnchorFree.  I found this in the Apple store.  I have 
> never incurred any charges with them, but I haven't ever used the service for 
> more than just a few minutes at a time.  I think (though I am not sure) that 
> you pay something if you use them on a regular basis.  You'll need to check 
> that out.   
> 
> You may be wondering why, if both of these services work so well, I used  the 
> past tense when describing my experiences with them.  The answer is simple.  
> A close friend set up a very good and reliable VPN server, so I use it now.  
> Nevertheless, I can truthfully say that both Strong VPN and HotSpot Shield 
> did an excellent job of meeting my needs.
> 
> All the best from Austria,
> 
> Mike
>  
> On 25,Jul,2014, at 19:19, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm reading about VPNs this morning.  I'm familiar with Tunnel Bear & Cloak, 
>> however the below service was ranked the best for 2014.
>> 
>> Have any MacVisionary or viPhone users used Express VPN?  How did you find 
>> ease of use/accessibility?  How was your connection speed?
>> 
>> Do you recommend a different service?
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Traci
>> 
>> https://www.express-vpn.com/order 
>> 
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Alex Hall]

Okay, thanks, I think I see what happened. I was trying to do all this after 
clicking "add"; I'm instead supposed to shrink my current partition before 
configuring the new one. It's shrinking now, so this should work better next 
time I add the new one and try to set it up. Hopefully I can figure out how to 
rename it, too.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> You should be able to resize macintosh hd.  All I can suggest is to make sure 
> you deleted the new partition and double check that you have macintosh hd 
> selected with vo-space.
> You have to delete the new one first because you can only move the end point 
> of a partition using disk utility.  You can't move the partition itself.
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Good idea, thanks. I tried resizing the main partition (Macintosh HD), but 
> the size is always dimmed, as though I can't edit it at all. It's the startup 
> disk so of course I can't erase it, but I don't seem able to resize it to 
> give the new partition more space.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:10 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
>> If you can't resize it then it is as large as it can be.  Removing your vm 
>> freed of 19 gigs on your main partition.  That does not meen that you have 
>> 19 gigs free on the drive.
>> You probably need to delete the new partition and then shrink the main 
>> partition.
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 7:28 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I made sure to select the proper partition from the scroll area, and the 
>> size did show up. The thing it, any value I enter in the size text field is 
>> replaced by 8.34 no matter what. VO indicates that, in the scroll area, 
>> there is a "resize control", but I can't figure out how that is supposed to 
>> work. The options button is also dimmed for no apparent reason.
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>> 
>>> Sounds like you don't have the partition in question selected.
>>> Interact with the scroll area containing the partitions and vo-space on the 
>>> one you want.  Then all the things you want should be enabled.
>>> Also note that unless it has been fixed, the installation does something 
>>> strange to an existing partitioning scheme.  After the install, all of your 
>>> partitions may be contained in a logical partition of the same name as the 
>>> Yosemite.  Not to worry however as erasing the Yosemite partition will put 
>>> everything back to normal.  At least that has been my experience.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm trying to test Yosemite, and I've been running it off an old thumb 
>>> drive. Needless to say, I've hit serious lag issues that practically 
>>> prevent me from using the system. I'd like to partition my (admittedly 
>>> small) internal disk instead, so I've moved my Windows VM off for now, 
>>> leaving me with what Finder tells me is about 19GB free.
>>> 
>>> I opened up Disk utility and selected my internal disk, then hit the 
>>> Partition tab, then Add. I did this same thing to the afore mentioned thumb 
>>> drive, and it was a snap. Now, trying to do this on my internal disk, I'm 
>>> getting odd behavior.
>>> 
>>> * Despite having almost 19GB available, the new partition is stuck at 
>>> 8.34GB and I can't change it. When I type a new size, it automatically 
>>> reverts to 8.34 seconds later.
>>> * I can't open the options to check my table is correct because the button 
>>> is dimmed.
>>> * I can't find a place to name the new partition.
>>> * The number of partitions (the popup menu) is dimmed. This is not a 
>>> problem since the add/remove buttons work, but it was not dimmed when I 
>>> partitioned my thumb drive.
>>> 
>>> What am I missing? Do I need to shrink the existing partition? If so, I 
>>> don't know that I can - I tried, but that seemed to make no difference. I 
>>> don't know why this is so much harder than that thumb drive, but it's 
>>> giving me no end of trouble for some reason. Can anyone offer any help? 
>>> Thanks!
>>> --
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>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Brandon A. Olivares]

Please. The sundial is where it's at.

---
Peace,
Brandon

Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You

Facebook: AwakenToSilence
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On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> I long for the days of the abacus.
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  The reality is, you are going to find problems with any version of an 
> operating system.  Look at the Windows users who still stick with XP at this 
> point.  There are oddities that one person may have that cannot be recreated 
> by another person with any version of an OS.  That is just the unfortunate 
> aspect of computers, even within Mac systems.  Personally, going back to Snow 
> Leopard?  Are you crazy?  Anyone who says that has not used each of the 
> operating systems extensively as they have progressed from Tiger.  VoiceOver 
> has come a long way since 10.4, and since I still have a Snow Leopard install 
> available to me, as well as a Leopard one, I can tell you that you are not 
> missing anything significant.  I have to work with a lady who is still 
> running Snow Leopard and it's seems antiquated to me when I use it.  It's 
> like night and day compared to VoiceOver in Mavericks.  I'd take Mavericks 
> over Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard or anything else.  There are considerable 
> technical differences and advances as well that go beyond VoiceOver.  You are 
> drastically understating things if you are pining for the days of Snow 
> Leopard.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain 
> Lion
> 
> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
> 
> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
>> I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine 
>> for me.
>> 
>> Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook 
>> Pro, and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.
>> 
>> ---
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>> 
>> Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You
>> 
>> Facebook: AwakenToSilence
>> Twitter: @awakentosilence
>> Tumblr: awakentosilence.tumblr.com
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
>>> Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet 
>>> Recovery. I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the 
>>> Mac App Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my 
>>> primary machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.
>>> 
>>> On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
 Warning: whiny rant ahead.
 
 I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older 
 machines that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac 
 originally came with it, and that although difficult, I could choose to 
 use it.  This would still be preferable to going back to Windows.
 
 I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, 
 made me realise just how stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of 
 OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS envy.  The 
 small number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could 
 easily have been foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I 
 most liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard.  How 
 could I have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the 
 "Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept 
 unwelcome change, even for some trifling little benefit which they will 
 sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.
 
 So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is 
 that newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and 
 comes from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, 
 because Apple has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't 
 get system software updates that address any accessibility issues.  I 
 know; I asked.  There are a couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides 
 that make it worth having, like invisible Time Machine backups, and 
 multi-process Safari.  However, you'll have to learn how to work the new 
 iBooks, if you need it, and there are definite stability issues.
 
 /me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and 
 live forever in a better time ...
 
 No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.
 
 Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case any

Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Devin Prater]

No no, just use your eyes. Why use anything not made by mother gaia? Our nature 
shall provide all that is neccisary. And if we are blessed by the great Mother 
of having no visual gnosis, we shall have to seek the aide of one that does. 
This will teach us respect and dependence, for which we must always use for 
Mother Nature to smile upon us and give us a place in the life after our 
corperal forms have ceased to fuction.

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:20, "Brandon A. Olivares"  
> wrote:
> 
> Please. The sundial is where it’s at.
> 
> ---
> Peace,
> Brandon
> 
> Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You
> 
> Facebook: AwakenToSilence
> Twitter: @awakentosilence
> Tumblr: awakentosilence.tumblr.com
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>> 
>> I long for the days of the abacus.
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>  The reality is, you are going to find problems with any version of an 
>> operating system.  Look at the Windows users who still stick with XP at this 
>> point.  There are oddities that one person may have that cannot be recreated 
>> by another person with any version of an OS.  That is just the unfortunate 
>> aspect of computers, even within Mac systems.  Personally, going back to 
>> Snow Leopard?  Are you crazy?  Anyone who says that has not used each of the 
>> operating systems extensively as they have progressed from Tiger.  VoiceOver 
>> has come a long way since 10.4, and since I still have a Snow Leopard 
>> install available to me, as well as a Leopard one, I can tell you that you 
>> are not missing anything significant.  I have to work with a lady who is 
>> still running Snow Leopard and it's seems antiquated to me when I use it.  
>> It's like night and day compared to VoiceOver in Mavericks.  I'd take 
>> Mavericks over Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard or anything else.  There are 
>> considerable technical differences and advances as well that go beyond 
>> VoiceOver.  You are drastically understating things if you are pining for 
>> the days of Snow Leopard.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
>> John D. Panarese
>> Director
>> Mac for the Blind
>> Tel, (631) 724-4479
>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
>> 
>> APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX 10.7 LION and 10.8 Mountain 
>> Lion
>> 
>> AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE
>> 
>> MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine 
>>> for me.
>>> 
>>> Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook 
>>> Pro, and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> Peace,
>>> Brandon
>>> 
>>> Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You
>>> 
>>> Facebook: AwakenToSilence
>>> Twitter: @awakentosilence
>>> Tumblr: awakentosilence.tumblr.com
>>> 
 On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
  wrote:
 
 Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled 
 with Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet 
 Recovery. I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the 
 Mac App Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my 
 primary machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible 
 consequences.
 
> On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> Warning: whiny rant ahead.
> 
> I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older 
> machines that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac 
> originally came with it, and that although difficult, I could choose to 
> use it.  This would still be preferable to going back to Windows.
> 
> I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, 
> made me realise just how stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of 
> OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS envy.  The 
> small number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases 
> could easily have been foregone or substituted if it meant getting back 
> what I most liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard. 
>  How could I have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I 
> guess the "Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to 
> accept unwelcome change, even for some trifling little benefit which they 
> will sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.
> 
> So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is 
> that newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable 
> and comes from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this 
> instance, because Apple has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and 
> yo

Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

If your Mac journey starts with Lion, then I'd agree that anything subsequent 
is a vast improvement.  Of the three released since Lion, I think ML has proven 
to be the least annoying and most stable, but Mavericks will probably prove 
less frustrating at the current rate of VoiceOver instability and Safari 
crashes.

I don't agree that OS X is substantially better since SL, in fact, I'd argue 
that many things now taken for granted started their life in SL.  This includes 
the many VoiceOver changes since Leopard, which IMO were among the biggest.  
FWIW, my first Mac came with Leopard, although I wasn't much impressed by Tiger 
before it, and didn't even know Apple had a Spoken Interface preview before 
then.  I had some dealings with classic Mac OS, but only through a musical 
friend downgrading for the use of Outspoken from Panther.

The Windows comparison is highly strained, because indeed, Windows 7--still 
used by many people--was released in the same year as SL.  I realise the power 
of nostalgia, but Apple's release cycle is much shorter than Microsoft's, and 
there are still people using SL because they have to, EG those with Core Solo 
Macs.  So, yes, SL is to Apple what XP is to Windows, but only because it's 
discontinued and many people have, use, need and enjoy it.

I don't think I could go back to SL.  I might install it, and use it, between 
now and Yosemite, as a kind of personal protest.  Sadly, some of the tools I 
use (in particular OS X server's caching server and Arq) require later versions 
of OS X.  Still, I do maintain that SL was, subjectively at any rate, the best 
version of OS X I've used--better than Leopard 10.5.8, Lion, Mountain Lion, and 
Mavericks.  The latter three, in my opinion, are destroying the platform, 
rendering it less and less "Mac-like" and more and more "iPad-like", which is 
not a trend I appreciate at all.  As soon as "Windows 9" (or whatever they call 
it) comes out and proves to be everything that's likeable about Windows 7, but 
with all of the under-the-hood goodness in Windows 8, I'll take a serious look.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[John Panarese]

   I never used one of those.  I've held one and checked one out, but never got 
the hang of them.

I have a friend who has an Apple 2E with a lot of his original accessories 
and disks.  He fires that puppy up from time to time for nostalgia sake. 


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On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> I long for the days of the abacus.
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>  The reality is, you are going to find problems with any version of an 
> operating system.  Look at the Windows users who still stick with XP at this 
> point.  There are oddities that one person may have that cannot be recreated 
> by another person with any version of an OS.  That is just the unfortunate 
> aspect of computers, even within Mac systems.  Personally, going back to Snow 
> Leopard?  Are you crazy?  Anyone who says that has not used each of the 
> operating systems extensively as they have progressed from Tiger.  VoiceOver 
> has come a long way since 10.4, and since I still have a Snow Leopard install 
> available to me, as well as a Leopard one, I can tell you that you are not 
> missing anything significant.  I have to work with a lady who is still 
> running Snow Leopard and it's seems antiquated to me when I use it.  It's 
> like night and day compared to VoiceOver in Mavericks.  I'd take Mavericks 
> over Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard or anything else.  There are considerable 
> technical differences and advances as well that go beyond VoiceOver.  You are 
> drastically understating things if you are pining for the days of Snow 
> Leopard.
> 
> 
> Take Care
> 
> John D. Panarese
> Director
> Mac for the Blind
> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
> 
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> Lion
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
> wrote:
> 
>> I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine 
>> for me.
>> 
>> Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook 
>> Pro, and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.
>> 
>> ---
>> Peace,
>> Brandon
>> 
>> Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You
>> 
>> Facebook: AwakenToSilence
>> Twitter: @awakentosilence
>> Tumblr: awakentosilence.tumblr.com
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
>>> Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet 
>>> Recovery. I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the 
>>> Mac App Store. Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my 
>>> primary machine I don't mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.
>>> 
>>> On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
 Warning: whiny rant ahead.
 
 I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older 
 machines that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac 
 originally came with it, and that although difficult, I could choose to 
 use it.  This would still be preferable to going back to Windows.
 
 I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, 
 made me realise just how stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of 
 OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS envy.  The 
 small number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could 
 easily have been foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I 
 most liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard.  How 
 could I have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the 
 "Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept 
 unwelcome change, even for some trifling little benefit which they will 
 sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.
 
 So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is 
 that newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and 
 comes from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, 
 because Apple has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't 
 get system software updates that address any accessibility issues.  I 
 know; I asked.  There are a couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides 
 that make it worth having, like invisible Time Machine backups, and 
 multi-process Safari.  However, you'll 

Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[The Believer]

   Looking back is not always wise. Doing so creates negative feelings 
that then interfere with the current.


   I got along with XP very well and then got Windows 7. I managed to 
get along with 7 but it never got to the point I would throw it all out 
and put XP back on for there are always the positives that come with the 
new.


   If Snow Leopard is what one wants, by all means, put it back in and 
use it, be happy and let the rest of us move forward.


   I am still with ML but when I feel Yosemite has settled down, will 
upgrade to it, which could be months.


Unlike many people, I do not get the latest and greatest simply because 
it is the latest and greatest. That is like competing with Mr. Jones 
down the street, trying to stay ahead of him.


From The Believer. . .
  What if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/26/2014 8:35 AM, John Panarese wrote:

The reality is, you are going to find problems with any version of an 
operating system.  Look at the Windows users who still stick with XP at this 
point.  There are oddities that one person may have that cannot be recreated by 
another person with any version of an OS.  That is just the unfortunate aspect 
of computers, even within Mac systems.  Personally, going back to Snow Leopard? 
 Are you crazy?  Anyone who says that has not used each of the operating 
systems extensively as they have progressed from Tiger.  VoiceOver has come a 
long way since 10.4, and since I still have a Snow Leopard install available to 
me, as well as a Leopard one, I can tell you that you are not missing anything 
significant.  I have to work with a lady who is still running Snow Leopard and 
it's seems antiquated to me when I use it.  It's like night and day compared to 
VoiceOver in Mavericks.  I'd take Mavericks over Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard 
or anything else.  There are considerable technical differ

ences and advances as well that go beyond VoiceOver.  You are drastically 
understating things if you are pining for the days of Snow Leopard.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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Lion

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MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT




On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
wrote:


I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine for 
me.

Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook Pro, 
and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.

---
Peace,
Brandon

Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You

Facebook: AwakenToSilence
Twitter: @awakentosilence
Tumblr: awakentosilence.tumblr.com

On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:


Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet Recovery. I 
could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the Mac App Store. 
Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my primary machine I don't 
mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.

On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Warning: whiny rant ahead.

I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came with 
it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would still be 
preferable to going back to Windows.

I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, made me realise just how 
stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS 
envy.  The small number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily have been 
foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like 
Snow Leopard.  How could I have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the 
"Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome change, even for some 
trifling little benefit which they will sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.

So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is that 
newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and comes 
from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, because Apple 
has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get system software 
updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I asked.  There are a 
couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make it worth having, like 
invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process Safari.  However, you'll have 
to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you need it, and there are definite 
stability issues.

/me wonders if he should insta

Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[The Believer]

   Seriously?

From The Believer. . .
  What if it were true?
ancient.ali...@icloud.com

On 7/26/2014 9:20 AM, Brandon A. Olivares wrote:

Please. The sundial is where it's at.

---
Peace,
Brandon

Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You

Facebook: AwakenToSilence
Twitter: @awakentosilence
Tumblr: awakentosilence.tumblr.com

On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:


I long for the days of the abacus.

On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:

  The reality is, you are going to find problems with any version of an 
operating system.  Look at the Windows users who still stick with XP at this 
point.  There are oddities that one person may have that cannot be recreated by 
another person with any version of an OS.  That is just the unfortunate aspect 
of computers, even within Mac systems.  Personally, going back to Snow Leopard? 
 Are you crazy?  Anyone who says that has not used each of the operating 
systems extensively as they have progressed from Tiger.  VoiceOver has come a 
long way since 10.4, and since I still have a Snow Leopard install available to 
me, as well as a Leopard one, I can tell you that you are not missing anything 
significant.  I have to work with a lady who is still running Snow Leopard and 
it's seems antiquated to me when I use it.  It's like night and day compared to 
VoiceOver in Mavericks.  I'd take Mavericks over Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard 
or anything else.  There are considerable technical differe

nces and advances as well that go beyond VoiceOver.  You are drastically 
understating things if you are pining for the days of Snow Leopard.



Take Care

John D. Panarese
Director
Mac for the Blind
Tel, (631) 724-4479
Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com

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On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
wrote:


I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine for 
me.

Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook Pro, 
and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.

---
Peace,
Brandon

Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You

Facebook: AwakenToSilence
Twitter: @awakentosilence
Tumblr: awakentosilence.tumblr.com

On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:


Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet Recovery. I 
could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the Mac App Store. 
Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my primary machine I don't 
mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.

On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Warning: whiny rant ahead.

I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came with 
it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would still be 
preferable to going back to Windows.

I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, made me realise just how 
stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS 
envy.  The small number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily have been 
foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like 
Snow Leopard.  How could I have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the 
"Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome change, even for some 
trifling little benefit which they will sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.

So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is that 
newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and comes 
from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, because Apple 
has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get system software 
updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I asked.  There are a 
couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make it worth having, like 
invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process Safari.  However, you'll have 
to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you need it, and there are definite 
stability issues.

/me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and live 
forever in a better time ...

No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.

Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not telling 
you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.

Cheers,
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[The Believer]

   This is how one makes the most of a new product. Look at the good in 
it and learn to make the best of the not so good. Alex, you are not 
missing anything. We start somewhere. We cannot start any sooner than 
that. I did start with using DOS but missed using key punch technology. 
Did I miss out? LOL


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  What if it were true?
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On 7/26/2014 7:55 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

Agreed. Mavericks is running fine, especially since I dumped Gmail for the much 
smoother and easier to use iCloud Mail. I started my Mac journey with Lion, so 
maybe I'm missing something, I don't know. Still, the increased iCloud syncing 
between iOS and OS X, the new voices, and all the other improvements make 
Mavericks the best Mac OS I've yet used.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
wrote:


I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working absolutely fine for 
me.

Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a new Macbook Pro, 
and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.

---
Peace,
Brandon

Awaken To Silence: Awaken To The Silence That Has Always Been Within You

Facebook: AwakenToSilence
Twitter: @awakentosilence
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On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:


Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came preinstalled with 
Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted to using Internet Recovery. I 
could also reinstall Mountain Lion by downloading it from the Mac App Store. 
Guess it's each to their own but since my mac is not my primary machine I don't 
mind upgrading and living the possible consequences.

On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:

Warning: whiny rant ahead.

I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my older machines 
that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop iMac originally came with 
it, and that although difficult, I could choose to use it.  This would still be 
preferable to going back to Windows.

I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a short while, made me realise just how 
stupid and pointless all subsequent releases of OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just gimmicks and iOS 
envy.  The small number of worthwhile features that came with newer OS releases could easily have been 
foregone or substituted if it meant getting back what I most liked about a clean, stable, functional OS like 
Snow Leopard.  How could I have upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the 
"Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept unwelcome change, even for some 
trifling little benefit which they will sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.

So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over Mavericks is that 
newer is not always better, but that ML is a good bit more stable and comes 
from a better cut.  However, I do recommend it in this instance, because Apple 
has abandoned accessibility support for ML, and you won't get system software 
updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I asked.  There are a 
couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides that make it worth having, like 
invisible Time Machine backups, and multi-process Safari.  However, you'll have 
to learn how to work the new iBooks, if you need it, and there are definite 
stability issues.

/me wonders if he should install Snow Leopard on my primary desktop, and live 
forever in a better time ...

No, probably not.  I would only hurt myself in the long run.

Yes, I saw the latest Yosemite, in case anyone's wondering.  I'm not telling 
you what to expect, but you can sign up for the beta for free.

Cheers,
Sabahattin



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Re: Express VPN -

[Traci Duncan]

Thank you both. I don't travel frequently, but when I do, I'd like to use vpn 
while on public wifi.

Traci

On Jul 26, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Justin Mann  wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> I use a VPN called Private Internet Access:
> http://www.privateinternetaccess.com
> It works well, is totally accessible on the mac, and has a very simple 
> interface.  I've never had them go off line, and honestly it just works, 
> there is no connection logging, and so far I've gotten very connection speeds 
> when I've used it.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, Traci,
>> 
>> I have never used Express-VPN, but I have tried out and used others.
>> 
>> For two years or so, I used Strong VPN and it worked flawlessly.  I only 
>> used it with my iPhone, not with my PC or Mac.  The only time it went down 
>> was when Hurricane Sandy hit NYC, but they were only offline for about 24 
>> hours.  The company charges around $57 per year or so.
>> 
>> Another VPN service I have used, which worked extremely well for me was 
>> HotSpot Shield from AnchorFree.  I found this in the Apple store.  I have 
>> never incurred any charges with them, but I haven't ever used the service 
>> for more than just a few minutes at a time.  I think (though I am not sure) 
>> that you pay something if you use them on a regular basis.  You'll need to 
>> check that out.   
>> 
>> You may be wondering why, if both of these services work so well, I used  
>> the past tense when describing my experiences with them.  The answer is 
>> simple.  A close friend set up a very good and reliable VPN server, so I use 
>> it now.  Nevertheless, I can truthfully say that both Strong VPN and HotSpot 
>> Shield did an excellent job of meeting my needs.
>> 
>> All the best from Austria,
>> 
>> Mike
>>  
>> On 25,Jul,2014, at 19:19, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm reading about VPNs this morning.  I'm familiar with Tunnel Bear & 
>>> Cloak, however the below service was ranked the best for 2014.
>>> 
>>> Have any MacVisionary or viPhone users used Express VPN?  How did you find 
>>> ease of use/accessibility?  How was your connection speed?
>>> 
>>> Do you recommend a different service?
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> Traci
>>> 
>>> https://www.express-vpn.com/order 
>>> 
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Re: Express VPN -

[Justin Mann]

I'ave had great lic with that using Private Internet Access.  Even better, you 
can give your computer an IP address from say the UK, and watch BBC live 
streaming programming, and have access to their audio description content.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> Thank you both. I don't travel frequently, but when I do, I'd like to use vpn 
> while on public wifi.
> 
> Traci
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Justin Mann  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> I use a VPN called Private Internet Access:
>> http://www.privateinternetaccess.com
>> It works well, is totally accessible on the mac, and has a very simple 
>> interface.  I've never had them go off line, and honestly it just works, 
>> there is no connection logging, and so far I've gotten very connection 
>> speeds when I've used it.
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Mike Busboom  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, Traci,
>>> 
>>> I have never used Express-VPN, but I have tried out and used others.
>>> 
>>> For two years or so, I used Strong VPN and it worked flawlessly.  I only 
>>> used it with my iPhone, not with my PC or Mac.  The only time it went down 
>>> was when Hurricane Sandy hit NYC, but they were only offline for about 24 
>>> hours.  The company charges around $57 per year or so.
>>> 
>>> Another VPN service I have used, which worked extremely well for me was 
>>> HotSpot Shield from AnchorFree.  I found this in the Apple store.  I have 
>>> never incurred any charges with them, but I haven't ever used the service 
>>> for more than just a few minutes at a time.  I think (though I am not sure) 
>>> that you pay something if you use them on a regular basis.  You'll need to 
>>> check that out.   
>>> 
>>> You may be wondering why, if both of these services work so well, I used  
>>> the past tense when describing my experiences with them.  The answer is 
>>> simple.  A close friend set up a very good and reliable VPN server, so I 
>>> use it now.  Nevertheless, I can truthfully say that both Strong VPN and 
>>> HotSpot Shield did an excellent job of meeting my needs.
>>> 
>>> All the best from Austria,
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>>  
>>> On 25,Jul,2014, at 19:19, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 
 I'm reading about VPNs this morning.  I'm familiar with Tunnel Bear & 
 Cloak, however the below service was ranked the best for 2014.
 
 Have any MacVisionary or viPhone users used Express VPN?  How did you find 
 ease of use/accessibility?  How was your connection speed?
 
 Do you recommend a different service?
 
 Thank you,
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

At any rate, with this new yearly schedule, I think the strategy of waiting 
until the worst is ironed out is a very good idea.  Apple is now patching two 
releases prior to the current generation, so you have the option, within those 
limits, of waiting for the dust to settle, which I highly recommend.  
Certainly, when I finally did move to Mavericks, the worst of the problems had 
been dealt with, but a few remained, and still remain, up until the prerelease 
of the current development release.  Only now, am I willing to "Standardise" on 
Mavericks, with its silly little bugs.  It's always difficult to know when to 
move, because, of course, there's always something you need from the latest 
version.

Sadly, the same option isn't available to iOS users, although the QA on iOS 
appears to be much better, so I've not felt the need for it.

Cheers,
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Devin Prater]

Well, my biggest complaint with osx is that the speech server is quite sluggish 
than iOS. 

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 13:16, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> At any rate, with this new yearly schedule, I think the strategy of waiting 
> until the worst is ironed out is a very good idea.  Apple is now patching two 
> releases prior to the current generation, so you have the option, within 
> those limits, of waiting for the dust to settle, which I highly recommend.  
> Certainly, when I finally did move to Mavericks, the worst of the problems 
> had been dealt with, but a few remained, and still remain, up until the 
> prerelease of the current development release.  Only now, am I willing to 
> "Standardise" on Mavericks, with its silly little bugs.  It's always 
> difficult to know when to move, because, of course, there's always something 
> you need from the latest version.
> 
> Sadly, the same option isn't available to iOS users, although the QA on iOS 
> appears to be much better, so I've not felt the need for it.
> 
> Cheers,
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Kevin Barry]

If you long for those days, well, nobody is stopping you from using one.

At 12:58 PM 7/26/2014, you wrote:
   I never used one of those.  I've held one and checked one out, 
but never got the hang of them.


I have a friend who has an Apple 2E with a lot of his original 
accessories and disks.  He fires that puppy up from time to time 
for nostalgia sake.



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On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:57 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

> I long for the days of the abacus.
>
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:35 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>
>  The reality is, you are going to find problems with any version 
of an operating system.  Look at the Windows users who still stick 
with XP at this point.  There are oddities that one person may have 
that cannot be recreated by another person with any version of an 
OS.  That is just the unfortunate aspect of computers, even within 
Mac systems.  Personally, going back to Snow Leopard?  Are you 
crazy?  Anyone who says that has not used each of the operating 
systems extensively as they have progressed from Tiger.  VoiceOver 
has come a long way since 10.4, and since I still have a Snow 
Leopard install available to me, as well as a Leopard one, I can 
tell you that you are not missing anything significant.  I have to 
work with a lady who is still running Snow Leopard and it's seems 
antiquated to me when I use it.  It's like night and day compared 
to VoiceOver in Mavericks.  I'd take Mavericks over Tiger, Leopard, 
Snow Leopard or anything else.  There are considerable technical 
differences and advances as well that go beyond VoiceOver.  You are 
drastically understating things if you are pining for the days of Snow Leopard.

>
>
> Take Care
>
> John D. Panarese
> Director
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> Tel, (631) 724-4479
> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
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>
>
>
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Brandon A. Olivares 
 wrote:

>
>> I don't see what is wrong with Mavericks. It's been working 
absolutely fine for me.

>>
>> Any issues I had was because my computer was old. I just got a 
new Macbook Pro, and now it runs smoothly. It's been perfectly solid.

>>
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>>
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Christopher Hallsworth 
 wrote:

>>
>>> Very true in that newer is not always better. My mac came 
preinstalled with Lion so I could go back to it if I really wanted 
to using Internet Recovery. I could also reinstall Mountain Lion by 
downloading it from the Mac App Store. Guess it's each to their own 
but since my mac is not my primary machine I don't mind upgrading 
and living the possible consequences.

>>>
>>> On 25/07/2014 23:34, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
 Warning: whiny rant ahead.

 I made the mistake of reinstalling Snow Leopard on one of my 
older machines that supported it.  I also learned that my desktop 
iMac originally came with it, and that although difficult, I could 
choose to use it.  This would still be preferable to going back to Windows.


 I say "Mistake" because using Snow Leopard again, even for a 
short while, made me realise just how stupid and pointless all 
subsequent releases of OS X have been.  I mean, really, it's just 
gimmicks and iOS envy.  The small number of worthwhile features 
that came with newer OS releases could easily have been foregone or 
substituted if it meant getting back what I most liked about a 
clean, stable, functional OS like Snow Leopard.  How could I have 
upgraded three OS releases and not noticed that?  I guess the 
"Magic" of Apple is really that they can convince people to accept 
unwelcome change, even for some trifling little benefit which they 
will sell as a "Feature" to justify an entire OS upgrade.


 So, to answer your question, the reason to install ML over 
Mavericks is that newer is not always better, but that ML is a good 
bit more stable and comes from a better cut.  However, I do 
recommend it in this instance, because Apple has abandoned 
accessibility support for ML, and you won't get system software 
updates that address any accessibility issues.  I know; I 
asked.  There are a couple of minor changes in Mavericks besides 
that make it worth having, like invisible Time Machine backups, and 
multi-process Safari.  However, you'll have to learn how to work 
the new iBooks, if you ne

Re: Express VPN -

[Kevin Barry]

I use ProXpn.
Works very well.
The app configures your IOS device for you making it quite simple to 
turn it on or off and to choose where you want your connection to surface.

useful for travel.
Not to mention getting to  streams not available in your area.
I'm talking to you al jazeera which went away in the U.S. when they 
got on Directv. Even though I have Directv, it's a different news feed.

Kevin

At 01:54 PM 7/26/2014, you wrote:
Thank you both. I don't travel frequently, but when I do, I'd like 
to use vpn while on public wifi.


Traci

On Jul 26, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Justin Mann 
<w9...@me.com> wrote:



Hi there,

I use a VPN called Private Internet Access:
http://www.privateinternetaccess.com
It works well, is totally accessible on the mac, and has a very 
simple interface.  I've never had them go off line, and honestly it 
just works, there is no connection logging, and so far I've gotten 
very connection speeds when I've used it.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Mike Busboom 
<mbusb...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi, Traci,

I have never used Express-VPN, but I have tried out and used others.

For two years or so, I used Strong VPN and it worked 
flawlessly.  I only used it with my iPhone, not with my PC or 
Mac.  The only time it went down was when Hurricane Sandy hit NYC, 
but they were only offline for about 24 hours.  The company 
charges around $57 per year or so.


Another VPN service I have used, which worked extremely well for 
me was HotSpot Shield from AnchorFree.  I found this in the Apple 
store.  I have never incurred any charges with them, but I haven't 
ever used the service for more than just a few minutes at a 
time.  I think (though I am not sure) that you pay something if 
you use them on a regular basis.  You'll need to check that out.


You may be wondering why, if both of these services work so well, 
I used  the past tense when describing my experiences with 
them.  The answer is simple.  A close friend set up a very good 
and reliable VPN server, so I use it now.  Nevertheless, I can 
truthfully say that both Strong VPN and HotSpot Shield did an 
excellent job of meeting my needs.


All the best from Austria,

Mike

On 25,Jul,2014, at 19:19, Traci Duncan 
<our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

I'm reading about VPNs this morning.  I'm familiar with Tunnel 
Bear & Cloak, however the below service was ranked the best for 2014.


Have any MacVisionary or viPhone users used Express VPN?  How did 
you find ease of use/accessibility?  How was your connection speed?


Do you recommend a different service?

Thank you,
Traci

https://www.express-vpn.com/order


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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Well, when you "Add" a new partition, you are shrinking the partition whose 
free space you are using transparently; this is all handled by the disk 
management framework in OS X.

To be honest, Disk Utility isn't the nicest tool to use for these sorts of 
jobs, so if you're up to it, I'd use the diskutil command line tool.  Type 
"diskutil resizeVolume" to learn how to do this using diskutil.

Cheers,
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Alex Hall]

The latest: I resized the Macintosh HD partition, as I said before. That went 
fine, yet the partition I'm trying to create is *still* stuck at 8.79GB. I type 
in the new size (14GB), and it immediately gets replaced by 8.79, just like 
before. This makes no sense at all. Would the command line tool do the job? I'd 
hate to mess up a command and have to wipe the entire computer.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:03 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Well, when you "Add" a new partition, you are shrinking the partition whose 
> free space you are using transparently; this is all handled by the disk 
> management framework in OS X.
> 
> To be honest, Disk Utility isn't the nicest tool to use for these sorts of 
> jobs, so if you're up to it, I'd use the diskutil command line tool.  Type 
> "diskutil resizeVolume" to learn how to do this using diskutil.
> 
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Re: Message Preview in Classic Layout for Mail?

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Of course, you may continue to jump (VO-J) over to the message preview while 
it's selected, but I prefer to have that pane off altogether to avoid messages 
being marked read when they're selected.

I'm in classic mode because I always want the subject line read first while 
skimming.  As you noticed, the other nice benefit is that because it's a table 
you can easily reorder columns, or sort the messages on a column (useful for EG 
prioritising threads by overall size).

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Re: Message Preview in Classic Layout for Mail?

[Alex Hall]

Yes, I also keep the preview pane off completely. I do like having my subject 
first, it makes things much faster when skimming through tons of messages.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:19 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Of course, you may continue to jump (VO-J) over to the message preview while 
> it's selected, but I prefer to have that pane off altogether to avoid 
> messages being marked read when they're selected.
> 
> I'm in classic mode because I always want the subject line read first while 
> skimming.  As you noticed, the other nice benefit is that because it's a 
> table you can easily reorder columns, or sort the messages on a column 
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

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Can you send us the output of "diskutil list" so we can see where you are?

I do advise you to take that backup now, just in case.

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Re: Reclaiming VM virtual machine free space

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

In Windows, delete temporary files (disk cleanup), defragment, and then shrink. 
 Shrink is done using the VMWareToolboxCmd tool from the command line, because 
for some stupid reason VMWare removed the control panel applet from the tools.  
Shut down, and finally clean up the VM using Fusion.

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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Alex Hall]

I haven't made the new partition yet, so here's all I have:

AccessIT-LLC-Macbook-Air:~ alexhall$ diskutil list
/dev/disk0
   #:   TYPE NAMESIZE   IDENTIFIER
   0:  GUID_partition_scheme*60.7 GBdisk0
   1:EFI EFI 209.7 MB   disk0s1
   2:  Apple_HFS Macintosh HD51.5 GBdisk0s2
   3: Apple_Boot Recovery HD 650.0 MB   disk0s4
AccessIT-LLC-Macbook-Air:~ alexhall$ 

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> Can you send us the output of "diskutil list" so we can see where you are?
> 
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Re: Replying to mails in the Apple mail program in Mavericks and onwards?

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Alpine also does this; I just tried and it prompts you whether or not you'd 
like to reply using the reply address.

The problem is that using a textmode client makes it rather hard to be 
efficient with speech only under OS X.  It works reasonably well, but not well 
enough to replace a native GUI client, I think.

If you want a command-line client that has network support, try Heirloom mailx; 
it's entirely /bin/mail compatible, and yet it supports GPG and S/MIME, reading 
via POP and IMAP, and sending via SMTP.  Very retro, and very cool.

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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi. I'd like to see where in Mavericks you see Safari crash. I installed 
Mavericks on day 1 when it released and had no problems with my Safari 
whatsoever. Also, you say that Voiceover was unstable for you. What was going 
on? Because again, my Voiceover worked perfectly on Mavericks.
The reason why I was excited for Mavericks is because, and this may sound a 
little shallow to you, I was excited that Vocalizer Expressive was finally 
coming. And yes, OS X Snow Leopard was a good OS, that's what was installed on 
this mid 2010 white MacBook, but I missed the Nuance voices that I had on my PC 
before I sold it and when Lion came out, I could finally use them. I will say 
one thing though, thank God they fixed, or almost fixed, the pitch change bug 
it had.

Shawn
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> On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> If your Mac journey starts with Lion, then I'd agree that anything subsequent 
> is a vast improvement.  Of the three released since Lion, I think ML has 
> proven to be the least annoying and most stable, but Mavericks will probably 
> prove less frustrating at the current rate of VoiceOver instability and 
> Safari crashes.
> 
> I don't agree that OS X is substantially better since SL, in fact, I'd argue 
> that many things now taken for granted started their life in SL.  This 
> includes the many VoiceOver changes since Leopard, which IMO were among the 
> biggest.  FWIW, my first Mac came with Leopard, although I wasn't much 
> impressed by Tiger before it, and didn't even know Apple had a Spoken 
> Interface preview before then.  I had some dealings with classic Mac OS, but 
> only through a musical friend downgrading for the use of Outspoken from 
> Panther.
> 
> The Windows comparison is highly strained, because indeed, Windows 7--still 
> used by many people--was released in the same year as SL.  I realise the 
> power of nostalgia, but Apple's release cycle is much shorter than 
> Microsoft's, and there are still people using SL because they have to, EG 
> those with Core Solo Macs.  So, yes, SL is to Apple what XP is to Windows, 
> but only because it's discontinued and many people have, use, need and enjoy 
> it.
> 
> I don't think I could go back to SL.  I might install it, and use it, between 
> now and Yosemite, as a kind of personal protest.  Sadly, some of the tools I 
> use (in particular OS X server's caching server and Arq) require later 
> versions of OS X.  Still, I do maintain that SL was, subjectively at any 
> rate, the best version of OS X I've used--better than Leopard 10.5.8, Lion, 
> Mountain Lion, and Mavericks.  The latter three, in my opinion, are 
> destroying the platform, rendering it less and less "Mac-like" and more and 
> more "iPad-like", which is not a trend I appreciate at all.  As soon as 
> "Windows 9" (or whatever they call it) comes out and proves to be everything 
> that's likeable about Windows 7, but with all of the under-the-hood goodness 
> in Windows 8, I'll take a serious look.
> 
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

OK, so we now know that you do, in fact, only have about 8GB of unpartitioned 
space.  Let's resize this to 70% of the disk, leaving 30% for your 
testing--that would be about 20GB.  Adjust as required.  You'd type this, and 
enter your password (hope you've got that backup):
sudo diskutil resizeVolume disk0s2 70% JHFS+ Testing 0

This ought to get your original partition resized to 70%, give or take a bit, 
and get you a second slice called "Testing" for your testing with the 
remainder.  The free space is between the first slice and the recovery area.

Hope it works ...

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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Michael Marshall]

Partitioning with voice-over is useless. i think a lot more could be done to 
make the panels more accessible. take the resize control
On 26 Jul 2014, at 10:28 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I made sure to select the proper partition from the scroll area, and the size 
> did show up. The thing it, any value I enter in the size text field is 
> replaced by 8.34 no matter what. VO indicates that, in the scroll area, there 
> is a "resize control", but I can't figure out how that is supposed to work. 
> The options button is also dimmed for no apparent reason.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
>> Sounds like you don't have the partition in question selected.
>> Interact with the scroll area containing the partitions and vo-space on the 
>> one you want.  Then all the things you want should be enabled.
>> Also note that unless it has been fixed, the installation does something 
>> strange to an existing partitioning scheme.  After the install, all of your 
>> partitions may be contained in a logical partition of the same name as the 
>> Yosemite.  Not to worry however as erasing the Yosemite partition will put 
>> everything back to normal.  At least that has been my experience.
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to test Yosemite, and I've been running it off an old thumb 
>> drive. Needless to say, I've hit serious lag issues that practically prevent 
>> me from using the system. I'd like to partition my (admittedly small) 
>> internal disk instead, so I've moved my Windows VM off for now, leaving me 
>> with what Finder tells me is about 19GB free.
>> 
>> I opened up Disk utility and selected my internal disk, then hit the 
>> Partition tab, then Add. I did this same thing to the afore mentioned thumb 
>> drive, and it was a snap. Now, trying to do this on my internal disk, I'm 
>> getting odd behavior.
>> 
>> * Despite having almost 19GB available, the new partition is stuck at 8.34GB 
>> and I can't change it. When I type a new size, it automatically reverts to 
>> 8.34 seconds later.
>> * I can't open the options to check my table is correct because the button 
>> is dimmed.
>> * I can't find a place to name the new partition.
>> * The number of partitions (the popup menu) is dimmed. This is not a problem 
>> since the add/remove buttons work, but it was not dimmed when I partitioned 
>> my thumb drive.
>> 
>> What am I missing? Do I need to shrink the existing partition? If so, I 
>> don't know that I can - I tried, but that seemed to make no difference. I 
>> don't know why this is so much harder than that thumb drive, but it's giving 
>> me no end of trouble for some reason. Can anyone offer any help? Thanks!
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>> Alex Hall
>> mehg...@icloud.com
>> 
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Re: I Miss Snow Leopard! Was Re: reinstalling mac OS10

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I've got ProblemReporter logging to notification centre and almost every day 
that I look VoiceOver has crashed several times.  It seems to be particularly 
bad when opening PDF files on the web or on pages where there's a lot of script 
and dynamic content.

No, of course it's not shallow.  Absolutely, the new voices were a nice, even 
if I stuck with Alex in the end.  And I have to say, I didn't notice the 
chipmunk effect; I just got used to it.  Strange things. :)

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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Alex Hall]

Before I do this, I have a question: where'd my extra space go? I successfully 
used Disk Utility to resize my Macintosh HD down earlier, but that gave me no 
extra free space. Well, the size Disk Utility forces me to use went from 8.34GB 
to 8.79GB, but that's after I resized the main partition down by 14GB or so. 
Did that not do what I thought it would? I'm asking because I'd hate to do all 
this again just to have nothing work. Right now, my Macintosh HD reports 51GB 
total, with 10GB free, in Finder. That is despite my telling Disk Utility to 
resize it to 45GB, not 51.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

> OK, so we now know that you do, in fact, only have about 8GB of unpartitioned 
> space.  Let's resize this to 70% of the disk, leaving 30% for your 
> testing--that would be about 20GB.  Adjust as required.  You'd type this, and 
> enter your password (hope you've got that backup):
> sudo diskutil resizeVolume disk0s2 70% JHFS+ Testing 0
> 
> This ought to get your original partition resized to 70%, give or take a bit, 
> and get you a second slice called "Testing" for your testing with the 
> remainder.  The free space is between the first slice and the recovery area.
> 
> Hope it works ...
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Cheryl Homiak]

I have to comment here that partitioning with voiceover is most certainly NOT 
useless. I do it all the time with external drives and have done it with my 
internal drive on occasion. I don't have time right now to write more, but it 
involves how you interact and tab; it might be a bit challenging but it isn't 
at all undoable with voiceover. It's much more tricky if you are resizing 
though because (1) you can't resize in such a way to make your partition that 
already has data on it too small to hold the data any more; (2) if you try to 
resize and put in a text value this often won't be the exact figure that you 
really need for resizing; and (3) if you actually have free space that isn't 
even partitioned somewhere this makes it more complicated yet. However, it 
definitely is possible to partition using voiceover and it gets easier the more 
you do it. This includes writing your names in the title text fields too.


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> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears! 
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 


> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> Partitioning with voice-over is useless. i think a lot more could be done to 
> make the panels more accessible. take the resize control
>> On 26 Jul 2014, at 10:28 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> I made sure to select the proper partition from the scroll area, and the 
>> size did show up. The thing it, any value I enter in the size text field is 
>> replaced by 8.34 no matter what. VO indicates that, in the scroll area, 
>> there is a "resize control", but I can't figure out how that is supposed to 
>> work. The options button is also dimmed for no apparent reason.
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sounds like you don't have the partition in question selected.
>>> Interact with the scroll area containing the partitions and vo-space on the 
>>> one you want.  Then all the things you want should be enabled.
>>> Also note that unless it has been fixed, the installation does something 
>>> strange to an existing partitioning scheme.  After the install, all of your 
>>> partitions may be contained in a logical partition of the same name as the 
>>> Yosemite.  Not to worry however as erasing the Yosemite partition will put 
>>> everything back to normal.  At least that has been my experience.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I'm trying to test Yosemite, and I've been running it off an old thumb 
>>> drive. Needless to say, I've hit serious lag issues that practically 
>>> prevent me from using the system. I'd like to partition my (admittedly 
>>> small) internal disk instead, so I've moved my Windows VM off for now, 
>>> leaving me with what Finder tells me is about 19GB free.
>>> 
>>> I opened up Disk utility and selected my internal disk, then hit the 
>>> Partition tab, then Add. I did this same thing to the afore mentioned thumb 
>>> drive, and it was a snap. Now, trying to do this on my internal disk, I'm 
>>> getting odd behavior.
>>> 
>>> * Despite having almost 19GB available, the new partition is stuck at 
>>> 8.34GB and I can't change it. When I type a new size, it automatically 
>>> reverts to 8.34 seconds later.
>>> * I can't open the options to check my table is correct because the button 
>>> is dimmed.
>>> * I can't find a place to name the new partition.
>>> * The number of partitions (the popup menu) is dimmed. This is not a 
>>> problem since the add/remove buttons work, but it was not dimmed when I 
>>> partitioned my thumb drive.
>>> 
>>> What am I missing? Do I need to shrink the existing partition? If so, I 
>>> don't know that I can - I tried, but that seemed to make no difference. I 
>>> don't know why this is so much harder than that thumb drive, but it's 
>>> giving me no end of trouble for some reason. Can anyone offer any help? 
>>> Thanks!
>>> --
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex Hall
>>> mehg...@icloud.com
>>> 
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

I'm not sure why DU is forcing such a small value.  You ought to be able to 
specify any size up to a maximum for each partition such that they all occupy 
all of the space of the entire disk.  This is really where DU just falls down, 
as far as VO support is concerned.

You're correct that about 51GB is in use by the entire partition; that's what 
your diskutil output shows.

The process is non-destructive (hopefully ...) and the space right now is 
between your primary partition and the recovery area; it's unusable while it's 
unpartitioned space.  The worst that is likely to happen is that you'll be told 
why you can't resize.

In the command that I gave you, replace "70%" with "45G" (no quotes) to get 
what you are asking for exactly.

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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Christopher Hallsworth]

I tell you something, partitioning is something that is totally 
accessible from the word go under OS X. Under Windows you either need 
sighted assistance or one of the talking environments out there, unless 
you use a third party partitioning program under Windows or you want to 
partition on drives other than the system drive using Disk Management.


On 26/07/2014 21:23, Cheryl Homiak wrote:

I have to comment here that partitioning with voiceover is most certainly NOT 
useless. I do it all the time with external drives and have done it with my 
internal drive on occasion. I don't have time right now to write more, but it 
involves how you interact and tab; it might be a bit challenging but it isn't 
at all undoable with voiceover. It's much more tricky if you are resizing 
though because (1) you can't resize in such a way to make your partition that 
already has data on it too small to hold the data any more; (2) if you try to 
resize and put in a text value this often won't be the exact figure that you 
really need for resizing; and (3) if you actually have free space that isn't 
even partitioned somewhere this makes it more complicated yet. However, it 
definitely is possible to partition using voiceover and it gets easier the more 
you do it. This includes writing your names in the title text fields too.



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His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
"This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness."
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On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

Partitioning with voice-over is useless. i think a lot more could be done to 
make the panels more accessible. take the resize control

On 26 Jul 2014, at 10:28 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:

I made sure to select the proper partition from the scroll area, and the size did show 
up. The thing it, any value I enter in the size text field is replaced by 8.34 no matter 
what. VO indicates that, in the scroll area, there is a "resize control", but I 
can't figure out how that is supposed to work. The options button is also dimmed for no 
apparent reason.

On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:

Sounds like you don't have the partition in question selected.
Interact with the scroll area containing the partitions and vo-space on the one 
you want.  Then all the things you want should be enabled.
Also note that unless it has been fixed, the installation does something 
strange to an existing partitioning scheme.  After the install, all of your 
partitions may be contained in a logical partition of the same name as the 
Yosemite.  Not to worry however as erasing the Yosemite partition will put 
everything back to normal.  At least that has been my experience.

On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Hi all,
I'm trying to test Yosemite, and I've been running it off an old thumb drive. 
Needless to say, I've hit serious lag issues that practically prevent me from 
using the system. I'd like to partition my (admittedly small) internal disk 
instead, so I've moved my Windows VM off for now, leaving me with what Finder 
tells me is about 19GB free.

I opened up Disk utility and selected my internal disk, then hit the Partition 
tab, then Add. I did this same thing to the afore mentioned thumb drive, and it 
was a snap. Now, trying to do this on my internal disk, I'm getting odd 
behavior.

* Despite having almost 19GB available, the new partition is stuck at 8.34GB 
and I can't change it. When I type a new size, it automatically reverts to 8.34 
seconds later.
* I can't open the options to check my table is correct because the button is 
dimmed.
* I can't find a place to name the new partition.
* The number of partitions (the popup menu) is dimmed. This is not a problem 
since the add/remove buttons work, but it was not dimmed when I partitioned my 
thumb drive.

What am I missing? Do I need to shrink the existing partition? If so, I don't 
know that I can - I tried, but that seemed to make no difference. I don't know 
why this is so much harder than that thumb drive, but it's giving me no end of 
trouble for some reason. Can anyone offer any help? Thanks!
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Alex Hall]

Apologies, but can you re-send that command? Thanks.

Yes, generally, partitioning is easy. I've done this sort of thing several 
times in the past with no trouble, on internal and external drives. I've never 
seen an attempt go sideways like this one has, but this is the first time I've 
had problems with the process.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

> I'm not sure why DU is forcing such a small value.  You ought to be able to 
> specify any size up to a maximum for each partition such that they all occupy 
> all of the space of the entire disk.  This is really where DU just falls 
> down, as far as VO support is concerned.
> 
> You're correct that about 51GB is in use by the entire partition; that's what 
> your diskutil output shows.
> 
> The process is non-destructive (hopefully ...) and the space right now is 
> between your primary partition and the recovery area; it's unusable while 
> it's unpartitioned space.  The worst that is likely to happen is that you'll 
> be told why you can't resize.
> 
> In the command that I gave you, replace "70%" with "45G" (no quotes) to get 
> what you are asking for exactly.
> 
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Re: Express VPN -

[Brent Harding]

That's the one that's advertised on the Twit podcasts. I would imagine if 
Leo Laporte advertises it, it's a pretty good service because they don't 
just advertise anything that comes.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kevin Barry" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Express VPN -



I use ProXpn.
Works very well.
The app configures your IOS device for you making it quite simple to turn 
it on or off and to choose where you want your connection to surface.

useful for travel.
Not to mention getting to  streams not available in your area.
I'm talking to you al jazeera which went away in the U.S. when they got on 
Directv. Even though I have Directv, it's a different news feed.

Kevin

At 01:54 PM 7/26/2014, you wrote:
Thank you both. I don't travel frequently, but when I do, I'd like to use 
vpn while on public wifi.


Traci

On Jul 26, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Justin Mann 
<w9...@me.com> wrote:



Hi there,

I use a VPN called Private Internet Access:
http://www.privateinternetaccess.com
It works well, is totally accessible on the mac, and has a very simple 
interface.  I've never had them go off line, and honestly it just works, 
there is no connection logging, and so far I've gotten very connection 
speeds when I've used it.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Mike Busboom 
<mbusb...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi, Traci,

I have never used Express-VPN, but I have tried out and used others.

For two years or so, I used Strong VPN and it worked flawlessly.  I only 
used it with my iPhone, not with my PC or Mac.  The only time it went 
down was when Hurricane Sandy hit NYC, but they were only offline for 
about 24 hours.  The company charges around $57 per year or so.


Another VPN service I have used, which worked extremely well for me was 
HotSpot Shield from AnchorFree.  I found this in the Apple store.  I 
have never incurred any charges with them, but I haven't ever used the 
service for more than just a few minutes at a time.  I think (though I 
am not sure) that you pay something if you use them on a regular basis. 
You'll need to check that out.


You may be wondering why, if both of these services work so well, I used 
the past tense when describing my experiences with them.  The answer is 
simple.  A close friend set up a very good and reliable VPN server, so I 
use it now.  Nevertheless, I can truthfully say that both Strong VPN and 
HotSpot Shield did an excellent job of meeting my needs.


All the best from Austria,

Mike

On 25,Jul,2014, at 19:19, Traci Duncan 
<our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

I'm reading about VPNs this morning.  I'm familiar with Tunnel Bear & 
Cloak, however the below service was ranked the best for 2014.


Have any MacVisionary or viPhone users used Express VPN?  How did you 
find ease of use/accessibility?  How was your connection speed?


Do you recommend a different service?

Thank you,
Traci

https://www.express-vpn.com/order


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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Cheryl Homiak]

What I think you may not be understanding is that by writing in an amount 
instead of just working the resizer you usually aren't going to get the exact 
fraction needed for resizing so you are going to get an error and/or a 
different size than you thought you requested. This isn't a matter of DU 
falling down with voiceover as far as I can see.


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> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears! 
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 


> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure why DU is forcing such a small value.  You ought to be able to 
> specify any size up to a maximum for each partition such that they all occupy 
> all of the space of the entire disk.  This is really where DU just falls 
> down, as far as VO support is concerned.
> 
> You're correct that about 51GB is in use by the entire partition; that's what 
> your diskutil output shows.
> 
> The process is non-destructive (hopefully ...) and the space right now is 
> between your primary partition and the recovery area; it's unusable while 
> it's unpartitioned space.  The worst that is likely to happen is that you'll 
> be told why you can't resize.
> 
> In the command that I gave you, replace "70%" with "45G" (no quotes) to get 
> what you are asking for exactly.
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questions

[May McDonald Homuth]

Good day all.

First a question for a friend of mine. I asked this a few days ago and was 
suggested to check ICloud to see if that would help fix the problem my friend 
is having. Sorry, it was no luck. The problem is whenever he goes to the mac 
apt store to update instead of staying logged in with his apple ID it keeps 
going back to the original person that had the mac. Is there a way to fix this 
or do they need to complete clear the mac and start over with just their apple 
ID? They've tried logging out and back in, checked ICloud, logged out of ITunes 
and back in and nothing seems to be working.

Now the second question is for myself. Is there a certain plug in or program I 
need on my mac to play videos that appear on sites such as blogs? I thought 
flash player was what I needed, but Safari still won't show me that videos are 
there and I know they are. Any help there would be appreciated as well, thanks.

50 days
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Alex Hall]

Fair enough, I guess I can see that. The question then becomes: how do you use 
the resize control? I interact with it, but can't do anything past that. Is 
there a special command to use this?
On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> What I think you may not be understanding is that by writing in an amount 
> instead of just working the resizer you usually aren't going to get the exact 
> fraction needed for resizing so you are going to get an error and/or a 
> different size than you thought you requested. This isn't a matter of DU 
> falling down with voiceover as far as I can see.
> 
> 
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>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure why DU is forcing such a small value.  You ought to be able to 
>> specify any size up to a maximum for each partition such that they all 
>> occupy all of the space of the entire disk.  This is really where DU just 
>> falls down, as far as VO support is concerned.
>> 
>> You're correct that about 51GB is in use by the entire partition; that's 
>> what your diskutil output shows.
>> 
>> The process is non-destructive (hopefully ...) and the space right now is 
>> between your primary partition and the recovery area; it's unusable while 
>> it's unpartitioned space.  The worst that is likely to happen is that you'll 
>> be told why you can't resize.
>> 
>> In the command that I gave you, replace "70%" with "45G" (no quotes) to get 
>> what you are asking for exactly.
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Re: questions

[Alex Hall]

First, when you say you've logged out, is that in the iCloud part of System 
Preferences? If not, give that a try.

As to videos, they might actually be there. Find the frame containing the 
video, and interact; Mavericks might be stopping the Flash plugin from loading, 
presenting a button with a label about power saving instead. Click that button 
and the video should load right up. If not, go to Safari's preferences, then 
extensions, and be sure Flash is enabled.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:49 PM, May McDonald Homuth  wrote:

> Good day all.
> 
> First a question for a friend of mine. I asked this a few days ago and was 
> suggested to check ICloud to see if that would help fix the problem my friend 
> is having. Sorry, it was no luck. The problem is whenever he goes to the mac 
> apt store to update instead of staying logged in with his apple ID it keeps 
> going back to the original person that had the mac. Is there a way to fix 
> this or do they need to complete clear the mac and start over with just their 
> apple ID? They've tried logging out and back in, checked ICloud, logged out 
> of ITunes and back in and nothing seems to be working.
> 
> Now the second question is for myself. Is there a certain plug in or program 
> I need on my mac to play videos that appear on sites such as blogs? I thought 
> flash player was what I needed, but Safari still won't show me that videos 
> are there and I know they are. Any help there would be appreciated as well, 
> thanks.
> 
> 50 days
> May and Leader Dog . . .
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> m...@canadianlynx.ca
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Re: questions

[May]

Oh, hmm under my safari settings there seems to be no extensions there. Well, 
guess that would explain why it doesn't show me anything.

As for the apt store problem. He's logged out of ICloud, ITunes, the apt store, 
everything that uses an apple ID. Then he signed back in with his apple ID 
information and as soon as he goes to update the mac at the apt store it 
reverts back to the old apple ID.

50 days
May and Leader Dog . . .
www.canadianlynx.ca

On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> First, when you say you've logged out, is that in the iCloud part of System 
> Preferences? If not, give that a try.
> 
> As to videos, they might actually be there. Find the frame containing the 
> video, and interact; Mavericks might be stopping the Flash plugin from 
> loading, presenting a button with a label about power saving instead. Click 
> that button and the video should load right up. If not, go to Safari's 
> preferences, then extensions, and be sure Flash is enabled.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:49 PM, May McDonald Homuth  wrote:
> 
>> Good day all.
>> 
>> First a question for a friend of mine. I asked this a few days ago and was 
>> suggested to check ICloud to see if that would help fix the problem my 
>> friend is having. Sorry, it was no luck. The problem is whenever he goes to 
>> the mac apt store to update instead of staying logged in with his apple ID 
>> it keeps going back to the original person that had the mac. Is there a way 
>> to fix this or do they need to complete clear the mac and start over with 
>> just their apple ID? They've tried logging out and back in, checked ICloud, 
>> logged out of ITunes and back in and nothing seems to be working.
>> 
>> Now the second question is for myself. Is there a certain plug in or program 
>> I need on my mac to play videos that appear on sites such as blogs? I 
>> thought flash player was what I needed, but Safari still won't show me that 
>> videos are there and I know they are. Any help there would be appreciated as 
>> well, thanks.
>> 
>> 50 days
>> May and Leader Dog . . .
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> m...@canadianlynx.ca
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Re: Express VPN -

[Kevin Barry]

that's the one.

At 05:23 PM 7/26/2014, you wrote:
That's the one that's advertised on the Twit podcasts. I would 
imagine if Leo Laporte advertises it, it's a pretty good service 
because they don't just advertise anything that comes.


- Original Message - From: "Kevin Barry" 
To: 
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: Express VPN -



I use ProXpn.
Works very well.
The app configures your IOS device for you making it quite simple 
to turn it on or off and to choose where you want your connection to surface.

useful for travel.
Not to mention getting to  streams not available in your area.
I'm talking to you al jazeera which went away in the U.S. when they 
got on Directv. Even though I have Directv, it's a different news feed.

Kevin

At 01:54 PM 7/26/2014, you wrote:
Thank you both. I don't travel frequently, but when I do, I'd like 
to use vpn while on public wifi.


Traci

On Jul 26, 2014, at 9:01 AM, Justin Mann 
<w9...@me.com> wrote:



Hi there,

I use a VPN called Private Internet Access:
http://www.privateinternetaccess.com
It works well, is totally accessible on the mac, and has a very 
simple interface.  I've never had them go off line, and honestly 
it just works, there is no connection logging, and so far I've 
gotten very connection speeds when I've used it.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:32 AM, Mike Busboom 
<mbusb...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi, Traci,

I have never used Express-VPN, but I have tried out and used others.

For two years or so, I used Strong VPN and it worked 
flawlessly.  I only used it with my iPhone, not with my PC or 
Mac.  The only time it went down was when Hurricane Sandy hit 
NYC, but they were only offline for about 24 hours.  The company 
charges around $57 per year or so.


Another VPN service I have used, which worked extremely well for 
me was HotSpot Shield from AnchorFree.  I found this in the 
Apple store.  I have never incurred any charges with them, but I 
haven't ever used the service for more than just a few minutes 
at a time.  I think (though I am not sure) that you pay 
something if you use them on a regular basis. You'll need to check that out.


You may be wondering why, if both of these services work so 
well, I used the past tense when describing my experiences with 
them.  The answer is simple.  A close friend set up a very good 
and reliable VPN server, so I use it now.  Nevertheless, I can 
truthfully say that both Strong VPN and HotSpot Shield did an 
excellent job of meeting my needs.


All the best from Austria,

Mike

On 25,Jul,2014, at 19:19, Traci Duncan 
<our4p...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi all,

I'm reading about VPNs this morning.  I'm familiar with Tunnel 
Bear & Cloak, however the below service was ranked the best for 2014.


Have any MacVisionary or viPhone users used Express VPN?  How 
did you find ease of use/accessibility?  How was your connection speed?


Do you recommend a different service?

Thank you,
Traci

https://www.express-vpn.com/order


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Re: questions

[Alex Hall]

Every app, yes, but has he logged out in System Preferences > iCloud? That's 
the main place for it. Also, any apps he has installed that are left from the 
previous owner will belong to that previous owner, and so will need that 
password to update. He can just re-install them under his ID to fix that. For 
system updates, the same thing allies - the previous owner ran the install of 
the OS, I imagine, so updates will be under that old account. Changing the 
iCloud account in System Preferences may help this too, but I'm not sure. 
Generally, when someone gives/sells you a computer, the first thing you do is a 
clean install, but it sounds like that didn't happen in this case.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:05 PM, May  wrote:

> Oh, hmm under my safari settings there seems to be no extensions there. Well, 
> guess that would explain why it doesn't show me anything.
> 
> As for the apt store problem. He's logged out of ICloud, ITunes, the apt 
> store, everything that uses an apple ID. Then he signed back in with his 
> apple ID information and as soon as he goes to update the mac at the apt 
> store it reverts back to the old apple ID.
> 
> 50 days
> May and Leader Dog . . .
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> First, when you say you've logged out, is that in the iCloud part of System 
>> Preferences? If not, give that a try.
>> 
>> As to videos, they might actually be there. Find the frame containing the 
>> video, and interact; Mavericks might be stopping the Flash plugin from 
>> loading, presenting a button with a label about power saving instead. Click 
>> that button and the video should load right up. If not, go to Safari's 
>> preferences, then extensions, and be sure Flash is enabled.
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:49 PM, May McDonald Homuth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Good day all.
>>> 
>>> First a question for a friend of mine. I asked this a few days ago and was 
>>> suggested to check ICloud to see if that would help fix the problem my 
>>> friend is having. Sorry, it was no luck. The problem is whenever he goes to 
>>> the mac apt store to update instead of staying logged in with his apple ID 
>>> it keeps going back to the original person that had the mac. Is there a way 
>>> to fix this or do they need to complete clear the mac and start over with 
>>> just their apple ID? They've tried logging out and back in, checked ICloud, 
>>> logged out of ITunes and back in and nothing seems to be working.
>>> 
>>> Now the second question is for myself. Is there a certain plug in or 
>>> program I need on my mac to play videos that appear on sites such as blogs? 
>>> I thought flash player was what I needed, but Safari still won't show me 
>>> that videos are there and I know they are. Any help there would be 
>>> appreciated as well, thanks.
>>> 
>>> 50 days
>>> May and Leader Dog . . .
>>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>>> m...@canadianlynx.ca
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Re: questions

[May]

Yeah, sounds that way to me as well, but I wanted to check all options before 
telling them to start over. But since we did run through everything then final 
option it will be. Thanks for your help. Yes, I did have him go through system 
preferences to log out of ICloud and it didn't work, so I'll just have him 
start over.

Now on to fix my flash issue.

50 days
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www.canadianlynx.ca

On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Every app, yes, but has he logged out in System Preferences > iCloud? That's 
> the main place for it. Also, any apps he has installed that are left from the 
> previous owner will belong to that previous owner, and so will need that 
> password to update. He can just re-install them under his ID to fix that. For 
> system updates, the same thing allies - the previous owner ran the install of 
> the OS, I imagine, so updates will be under that old account. Changing the 
> iCloud account in System Preferences may help this too, but I'm not sure. 
> Generally, when someone gives/sells you a computer, the first thing you do is 
> a clean install, but it sounds like that didn't happen in this case.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:05 PM, May  wrote:
> 
>> Oh, hmm under my safari settings there seems to be no extensions there. 
>> Well, guess that would explain why it doesn't show me anything.
>> 
>> As for the apt store problem. He's logged out of ICloud, ITunes, the apt 
>> store, everything that uses an apple ID. Then he signed back in with his 
>> apple ID information and as soon as he goes to update the mac at the apt 
>> store it reverts back to the old apple ID.
>> 
>> 50 days
>> May and Leader Dog . . .
>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> First, when you say you've logged out, is that in the iCloud part of System 
>>> Preferences? If not, give that a try.
>>> 
>>> As to videos, they might actually be there. Find the frame containing the 
>>> video, and interact; Mavericks might be stopping the Flash plugin from 
>>> loading, presenting a button with a label about power saving instead. Click 
>>> that button and the video should load right up. If not, go to Safari's 
>>> preferences, then extensions, and be sure Flash is enabled.
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:49 PM, May McDonald Homuth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 Good day all.
 
 First a question for a friend of mine. I asked this a few days ago and was 
 suggested to check ICloud to see if that would help fix the problem my 
 friend is having. Sorry, it was no luck. The problem is whenever he goes 
 to the mac apt store to update instead of staying logged in with his apple 
 ID it keeps going back to the original person that had the mac. Is there a 
 way to fix this or do they need to complete clear the mac and start over 
 with just their apple ID? They've tried logging out and back in, checked 
 ICloud, logged out of ITunes and back in and nothing seems to be working.
 
 Now the second question is for myself. Is there a certain plug in or 
 program I need on my mac to play videos that appear on sites such as 
 blogs? I thought flash player was what I needed, but Safari still won't 
 show me that videos are there and I know they are. Any help there would be 
 appreciated as well, thanks.
 
 50 days
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 www.canadianlynx.ca
 m...@canadianlynx.ca
 
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RE: questions

[Tristan Bussiere]

Hi May,

 

Regardless of signing out of iCloud in every place possible (app store,
iTunes store, system preferences, what have you), checking for updates in
the app store will use his ID because the Mac still has apps installed on it
that are tied to his account. Since the new Apple ID did not purchase these,
and the Mac can tell that it was a prior-used Apple ID, it will try using
that instead.

 

Here are two solutions that are not as drastic as having to do a clean
install:

1.   Find out which apps are tied into the Apple ID that continually
reappears. Once you have a comprehensive list, go to applications
(command+shift+A from the finder), then delete each app that is tied into
the older, misbehaving ID.

2.   Repurchase the apps from the App Store if you find them to be an
absolute necessity. Make sure you're signed into the preferred ID in the App
Store before you do this.

 

 

Again, it does not matter what your settings state; OS X will always revert
your app store to use the different ID if you try to update apps that are
connected to a different account.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Best regards,

Tristan

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:14 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: questions

 

Every app, yes, but has he logged out in System Preferences > iCloud? That's
the main place for it. Also, any apps he has installed that are left from
the previous owner will belong to that previous owner, and so will need that
password to update. He can just re-install them under his ID to fix that.
For system updates, the same thing allies - the previous owner ran the
install of the OS, I imagine, so updates will be under that old account.
Changing the iCloud account in System Preferences may help this too, but I'm
not sure. Generally, when someone gives/sells you a computer, the first
thing you do is a clean install, but it sounds like that didn't happen in
this case.

On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:05 PM, May mailto:mcdonald@gmail.com> > wrote:





Oh, hmm under my safari settings there seems to be no extensions there.
Well, guess that would explain why it doesn't show me anything.

As for the apt store problem. He's logged out of ICloud, ITunes, the apt
store, everything that uses an apple ID. Then he signed back in with his
apple ID information and as soon as he goes to update the mac at the apt
store it reverts back to the old apple ID.

50 days
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On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Alex Hall mailto:mehg...@icloud.com> > wrote:




First, when you say you've logged out, is that in the iCloud part of System
Preferences? If not, give that a try.

As to videos, they might actually be there. Find the frame containing the
video, and interact; Mavericks might be stopping the Flash plugin from
loading, presenting a button with a label about power saving instead. Click
that button and the video should load right up. If not, go to Safari's
preferences, then extensions, and be sure Flash is enabled.
On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:49 PM, May McDonald Homuth mailto:m...@canadianlynx.ca> > wrote:




Good day all.

First a question for a friend of mine. I asked this a few days ago and was
suggested to check ICloud to see if that would help fix the problem my
friend is having. Sorry, it was no luck. The problem is whenever he goes to
the mac apt store to update instead of staying logged in with his apple ID
it keeps going back to the original person that had the mac. Is there a way
to fix this or do they need to complete clear the mac and start over with
just their apple ID? They've tried logging out and back in, checked ICloud,
logged out of ITunes and back in and nothing seems to be working.

Now the second question is for myself. Is there a certain plug in or program
I need on my mac to play videos that appear on sites such as blogs? I
thought flash player was what I needed, but Safari still won't show me that
videos are there and I know they are. Any help there would be appreciated as
well, thanks.

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Re: questions

[May]

*smiles* thanks, I'll have him check that as well. If that's the case that it's 
pulling from an old apt, it actually may be the OS that it's using. Thanks 
again.

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On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:

> Hi May,
>  
> Regardless of signing out of iCloud in every place possible (app store, 
> iTunes store, system preferences, what have you), checking for updates in the 
> app store will use his ID because the Mac still has apps installed on it that 
> are tied to his account. Since the new Apple ID did not purchase these, and 
> the Mac can tell that it was a prior-used Apple ID, it will try using that 
> instead.
>  
> Here are two solutions that are not as drastic as having to do a clean 
> install:
> 1.   Find out which apps are tied into the Apple ID that continually 
> reappears. Once you have a comprehensive list, go to applications 
> (command+shift+A from the finder), then delete each app that is tied into the 
> older, misbehaving ID.
> 2.   Repurchase the apps from the App Store if you find them to be an 
> absolute necessity. Make sure you're signed into the preferred ID in the App 
> Store before you do this.
>  
>  
> Again, it does not matter what your settings state; OS X will always revert 
> your app store to use the different ID if you try to update apps that are 
> connected to a different account.
>  
> Hope this helps.
>  
> Best regards,
> Tristan
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:14 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: questions
>  
> Every app, yes, but has he logged out in System Preferences > iCloud? That's 
> the main place for it. Also, any apps he has installed that are left from the 
> previous owner will belong to that previous owner, and so will need that 
> password to update. He can just re-install them under his ID to fix that. For 
> system updates, the same thing allies - the previous owner ran the install of 
> the OS, I imagine, so updates will be under that old account. Changing the 
> iCloud account in System Preferences may help this too, but I'm not sure. 
> Generally, when someone gives/sells you a computer, the first thing you do is 
> a clean install, but it sounds like that didn't happen in this case.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:05 PM, May  wrote:
> 
> 
> Oh, hmm under my safari settings there seems to be no extensions there. Well, 
> guess that would explain why it doesn't show me anything.
> 
> As for the apt store problem. He's logged out of ICloud, ITunes, the apt 
> store, everything that uses an apple ID. Then he signed back in with his 
> apple ID information and as soon as he goes to update the mac at the apt 
> store it reverts back to the old apple ID.
> 
> 50 days
> May and Leader Dog . . .
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> 
> First, when you say you've logged out, is that in the iCloud part of System 
> Preferences? If not, give that a try.
> 
> As to videos, they might actually be there. Find the frame containing the 
> video, and interact; Mavericks might be stopping the Flash plugin from 
> loading, presenting a button with a label about power saving instead. Click 
> that button and the video should load right up. If not, go to Safari's 
> preferences, then extensions, and be sure Flash is enabled.
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:49 PM, May McDonald Homuth  wrote:
> 
> 
> Good day all.
> 
> First a question for a friend of mine. I asked this a few days ago and was 
> suggested to check ICloud to see if that would help fix the problem my friend 
> is having. Sorry, it was no luck. The problem is whenever he goes to the mac 
> apt store to update instead of staying logged in with his apple ID it keeps 
> going back to the original person that had the mac. Is there a way to fix 
> this or do they need to complete clear the mac and start over with just their 
> apple ID? They've tried logging out and back in, checked ICloud, logged out 
> of ITunes and back in and nothing seems to be working.
> 
> Now the second question is for myself. Is there a certain plug in or program 
> I need on my mac to play videos that appear on sites such as blogs? I thought 
> flash player was what I needed, but Safari still won't show me that videos 
> are there and I know they are. Any help there would be appreciated as well, 
> thanks.
> 
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installing from a flash drive

[May McDonald Homuth]

You know when you delete a thread cause you don't need it, it is exactly when a 
person will come along and ask, how do I?

Sorry, I know this topic has come up and I need step by step easy instructions 
to pass along to a friend of mine. How to reformat the mac and then have it 
install the OS from a flash drive?

Oh and when they start over and put in their apple ID will it yell at them if 
they've never actually purchased mavericks under their ID?

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looks like Flip for Mac is no longer free

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hi there,

I just got an alert to update my copy of Flip for Mac.  I went to upgrade to 
version 3.3 and found that apparently, there is no upgrade for free option 
anymore.  Now, you have to pay for even the basic version.  Anybody else 
noticed this?


Sincerely,
the Constantly Barefooted Ray, Still a very happy Mac and iphone user!
Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
built-in!

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Accessibility of the Apogee software

[Vic]

Hello.
Apologies for the cross-post.
Is anyone here on the list using any of the Apogee sound cards on the Mac?
I was curious if their control panel software, or whatever software they 
use, is accessible with VoiceOver?
I am slowly getting tired of not being able to control all of the 
parameters of my fablous Saffire Pro 24 and the manufacturer doesn't seem 
to be in a hurry to make their software accessible.
Thanks for any advice.
Best,
Victor

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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Cheryl Homiak]

I'm not absolutely sure you can. My first comment wasn't about resizing in 
particular but was in response to the statement about partitioning with 
voiceover being useless (not exact quote). I do know that one can partition 
with disk utility doing vo because I've done that many times. My second comment 
was trying to emphasize that if you are trying to write in the sizes and disk 
utility doesn't accept your sizes, it means you are not probaby getting sizes 
exact enough for disk utility to process as valid at least in the sizer. I'm 
thinking you may either have to find a way to get them more exact or find a way 
to drag that resizing control which is apparently how it is supposed to work at 
least for the sighted user. I would like to do some experimenting with it but I 
can't right now because I don't want to accidentally resize one of my 
partitions but I do plan to work on this in the future.  

> -- 
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> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears! 
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 


> On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Fair enough, I guess I can see that. The question then becomes: how do you 
> use the resize control? I interact with it, but can't do anything past that. 
> Is there a special command to use this?
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>> What I think you may not be understanding is that by writing in an amount 
>> instead of just working the resizer you usually aren't going to get the 
>> exact fraction needed for resizing so you are going to get an error and/or a 
>> different size than you thought you requested. This isn't a matter of DU 
>> falling down with voiceover as far as I can see.
>> 
>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure why DU is forcing such a small value.  You ought to be able to 
>>> specify any size up to a maximum for each partition such that they all 
>>> occupy all of the space of the entire disk.  This is really where DU just 
>>> falls down, as far as VO support is concerned.
>>> 
>>> You're correct that about 51GB is in use by the entire partition; that's 
>>> what your diskutil output shows.
>>> 
>>> The process is non-destructive (hopefully ...) and the space right now is 
>>> between your primary partition and the recovery area; it's unusable while 
>>> it's unpartitioned space.  The worst that is likely to happen is that 
>>> you'll be told why you can't resize.
>>> 
>>> In the command that I gave you, replace "70%" with "45G" (no quotes) to get 
>>> what you are asking for exactly.
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
I would love it if you could put the steps down for resizing or anything to do 
with partitioning in voice-over.
I have done some of it with external drives but internal is no go.
thanks

Michael
On 27 Jul 2014, at 6:23 am, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> I have to comment here that partitioning with voiceover is most certainly NOT 
> useless. I do it all the time with external drives and have done it with my 
> internal drive on occasion. I don't have time right now to write more, but it 
> involves how you interact and tab; it might be a bit challenging but it isn't 
> at all undoable with voiceover. It's much more tricky if you are resizing 
> though because (1) you can't resize in such a way to make your partition that 
> already has data on it too small to hold the data any more; (2) if you try to 
> resize and put in a text value this often won't be the exact figure that you 
> really need for resizing; and (3) if you actually have free space that isn't 
> even partitioned somewhere this makes it more complicated yet. However, it 
> definitely is possible to partition using voiceover and it gets easier the 
> more you do it. This includes writing your names in the title text fields too.
> 
> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> Partitioning with voice-over is useless. i think a lot more could be done to 
>> make the panels more accessible. take the resize control
>> On 26 Jul 2014, at 10:28 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> I made sure to select the proper partition from the scroll area, and the 
>>> size did show up. The thing it, any value I enter in the size text field is 
>>> replaced by 8.34 no matter what. VO indicates that, in the scroll area, 
>>> there is a "resize control", but I can't figure out how that is supposed to 
>>> work. The options button is also dimmed for no apparent reason.
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 1:32 AM, Barry Hadder  wrote:
>>> 
 Sounds like you don't have the partition in question selected.
 Interact with the scroll area containing the partitions and vo-space on 
 the one you want.  Then all the things you want should be enabled.
 Also note that unless it has been fixed, the installation does something 
 strange to an existing partitioning scheme.  After the install, all of 
 your partitions may be contained in a logical partition of the same name 
 as the Yosemite.  Not to worry however as erasing the Yosemite partition 
 will put everything back to normal.  At least that has been my experience.
 
 On Jul 25, 2014, at 11:31 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I'm trying to test Yosemite, and I've been running it off an old thumb 
 drive. Needless to say, I've hit serious lag issues that practically 
 prevent me from using the system. I'd like to partition my (admittedly 
 small) internal disk instead, so I've moved my Windows VM off for now, 
 leaving me with what Finder tells me is about 19GB free.
 
 I opened up Disk utility and selected my internal disk, then hit the 
 Partition tab, then Add. I did this same thing to the afore mentioned 
 thumb drive, and it was a snap. Now, trying to do this on my internal 
 disk, I'm getting odd behavior.
 
 * Despite having almost 19GB available, the new partition is stuck at 
 8.34GB and I can't change it. When I type a new size, it automatically 
 reverts to 8.34 seconds later.
 * I can't open the options to check my table is correct because the button 
 is dimmed.
 * I can't find a place to name the new partition.
 * The number of partitions (the popup menu) is dimmed. This is not a 
 problem since the add/remove buttons work, but it was not dimmed when I 
 partitioned my thumb drive.
 
 What am I missing? Do I need to shrink the existing partition? If so, I 
 don't know that I can - I tried, but that seemed to make no difference. I 
 don't know why this is so much harder than that thumb drive, but it's 
 giving me no end of trouble for some reason. Can anyone offer any help? 
 Thanks!
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
the main problem with DU is that even when you highlight the correct drive that 
you want to work on all of the partition buttons are grade out. In recovery 
mode or even another bootable install it just does not work for me at the 
moment. I have tried everything under the sun and its only through some pro 
dumb luck that i now have two partitions.
i have a 2.4TB partition which the Mac operating system is installed on and a 
900GB partition with nothing on it. I want to somehow get that 900 GB back to 
the first partition but can't make it happen.
On 27 Jul 2014, at 7:33 am, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> What I think you may not be understanding is that by writing in an amount 
> instead of just working the resizer you usually aren't going to get the exact 
> fraction needed for resizing so you are going to get an error and/or a 
> different size than you thought you requested. This isn't a matter of DU 
> falling down with voiceover as far as I can see.
> 
> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
>> I'm not sure why DU is forcing such a small value.  You ought to be able to 
>> specify any size up to a maximum for each partition such that they all 
>> occupy all of the space of the entire disk.  This is really where DU just 
>> falls down, as far as VO support is concerned.
>> 
>> You're correct that about 51GB is in use by the entire partition; that's 
>> what your diskutil output shows.
>> 
>> The process is non-destructive (hopefully ...) and the space right now is 
>> between your primary partition and the recovery area; it's unusable while 
>> it's unpartitioned space.  The worst that is likely to happen is that you'll 
>> be told why you can't resize.
>> 
>> In the command that I gave you, replace "70%" with "45G" (no quotes) to get 
>> what you are asking for exactly.
>> 
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Michael Marshall]

If you use the re-size control all that voice-over will say is content is empty 
and you can't do anything.
On 27 Jul 2014, at 7:54 am, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Fair enough, I guess I can see that. The question then becomes: how do you 
> use the resize control? I interact with it, but can't do anything past that. 
> Is there a special command to use this?
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
>> What I think you may not be understanding is that by writing in an amount 
>> instead of just working the resizer you usually aren't going to get the 
>> exact fraction needed for resizing so you are going to get an error and/or a 
>> different size than you thought you requested. This isn't a matter of DU 
>> falling down with voiceover as far as I can see.
>> 
>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl 
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm not sure why DU is forcing such a small value.  You ought to be able to 
>>> specify any size up to a maximum for each partition such that they all 
>>> occupy all of the space of the entire disk.  This is really where DU just 
>>> falls down, as far as VO support is concerned.
>>> 
>>> You're correct that about 51GB is in use by the entire partition; that's 
>>> what your diskutil output shows.
>>> 
>>> The process is non-destructive (hopefully ...) and the space right now is 
>>> between your primary partition and the recovery area; it's unusable while 
>>> it's unpartitioned space.  The worst that is likely to happen is that 
>>> you'll be told why you can't resize.
>>> 
>>> In the command that I gave you, replace "70%" with "45G" (no quotes) to get 
>>> what you are asking for exactly.
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Cheryl Homiak]

First of all, make sure you are highlighting a disk and not a partition when 
you are going to partition. Secondly, if you are partitioning and not resizing, 
you need to choose a partition scheme and don't leave it on "current". Thirdly, 
there's a way you have to interact with the scroll area and then tab one or 
more times and stop interacting to see which partition you are working on. I 
don't know if any of these are your problem but I know these were difficulties 
I ran into while learning to partition and I remember that what I got right 
seemed like luck to me at first because I made it work but didn't understand 
how I had done it. I can do it reliably now but am not sure how good I'd be at 
explaining it unless I could do it step by step and write down my explanation 
while doing it.


> -- 
> Cheryl 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears! 
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)


> On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey,
> the main problem with DU is that even when you highlight the correct drive 
> that you want to work on all of the partition buttons are grade out. In 
> recovery mode or even another bootable install it just does not work for me 
> at the moment. I have tried everything under the sun and its only through 
> some pro dumb luck that i now have two partitions.
> i have a 2.4TB partition which the Mac operating system is installed on and a 
> 900GB partition with nothing on it. I want to somehow get that 900 GB back to 
> the first partition but can’t make it happen.
>> On 27 Jul 2014, at 7:33 am, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>> What I think you may not be understanding is that by writing in an amount 
>> instead of just working the resizer you usually aren't going to get the 
>> exact fraction needed for resizing so you are going to get an error and/or a 
>> different size than you thought you requested. This isn't a matter of DU 
>> falling down with voiceover as far as I can see.
>> 
>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Cheryl 
>>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>>> And now, every day:
>>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>>> his mercies never come to an end;
>>> they are new every morning;
>>> great is your faithfulness."
>>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure why DU is forcing such a small value.  You ought to be able to 
>>> specify any size up to a maximum for each partition such that they all 
>>> occupy all of the space of the entire disk.  This is really where DU just 
>>> falls down, as far as VO support is concerned.
>>> 
>>> You're correct that about 51GB is in use by the entire partition; that's 
>>> what your diskutil output shows.
>>> 
>>> The process is non-destructive (hopefully ...) and the space right now is 
>>> between your primary partition and the recovery area; it's unusable while 
>>> it's unpartitioned space.  The worst that is likely to happen is that 
>>> you'll be told why you can't resize.
>>> 
>>> In the command that I gave you, replace "70%" with "45G" (no quotes) to get 
>>> what you are asking for exactly.
>>> 
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Re: Partitioning MBA Disk Not Going Well

[Michael Marshall]

hey,
even if you think something is something is highlighted you cannot change the 
partition scheme that current button is always grade out.
if you ever figure out a way to do it step by step and send instructions I 
would be most grateful to you.
thanks

Michael.
On 27 Jul 2014, at 2:47 pm, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

> First of all, make sure you are highlighting a disk and not a partition when 
> you are going to partition. Secondly, if you are partitioning and not 
> resizing, you need to choose a partition scheme and don't leave it on 
> "current". Thirdly, there's a way you have to interact with the scroll area 
> and then tab one or more times and stop interacting to see which partition 
> you are working on. I don't know if any of these are your problem but I know 
> these were difficulties I ran into while learning to partition and I remember 
> that what I got right seemed like luck to me at first because I made it work 
> but didn't understand how I had done it. I can do it reliably now but am not 
> sure how good I'd be at explaining it unless I could do it step by step and 
> write down my explanation while doing it.
> 
> 
>> -- 
>> Cheryl 
>> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
>> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
>> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
>> His joy for my despairing tears! 
>> And now, every day:
>> "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
>> The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
>> his mercies never come to an end;
>> they are new every morning;
>> great is your faithfulness."
>> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
>> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
>> hey,
>> the main problem with DU is that even when you highlight the correct drive 
>> that you want to work on all of the partition buttons are grade out. In 
>> recovery mode or even another bootable install it just does not work for me 
>> at the moment. I have tried everything under the sun and its only through 
>> some pro dumb luck that i now have two partitions.
>> i have a 2.4TB partition which the Mac operating system is installed on and 
>> a 900GB partition with nothing on it. I want to somehow get that 900 GB back 
>> to the first partition but can't make it happen.
>> On 27 Jul 2014, at 7:33 am, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
>> 
>>> What I think you may not be understanding is that by writing in an amount 
>>> instead of just working the resizer you usually aren't going to get the 
>>> exact fraction needed for resizing so you are going to get an error and/or 
>>> a different size than you thought you requested. This isn't a matter of DU 
>>> falling down with voiceover as far as I can see.
>>> 
>>> 
 -- 
 Cheryl 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper thrown in the trash! 
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears! 
 And now, every day:
 "This I call to mind, and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness."
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 3:30 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm not sure why DU is forcing such a small value.  You ought to be able 
 to specify any size up to a maximum for each partition such that they all 
 occupy all of the space of the entire disk.  This is really where DU just 
 falls down, as far as VO support is concerned.
 
 You're correct that about 51GB is in use by the entire partition; that's 
 what your diskutil output shows.
 
 The process is non-destructive (hopefully ...) and the space right now is 
 between your primary partition and the recovery area; it's unusable while 
 it's unpartitioned space.  The worst that is likely to happen is that 
 you'll be told why you can't resize.
 
 In the command that I gave you, replace "70%" with "45G" (no quotes) to 
 get what you are asking for exactly.
 
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Re: questions

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yes, but if your friend is trying to update the entire OS, wouldn't that still 
revert back to the old Apple ID? Just out of curiosity of course.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:38 PM, May  wrote:
> 
> *smiles* thanks, I'll have him check that as well. If that's the case that 
> it's pulling from an old apt, it actually may be the OS that it's using. 
> Thanks again.
> 
> 50 days
> May and Leader Dog . . .
> www.canadianlynx.ca
> 
> On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Tristan Bussiere  wrote:
> 
>> Hi May,
>> 
>> Regardless of signing out of iCloud in every place possible (app store, 
>> iTunes store, system preferences, what have you), checking for updates in 
>> the app store will use his ID because the Mac still has apps installed on it 
>> that are tied to his account. Since the new Apple ID did not purchase these, 
>> and the Mac can tell that it was a prior-used Apple ID, it will try using 
>> that instead.
>> 
>> Here are two solutions that are not as drastic as having to do a clean 
>> install:
>> 1.   Find out which apps are tied into the Apple ID that continually 
>> reappears. Once you have a comprehensive list, go to applications 
>> (command+shift+A from the finder), then delete each app that is tied into 
>> the older, misbehaving ID.
>> 2.   Repurchase the apps from the App Store if you find them to be an 
>> absolute necessity. Make sure you're signed into the preferred ID in the App 
>> Store before you do this.
>> 
>> 
>> Again, it does not matter what your settings state; OS X will always revert 
>> your app store to use the different ID if you try to update apps that are 
>> connected to a different account.
>> 
>> Hope this helps.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Tristan
>> 
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Alex Hall
>> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:14 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: questions
>> 
>> Every app, yes, but has he logged out in System Preferences > iCloud? That's 
>> the main place for it. Also, any apps he has installed that are left from 
>> the previous owner will belong to that previous owner, and so will need that 
>> password to update. He can just re-install them under his ID to fix that. 
>> For system updates, the same thing allies - the previous owner ran the 
>> install of the OS, I imagine, so updates will be under that old account. 
>> Changing the iCloud account in System Preferences may help this too, but I'm 
>> not sure. Generally, when someone gives/sells you a computer, the first 
>> thing you do is a clean install, but it sounds like that didn't happen in 
>> this case.
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:05 PM, May  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Oh, hmm under my safari settings there seems to be no extensions there. 
>> Well, guess that would explain why it doesn't show me anything.
>> 
>> As for the apt store problem. He's logged out of ICloud, ITunes, the apt 
>> store, everything that uses an apple ID. Then he signed back in with his 
>> apple ID information and as soon as he goes to update the mac at the apt 
>> store it reverts back to the old apple ID.
>> 
>> 50 days
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>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> First, when you say you've logged out, is that in the iCloud part of System 
>> Preferences? If not, give that a try.
>> 
>> As to videos, they might actually be there. Find the frame containing the 
>> video, and interact; Mavericks might be stopping the Flash plugin from 
>> loading, presenting a button with a label about power saving instead. Click 
>> that button and the video should load right up. If not, go to Safari's 
>> preferences, then extensions, and be sure Flash is enabled.
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 5:49 PM, May McDonald Homuth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Good day all.
>> 
>> First a question for a friend of mine. I asked this a few days ago and was 
>> suggested to check ICloud to see if that would help fix the problem my 
>> friend is having. Sorry, it was no luck. The problem is whenever he goes to 
>> the mac apt store to update instead of staying logged in with his apple ID 
>> it keeps going back to the original person that had the mac. Is there a way 
>> to fix this or do they need to complete clear the mac and start over with 
>> just their apple ID? They've tried logging out and back in, checked ICloud, 
>> logged out of ITunes and back in and nothing seems to be working.
>> 
>> Now the second question is for myself. Is there a certain plug in or program 
>> I need on my mac to play videos that appear on sites such as blogs? I 
>> thought flash player was what I needed, but Safari still won't show me that 
>> videos are there and I know they are. Any help there would be appreciated as 
>> well, thanks.
>> 
>> 50 days
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Re: installing from a flash drive

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Hi May. If this friend is the same person you're talking about that has the Mac 
that reverts back to the old apple ID the person previously had set up, you may 
have a problem. In any event, I will tell you how I created a bootable 
installer of OS X using a flash drive. First, I googled an app called Disk 
Maker X and installed it on my Mac. When I launched it though, it wasn't really 
accessible, and I don't know if that has changed. If so, once you've downloaded 
the version of OS X you want, don't install it, just launch disk maker X and 
make the bootable drive. Note that it has to be at least an 8 GB drive and has 
to be formatted.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

> On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:13 PM, May McDonald Homuth  wrote:
> 
> You know when you delete a thread cause you don't need it, it is exactly when 
> a person will come along and ask, how do I?
> 
> Sorry, I know this topic has come up and I need step by step easy 
> instructions to pass along to a friend of mine. How to reformat the mac and 
> then have it install the OS from a flash drive?
> 
> Oh and when they start over and put in their apple ID will it yell at them if 
> they've never actually purchased mavericks under their ID?
> 
> 50 days
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Re: installing from a flash drive

[May]

Yep, it's the same person. I also figured there would be a problem, but was 
hoping for not, lol.

i'm assuming that re-installing would also be a bad idea?

49 days
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On Jul 27, 2014, at 2:14 AM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

> Hi May. If this friend is the same person you're talking about that has the 
> Mac that reverts back to the old apple ID the person previously had set up, 
> you may have a problem. In any event, I will tell you how I created a 
> bootable installer of OS X using a flash drive. First, I googled an app 
> called Disk Maker X and installed it on my Mac. When I launched it though, it 
> wasn't really accessible, and I don't know if that has changed. If so, once 
> you've downloaded the version of OS X you want, don't install it, just launch 
> disk maker X and make the bootable drive. Note that it has to be at least an 
> 8 GB drive and has to be formatted.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent From My White MacBook
> 
>> On Jul 26, 2014, at 6:13 PM, May McDonald Homuth  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> You know when you delete a thread cause you don't need it, it is exactly 
>> when a person will come along and ask, how do I?
>> 
>> Sorry, I know this topic has come up and I need step by step easy 
>> instructions to pass along to a friend of mine. How to reformat the mac and 
>> then have it install the OS from a flash drive?
>> 
>> Oh and when they start over and put in their apple ID will it yell at them 
>> if they've never actually purchased mavericks under their ID?
>> 
>> 50 days
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>> www.canadianlynx.ca
>> m...@canadianlynx.ca
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