A lovely feature of mail and voiceover

2014-04-27 Thread Devin Prater
So I read my email frequently. I have an iPod 5 running ios 7.1.1. In the mail 
app, when I open a message, it usually reads the message right away. If not, 
all I have to do is flick up with two fingers or press VO-B and it reads the 
message starting at the beginning automatically. Even if I'm at the end of the 
screen at the compose button, it'll read the message. This is good when you're 
reading threads, and you delete while inside the message to go to the next one.

Devin Prater
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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there
Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does not mean 
that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because my focus 14 blue 
is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in the focus 14 blue manual. 
The focus, at least in my manual, never says a word about voiceover except for 
the iPhone. However, my display is listed under its manufacturer in the 
voiceover manual for the Macintosh for supported Braille displays. So, you 
might look in the Getting Started with VoiceOver in Apple's website and see if 
it's on the list. You first look under the manufacturer, and then it has the 
displays under that manufacturer that are supported. 

In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does not exist 
almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they immediately tell you to 
call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of course, which is under Windows. 
Since there are about 40 braille displays listed under supported braille 
displays on Apple's website, I would be surprised if yours wasn't listed there. 
I was most impressed to see the braille displays listed there, some of which I 
never heard of before.  

Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get braille? If 
you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and it's on the list 
somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes those displays that are 
on the list of supported braille displays. I don't think you would see braille 
on your display if you are able to get braille on it without going through more 
complicated connections. I hope what I just said makes sense. 


Regards, 
Gigi 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> nope, i dont think i can't type on my display braille, i have the manual for 
> my display braille but in the manual there's no instruction how to use it on 
> the mac,. my mom read it for me, and there's all instruction to use this 
> display braille for all screen reader except for voice over, 
>> Il giorno 27/apr/2014, alle ore 12:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  
>> ha scritto:
>> 
>> Hi there
>> I am not sure if I made my question clear. You know, all Braille displays 
>> have buttons on them so that you can move the Braille back-and-forth. Does 
>> your Braille display let you type Braille on it? That is what I meant by 
>> input keys. If your Braille display will let you type input Braille, then 
>> you can use some commands that are listed in the VoiceOver manual. Also, do 
>> you have the manual for your braille display? If you do, a lot of them have 
>> listed commands for using them with screen readers. Mine has a section for 
>> iOS devices like iPhones, Macintosh commands, and Windows commands.
>> Sincerely,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> actually i dont know, but theres a lot of buttons on the top of my display 
>>> braille,, maybe i should try evertything because in the manual there's no 
>>> instruction how to use it on voice over
 Il giorno 25/apr/2014, alle ore 02:46 PM, Eugenia Firth  
 ha scritto:
 
 Hi there
 Does your Braille display haven't put keys? If it does, you can press the 
 space bar with the S letter and get to the menu. You also might be able to 
 set up a key command in the VoiceOver utility. There are some Braille 
 commands that apply to Braille displays in particular, no matter which one 
 they are. There are some that are unique to a particular display, like 
 mine has some special keys that do different things.
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 24, 2014, at 10:39 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>  wrote:
> 
> can somebody help me with my display braille, on my mail, can i open it 
> on my display braille? or can i quit an application using my display 
> braille? this is my first display braille, the name was touch me 5 by 
> nippon telesoft
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Re: Shortcut to Speak Word Count in Any application | Here's How It's Done

2014-04-27 Thread Daniela Rubio
Hi, I deleted the script ... can somebody send it again please? Thanks!

Daniela Rubio T



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Re: The Amazon App for IOS

2014-04-27 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there 
I got the app on my iPhone and took it off because although I could read the 
listing of items, if you make the mistake of going to read the recipes, you 
can't get back to the items listing. My husband could do it without VoiceOver, 
but no way could I figure out how to get out of the recipe of how to prepare 
the item so that I could shop some more. I have a friend using Windows who 
claims that the Amazon site is fully accessible, but I found it a little 
awkward on my Mac. When I called and was referred to their technical people, I 
never received a phone call back from them. I was also very disappointed to 
find out that they don't have braille catalogs any more either. She said she 
could read me things, but no way did I want to sit on the phone with a reader 
since I know little about their products. I noticed that even though the 
customer service lady offered to read things, she sure didn't push it; I don't 
she wanted to do it anyway. Somebody said yesterday that he was planning to 
make some brf files of their products. That would be a definite plus. 

Regards, 
Gigi 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 26, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
> 
> I don't use the IPhone app much so can't remember if it does that or not, but 
> I've had that issue on the Mac which I reported to customer service but must 
> have talked to the wrong department sense obviously nothing's changed.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> I don't know how many people use the Amazon app on their I phones, but ever 
>> since the new IOS, I have difficulty using the Amazon app as I think things 
>> move on it.  Is that so?  I actually find even on Youplayer things seem to 
>> move as the screen always refreshes on the I phone and perhaps thinking 
>> about it, this is happening on Amazon as well.  Thoughts anyone, does anyone 
>> else find the Amazon app difficult?
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Shortcut to Speak Word Count in Any application | Here's How It's Done

2014-04-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
You can get it here.
Best,
Nic

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Re: Shortcut to Speak Word Count in Any application | Here's How It's Done

2014-04-27 Thread Daniela Rubio
Thanks!
 I will give it a try.

Daniela Rubio T



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Re: internet problems again on mac book pro

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
ok, so how can i delete the other connections, i cant press cmd delete

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Re: Shortcut to Speak Word Count in Any application | Here's How It's Done

2014-04-27 Thread Phil Halton
Nic, where are you getting your applesript training materials? I'd like to get 
back into programming and could use some good training sources for AppleScript, 
which looks like it'd be fairly easy to use once the syntax is understood.
I've looked around in the Applescript editor's help system and that's a good 
source, but I'm always looking for more and better...
thanks
 
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Re: internet problems again on mac book pro

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
and i notice that when i open my computer i dont have a wifi signal. i have to 
wait for 1 or 2 minutes or i have to reconnect the wifi
On 27 Apr 2014, at 02:10 pm, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

> ok, so how can i delete the other connections, i cant press cmd delete

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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to navigate 
things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille then i have to 
assign some commands?
On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there
> Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does not mean 
> that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because my focus 14 
> blue is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in the focus 14 blue 
> manual. The focus, at least in my manual, never says a word about voiceover 
> except for the iPhone. However, my display is listed under its manufacturer 
> in the voiceover manual for the Macintosh for supported Braille displays. So, 
> you might look in the Getting Started with VoiceOver in Apple's website and 
> see if it's on the list. You first look under the manufacturer, and then it 
> has the displays under that manufacturer that are supported. 
> 
> In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does not 
> exist almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they immediately tell 
> you to call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of course, which is under 
> Windows. Since there are about 40 braille displays listed under supported 
> braille displays on Apple's website, I would be surprised if yours wasn't 
> listed there. I was most impressed to see the braille displays listed there, 
> some of which I never heard of before.  
> 
> Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get braille? 
> If you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and it's on the list 
> somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes those displays that are 
> on the list of supported braille displays. I don't think you would see 
> braille on your display if you are able to get braille on it without going 
> through more complicated connections. I hope what I just said makes sense. 
> 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> nope, i dont think i can't type on my display braille, i have the manual for 
>> my display braille but in the manual there's no instruction how to use it on 
>> the mac,. my mom read it for me, and there's all instruction to use this 
>> display braille for all screen reader except for voice over, 
>>> Il giorno 27/apr/2014, alle ore 12:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  
>>> ha scritto:
>>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> I am not sure if I made my question clear. You know, all Braille displays 
>>> have buttons on them so that you can move the Braille back-and-forth. Does 
>>> your Braille display let you type Braille on it? That is what I meant by 
>>> input keys. If your Braille display will let you type input Braille, then 
>>> you can use some commands that are listed in the VoiceOver manual. Also, do 
>>> you have the manual for your braille display? If you do, a lot of them have 
>>> listed commands for using them with screen readers. Mine has a section for 
>>> iOS devices like iPhones, Macintosh commands, and Windows commands.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
 actually i dont know, but theres a lot of buttons on the top of my display 
 braille,, maybe i should try evertything because in the manual there's no 
 instruction how to use it on voice over
> Il giorno 25/apr/2014, alle ore 02:46 PM, Eugenia Firth 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Hi there
> Does your Braille display haven't put keys? If it does, you can press the 
> space bar with the S letter and get to the menu. You also might be able 
> to set up a key command in the VoiceOver utility. There are some Braille 
> commands that apply to Braille displays in particular, no matter which 
> one they are. There are some that are unique to a particular display, 
> like mine has some special keys that do different things.
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2014, at 10:39 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> can somebody help me with my display braille, on my mail, can i open it 
>> on my display braille? or can i quit an application using my display 
>> braille? this is my first display braille, the name was touch me 5 by 
>> nippon telesoft
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Re: Internet Recovery on MBP 13

2014-04-27 Thread Tom Moore
Hi guys,
A few weeks ago I ran the internet recovery option on my mac and it worked ok 
up to the point to where I had to sign into the Apple store to download the os.
When this happened the installer froze up and I could not continue.
A while back I know someone offered up instructions for getting around this 
problem but I have lost them.
In my case I had a usb stick with the installer so I was able to get around 
this issue but if the recovery partition doesn't have the installer you will 
have a problem.
The command for running the installer when you have your mac hooked directly to 
the network is command r while booting.
What you do is wait about 2 or 3 minutes and then hit command f5 to start Voice 
Over.

Tom


> On Apr 25, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Daniel C  wrote:
> 
> I should've been more specific. When you hit command plus option plus are. 
> That's what I meant by Internet recovery.
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Loudness issues

2014-04-27 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi,

last year I bought a new MacBook Air mid 2013. Ever since I have a loudness 
issue with VO. It happens that VO sways in the loudness up and down. Sometimes 
it's fine for a while but then again it sways up and down. At first I suspected 
my computer. But then I heard this loudness swaying on other Macs as well. 

But: I only heard it on Macs using german voices. 

So what about you guys? Do you have such issues with your english voices? Or 
what about others who use non german language?

Thanks and all the best
Jürgen

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Re: Loudness issues

2014-04-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I am using an  English voice on my Mac, and so I have no such issues.

> On 27 Apr 2014, at 02:33 pm, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> last year I bought a new MacBook Air mid 2013. Ever since I have a loudness 
> issue with VO. It happens that VO sways in the loudness up and down. 
> Sometimes it's fine for a while but then again it sways up and down. At first 
> I suspected my computer. But then I heard this loudness swaying on other Macs 
> as well. 
> 
> But: I only heard it on Macs using german voices. 
> 
> So what about you guys? Do you have such issues with your english voices? Or 
> what about others who use non german language?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: Loudness issues

2014-04-27 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi there
That's interesting. I've never had that happen. My MacBook Pro is a 2011 Mac 
Book Pro and I wonder if that makes any difference.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:33 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> last year I bought a new MacBook Air mid 2013. Ever since I have a loudness 
> issue with VO. It happens that VO sways in the loudness up and down. 
> Sometimes it's fine for a while but then again it sways up and down. At first 
> I suspected my computer. But then I heard this loudness swaying on other Macs 
> as well. 
> 
> But: I only heard it on Macs using german voices. 
> 
> So what about you guys? Do you have such issues with your english voices? Or 
> what about others who use non german language?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Eugenia Firth
Hi again
You can't assign commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on your 
display. That was why I was asking you if you could write Braille on your 
display. Otherwise, all you would have the ability to do is to read braille on 
your braille display. It sounds like that your display is supported by voice 
over because otherwise you would've had to do more to make it work or maybe it 
wouldn't have worked it all. So it sounds like that you will need to use your 
computer keyboard to do everything like putting things in and use your Braille 
display toread braille on your programs such as text edit. In fact, text edit 
is the first program that I would recommend you start with to practice with 
your braille display. You may need to press command shift w in text edit so 
that when you get to the bottom of the first page your text will start on the 
next page.
Gigi

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> On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
> my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to 
> navigate things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille then i 
> have to assign some commands?
>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there
>> Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does not 
>> mean that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because my focus 
>> 14 blue is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in the focus 14 
>> blue manual. The focus, at least in my manual, never says a word about 
>> voiceover except for the iPhone. However, my display is listed under its 
>> manufacturer in the voiceover manual for the Macintosh for supported Braille 
>> displays. So, you might look in the Getting Started with VoiceOver in 
>> Apple's website and see if it's on the list. You first look under the 
>> manufacturer, and then it has the displays under that manufacturer that are 
>> supported. 
>> 
>> In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does not 
>> exist almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they immediately tell 
>> you to call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of course, which is under 
>> Windows. Since there are about 40 braille displays listed under supported 
>> braille displays on Apple's website, I would be surprised if yours wasn't 
>> listed there. I was most impressed to see the braille displays listed there, 
>> some of which I never heard of before.  
>> 
>> Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get braille? 
>> If you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and it's on the list 
>> somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes those displays that 
>> are on the list of supported braille displays. I don't think you would see 
>> braille on your display if you are able to get braille on it without going 
>> through more complicated connections. I hope what I just said makes sense. 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> nope, i dont think i can't type on my display braille, i have the manual 
>>> for my display braille but in the manual there's no instruction how to use 
>>> it on the mac,. my mom read it for me, and there's all instruction to use 
>>> this display braille for all screen reader except for voice over, 
 Il giorno 27/apr/2014, alle ore 12:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  
 ha scritto:
 
 Hi there
 I am not sure if I made my question clear. You know, all Braille displays 
 have buttons on them so that you can move the Braille back-and-forth. Does 
 your Braille display let you type Braille on it? That is what I meant by 
 input keys. If your Braille display will let you type input Braille, then 
 you can use some commands that are listed in the VoiceOver manual. Also, 
 do you have the manual for your braille display? If you do, a lot of them 
 have listed commands for using them with screen readers. Mine has a 
 section for iOS devices like iPhones, Macintosh commands, and Windows 
 commands.
 Sincerely,
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>  wrote:
> 
> actually i dont know, but theres a lot of buttons on the top of my 
> display braille,, maybe i should try evertything because in the manual 
> there's no instruction how to use it on voice over
>> Il giorno 25/apr/2014, alle ore 02:46 PM, Eugenia Firth 
>>  ha scritto:
>> 
>> Hi there
>> Does your Braille display haven't put keys? If it does, you can press 
>> the space bar with the S letter and get to the menu. You also might be 
>> able to set up a key command in the VoiceOver utility. There are some 
>> Braille commands that apply to Braille displays in particular, no matter 
>> which one they are. There are some that are unique to a particular 

Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Eugenia Firth
I forgot something. Although you can't assign Braille key commands unless you 
have the ability to write Braille on your display, you may be able to assign 
commands to your trackpad. I haven't done this, so someone else on this list 
will have to help you to do that if you want to do that.
Either that, or you may want to call that wonderful 877-204-3930 number. That 
is the Apple Accessibility number for blind and deaf customers.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi again
> You can't assign commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on 
> your display. That was why I was asking you if you could write Braille on 
> your display. Otherwise, all you would have the ability to do is to read 
> braille on your braille display. It sounds like that your display is 
> supported by voice over because otherwise you would've had to do more to make 
> it work or maybe it wouldn't have worked it all. So it sounds like that you 
> will need to use your computer keyboard to do everything like putting things 
> in and use your Braille display toread braille on your programs such as text 
> edit. In fact, text edit is the first program that I would recommend you 
> start with to practice with your braille display. You may need to press 
> command shift w in text edit so that when you get to the bottom of the first 
> page your text will start on the next page.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to 
>> navigate things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille then i 
>> have to assign some commands?
>>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does not 
>>> mean that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because my focus 
>>> 14 blue is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in the focus 14 
>>> blue manual. The focus, at least in my manual, never says a word about 
>>> voiceover except for the iPhone. However, my display is listed under its 
>>> manufacturer in the voiceover manual for the Macintosh for supported 
>>> Braille displays. So, you might look in the Getting Started with VoiceOver 
>>> in Apple's website and see if it's on the list. You first look under the 
>>> manufacturer, and then it has the displays under that manufacturer that are 
>>> supported. 
>>> 
>>> In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does not 
>>> exist almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they immediately tell 
>>> you to call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of course, which is under 
>>> Windows. Since there are about 40 braille displays listed under supported 
>>> braille displays on Apple's website, I would be surprised if yours wasn't 
>>> listed there. I was most impressed to see the braille displays listed 
>>> there, some of which I never heard of before.  
>>> 
>>> Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get 
>>> braille? If you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and it's on 
>>> the list somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes those 
>>> displays that are on the list of supported braille displays. I don't think 
>>> you would see braille on your display if you are able to get braille on it 
>>> without going through more complicated connections. I hope what I just said 
>>> makes sense. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
 nope, i dont think i can't type on my display braille, i have the manual 
 for my display braille but in the manual there's no instruction how to use 
 it on the mac,. my mom read it for me, and there's all instruction to use 
 this display braille for all screen reader except for voice over, 
> Il giorno 27/apr/2014, alle ore 12:49 AM, Eugenia Firth 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> Hi there
> I am not sure if I made my question clear. You know, all Braille displays 
> have buttons on them so that you can move the Braille back-and-forth. 
> Does your Braille display let you type Braille on it? That is what I 
> meant by input keys. If your Braille display will let you type input 
> Braille, then you can use some commands that are listed in the VoiceOver 
> manual. Also, do you have the manual for your braille display? If you do, 
> a lot of them have listed commands for using them with screen readers. 
> Mine has a section for iOS devices like iPhones, Macintosh commands, and 
> Windows commands.
> Sincerely,
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> actually i dont know, but theres a lot of buttons on the top of my 
>> dis

Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C
   This display appears not to have a keyuboard, its strictly a 
display. I think we need to leave this to someone who knows how to work 
this particular display to help the person. Itherwise we will all go on 
side trips that lead to nowhere.


Quote of the nanosecond . . .
If you surrender to the wind, you can ride it.
 --Toni Morrison
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

On 4/27/2014 6:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

I forgot something. Although you can't assign Braille key commands unless you 
have the ability to write Braille on your display, you may be able to assign 
commands to your trackpad. I haven't done this, so someone else on this list 
will have to help you to do that if you want to do that.
Either that, or you may want to call that wonderful 877-204-3930 number. That 
is the Apple Accessibility number for blind and deaf customers.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi again
You can't assign commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on your 
display. That was why I was asking you if you could write Braille on your 
display. Otherwise, all you would have the ability to do is to read braille on 
your braille display. It sounds like that your display is supported by voice 
over because otherwise you would've had to do more to make it work or maybe it 
wouldn't have worked it all. So it sounds like that you will need to use your 
computer keyboard to do everything like putting things in and use your Braille 
display toread braille on your programs such as text edit. In fact, text edit 
is the first program that I would recommend you start with to practice with 
your braille display. You may need to press command shift w in text edit so 
that when you get to the bottom of the first page your text will start on the 
next page.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to navigate 
things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille then i have to 
assign some commands?

On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi there
Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does not mean 
that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because my focus 14 blue 
is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in the focus 14 blue manual. 
The focus, at least in my manual, never says a word about voiceover except for 
the iPhone. However, my display is listed under its manufacturer in the 
voiceover manual for the Macintosh for supported Braille displays. So, you 
might look in the Getting Started with VoiceOver in Apple's website and see if 
it's on the list. You first look under the manufacturer, and then it has the 
displays under that manufacturer that are supported.

In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does not exist 
almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they immediately tell you to 
call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of course, which is under Windows. 
Since there are about 40 braille displays listed under supported braille 
displays on Apple's website, I would be surprised if yours wasn't listed there. 
I was most impressed to see the braille displays listed there, some of which I 
never heard of before.

Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get braille? If 
you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and it's on the list 
somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes those displays that are 
on the list of supported braille displays. I don't think you would see braille 
on your display if you are able to get braille on it without going through more 
complicated connections. I hope what I just said makes sense.


Regards,
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

nope, i dont think i can't type on my display braille, i have the manual for my 
display braille but in the manual there's no instruction how to use it on the 
mac,. my mom read it for me, and there's all instruction to use this display 
braille for all screen reader except for voice over,

Il giorno 27/apr/2014, alle ore 12:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  ha 
scritto:

Hi there
I am not sure if I made my question clear. You know, all Braille displays have 
buttons on them so that you can move the Braille back-and-forth. Does your 
Braille display let you type Braille on it? That is what I meant by input keys. 
If your Braille display will let you type input Braille, then you can use some 
commands that are listed in the VoiceOver manual. Also, do you have the manual 
for your braille display? If you do, a lot of them have listed commands for 
using them with screen readers. Mine has a section for iOS devices like 
iPhones, Macintosh commands, and Windows commands.
Sincerely,
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 26, 2014, at 1:20 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

actually i d

how to change back to Mini going to sleep

2014-04-27 Thread regina alvarado
Hello all again:
I want to change my Mini back to going to sleep when not in use to save 
batteries on my bluetooth keyboard. I went to systems prefs and saw settings 
for time, and put to sleep when possible. Am I in the right place? What are the 
steps to change back so I will have to put my password in each time the machine 
goes to sleep. I thought I did not want Mini sleeping, but I think it will save 
my batteries. Is this correct? Thanks for the help. 

By the way, proud of myself, backed up and synced my iPhone in iTunes last 
night. Even made an encrypted backup. We shall see if I ever need it if I have 
done it correctly, but I followed instruction, and everything seems just fine. 

Reggie and Allegra  

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Re: how to change back to Mini going to sleep

2014-04-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi.

That is interesting as I adjusted my I Mac's sleeping schedule.

You need to go to System preferences which you can do with VO M when in Finder 
to bring up the menus.  Once you find Preferences after using VO down arrow, Vo 
space and right with VO once.

Then interact with the table and type EN for energy savings and again press VO. 
 Then you can VO right to explore your settings in Energy preferences.

Hope that helps.

Kawal.
On 27 Apr 2014, at 15:34, regina alvarado  wrote:

> Hello all again:
> I want to change my Mini back to going to sleep when not in use to save 
> batteries on my bluetooth keyboard. I went to systems prefs and saw settings 
> for time, and put to sleep when possible. Am I in the right place? What are 
> the steps to change back so I will have to put my password in each time the 
> machine goes to sleep. I thought I did not want Mini sleeping, but I think it 
> will save my batteries. Is this correct? Thanks for the help. 
> 
> By the way, proud of myself, backed up and synced my iPhone in iTunes last 
> night. Even made an encrypted backup. We shall see if I ever need it if I 
> have done it correctly, but I followed instruction, and everything seems just 
> fine. 
> 
> Reggie and Allegra
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Re: Internet Recovery on MBP 13

2014-04-27 Thread Henry D. Hollithron
Good Day:

When the installer asks you to sign into the app store, you have to use 
the Window chooser to access the dialog. I seem to remember that I had to click 
the mouse in the edit field for the Apple ID using the VoiceOver commands 
VO-CMD-F5, followed by VO-Shift-Space, both while focused on this edit field. 
Once you sign in, the installation proceeds without further trouble from VO. 
It's been a while since I did this, so I may have mixed up a couple of details, 
but re-installing OS X from the recovery partition is definitely possible with 
VO.

HTH:
Henry

Education never ends. It is a series of lessons with the greatest for the last.
Sherlock Holmes

Le 27 avr. 2014 à 15:31, Tom Moore  a écrit :

> Hi guys,
> A few weeks ago I ran the internet recovery option on my mac and it worked ok 
> up to the point to where I had to sign into the Apple store to download the 
> os.
> When this happened the installer froze up and I could not continue.
> A while back I know someone offered up instructions for getting around this 
> problem but I have lost them.
> In my case I had a usb stick with the installer so I was able to get around 
> this issue but if the recovery partition doesn't have the installer you will 
> have a problem.
> The command for running the installer when you have your mac hooked directly 
> to the network is command r while booting.
> What you do is wait about 2 or 3 minutes and then hit command f5 to start 
> Voice Over.
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Daniel C  wrote:
>> 
>> I should've been more specific. When you hit command plus option plus are. 
>> That's what I meant by Internet recovery.
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Re: Internet Recovery on MBP 13

2014-04-27 Thread Daniel Chavez
Command plus r only runs recovery, but command option plus r from what I 
understand runs the option for recovering without the recovery partition. And 
this, command plus option plus r is what I was looking at trying to run with VO.
Sadly, though, as I took my Mac in to the apple Store Friday, they tell me that 
this is not possible with VO to run the, command plus option plus r with 
speech. Which is to bad, as if you wanted to recover back to the original 
shipping OS, those who can't see, or for those who rely on VO in particular, 
can't use that option.

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Re: Internet Recovery on MBP 13

2014-04-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
I think you can use speech if you are connected to a network as I remember 
doing this once with a visually impaired friend using Skype on my I phone.
On 27 Apr 2014, at 15:46, Daniel Chavez  wrote:

> Command plus r only runs recovery, but command option plus r from what I 
> understand runs the option for recovering without the recovery partition. And 
> this, command plus option plus r is what I was looking at trying to run with 
> VO.
> Sadly, though, as I took my Mac in to the apple Store Friday, they tell me 
> that this is not possible with VO to run the, command plus option plus r with 
> speech. Which is to bad, as if you wanted to recover back to the original 
> shipping OS, those who can't see, or for those who rely on VO in particular, 
> can't use that option.
> 
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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Thuy Mallalieu
any idea what this mystery braille display is? Like you say, we might have 
better luck if we knew which one it was?
Cheers
Thuy


Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Apr 2014, at 15:13, Robert C  wrote:
> 
>   This display appears not to have a keyuboard, its strictly a display. I 
> think we need to leave this to someone who knows how to work this particular 
> display to help the person. Itherwise we will all go on side trips that lead 
> to nowhere.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> If you surrender to the wind, you can ride it.
> --Toni Morrison
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
> 
>> On 4/27/2014 6:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> I forgot something. Although you can't assign Braille key commands unless 
>> you have the ability to write Braille on your display, you may be able to 
>> assign commands to your trackpad. I haven't done this, so someone else on 
>> this list will have to help you to do that if you want to do that.
>> Either that, or you may want to call that wonderful 877-204-3930 number. 
>> That is the Apple Accessibility number for blind and deaf customers.
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi again
>>> You can't assign commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on 
>>> your display. That was why I was asking you if you could write Braille on 
>>> your display. Otherwise, all you would have the ability to do is to read 
>>> braille on your braille display. It sounds like that your display is 
>>> supported by voice over because otherwise you would've had to do more to 
>>> make it work or maybe it wouldn't have worked it all. So it sounds like 
>>> that you will need to use your computer keyboard to do everything like 
>>> putting things in and use your Braille display toread braille on your 
>>> programs such as text edit. In fact, text edit is the first program that I 
>>> would recommend you start with to practice with your braille display. You 
>>> may need to press command shift w in text edit so that when you get to the 
>>> bottom of the first page your text will start on the next page.
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
 my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to 
 navigate things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille then 
 i have to assign some commands?
> On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi there
> Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does not 
> mean that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because my 
> focus 14 blue is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in the 
> focus 14 blue manual. The focus, at least in my manual, never says a word 
> about voiceover except for the iPhone. However, my display is listed 
> under its manufacturer in the voiceover manual for the Macintosh for 
> supported Braille displays. So, you might look in the Getting Started 
> with VoiceOver in Apple's website and see if it's on the list. You first 
> look under the manufacturer, and then it has the displays under that 
> manufacturer that are supported.
> 
> In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does not 
> exist almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they immediately 
> tell you to call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of course, which 
> is under Windows. Since there are about 40 braille displays listed under 
> supported braille displays on Apple's website, I would be surprised if 
> yours wasn't listed there. I was most impressed to see the braille 
> displays listed there, some of which I never heard of before.
> 
> Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get 
> braille? If you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and it's 
> on the list somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes those 
> displays that are on the list of supported braille displays. I don't 
> think you would see braille on your display if you are able to get 
> braille on it without going through more complicated connections. I hope 
> what I just said makes sense.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> nope, i dont think i can't type on my display braille, i have the manual 
>> for my display braille but in the manual there's no instruction how to 
>> use it on the mac,. my mom read it for me, and there's all instruction 
>> to use this display braille for all screen reader except for voice over,
>>> Il giorno 27/apr/2014, alle ore 12:49 AM, Eugenia Firth 
>>>  ha scritto:
>>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> I am not sure if I made my question clear. You

Re: Internet Recovery on MBP 13

2014-04-27 Thread Daniel Chavez
Is this a for sure thing?
And as far as being connected to a network, how can you connect without V O? I 
think I tried a LAN cable, it didn't work. I wish that the recovery will detect 
either/or, and will use the first thing it finds.
And say you are connected, does the command plus option plus r option, permit 
speech to be started with the regular command plus F5?

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Re: how to change back to Mini going to sleep

2014-04-27 Thread regina alvarado
If I have the time set to 30 minutes and check both power nap and put to sleep 
when possible, after 30 minutes will Mini automatically go to the 
authentication pane and go to sleep? If I am doing something, watching Netflix 
or something, will the computer completely turn off at the point of 30 minutes. 
If so, how do I stop this. I want Mini to save battery life by going to sleep 
when it is not in use, but I do not want to go back to the authentication 
screen if reading or watching something. Does any of this make sense? Thanks 
for the help.
Reggie and Allegra  

On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

Hi.

That is interesting as I adjusted my I Mac's sleeping schedule.

You need to go to System preferences which you can do with VO M when in Finder 
to bring up the menus.  Once you find Preferences after using VO down arrow, Vo 
space and right with VO once.

Then interact with the table and type EN for energy savings and again press VO. 
 Then you can VO right to explore your settings in Energy preferences.

Hope that helps.

Kawal.
On 27 Apr 2014, at 15:34, regina alvarado  wrote:

> Hello all again:
> I want to change my Mini back to going to sleep when not in use to save 
> batteries on my bluetooth keyboard. I went to systems prefs and saw settings 
> for time, and put to sleep when possible. Am I in the right place? What are 
> the steps to change back so I will have to put my password in each time the 
> machine goes to sleep. I thought I did not want Mini sleeping, but I think it 
> will save my batteries. Is this correct? Thanks for the help. 
> 
> By the way, proud of myself, backed up and synced my iPhone in iTunes last 
> night. Even made an encrypted backup. We shall see if I ever need it if I 
> have done it correctly, but I followed instruction, and everything seems just 
> fine. 
> 
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Re: Internet Recovery on MBP 13

2014-04-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
At the time, Mavericks would not install on my Mac. As my Mac is eight 2012 
late model, it had mountain lion on it. So I had to press something with option 
are, in order for it to get mountain lion back on it. Was it command option 
Shift R? Or am I thinking of something else?

> On 27 Apr 2014, at 03:59 pm, Daniel Chavez  wrote:
> 
> Is this a for sure thing?
> And as far as being connected to a network, how can you connect without V O? 
> I think I tried a LAN cable, it didn't work. I wish that the recovery will 
> detect either/or, and will use the first thing it finds.
> And say you are connected, does the command plus option plus r option, permit 
> speech to be started with the regular command plus F5?
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Re: how to change back to Mini going to sleep

2014-04-27 Thread Alex Hall
Having your Mac sleep shouldn't affect your keyboard. These keyboards are meant 
to sleep on their own when not in use, regardless of the Mac's state. Besides, 
the keyboard has to be ready to send a signal to the Mac when you hit a key to 
wake up the Mac.
On Apr 27, 2014, at 11:06 AM, regina alvarado  wrote:

> If I have the time set to 30 minutes and check both power nap and put to 
> sleep when possible, after 30 minutes will Mini automatically go to the 
> authentication pane and go to sleep? If I am doing something, watching 
> Netflix or something, will the computer completely turn off at the point of 
> 30 minutes. If so, how do I stop this. I want Mini to save battery life by 
> going to sleep when it is not in use, but I do not want to go back to the 
> authentication screen if reading or watching something. Does any of this make 
> sense? Thanks for the help.
> Reggie and Allegra
> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:39 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hi.
> 
> That is interesting as I adjusted my I Mac's sleeping schedule.
> 
> You need to go to System preferences which you can do with VO M when in 
> Finder to bring up the menus.  Once you find Preferences after using VO down 
> arrow, Vo space and right with VO once.
> 
> Then interact with the table and type EN for energy savings and again press 
> VO.  Then you can VO right to explore your settings in Energy preferences.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 27 Apr 2014, at 15:34, regina alvarado  wrote:
> 
>> Hello all again:
>> I want to change my Mini back to going to sleep when not in use to save 
>> batteries on my bluetooth keyboard. I went to systems prefs and saw settings 
>> for time, and put to sleep when possible. Am I in the right place? What are 
>> the steps to change back so I will have to put my password in each time the 
>> machine goes to sleep. I thought I did not want Mini sleeping, but I think 
>> it will save my batteries. Is this correct? Thanks for the help. 
>> 
>> By the way, proud of myself, backed up and synced my iPhone in iTunes last 
>> night. Even made an encrypted backup. We shall see if I ever need it if I 
>> have done it correctly, but I followed instruction, and everything seems 
>> just fine. 
>> 
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Mailbox Sort Order in Mavericks

2014-04-27 Thread Steve Holmes
I noticed after upgrading to Mavericks a couple weeks ago that all my mail box 
folders are sorted in reverse alphabetical order under each IMAP account. This 
always used to be in ascending alpha order and not backwards like it is now. 
Has anyone else experienced this? Also, is there a way to tell mail.app to sort 
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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C

   Nippon Touch Me 5 braille display. Has no keyboard for input.

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On 4/27/2014 7:59 AM, Thuy Mallalieu wrote:

any idea what this mystery braille display is? Like you say, we might have 
better luck if we knew which one it was?
Cheers
Thuy


Sent from my iPhone


On 27 Apr 2014, at 15:13, Robert C  wrote:

   This display appears not to have a keyuboard, its strictly a display. I 
think we need to leave this to someone who knows how to work this particular 
display to help the person. Itherwise we will all go on side trips that lead to 
nowhere.

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On 4/27/2014 6:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
I forgot something. Although you can't assign Braille key commands unless you 
have the ability to write Braille on your display, you may be able to assign 
commands to your trackpad. I haven't done this, so someone else on this list 
will have to help you to do that if you want to do that.
Either that, or you may want to call that wonderful 877-204-3930 number. That 
is the Apple Accessibility number for blind and deaf customers.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi again
You can't assign commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on your 
display. That was why I was asking you if you could write Braille on your 
display. Otherwise, all you would have the ability to do is to read braille on 
your braille display. It sounds like that your display is supported by voice 
over because otherwise you would've had to do more to make it work or maybe it 
wouldn't have worked it all. So it sounds like that you will need to use your 
computer keyboard to do everything like putting things in and use your Braille 
display toread braille on your programs such as text edit. In fact, text edit 
is the first program that I would recommend you start with to practice with 
your braille display. You may need to press command shift w in text edit so 
that when you get to the bottom of the first page your text will start on the 
next page.
Gigi

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to navigate 
things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille then i have to 
assign some commands?

On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

Hi there
Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does not mean 
that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because my focus 14 blue 
is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in the focus 14 blue manual. 
The focus, at least in my manual, never says a word about voiceover except for 
the iPhone. However, my display is listed under its manufacturer in the 
voiceover manual for the Macintosh for supported Braille displays. So, you 
might look in the Getting Started with VoiceOver in Apple's website and see if 
it's on the list. You first look under the manufacturer, and then it has the 
displays under that manufacturer that are supported.

In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does not exist 
almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they immediately tell you to 
call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of course, which is under Windows. 
Since there are about 40 braille displays listed under supported braille 
displays on Apple's website, I would be surprised if yours wasn't listed there. 
I was most impressed to see the braille displays listed there, some of which I 
never heard of before.

Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get braille? If 
you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and it's on the list 
somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes those displays that are 
on the list of supported braille displays. I don't think you would see braille 
on your display if you are able to get braille on it without going through more 
complicated connections. I hope what I just said makes sense.


Regards,
Gigi


Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 26, 2014, at 8:46 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

nope, i dont think i can't type on my display braille, i have the manual for my 
display braille but in the manual there's no instruction how to use it on the 
mac,. my mom read it for me, and there's all instruction to use this display 
braille for all screen reader except for voice over,

Il giorno 27/apr/2014, alle ore 12:49 AM, Eugenia Firth  ha 
scritto:

Hi there
I am not sure if I made my question clear. You know, all Braille displays have 
buttons on them so that you can move the Braille back-and-forth. Does your

Re: Shortcut to Speak Word Count in Any application | Here's How It's Done

2014-04-27 Thread Scott Berry
Nick,

I am sorry to have you do this again but could you please resend the link to 
the script?  I think this may be handy for my homework assignments.


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> Thanks, Andrew--glad it's of use.
> Best,
> Nic
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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
I don't see that one in the supported Braille display list. I see lots of 
Nippon telsoft, but not that one.
http://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html

Teresa

On the other hand, there are different fingers.

On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Robert C  wrote:

>   Nippon Touch Me 5 braille display. Has no keyboard for input.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> "Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are good is like 
> expecting the bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian."
> --Dennis Wholey (1937-)
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
> 
> On 4/27/2014 7:59 AM, Thuy Mallalieu wrote:
>> any idea what this mystery braille display is? Like you say, we might have 
>> better luck if we knew which one it was?
>> Cheers
>> Thuy
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 15:13, Robert C  wrote:
>>> 
>>>   This display appears not to have a keyuboard, its strictly a display. I 
>>> think we need to leave this to someone who knows how to work this 
>>> particular display to help the person. Itherwise we will all go on side 
>>> trips that lead to nowhere.
>>> 
>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>>> If you surrender to the wind, you can ride it.
>>> --Toni Morrison
>>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>>> E-mail-
>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>>> 
 On 4/27/2014 6:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 I forgot something. Although you can't assign Braille key commands unless 
 you have the ability to write Braille on your display, you may be able to 
 assign commands to your trackpad. I haven't done this, so someone else on 
 this list will have to help you to do that if you want to do that.
 Either that, or you may want to call that wonderful 877-204-3930 number. 
 That is the Apple Accessibility number for blind and deaf customers.
 Gigi
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
> Hi again
> You can't assign commands unless you have the ability to write Braille on 
> your display. That was why I was asking you if you could write Braille on 
> your display. Otherwise, all you would have the ability to do is to read 
> braille on your braille display. It sounds like that your display is 
> supported by voice over because otherwise you would've had to do more to 
> make it work or maybe it wouldn't have worked it all. So it sounds like 
> that you will need to use your computer keyboard to do everything like 
> putting things in and use your Braille display toread braille on your 
> programs such as text edit. In fact, text edit is the first program that 
> I would recommend you start with to practice with your braille display. 
> You may need to press command shift w in text edit so that when you get 
> to the bottom of the first page your text will start on the next page.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to 
>> navigate things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille 
>> then i have to assign some commands?
>>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi there
>>> Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does 
>>> not mean that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because 
>>> my focus 14 blue is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in 
>>> the focus 14 blue manual. The focus, at least in my manual, never says 
>>> a word about voiceover except for the iPhone. However, my display is 
>>> listed under its manufacturer in the voiceover manual for the Macintosh 
>>> for supported Braille displays. So, you might look in the Getting 
>>> Started with VoiceOver in Apple's website and see if it's on the list. 
>>> You first look under the manufacturer, and then it has the displays 
>>> under that manufacturer that are supported.
>>> 
>>> In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does 
>>> not exist almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they 
>>> immediately tell you to call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of 
>>> course, which is under Windows. Since there are about 40 braille 
>>> displays listed under supported braille displays on Apple's website, I 
>>> would be surprised if yours wasn't listed there. I was most impressed 
>>> to see the braille displays listed there, some of which I never heard 
>>> of before.
>>> 
>>> Also, when you connected your display to your computer, did you get 
>>> braille? If you did, then VoiceOver is recognizing your display and 
>>> it's on the list somewhere, I'll bet because VoiceOver only recognizes 
>>> those displays that are on the list of supported braille displays. I 
>>> don't

How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C
   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the 
Voiceover equivalent? Thanks.


   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new 
install.


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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
maybe its only for reading, maybe it was not supported with navigating, but 
thanks any way
On 27 Apr 2014, at 05:57 pm, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> I don't see that one in the supported Braille display list. I see lots of 
> Nippon telsoft, but not that one.
> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html
> 
> Teresa
> 
> On the other hand, there are different fingers.
> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Robert C  wrote:
> 
>>  Nippon Touch Me 5 braille display. Has no keyboard for input.
>> 
>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>> "Expecting the world to treat you fairly because you are good is like 
>> expecting the bull not to charge because you are a vegetarian."
>> --Dennis Wholey (1937-)
>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>> E-mail-
>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On 4/27/2014 7:59 AM, Thuy Mallalieu wrote:
>>> any idea what this mystery braille display is? Like you say, we might have 
>>> better luck if we knew which one it was?
>>> Cheers
>>> Thuy
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 27 Apr 2014, at 15:13, Robert C  wrote:
 
  This display appears not to have a keyuboard, its strictly a display. I 
 think we need to leave this to someone who knows how to work this 
 particular display to help the person. Itherwise we will all go on side 
 trips that lead to nowhere.
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
 If you surrender to the wind, you can ride it.
 --Toni Morrison
 Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
 E-mail-
 gone.to.da...@gmail.com
 
> On 4/27/2014 6:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> I forgot something. Although you can't assign Braille key commands unless 
> you have the ability to write Braille on your display, you may be able to 
> assign commands to your trackpad. I haven't done this, so someone else on 
> this list will have to help you to do that if you want to do that.
> Either that, or you may want to call that wonderful 877-204-3930 number. 
> That is the Apple Accessibility number for blind and deaf customers.
> Gigi
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi again
>> You can't assign commands unless you have the ability to write Braille 
>> on your display. That was why I was asking you if you could write 
>> Braille on your display. Otherwise, all you would have the ability to do 
>> is to read braille on your braille display. It sounds like that your 
>> display is supported by voice over because otherwise you would've had to 
>> do more to make it work or maybe it wouldn't have worked it all. So it 
>> sounds like that you will need to use your computer keyboard to do 
>> everything like putting things in and use your Braille display toread 
>> braille on your programs such as text edit. In fact, text edit is the 
>> first program that I would recommend you start with to practice with 
>> your braille display. You may need to press command shift w in text edit 
>> so that when you get to the bottom of the first page your text will 
>> start on the next page.
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:49 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> my computer recognize my display braille, but the only problem was to 
>>> navigate things, do i have to go to the voice over utility > braille 
>>> then i have to assign some commands?
 On 27 Apr 2014, at 12:26 pm, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
 Hi there
 Just because it doesn't tell you about voice over in the manual does 
 not mean that it is not supported in voiceover. How do I know? Because 
 my focus 14 blue is not listed in a discussion of using on the Mac in 
 the focus 14 blue manual. The focus, at least in my manual, never says 
 a word about voiceover except for the iPhone. However, my display is 
 listed under its manufacturer in the voiceover manual for the 
 Macintosh for supported Braille displays. So, you might look in the 
 Getting Started with VoiceOver in Apple's website and see if it's on 
 the list. You first look under the manufacturer, and then it has the 
 displays under that manufacturer that are supported.
 
 In the case of Freedom Scientific, for example, they act the Mac does 
 not exist almost because if tell them you are using a Mac they 
 immediately tell you to call Apple. That's because they sell JAWS, of 
 course, which is under Windows. Since there are about 40 braille 
 displays listed under supported braille displays on Apple's website, I 
 would be surprised if yours wasn't listed there. I was most impressed 
 to see the braille displays listed there, some of which I never heard 
 of before.
 
 Also, when you connected your display to your compute

Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
press cmd shift + a

to open up the application folder if you are on the finder 
On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C  wrote:

>   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
> double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover 
> equivalent? Thanks.
> 
>   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install.
> 
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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
then look for the application you want to uninstall then cmd delete
On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C  wrote:

>   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
> double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover 
> equivalent? Thanks.
> 
>   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install.
> 
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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C
   I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out 
is how to properly uninstall the app.


   Here is what I am told to do.

"...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon."

   That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process.

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On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:

press cmd shift + a

to open up the application folder if you are on the finder
On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C  wrote:


   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover 
equivalent? Thanks.

   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install.

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Re: Loudness issues

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
i suspect about the audio docking, you have to uncheck it on the voice over 
utility > sounds
On 27 Apr 2014, at 03:33 pm, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> last year I bought a new MacBook Air mid 2013. Ever since I have a loudness 
> issue with VO. It happens that VO sways in the loudness up and down. 
> Sometimes it's fine for a while but then again it sways up and down. At first 
> I suspected my computer. But then I heard this loudness swaying on other Macs 
> as well. 
> 
> But: I only heard it on Macs using german voices. 
> 
> So what about you guys? Do you have such issues with your english voices? Or 
> what about others who use non german language?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
you  have to select the program you want to uninstall then press cmd delete or 
backspace 

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Re: internet problems again on mac book pro

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
ok tim, i only have one internet connection, and the problem is still there, 
what do you think?any probable cause?
On 27 Apr 2014, at 07:48 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> No, you shouldn't create a new network.  New networks that are added will be 
> placed at the bottom of the list.  Your Mac looks at that list, and they are 
> set in priority order according to their position in the list.  So, when your 
> computer awakens, it activates the WiFi controller and goes through that list 
> looking for networks it can join.  If all the ones above yours are not 
> anywhere to be found, then it will usually pick yours.  I have seen it 
> though, where things get a little confused when your network is far down the 
> list or if you have multiple networks with the same name but different 
> passwords.
> 
> So, it looks like you'll need to attempt to drag your network to the top of 
> the list if you're unable to delete the other networks.  I've found the 
> dragging and dropping in this area to be inconsistent so it may take some 
> effort to do this.  That's why I suggested removing other networks.  If you 
> know the passwords for the other networks, it's easy to re-add them again 
> when you come in contact with them.  remember that new ones get added to the 
> bottom of the list.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
>> hello, tim, on the 
>> wifi prefered control is only for adding new connection on my mac book. or 
>> should i create a network? i cant delete the other connections i've 
>> connectedOn 27 Apr 2014, at 05:07 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I can't see any good reason why a Bluetooth keyboard should cause you 
>>> problems with your WiFi connection.  Apple usually sells the wireless 
>>> keyboard by default with most iMacs and other Desktop units so you'd think 
>>> that they would have noticed that sort of error.  Regarding whether you see 
>>> WiFi networks right away kind of depends on how quickly you are trying to 
>>> see them within that menu.  I've seen it take 10 to 15 seconds before that 
>>> menu is populated with the various WiFi networks within range.  That all 
>>> being said, you should still connect to your own WiFi network pretty well 
>>> right away, so, try going into System Preferences, in the Network pane, 
>>> select WiFi from the Services table, then press VO-space on the Advanced 
>>> menu.  There should be a table there named "preferred Networks".  Interact 
>>> with it and make sure that your Home network is listed there.  If it's not 
>>> listed, then it's not being remembered properly.  If there are other 
>>> networks listed before it, then try moving yours to the top of the list.  
>>> Moving it is done with the Drag & Drop process.  If you have difficulties 
>>> with the Drag & Drop, then simply remove the networks that are listed above 
>>> it.  You can accomplish this by selecting the network you wish to remove, 
>>> then stopping Interaction with the table, and Interacting with the "WiFi 
>>> Preferred Networks Control" area then choosing Remove.  You'll then need to 
>>> click OK and Apply so that this is all remembered properly.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 can somebody help me about my internet connection, because everytime i 
 open up my computer, i am not connected to my wifi. i think there's no 
 problem with my router because when i open up the wifi extra menu, i cant 
 find any internet connections. this only happens when my bluetooth is on 
 when i turn on my computer. do you think i have to bring back my computer 
 to the store, i am using a mac book pro, and i am using the apple wireless 
 bluetooth keyboard,thanks in advance
 
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Re: Loudness issues

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

It sounds like Audio Ducking is enabled.  What Audio Ducking does is lower the 
volume of VO when certain things are happening so that whatever the OS thinks 
is priority can be heard.  I prefer that VO is my priority so I've turned Audio 
Ducking off.  You do this in the Sound (cmd-6) pane of the VO Utility.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> last year I bought a new MacBook Air mid 2013. Ever since I have a loudness 
> issue with VO. It happens that VO sways in the loudness up and down. 
> Sometimes it's fine for a while but then again it sways up and down. At first 
> I suspected my computer. But then I heard this loudness swaying on other Macs 
> as well. 
> 
> But: I only heard it on Macs using german voices. 
> 
> So what about you guys? Do you have such issues with your english voices? Or 
> what about others who use non german language?
> 
> Thanks and all the best
> Jürgen
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Internet Recovery Is Possible with VO on my MBP 13

2014-04-27 Thread Daniel Chavez
I was able to get internet recovery to work with VO on my MBP 13, late 2011. It 
was guesswork though, because I couldn't tell what it was doing. So my guess is 
that you have to wait about an hour or so, then try command plus F5, and fred 
will come up talking.
I made sure I was hard-wired into my router, connected the ethernet cable prior 
to booting, and held down CMD plus option plus r for a while, even after the 
chime, at least a good minute or so.
I waited I'd estiamte about an hour, but this is a guess, and did CMD plus F5, 
VO eventually came on, but i had to press command plus F5 quite a bit during 
that time,t hough. So my guess is, if any blind person wants to do internet 
recovery, time with a sighted person, how long it takes for the globe to stop 
spinning on the screen, and that'll determine how long you have to wait before 
you press CMD plus F5, a I guess that when the globe is not spinning, that 
means the internet recovery is done loading.
But, that was just an F.Y.I., for those people who are blind, and may have been 
wondering whether or not internet recovery was possible using VO. Yes, it is, 
but it's harder to guess at than the regular recovery partition, yet, it is, 
with patience, possible to do.

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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
In most cases, command-backspace will delete/uninstall an app once you find it 
in the apps folder. This is the usual process on a Mac. There's no need to go 
through an uninstall dialog as in Windows. Some programs leave files in your 
library, but they will either not apply or you may get dialogs for them. in 
this case, you may have to delete the files from your library, but this is rare.

Hth,
Teresa

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On Apr 27, 2014, at 9:26 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
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> you  have to select the program you want to uninstall then press cmd delete 
> or backspace 
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Re: Adobe Flash Player.

2014-04-27 Thread -

On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:


Hi.

Someone wrote:

"Just installed Adobe Flash Player 13 and it was not hard at all.  Now I 
can

listen to BBC programs without having to wish I had a Windows machine for
that purpose"

Are you using it to access the online streaming or to use the bbc media 
player?


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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Everything I've read so far, for the newer versions, just tells you to throw 
the app into the Trash to uninstall.  This is done either for sighted users, by 
dragging it into the Trash or by any user by selecting the app then pressing 
cmd-delete which is the keyboard shortcut for placing something into the Trash. 
 In most cases, this is all you ever need to do to uninstall an app on the Mac. 
 There are cases where you need to delete certain Library and/or System files, 
but the vast majority of apps can be removed in the manner explained.

I've not seen cmd-double-click in any situation but that doesn't mean that it 
doesn't exist.  There is a control-click on an item, which just brings up the 
Contextual menu like VO-shift-m does where you could choose the "Move to Trash" 
item.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Robert C  wrote:

>   I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is how 
> to properly uninstall the app.
> 
>   Here is what I am told to do.
> 
> "...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon."
> 
>   That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
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> On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:
>> press cmd shift + a
>> 
>> to open up the application folder if you are on the finder
>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C  wrote:
>> 
>>>   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
>>> double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover 
>>> equivalent? Thanks.
>>> 
>>>   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install.
>>> 
>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>>> Chocolate is good for three things. Two of 'em cannot be
>>> mentioned on public television.
>>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>>> E-mail-
>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>>> 
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VLC

2014-04-27 Thread -


Does anyone know how to start vlc while at the terminal command line? 
According to the online chatter it can be done without using the os10 open 
command.  But I have had no success using the methods they appear to use.


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Re: internet problems again on mac book pro

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Here's the questions that need answered.

* What kind of router are you using?
* Is its firmware up-to-date?
* Does this happen if you are at a different location accessing a different 
router?  That is, does it happen everywhere or just on your router at home?

You need to determine if it is an issue with the Mac, the MacOS, or the other 
device.
Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

> ok tim, i only have one internet connection, and the problem is still there, 
> what do you think?any probable cause?
> On 27 Apr 2014, at 07:48 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> No, you shouldn't create a new network.  New networks that are added will be 
>> placed at the bottom of the list.  Your Mac looks at that list, and they are 
>> set in priority order according to their position in the list.  So, when 
>> your computer awakens, it activates the WiFi controller and goes through 
>> that list looking for networks it can join.  If all the ones above yours are 
>> not anywhere to be found, then it will usually pick yours.  I have seen it 
>> though, where things get a little confused when your network is far down the 
>> list or if you have multiple networks with the same name but different 
>> passwords.
>> 
>> So, it looks like you'll need to attempt to drag your network to the top of 
>> the list if you're unable to delete the other networks.  I've found the 
>> dragging and dropping in this area to be inconsistent so it may take some 
>> effort to do this.  That's why I suggested removing other networks.  If you 
>> know the passwords for the other networks, it's easy to re-add them again 
>> when you come in contact with them.  remember that new ones get added to the 
>> bottom of the list.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> hello, tim, on the 
>>> wifi prefered control is only for adding new connection on my mac book. or 
>>> should i create a network? i cant delete the other connections i've 
>>> connectedOn 27 Apr 2014, at 05:07 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I can't see any good reason why a Bluetooth keyboard should cause you 
 problems with your WiFi connection.  Apple usually sells the wireless 
 keyboard by default with most iMacs and other Desktop units so you'd think 
 that they would have noticed that sort of error.  Regarding whether you 
 see WiFi networks right away kind of depends on how quickly you are trying 
 to see them within that menu.  I've seen it take 10 to 15 seconds before 
 that menu is populated with the various WiFi networks within range.  That 
 all being said, you should still connect to your own WiFi network pretty 
 well right away, so, try going into System Preferences, in the Network 
 pane, select WiFi from the Services table, then press VO-space on the 
 Advanced menu.  There should be a table there named "preferred Networks".  
 Interact with it and make sure that your Home network is listed there.  If 
 it's not listed, then it's not being remembered properly.  If there are 
 other networks listed before it, then try moving yours to the top of the 
 list.  Moving it is done with the Drag & Drop process.  If you have 
 difficulties with the Drag & Drop, then simply remove the networks that 
 are listed above it.  You can accomplish this by selecting the network you 
 wish to remove, then stopping Interaction with the table, and Interacting 
 with the "WiFi Preferred Networks Control" area then choosing Remove.  
 You'll then need to click OK and Apply so that this is all remembered 
 properly.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 26, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
> can somebody help me about my internet connection, because everytime i 
> open up my computer, i am not connected to my wifi. i think there's no 
> problem with my router because when i open up the wifi extra menu, i cant 
> find any internet connections. this only happens when my bluetooth is on 
> when i turn on my computer. do you think i have to bring back my computer 
> to the store, i am using a mac book pro, and i am using the apple 
> wireless bluetooth keyboard,thanks in advance
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Re: Mailbox Sort Order in Mavericks

2014-04-27 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Hi Steve,

If you go to the view menu under mail and then to the sort by submenu, you can 
expand that submenu and change how your messages are sorted.

Robert Carter


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> I noticed after upgrading to Mavericks a couple weeks ago that all my mail 
> box folders are sorted in reverse alphabetical order under each IMAP account. 
> This always used to be in ascending alpha order and not backwards like it is 
> now. Has anyone else experienced this? Also, is there a way to tell mail.app 
> to sort these properly? I?m running latest Mavericks ma
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Re: Adobe Flash Player.

2014-04-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
for the BBC programs.

Kawal.The Radio I Player 
On 27 Apr 2014, at 17:48, -  wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
> Someone wrote:
> 
> "Just installed Adobe Flash Player 13 and it was not hard at all.  Now I can
> listen to BBC programs without having to wish I had a Windows machine for
> that purpose"
> 
> Are you using it to access the online streaming or to use the bbc media 
> player?
> 
> XB
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Re: Adobe Flash Player.

2014-04-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Sorry, the message got messed up.

I'm using the I Player Radio on the BBC to access BBC Radio content.

Kawal.
On 27 Apr 2014, at 18:41, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> for the BBC programs.
> 
> Kawal.The Radio I Player 
> On 27 Apr 2014, at 17:48, -  wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>> Someone wrote:
>> 
>> "Just installed Adobe Flash Player 13 and it was not hard at all.  Now I can
>> listen to BBC programs without having to wish I had a Windows machine for
>> that purpose"
>> 
>> Are you using it to access the online streaming or to use the bbc media 
>> player?
>> 
>> XB
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Drop Box Website.

2014-04-27 Thread Kawal Gucukoglu
Hi.

Has anyone noticed how inaccessible the Drop Box website has become lately?

I'm going to downgrade my subscription and use another syncing tool called Bit 
Torrent Sync which I'm setting up in about 45 minutes as I have been told by a 
friend of mine that you can send large files as long as some one has the same 
software.

Kawal.

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Re: Mailbox Sort Order in Mavericks

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi Steve,

Here's a trick to get the Mailboxes sorted properly:

1.  Go into your Mail Preferences either with cmd-comma or under the Mail menu.
2.  Select Accounts from the Toolbar.
3.  Select the account you wish to have the Mailboxes re-ordered in.
4.  From within the Accounts Info tab, uncheck the "Enable this Account" 
checkbox.

Don't worry, this won't actually lose any of your info, it just temporarily 
disables it.

5.  Close your Mail Prefs and Quit the Mail app.
6.  Wait a short bit then re-open your Mail app.
7.  Go back into Mail Prefs and enable this account.
8.  Close your Mail Prefs and everything should be sorted properly again.

Sometimes, if it is a Gmail account, you may need to Quit the Mail app and 
re-open it again so that the sync works properly.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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> I noticed after upgrading to Mavericks a couple weeks ago that all my mail 
> box folders are sorted in reverse alphabetical order under each IMAP account. 
> This always used to be in ascending alpha order and not backwards like it is 
> now. Has anyone else experienced this? Also, is there a way to tell mail.app 
> to sort these properly? I?m running latest Mavericks ma
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Re: Drop Box Website.

2014-04-27 Thread David Taylor
Hi,

Yes, the DB website is pretty awful, though everything seems doable on it. I 
use both Dropbox and BT Sync. With BT sync, you create the folder, and then 
either send somebody a key to it, or somebody sends you a key and you add it as 
a shared folder. There is much more control, though setting up the folders 
isn't quite as automatic. Everything in the folder you pick and everything in 
the folder they pick is synchronised, so best to use a Dropbox like structure.

Cheers
Dave

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> Hi.
> 
> Has anyone noticed how inaccessible the Drop Box website has become lately?
> 
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> 
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Re: Issues Ejecting Nano 5th gen

2014-04-27 Thread Traci Duncan
I have looked inside the activity monitor before, but how do I find the exact 
thing that may be using the iPod?

In the end, I had to manually restore my device, by holding down the menu & 
center buttons.

I am currently using the system voice, but this isn't my favorite set up, 
because I like to change my system voice from time to time.  Lol, then I forget 
this, the next time I sync my Nano.

Traci
 
On Apr 26, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Try quitting iTunes.  If that doesn't do it, you may need to force eject it 
> or check in the Activity Monitor to see if something is accessing it.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all, I cannot work this out.
>> 
>> Lately, I'm unable to eject my iPod Nano 5th gen.  This error comes up:
>> The iPod "" cannot be ejected because it contains files that are in use by 
>> another application.
>> 
>> Along with this, not everything on the iPod has voice labels.
>> 
>> Any ideas?  Also, do you guys use the voice from VoiceOver  or the system 
>> voice for your iPods?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Traci
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Re: Issues Ejecting Nano 5th gen

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Usually, if iTunes has been quit, then you may see something iTunes/iPod 
related that could be causing the issue.  If iTunes is still on, then things 
may be difficult to determine.  The manual restore certainly does the trick, 
but it may have been easier to simply physically disconnect the iPod, restart 
your Mac and reconnect the iPod to see if things would start working again.  
Yes, changing the System voice does cause issues on the iPod as certain voices 
aren't compatible with the iPod.  The main thing is that you got it working so 
this is just for possible future reference.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> I have looked inside the activity monitor before, but how do I find the exact 
> thing that may be using the iPod?
> 
> In the end, I had to manually restore my device, by holding down the menu & 
> center buttons.
> 
> I am currently using the system voice, but this isn't my favorite set up, 
> because I like to change my system voice from time to time.  Lol, then I 
> forget this, the next time I sync my Nano.
> 
> Traci
>  
> On Apr 26, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Try quitting iTunes.  If that doesn't do it, you may need to force eject it 
>> or check in the Activity Monitor to see if something is accessing it.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all, I cannot work this out.
>>> 
>>> Lately, I'm unable to eject my iPod Nano 5th gen.  This error comes up:
>>> The iPod "" cannot be ejected because it contains files that are in use by 
>>> another application.
>>> 
>>> Along with this, not everything on the iPod has voice labels.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas?  Also, do you guys use the voice from VoiceOver  or the system 
>>> voice for your iPods?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
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Re: Issues Ejecting Nano 5th gen

2014-04-27 Thread Traci Duncan
:) Doing the manual restore, was my last resort.  I had already tried the 
disconnect/reconnect, ejecting it from my desktop, and restoring it via iTunes.

For some reason, none of those worked, and I could not get the iPod menus to 
speak.

Thankfully, for now it is working.  Though I'd like to get back to using the VO 
voice instead of the system voice.

Thanks,
Traci

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> Hi,
> 
> Usually, if iTunes has been quit, then you may see something iTunes/iPod 
> related that could be causing the issue.  If iTunes is still on, then things 
> may be difficult to determine.  The manual restore certainly does the trick, 
> but it may have been easier to simply physically disconnect the iPod, restart 
> your Mac and reconnect the iPod to see if things would start working again.  
> Yes, changing the System voice does cause issues on the iPod as certain 
> voices aren't compatible with the iPod.  The main thing is that you got it 
> working so this is just for possible future reference.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
> 
>> I have looked inside the activity monitor before, but how do I find the 
>> exact thing that may be using the iPod?
>> 
>> In the end, I had to manually restore my device, by holding down the menu & 
>> center buttons.
>> 
>> I am currently using the system voice, but this isn't my favorite set up, 
>> because I like to change my system voice from time to time.  Lol, then I 
>> forget this, the next time I sync my Nano.
>> 
>> Traci
>>  
>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Try quitting iTunes.  If that doesn't do it, you may need to force eject it 
>>> or check in the Activity Monitor to see if something is accessing it.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all, I cannot work this out.
 
 Lately, I'm unable to eject my iPod Nano 5th gen.  This error comes up:
 The iPod "" cannot be ejected because it contains files that are in use by 
 another application.
 
 Along with this, not everything on the iPod has voice labels.
 
 Any ideas?  Also, do you guys use the voice from VoiceOver  or the system 
 voice for your iPods?
 
 Thanks,
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Re: VLC

2014-04-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
According to this:
https://wiki.videolan.org/Mac_OS_X/#Command_line
you can use this command:
/Applications/VLC.app/Contents/MacOS/VLC
which seems to open with some kind of console. There's also an option to run 
without an interface using CVLC instead. I don't know anything more than this. 
I also don't know how to exit that console. There's more discussion on the 
above website.

Teresa

"Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman

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> 
> Does anyone know how to start vlc while at the terminal command line? 
> According to the online chatter it can be done without using the os10 open 
> command.  But I have had no success using the methods they appear to use.
> 
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Re: voice changes after mavericks upgrade

2014-04-27 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Shawn,

So you are saying that Samantha and, presumably also Tom, since he is part of 
vocalizer expressive, are still suppose to be available under Mavericks? That 
is very interesting. I wonder if there is a way to delete the old files and 
somehow reacquire them, although I didn't think I saw Samantha or Tom in the 
list of voices in the customize dialogue under text to speech in the system 
preferences. Will look again. I've heard a lot of good things about these 
expressive voices. Thus far, I have tried Allison and Susan, and I prefer 
Samantha on my i-devices and, of course, Alex. I also prefer the Russian voice 
on my iPad to the ones available on the Mac. But I don't think Apple is going 
to care much what I prefer. 

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Re: Issues Ejecting Nano 5th gen

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Good troubleshooting.  Occasionally, with the restore via iTunes, and the 
change to the System voice will do the trick but it sounds like you tried most 
everything you could.

Later

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:

> :) Doing the manual restore, was my last resort.  I had already tried the 
> disconnect/reconnect, ejecting it from my desktop, and restoring it via 
> iTunes.
> 
> For some reason, none of those worked, and I could not get the iPod menus to 
> speak.
> 
> Thankfully, for now it is working.  Though I'd like to get back to using the 
> VO voice instead of the system voice.
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 11:11 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Usually, if iTunes has been quit, then you may see something iTunes/iPod 
>> related that could be causing the issue.  If iTunes is still on, then things 
>> may be difficult to determine.  The manual restore certainly does the trick, 
>> but it may have been easier to simply physically disconnect the iPod, 
>> restart your Mac and reconnect the iPod to see if things would start working 
>> again.  Yes, changing the System voice does cause issues on the iPod as 
>> certain voices aren't compatible with the iPod.  The main thing is that you 
>> got it working so this is just for possible future reference.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 12:01 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have looked inside the activity monitor before, but how do I find the 
>>> exact thing that may be using the iPod?
>>> 
>>> In the end, I had to manually restore my device, by holding down the menu & 
>>> center buttons.
>>> 
>>> I am currently using the system voice, but this isn't my favorite set up, 
>>> because I like to change my system voice from time to time.  Lol, then I 
>>> forget this, the next time I sync my Nano.
>>> 
>>> Traci
>>>  
>>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 10:50 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 Try quitting iTunes.  If that doesn't do it, you may need to force eject 
 it or check in the Activity Monitor to see if something is accessing it.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 26, 2014, at 9:54 PM, Traci Duncan  wrote:
 
> Hi all, I cannot work this out.
> 
> Lately, I'm unable to eject my iPod Nano 5th gen.  This error comes up:
> The iPod "" cannot be ejected because it contains files that are in use 
> by another application.
> 
> Along with this, not everything on the iPod has voice labels.
> 
> Any ideas?  Also, do you guys use the voice from VoiceOver  or the system 
> voice for your iPods?
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
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Re: internet problems again on mac book pro

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
i am using a d link router, and i haven't updated it yet.just wondering because 
when i close my bluetooth on my computer my internet connects automatically on 
the internet. so i conclude that there's no problem with the router. i haven't 
tried to other connection yet. then when my computer sleeps and my bluetooth is 
on, my internet automatically disconnect too, so i have to wait again or 
reconnect my wifi.
On 27 Apr 2014, at 07:03 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Here's the questions that need answered.
> 
> * What kind of router are you using?
> * Is its firmware up-to-date?
> * Does this happen if you are at a different location accessing a different 
> router?  That is, does it happen everywhere or just on your router at home?
> 
> You need to determine if it is an issue with the Mac, the MacOS, or the other 
> device.
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
>> ok tim, i only have one internet connection, and the problem is still there, 
>> what do you think?any probable cause?
>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 07:48 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> No, you shouldn't create a new network.  New networks that are added will 
>>> be placed at the bottom of the list.  Your Mac looks at that list, and they 
>>> are set in priority order according to their position in the list.  So, 
>>> when your computer awakens, it activates the WiFi controller and goes 
>>> through that list looking for networks it can join.  If all the ones above 
>>> yours are not anywhere to be found, then it will usually pick yours.  I 
>>> have seen it though, where things get a little confused when your network 
>>> is far down the list or if you have multiple networks with the same name 
>>> but different passwords.
>>> 
>>> So, it looks like you'll need to attempt to drag your network to the top of 
>>> the list if you're unable to delete the other networks.  I've found the 
>>> dragging and dropping in this area to be inconsistent so it may take some 
>>> effort to do this.  That's why I suggested removing other networks.  If you 
>>> know the passwords for the other networks, it's easy to re-add them again 
>>> when you come in contact with them.  remember that new ones get added to 
>>> the bottom of the list.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 hello, tim, on the 
 wifi prefered control is only for adding new connection on my mac book. or 
 should i create a network? i cant delete the other connections i've 
 connectedOn 27 Apr 2014, at 05:07 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I can't see any good reason why a Bluetooth keyboard should cause you 
> problems with your WiFi connection.  Apple usually sells the wireless 
> keyboard by default with most iMacs and other Desktop units so you'd 
> think that they would have noticed that sort of error.  Regarding whether 
> you see WiFi networks right away kind of depends on how quickly you are 
> trying to see them within that menu.  I've seen it take 10 to 15 seconds 
> before that menu is populated with the various WiFi networks within 
> range.  That all being said, you should still connect to your own WiFi 
> network pretty well right away, so, try going into System Preferences, in 
> the Network pane, select WiFi from the Services table, then press 
> VO-space on the Advanced menu.  There should be a table there named 
> "preferred Networks".  Interact with it and make sure that your Home 
> network is listed there.  If it's not listed, then it's not being 
> remembered properly.  If there are other networks listed before it, then 
> try moving yours to the top of the list.  Moving it is done with the Drag 
> & Drop process.  If you have difficulties with the Drag & Drop, then 
> simply remove the networks that are listed above it.  You can accomplish 
> this by selecting the network you wish to remove, then stopping 
> Interaction with the table, and Interacting with the "WiFi Preferred 
> Networks Control" area then choosing Remove.  You'll then need to click 
> OK and Apply so that this is all remembered properly.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>  wrote:
> 
>> can somebody help me about my internet connection, because everytime i 
>> open up my computer, i am not connected to my wifi. i think there's no 
>> problem with my router because when i open up the wifi extra menu, i 
>> cant find any internet connections. this only happens when my bluetooth 
>> is on when i turn on my computer. do you think i have to bring back my 
>> computer to the store, i am using a mac book pro, and i am using the 
>> apple wir

Re: voice changes after mavericks upgrade

2014-04-27 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Hi Mary. I'd suggest trying to re-download them but first go into the finder, 
then system, then library, then speech, then voices and delete the old voices 
you have from Nuance.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Hi Shawn,
> 
> So you are saying that Samantha and, presumably also Tom, since he is part of 
> vocalizer expressive, are still suppose to be available under Mavericks? That 
> is very interesting. I wonder if there is a way to delete the old files and 
> somehow reacquire them, although I didn't think I saw Samantha or Tom in the 
> list of voices in the customize dialogue under text to speech in the system 
> preferences. Will look again. I've heard a lot of good things about these 
> expressive voices. Thus far, I have tried Allison and Susan, and I prefer 
> Samantha on my i-devices and, of course, Alex. I also prefer the Russian 
> voice on my iPad to the ones available on the Mac. But I don't think Apple is 
> going to care much what I prefer. 
> 
> Mary
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Re: Loudness issues

2014-04-27 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi,

thanks for all your answers and sharing your experiences. That's very valuable. 
Now I know the english speaking users don't experience this.

I wished it was so simple. But unfortunately it's not connected to Ducking. I 
know the ducking function and I think it's a good idea of Apples. The issue I 
discribed is a real swaying of loudness that sometimes takes 10 seconds to take 
place. I suspect the german voices of nuance that don't work properly together 
with VO.

But thanks again and
all the best
Jürgen

Am 27.04.2014 um 18:31 schrieb Tim Kilburn :

> Hi,
> 
> It sounds like Audio Ducking is enabled.  What Audio Ducking does is lower 
> the volume of VO when certain things are happening so that whatever the OS 
> thinks is priority can be heard.  I prefer that VO is my priority so I've 
> turned Audio Ducking off.  You do this in the Sound (cmd-6) pane of the VO 
> Utility.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Jürgen Fleger  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> last year I bought a new MacBook Air mid 2013. Ever since I have a loudness 
>> issue with VO. It happens that VO sways in the loudness up and down. 
>> Sometimes it's fine for a while but then again it sways up and down. At 
>> first I suspected my computer. But then I heard this loudness swaying on 
>> other Macs as well. 
>> 
>> But: I only heard it on Macs using german voices. 
>> 
>> So what about you guys? Do you have such issues with your english voices? Or 
>> what about others who use non german language?
>> 
>> Thanks and all the best
>> Jürgen
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Re: voice changes after mavericks upgrade

2014-04-27 Thread Mary Otten
Thanks, Shawn. I don't know why, perhaps because voice over is on? But when I 
went into finder as you described, and down to the individual voice folders, 
the system isn't letting me delete. I get the ding when I try to do that. Even 
opening a folder and then a subfolder within that folder, e.g. Samantha, and 
trying to get rid of an individual file, gives me the ding. There must be some 
setting I have to change somewhere to enable deletions? Wasn't there some 
change in mountain lion or lion that restricted user access to some folders 
that had been accessible under earlier versions of osX?

I am not one who feels particularly comfortable messing in the guts of the 
system. But deleting various voices that I'm not using or can't use seems 
harmless enough if I could just get it to work.

Mary

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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C
   In Windows, sometimes one has to use an UNinstaller to cleanly 
remove a program or there will be problems. And that has happened to me.


   Command delete does remove the progrma from Applicatiions. But its 
not a clean process. I ran into issues trying to install again. Will 
save it for later.


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On 4/27/2014 9:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Everything I've read so far, for the newer versions, just tells you to throw 
the app into the Trash to uninstall.  This is done either for sighted users, by 
dragging it into the Trash or by any user by selecting the app then pressing 
cmd-delete which is the keyboard shortcut for placing something into the Trash. 
 In most cases, this is all you ever need to do to uninstall an app on the Mac. 
 There are cases where you need to delete certain Library and/or System files, 
but the vast majority of apps can be removed in the manner explained.

I've not seen cmd-double-click in any situation but that doesn't mean that it doesn't 
exist.  There is a control-click on an item, which just brings up the Contextual menu 
like VO-shift-m does where you could choose the "Move to Trash" item.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Robert C  wrote:


   I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is how to 
properly uninstall the app.

   Here is what I am told to do.

"...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon."

   That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process.

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On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:

press cmd shift + a

to open up the application folder if you are on the finder
On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C  wrote:


   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover 
equivalent? Thanks.

   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install.

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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

According to the RoboForm site, with the newest version, all you need to do is 
put the app into the Trash.  Older versions required you to get rid of some 
files in /Users/Your_Account/Library/Application Support and 
/Users/Your_Account/Library/Preferences.  Apps like this one may need you to 
make sure that you've quit Safari as well as restarted your computer prior to 
doing the re-install.  This kind of app keeps some things running even though 
you've trashed things.  I suggest you both restart the computer and Empty your 
Trash prior to attempting the re-install process.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Robert C  wrote:

>   In Windows, sometimes one has to use an UNinstaller to cleanly remove a 
> program or there will be problems. And that has happened to me.
> 
>   Command delete does remove the progrma from Applicatiions. But its not a 
> clean process. I ran into issues trying to install again. Will save it for 
> later.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs.
> --Partnership for a Drug-Free America
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
> 
> On 4/27/2014 9:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Everything I've read so far, for the newer versions, just tells you to throw 
>> the app into the Trash to uninstall.  This is done either for sighted users, 
>> by dragging it into the Trash or by any user by selecting the app then 
>> pressing cmd-delete which is the keyboard shortcut for placing something 
>> into the Trash.  In most cases, this is all you ever need to do to uninstall 
>> an app on the Mac.  There are cases where you need to delete certain Library 
>> and/or System files, but the vast majority of apps can be removed in the 
>> manner explained.
>> 
>> I've not seen cmd-double-click in any situation but that doesn't mean that 
>> it doesn't exist.  There is a control-click on an item, which just brings up 
>> the Contextual menu like VO-shift-m does where you could choose the "Move to 
>> Trash" item.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Robert C  wrote:
>> 
>>>   I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is how 
>>> to properly uninstall the app.
>>> 
>>>   Here is what I am told to do.
>>> 
>>> "...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon."
>>> 
>>>   That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process.
>>> 
>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>>> "If you feel you have no faults  there's another one."
>>> --Unknown
>>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>>> E-mail-
>>> gone.to.da...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:
 press cmd shift + a
 
 to open up the application folder if you are on the finder
 On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C  wrote:
 
>   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
> double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the 
> Voiceover equivalent? Thanks.
> 
>   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new 
> install.
> 
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Re: internet problems again on mac book pro

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I wouldn't necessarily make that conclusion.  It sounds to me like there's 
interference between Bluetooth and your WiFi signal.  If your router is located 
in close proximity to your computer, then the two may be interfering with each 
other.  In some router settings, there is the ability to either change the 
channel, turn on interference filters and/or a firmware update will fix it.  If 
it is an older router, then making sure that the router isn't too close to your 
computer system may help with this sort of issue.  If it's not possible to 
relocate the router, then look at its settings to see if there's anything you 
can adjust for radio interference.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

> i am using a d link router, and i haven't updated it yet.just wondering 
> because when i close my bluetooth on my computer my internet connects 
> automatically on the internet. so i conclude that there's no problem with the 
> router. i haven't tried to other connection yet. then when my computer sleeps 
> and my bluetooth is on, my internet automatically disconnect too, so i have 
> to wait again or reconnect my wifi.
> On 27 Apr 2014, at 07:03 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Here's the questions that need answered.
>> 
>> * What kind of router are you using?
>> * Is its firmware up-to-date?
>> * Does this happen if you are at a different location accessing a different 
>> router?  That is, does it happen everywhere or just on your router at home?
>> 
>> You need to determine if it is an issue with the Mac, the MacOS, or the 
>> other device.
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> ok tim, i only have one internet connection, and the problem is still 
>>> there, what do you think?any probable cause?
>>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 07:48 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 No, you shouldn't create a new network.  New networks that are added will 
 be placed at the bottom of the list.  Your Mac looks at that list, and 
 they are set in priority order according to their position in the list.  
 So, when your computer awakens, it activates the WiFi controller and goes 
 through that list looking for networks it can join.  If all the ones above 
 yours are not anywhere to be found, then it will usually pick yours.  I 
 have seen it though, where things get a little confused when your network 
 is far down the list or if you have multiple networks with the same name 
 but different passwords.
 
 So, it looks like you'll need to attempt to drag your network to the top 
 of the list if you're unable to delete the other networks.  I've found the 
 dragging and dropping in this area to be inconsistent so it may take some 
 effort to do this.  That's why I suggested removing other networks.  If 
 you know the passwords for the other networks, it's easy to re-add them 
 again when you come in contact with them.  remember that new ones get 
 added to the bottom of the list.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
  wrote:
 
> hello, tim, on the 
> wifi prefered control is only for adding new connection on my mac book. 
> or should i create a network? i cant delete the other connections i've 
> connectedOn 27 Apr 2014, at 05:07 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I can't see any good reason why a Bluetooth keyboard should cause you 
>> problems with your WiFi connection.  Apple usually sells the wireless 
>> keyboard by default with most iMacs and other Desktop units so you'd 
>> think that they would have noticed that sort of error.  Regarding 
>> whether you see WiFi networks right away kind of depends on how quickly 
>> you are trying to see them within that menu.  I've seen it take 10 to 15 
>> seconds before that menu is populated with the various WiFi networks 
>> within range.  That all being said, you should still connect to your own 
>> WiFi network pretty well right away, so, try going into System 
>> Preferences, in the Network pane, select WiFi from the Services table, 
>> then press VO-space on the Advanced menu.  There should be a table there 
>> named "preferred Networks".  Interact with it and make sure that your 
>> Home network is listed there.  If it's not listed, then it's not being 
>> remembered properly.  If there are other networks listed before it, then 
>> try moving yours to the top of the list.  Moving it is done with the 
>> Drag & Drop process.  If you have difficulties with the Drag & Drop, 
>> then simply remove the networks that are listed above it.  You can 
>> accomplish this by selecting the network you wish to remove, then 
>>>

Re: internet problems again on mac book pro

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
ok, ill try to change the location of my computer tomorrow, if still persist  
i'll let you know.
On 27 Apr 2014, at 10:21 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I wouldn't necessarily make that conclusion.  It sounds to me like there's 
> interference between Bluetooth and your WiFi signal.  If your router is 
> located in close proximity to your computer, then the two may be interfering 
> with each other.  In some router settings, there is the ability to either 
> change the channel, turn on interference filters and/or a firmware update 
> will fix it.  If it is an older router, then making sure that the router 
> isn't too close to your computer system may help with this sort of issue.  If 
> it's not possible to relocate the router, then look at its settings to see if 
> there's anything you can adjust for radio interference.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:09 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
>> i am using a d link router, and i haven't updated it yet.just wondering 
>> because when i close my bluetooth on my computer my internet connects 
>> automatically on the internet. so i conclude that there's no problem with 
>> the router. i haven't tried to other connection yet. then when my computer 
>> sleeps and my bluetooth is on, my internet automatically disconnect too, so 
>> i have to wait again or reconnect my wifi.
>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 07:03 pm, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Here's the questions that need answered.
>>> 
>>> * What kind of router are you using?
>>> * Is its firmware up-to-date?
>>> * Does this happen if you are at a different location accessing a different 
>>> router?  That is, does it happen everywhere or just on your router at home?
>>> 
>>> You need to determine if it is an issue with the Mac, the MacOS, or the 
>>> other device.
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 ok tim, i only have one internet connection, and the problem is still 
 there, what do you think?any probable cause?
 On 27 Apr 2014, at 07:48 am, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> No, you shouldn't create a new network.  New networks that are added will 
> be placed at the bottom of the list.  Your Mac looks at that list, and 
> they are set in priority order according to their position in the list.  
> So, when your computer awakens, it activates the WiFi controller and goes 
> through that list looking for networks it can join.  If all the ones 
> above yours are not anywhere to be found, then it will usually pick 
> yours.  I have seen it though, where things get a little confused when 
> your network is far down the list or if you have multiple networks with 
> the same name but different passwords.
> 
> So, it looks like you'll need to attempt to drag your network to the top 
> of the list if you're unable to delete the other networks.  I've found 
> the dragging and dropping in this area to be inconsistent so it may take 
> some effort to do this.  That's why I suggested removing other networks.  
> If you know the passwords for the other networks, it's easy to re-add 
> them again when you come in contact with them.  remember that new ones 
> get added to the bottom of the list.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 26, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
>  wrote:
> 
>> hello, tim, on the 
>> wifi prefered control is only for adding new connection on my mac book. 
>> or should i create a network? i cant delete the other connections i've 
>> connectedOn 27 Apr 2014, at 05:07 am, Tim Kilburn  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I can't see any good reason why a Bluetooth keyboard should cause you 
>>> problems with your WiFi connection.  Apple usually sells the wireless 
>>> keyboard by default with most iMacs and other Desktop units so you'd 
>>> think that they would have noticed that sort of error.  Regarding 
>>> whether you see WiFi networks right away kind of depends on how quickly 
>>> you are trying to see them within that menu.  I've seen it take 10 to 
>>> 15 seconds before that menu is populated with the various WiFi networks 
>>> within range.  That all being said, you should still connect to your 
>>> own WiFi network pretty well right away, so, try going into System 
>>> Preferences, in the Network pane, select WiFi from the Services table, 
>>> then press VO-space on the Advanced menu.  There should be a table 
>>> there named "preferred Networks".  Interact with it and make sure that 
>>> your Home network is listed there.  If it's not listed, then it's not 
>>> being remembered properly.  If there are other networks listed before 
>>> it, then try moving yours to th

display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
when i connected my display braille, it was name nippontel seka, but it doesn't 
tell what version it was, and it was listed on 
thehttp://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html

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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Teresa Cochran
It's possible that Os X tried the closest match.

HtH,
teresa

"The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham

On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:

> when i connected my display braille, it was name nippontel seka, but it 
> doesn't tell what version it was, and it was listed on 
> thehttp://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html
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Re: The Amazon App for IOS

2014-04-27 Thread Jessica Moss
I didn't even know they had braille catalogues, or had catalogues at all.  I 
used to get braille ones all the time from schwans, which I loved for a while, 
but eventually had to stop them sense I stopped reading them and they came in 
this huge volume that took forever to page through, but thought it was amazing 
that they offered them.
  I think that's amazing that so many more companies are offering that.  I've 
noticed that as well about amazon's customer service though, but never really 
had trouble with them until I got a hold of someone in the mp3 downloads 
department who had such a heavy accent that I couldn't understand her, and when 
I asked to be transferred to someone else, she hung up on me, which I called 
back and reported while continuing my ongoing issue of trying to get help with 
downloading the files, which was never resolved thanx to cloud player not being 
accessible, and mp3 downloder refusing to work.
On Apr 27, 2014, at 6:35 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi there 
> I got the app on my iPhone and took it off because although I could read the 
> listing of items, if you make the mistake of going to read the recipes, you 
> can't get back to the items listing. My husband could do it without 
> VoiceOver, but no way could I figure out how to get out of the recipe of how 
> to prepare the item so that I could shop some more. I have a friend using 
> Windows who claims that the Amazon site is fully accessible, but I found it a 
> little awkward on my Mac. When I called and was referred to their technical 
> people, I never received a phone call back from them. I was also very 
> disappointed to find out that they don't have braille catalogs any more 
> either. She said she could read me things, but no way did I want to sit on 
> the phone with a reader since I know little about their products. I noticed 
> that even though the customer service lady offered to read things, she sure 
> didn't push it; I don't she wanted to do it anyway. Somebody said yesterday 
> that he was planning to make some brf files of their products. That would be 
> a definite plus. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't use the IPhone app much so can't remember if it does that or not, 
>> but I've had that issue on the Mac which I reported to customer service but 
>> must have talked to the wrong department sense obviously nothing's changed.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 26, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> I don't know how many people use the Amazon app on their I phones, but ever 
>>> since the new IOS, I have difficulty using the Amazon app as I think things 
>>> move on it.  Is that so?  I actually find even on Youplayer things seem to 
>>> move as the screen always refreshes on the I phone and perhaps thinking 
>>> about it, this is happening on Amazon as well.  Thoughts anyone, does 
>>> anyone else find the Amazon app difficult?
>>> 
>>> Thank you.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Jim Gatteys
I have an app called "app delete" which will get rid of the application and all 
associated materials.  I really like it and it was only about 7 dollars or so.  
Its not necessary but it does help clean up unwanted libraries.
Jim
On Apr 27, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Everything I've read so far, for the newer versions, just tells you to throw 
> the app into the Trash to uninstall.  This is done either for sighted users, 
> by dragging it into the Trash or by any user by selecting the app then 
> pressing cmd-delete which is the keyboard shortcut for placing something into 
> the Trash.  In most cases, this is all you ever need to do to uninstall an 
> app on the Mac.  There are cases where you need to delete certain Library 
> and/or System files, but the vast majority of apps can be removed in the 
> manner explained.
> 
> I've not seen cmd-double-click in any situation but that doesn't mean that it 
> doesn't exist.  There is a control-click on an item, which just brings up the 
> Contextual menu like VO-shift-m does where you could choose the "Move to 
> Trash" item.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Robert C  wrote:
> 
>>   I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is how 
>> to properly uninstall the app.
>> 
>>   Here is what I am told to do.
>> 
>> "...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon."
>> 
>>   That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process.
>> 
>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>> "If you feel you have no faults  there's another one."
>> --Unknown
>> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
>> E-mail-
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>> 
>> On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:
>>> press cmd shift + a
>>> 
>>> to open up the application folder if you are on the finder
>>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C  wrote:
>>> 
   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
 double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the 
 Voiceover equivalent? Thanks.
 
   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install.
 
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Re: voice changes after mavericks upgrade

2014-04-27 Thread Shawn Krasniuk
Strange. All I do is go to the voice I don't want and press command+backspace 
on them. I don't go into any folders, I just wait until I hear Voiceover say, 
for example, Samantha.speechvoice and delete it that way. I hope someone else 
can chime in here.

Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook

On Apr 27, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> Thanks, Shawn. I don't know why, perhaps because voice over is on? But when I 
> went into finder as you described, and down to the individual voice folders, 
> the system isn't letting me delete. I get the ding when I try to do that. 
> Even opening a folder and then a subfolder within that folder, e.g. Samantha, 
> and trying to get rid of an individual file, gives me the ding. There must be 
> some setting I have to change somewhere to enable deletions? Wasn't there 
> some change in mountain lion or lion that restricted user access to some 
> folders that had been accessible under earlier versions of osX?
> 
> I am not one who feels particularly comfortable messing in the guts of the 
> system. But deleting various voices that I'm not using or can't use seems 
> harmless enough if I could just get it to work.
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
> motte...@gmail.com
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facebook weirdness

2014-04-27 Thread Jim Gatteys
Hi all!
When I use safari to go on facebook it seems to load a couple of newsfeed 
stories and then that's it.  Not sure what's going on.  Does anybody else have 
this problem?
Thanks,
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Old versions of apps backed up in iTunes and a question

2014-04-27 Thread regina alvarado
I have an iPhone and an iPad. I updated The Weather Channel on my iPhone but 
did not on my iPad. I encrypted backup for both devices and synced them. How 
can I take the older version from backup on; iPad and transfer it to the 
iPhone? I need step-by-step instructions, please. I do not want to lose the old 
version. I have both devices set so apps will not update automatically. Thanks 
for any help you can give me. In the last 2 days, I have learned a whole lot 
about my Mini by reading and playing. Beginning to believe I will become a Mac 
devotee eventually. It sure keeps my old brain active! LOL
Reggie and Allegra  

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Question on Pages application

2014-04-27 Thread Linda Adams
I am using Maverick on my MacBook with, I think, the most current
version of Pages.  In the past, I had no problem using VO-F to search
for text in a document. It seems to work only on the current page, not
the entire document.  Nor can I find a way to easily move from page to
page or to get the search command to work in the whole document.  I also
tried using command-F but, once again, couldn't figure out how to get to
the text itself.
 
Any words of wisdom would be appreciated.  BTW, it works just fine in
the Text Edit application.
 
Linda
 

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Money Reader Not Working

2014-04-27 Thread Brandon Olivares
I just recently got LookTel Money Reader recently. It was working the other 
day, but today it was not for some reason. I tried restarting the app, but 
still nothing. I used TapTapSee instead to identify my money and that worked 
fine, so the camera on my phone seems to be OK.

I just did the latest update of IOS7 last night. Could this have something to 
do with it?

Thanks,
Brandon

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Installing apps

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C
   After uninstalling the app, I am now trying to install it. I must be 
missing a step tho. I open the installer, it brings up the window where 
I drag the app to the app folder. This is where I cannot figure what the 
next step is. I know I should get another dialog that has the install 
button on it. What is that step? Thanks.


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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C
   Yes that would pronbably work under normal circumstances. But I had 
an issue and contacted their tech support who gave me the directions to 
do the uninstall.


   Now to the installation and try again.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Babies have big heads and big eyes, and tiny little bodies with tiny 
little arms and legs. So did the aliens at Roswell! I rest my case.

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On 4/27/2014 1:16 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

According to the RoboForm site, with the newest version, all you need to do is 
put the app into the Trash.  Older versions required you to get rid of some 
files in /Users/Your_Account/Library/Application Support and 
/Users/Your_Account/Library/Preferences.  Apps like this one may need you to 
make sure that you've quit Safari as well as restarted your computer prior to 
doing the re-install.  This kind of app keeps some things running even though 
you've trashed things.  I suggest you both restart the computer and Empty your 
Trash prior to attempting the re-install process.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Robert C  wrote:


   In Windows, sometimes one has to use an UNinstaller to cleanly remove a 
program or there will be problems. And that has happened to me.

   Command delete does remove the progrma from Applicatiions. But its not a 
clean process. I ran into issues trying to install again. Will save it for 
later.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs.
--Partnership for a Drug-Free America
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
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On 4/27/2014 9:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi,

Everything I've read so far, for the newer versions, just tells you to throw 
the app into the Trash to uninstall.  This is done either for sighted users, by 
dragging it into the Trash or by any user by selecting the app then pressing 
cmd-delete which is the keyboard shortcut for placing something into the Trash. 
 In most cases, this is all you ever need to do to uninstall an app on the Mac. 
 There are cases where you need to delete certain Library and/or System files, 
but the vast majority of apps can be removed in the manner explained.

I've not seen cmd-double-click in any situation but that doesn't mean that it doesn't 
exist.  There is a control-click on an item, which just brings up the Contextual menu 
like VO-shift-m does where you could choose the "Move to Trash" item.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Robert C  wrote:


   I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is how to 
properly uninstall the app.

   Here is what I am told to do.

"...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon."

   That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
"If you feel you have no faults  there's another one."
--Unknown
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:

press cmd shift + a

to open up the application folder if you are on the finder
On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C  wrote:


   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the Voiceover 
equivalent? Thanks.

   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new install.

Quote of the nanosecond . . .
Chocolate is good for three things. Two of 'em cannot be
mentioned on public television.
Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
E-mail-
gone.to.da...@gmail.com

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Re: Money Reader Not Working

2014-04-27 Thread Shannon Gerdts

Hello,
   I found this app not working for me last week as well.  However, I 
figured out what changed for me for some reason and that's that I'm now 
having to use the back camera lense instead of the front facing lense which 
I used to use all the time.


Take care,
Shannon Gerdts

-Original Message- 
From: Brandon Olivares

Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:06 PM
To: “Mac Visionaries“
Subject: Money Reader Not Working

I just recently got LookTel Money Reader recently. It was working the other 
day, but today it was not for some reason. I tried restarting the app, but 
still nothing. I used TapTapSee instead to identify my money and that worked 
fine, so the camera on my phone seems to be OK.


I just did the latest update of IOS7 last night. Could this have something 
to do with it?


Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: Money Reader Not Working

2014-04-27 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hello,

Thanks, but I've used the back-facing camera from the start. Is there a way to 
tell it which to use?

Thanks,
Brandon
On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:46 PM, Shannon Gerdts  wrote:

> Hello,
>   I found this app not working for me last week as well.  However, I figured 
> out what changed for me for some reason and that's that I'm now having to use 
> the back camera lense instead of the front facing lense which I used to use 
> all the time.
> 
> Take care,
> Shannon Gerdts
> 
> -Original Message- From: Brandon Olivares
> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2014 9:06 PM
> To: "Mac Visionaries"
> Subject: Money Reader Not Working
> 
> I just recently got LookTel Money Reader recently. It was working the other 
> day, but today it was not for some reason. I tried restarting the app, but 
> still nothing. I used TapTapSee instead to identify my money and that worked 
> fine, so the camera on my phone seems to be OK.
> 
> I just did the latest update of IOS7 last night. Could this have something to 
> do with it?
> 
> Thanks,
> Brandon
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Re: Installing apps

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

It all depends on the app you're installing.  In the case of these kinds of 
apps that you drag or copy to the Applications folder, all that usually needs 
done is opening the app after the copy.  So, once you've placed the app in your 
Applications folder, select it from within that folder and press cmd-o to open 
it.  If anything needs installed elsewhere, the app will do it automatically 
for you.  There are some situations where it may ask you for license info or 
some other things but in many cases, it just installs in the background.  The 
app actually checks upon each startup whether it's the first time it's been 
opened and/or if certain things have been done, thus it won't need to run the 
installation part of things again.

Make sure that you close the .dmg file and eject it so that you don't attempt 
to run the app from that disk image.  Apps behave much better when they are 
running from the Applications folder.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:16 PM, Robert C  wrote:

>   After uninstalling the app, I am now trying to install it. I must be 
> missing a step tho. I open the installer, it brings up the window where I 
> drag the app to the app folder. This is where I cannot figure what the next 
> step is. I know I should get another dialog that has the install button on 
> it. What is that step? Thanks.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> "I don't feel good."
> --Luther Burbank (1849-1926), last words
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Re: How to Uninstall

2014-04-27 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I'm guessing that their support person wasn't totally familiar with the Mac.  
As I mentioned, I expect that he/she meant that you should ctrl-click on the 
app then choose "Move to Trash" from that menu in order to uninstall.  
Command-double-click simply opens the app.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Apr 27, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Robert C  wrote:

>   Yes that would pronbably work under normal circumstances. But I had an 
> issue and contacted their tech support who gave me the directions to do the 
> uninstall.
> 
>   Now to the installation and try again.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> Babies have big heads and big eyes, and tiny little bodies with tiny little 
> arms and legs. So did the aliens at Roswell! I rest my case.
> --William Shatner
> Robert & Annie Yanni ke7nwn
> E-mail-
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> 
> On 4/27/2014 1:16 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> According to the RoboForm site, with the newest version, all you need to do 
>> is put the app into the Trash.  Older versions required you to get rid of 
>> some files in /Users/Your_Account/Library/Application Support and 
>> /Users/Your_Account/Library/Preferences.  Apps like this one may need you to 
>> make sure that you've quit Safari as well as restarted your computer prior 
>> to doing the re-install.  This kind of app keeps some things running even 
>> though you've trashed things.  I suggest you both restart the computer and 
>> Empty your Trash prior to attempting the re-install process.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:58 PM, Robert C  wrote:
>> 
>>>   In Windows, sometimes one has to use an UNinstaller to cleanly remove a 
>>> program or there will be problems. And that has happened to me.
>>> 
>>>   Command delete does remove the progrma from Applicatiions. But its not a 
>>> clean process. I ran into issues trying to install again. Will save it for 
>>> later.
>>> 
>>> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
>>> This is your brain. This is your brain on drugs.
>>> --Partnership for a Drug-Free America
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>>> On 4/27/2014 9:52 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 Hi,
 
 Everything I've read so far, for the newer versions, just tells you to 
 throw the app into the Trash to uninstall.  This is done either for 
 sighted users, by dragging it into the Trash or by any user by selecting 
 the app then pressing cmd-delete which is the keyboard shortcut for 
 placing something into the Trash.  In most cases, this is all you ever 
 need to do to uninstall an app on the Mac.  There are cases where you need 
 to delete certain Library and/or System files, but the vast majority of 
 apps can be removed in the manner explained.
 
 I've not seen cmd-double-click in any situation but that doesn't mean that 
 it doesn't exist.  There is a control-click on an item, which just brings 
 up the Contextual menu like VO-shift-m does where you could choose the 
 "Move to Trash" item.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On Apr 27, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Robert C  wrote:
 
>   I have already done that and found the app What I need to find out is 
> how to properly uninstall the app.
> 
>   Here is what I am told to do.
> 
> "...hold Command key and double click on RoboForm icon."
> 
>   That should bring up a dialog that I need to complete this process.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
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> On 4/27/2014 9:16 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:
>> press cmd shift + a
>> 
>> to open up the application folder if you are on the finder
>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 06:10 pm, Robert C  wrote:
>> 
>>>   I need to uninstall an application. I am told to do a Command and 
>>> double-click the item in Finder, Applications folder. What is the 
>>> Voiceover equivalent? Thanks.
>>> 
>>>   I need to do it this way to get a clean uninstall then try a new 
>>> install.
>>> 
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>>> mentioned on public television.
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sharing success

2014-04-27 Thread Regina Alvarado
Just need to share! I am the editor for Raven Newcastle self published on 
Amazon and Kindle. I had 2 files that were word .doc files which I needed to 
transfer to a memory stick so I could edit with my Apex. Sooo happy with 
myself! I sent the attachments to downloads, copied the files and pasted them 
into my books folder on the memory stick! I know this is a very small thing, 
but for a new Mac Mini user, it is huge. Thank you for letting me share. 
Learned a lot this weekend here, and this success just tops it off.



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Re: Shortcut to Speak Word Count in Any application | Here's How It's Done

2014-04-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Scott, you can get it here.

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Re: Getting Started with AppleScript (was: Shortcut to Speak Word Count in Any application | Here's How It's Done)

2014-04-27 Thread Nicholas Parsons
Phil, if you have some experience with programming or some scripting language 
(e.g. I've done a bit with JavaScript) AppleScript will be really easy to pick 
up once you read through some other people's scripts and get an idea of the 
syntax, objects and commands. For more information on any particular object or 
command, I find the best thing is to Google Apple's AppleScript language guide. 
I've given you the link to their introduction, but it's often easiest to just 
Google what it is you're trying to do and include the terms AppleScript 
language guide. Then once you're on the page just do a VO-F search for the 
particular term you're after.

Another great place to check out is Mac OSX Automation. They have a beginners 
tutorial on AppleScript, as well as more advanced tutorials on using 
AppleScript with iWork. For even more basic stuff, I also came across this 
tutorial  but I didn't read through it very carefully as by that stage I had 
got a handle on the basics.
On 27 Apr 2014, at 10:38 pm, Phil Halton  wrote:

> Nic, where are you getting your applesript training materials? I'd like to 
> get back into programming and could use some good training sources for 
> AppleScript, which looks like it'd be fairly easy to use once the syntax is 
> understood.
> I've looked around in the Applescript editor's help system and that's a good 
> source, but I'm always looking for more and better...
> thanks

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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
theresa, how come that when i read on my display braille it seems like they 
were all underlined? i mean, theres always a two character below
On 27 Apr 2014, at 11:18 pm, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> It's possible that Os X tried the closest match.
> 
> HtH,
> teresa
> 
> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
> 
> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
> wrote:
> 
>> when i connected my display braille, it was name nippontel seka, but it 
>> doesn't tell what version it was, and it was listed on 
>> thehttp://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html
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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C
   You are in 8 dot mode. I suggest you get some training locally so 
you can learn how to work with your braille display.


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On 4/27/2014 9:39 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:

theresa, how come that when i read on my display braille it seems like they 
were all underlined? i mean, theres always a two character below
On 27 Apr 2014, at 11:18 pm, Teresa Cochran  wrote:


It's possible that Os X tried the closest match.

HtH,
teresa

"The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham

On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:


when i connected my display braille, it was name nippontel seka, but it doesn't 
tell what version it was, and it was listed on 
thehttp://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html

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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
we can't do that here in italy, because not all of the blind here use the 
display braille, and they i suppose they dont teach this much here.
On 28 Apr 2014, at 06:51 am, Robert C  wrote:

>   You are in 8 dot mode. I suggest you get some training locally so you can 
> learn how to work with your braille display.
> 
> Quote of the nanosecond . . .
> "Hell is paved with good samaritans."
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> 
> On 4/27/2014 9:39 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:
>> theresa, how come that when i read on my display braille it seems like they 
>> were all underlined? i mean, theres always a two character below
>> On 27 Apr 2014, at 11:18 pm, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's possible that Os X tried the closest match.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> teresa
>>> 
>>> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
>>> 
>>> On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 when i connected my display braille, it was name nippontel seka, but it 
 doesn't tell what version it was, and it was listed on 
 thehttp://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html
 
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Re: display brailles

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C
   Well apparently even fewer people here on this list know anything 
about that display. Where did you get it? You are better off to seek 
support for the display from another source that is more knowledgeable.


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On 4/27/2014 9:54 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:

we can't do that here in italy, because not all of the blind here use the 
display braille, and they i suppose they dont teach this much here.
On 28 Apr 2014, at 06:51 am, Robert C  wrote:


   You are in 8 dot mode. I suggest you get some training locally so you can 
learn how to work with your braille display.

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On 4/27/2014 9:39 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera wrote:

theresa, how come that when i read on my display braille it seems like they 
were all underlined? i mean, theres always a two character below
On 27 Apr 2014, at 11:18 pm, Teresa Cochran  wrote:


It's possible that Os X tried the closest match.

HtH,
teresa

"The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham

On Apr 27, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera  
wrote:


when i connected my display braille, it was name nippontel seka, but it doesn't 
tell what version it was, and it was listed on 
thehttp://www.apple.com/accessibility/osx/braille-display.html

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Re: Installing apps

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C

Tim,
   Regardless of how I do it, I end up at the installer window. There 
are 3 buttons in the group. The app itself, the app folder and the 
uninstall button. I drag the app to the folder and drop it...I think. 
This is where I am stuck.


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Hi,

It all depends on the app you're installing.  In the case of these kinds of 
apps that you drag or copy to the Applications folder, all that usually needs 
done is opening the app after the copy.  So, once you've placed the app in your 
Applications folder, select it from within that folder and press cmd-o to open 
it.  If anything needs installed elsewhere, the app will do it automatically 
for you.  There are some situations where it may ask you for license info or 
some other things but in many cases, it just installs in the background.  The 
app actually checks upon each startup whether it's the first time it's been 
opened and/or if certain things have been done, thus it won't need to run the 
installation part of things again.

Make sure that you close the .dmg file and eject it so that you don't attempt 
to run the app from that disk image.  Apps behave much better when they are 
running from the Applications folder.

HTH.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

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   After uninstalling the app, I am now trying to install it. I must be missing 
a step tho. I open the installer, it brings up the window where I drag the app 
to the app folder. This is where I cannot figure what the next step is. I know 
I should get another dialog that has the install button on it. What is that 
step? Thanks.

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how to skip ads on youtube?

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
can somebody figure out how to skip ads on youtube, because when i tried to 
view short clip on youtube i can just refresh safari to view the video, but 
when i try to view more than 10 minutes, the longer the ads will be displayed, 
even if i refresh safari

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window

2014-04-27 Thread Dionipher Presas Herrera
is it normal to have to have the voice over to say safari has no window, or 
skype has no window? because in my display braille i only see the close botton. 
i just want to quit the program on my display braille, if i can.

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Re: window

2014-04-27 Thread Lisette Wesseling
If your braille display has no keys, you won't be able to do anything but read.
 You will have to use the Mac keyboard to quit apps.

Lisette

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> is it normal to have to have the voice over to say safari has no window, or 
> skype has no window? because in my display braille i only see the close 
> botton. i just want to quit the program on my display braille, if i can.
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Re: window

2014-04-27 Thread Robert C
   I am not sure you understand that you cannot input anything on this 
braille display, you can only read. You need to interact with your Mac 
via its keyboard.


   If you want ability to input using braille, you need to get a 
braille display that has a keyboard, either Qwerty or Perkins style.


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is it normal to have to have the voice over to say safari has no window, or 
skype has no window? because in my display braille i only see the close botton. 
i just want to quit the program on my display braille, if i can.



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