date:20120731

Hello All.

Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one for 
plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my opinion.

People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is 
their right to do so of course.

But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have been 
a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape.

So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send your 
concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work with 
them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and sit and be 
passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If everything was 
plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do something positive.

Kawal.

On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:

> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
> that it gets the job done.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
>> iss about.
>> 
>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>> 
>> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
>> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
>> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
>> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
>> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
>> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
>> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
>> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
>> the significant upgrade is.
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Re: making appointments in 10.8

2012-07-31 Thread Lisette Wesseling


Hi William
I use command plus n exclusively for entering appointments.
In english I write something like
"dinner with x on Friday 3 August at 7 PM."
I write it exactly like that.

It puts everything perfectly into the right places in the calendar. I don't 
know how it would be in Dutch, but you could try something similar. 
Actually, I am Dutch myself but grew up speaking English.
I would be interested if something like "eten met x op Frijdag 3 Augustus om 
1900 uur" would work.

Let me know.

Lisette




- Original Message - 
From: "William Windels" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34 PM
Subject: making appointments in 10.8



Hello,
When I make a new appointment in 10.8, I am trying to type in the title 
field something like appointment 6/08/12 13:00

ON this way, the appointment should start the 6th of august at 13:00.
 Unfortunately, this seems only to work if I use the button to add a new 
appointment not when I press command+n.

This was also in 10.7.
I was wondering If someone is doing it on another way of knows a way that 
it should also work with command+n?


Kind regards,
William Windels

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Re: RSS in ML?

2012-07-31 Thread Mike Busboom

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.  I checked out several different sites and 
everyone confirms that RSS reading capabilities have been scrapped in mail 
under ML, at least for the time being.  A third-party client is apparently the 
way to go.

Best regards to everyone, along with thanks,

Mike

On 30,Jul,2012, at 9:16 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

> +Hi Chris,
> 
> How can one read RSS feeds in Mountain Lion Mail?  That is to say, what are
> the steps to get it to work?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:32 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: RSS in ML?
> 
> You can still read RSS within mail and you can get a Safari extension to put
> the RSS button back onto the toolbar.
> On 30 Jul 2012, at 19:09, Daniel Miller  wrote:
> 
>> RSS feeds are no longer available in Mountain Lion. You'll need 
>> another RSS reader.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Busboom
>> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 1:00 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RSS in ML?
>> 
>> Hello everyone,
>> 
>> I recently installed Mountain Lion and, for the most part, things are
> great.
>> I am having one issue, however, and that is with Mail's RSS facility.
>> 
>> I have been subscribed to several RSS feeds for a long time, and I 
>> have always read them in the Mail program.  Under ML, however, those 
>> mailboxes are no longer visible in my list of mailboxes.  Does anyone 
>> know where, or if, ML moved them to?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Mike
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Re: speakable items

Hi Lisette,

VO actually makes it really easy.  You'll know when it recognizes the phrases 
you speak because it will make a little "whit" sound.  When you get that sound 
consistently after speaking the phrases in the list, you'll know you have it 
calibrated.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi Donna
> But how do you know they have been recognised if you can't see the green 
> light or whatever it says you are supposed to see? Does it repeat them back 
> at you?
> Thanks
> Lisette
> 
> On 31/07/2012, at 3:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get 
>> recognized.  Mine worked best around 60%.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to 
>>> say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate 
>>> things.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Lisette
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread Christopher-Mark gilland


Hear ye, hear ye!

I couldn't agree more.  That mail had me constantly over and over again, 
saying? Drama, drama, drama!


O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but 
that isn't to say I won't eventually.  The point is, give Apple a break for 
God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why 
did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? 
why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do!  In 
other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human.  Just 
because someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible.  They, 
like you and myself are human.  So cut out the bashing please.  I agree. 
It's ok to complain, but do so construtively.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion


Hello All.

Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one 
for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my 
opinion.


People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is 
their right to do so of course.


But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into 
shape.


So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work 
with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and 
sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If 
everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do 
something positive.


Kawal.

On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:


And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
that it gets the job done.

Jim

On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
iss about.

It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.

I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
the significant upgrade is.

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Re: speakable items

2012-07-31 Thread Les Kriegler

Hi Donna,

Okay, can you explain how to calibrate and where to go to accomplish this?  
Thanks.

Les
On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Lisette,
> 
> VO actually makes it really easy.  You'll know when it recognizes the phrases 
> you speak because it will make a little "whit" sound.  When you get that 
> sound consistently after speaking the phrases in the list, you'll know you 
> have it calibrated.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Donna
>> But how do you know they have been recognised if you can't see the green 
>> light or whatever it says you are supposed to see? Does it repeat them back 
>> at you?
>> Thanks
>> Lisette
>> 
>> On 31/07/2012, at 3:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying 
>>> get recognized.  Mine worked best around 60%.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed 
 to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually 
 calibrate things.
 Thanks.
 
 Lisette
 
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Re: speakable objects… very cool!

2012-07-31 Thread Les Kriegler

Okay, I found the calibrate slider.  By default it's set at 100%.  Even when I 
adjust it, I hit the F10 key and hear a tone that means it's not recognized, 
even though I defined it as the key I wished.  So I'm missing something here.

Les
On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Did you restart? That is also helping out it seems. The front window thing is 
> not necessary, it's just nice so you can, for instance, speak the name of a 
> button and have that button activated. For instance, as I type this, a "send" 
> button is somewhere in the dialog. I could just hold down f10 (or whatever 
> key I chose for speakable objects) and say "send" and it would do it. You can 
> find this in the dictation and speech item of system preferences. Go there, 
> select "speakable objects" from the table, vo-right to the three tabs, 
> activate the commands tab, then find the next table. Here you can use the 
> checkboxes in the first column to turn on or off the items in the second. I 
> just turned everything on, but you can turn on and off whatever you like. By 
> the way, the "listening key" tab is where you can change your key. Let us 
> know if you have problems.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
> 
>> I am having intermittent success with this….By intermittent, I mean it 
>> worked for me once.  I remember seeing somebody say that you needed to check 
>> off something about in front windows or applications and saw this once, I 
>> can't, however, find this again.
>> 
>> Can anybody direct me?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Jeff
>> 
>> On 2012-07-30, at 9:07 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi guys
>>> Does anybody know why it makes a difference if you reassigned your key to 
>>> F10 as some people have done already? I haven't done that, and I seem to be 
>>> having a problem at times. What is the reason for reassigning it? Also if 
>>> you have a MacBook Pro, can you use the F10 key by itself without the FN 
>>> key? 
>>> 
>>> Eugenia Firth
>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 This is great info!  I think I'm missing a step, perhaps I've been hacking 
 around too long and I'm suffering from Information Overload.  I went into 
 System preferences and made certain Speakable Items were turned on.  But 
 I'm unable to find the subsequent dialogs you spoke of.  Can you help?  
 Thanks.
 
 Les
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now 
> it is working. Here's what I discovered so far:
> "switch to [app name]" will switch you to an app, provided that app is 
> already running.
> "open [app name]" will open an app not already open, including 
> third-party apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with.
> "what time is it" will speak the current time.
> "what's today's date" will speak the date
> "quit this application" will close the currently focused app; "hide this 
> application" does the same but minimizes it
> There are more commands which you can get to by saying "show me what to 
> say". Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. 
> VO-right to the "collapsed" item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop 
> interacting and move right until you get to the commands list. If nothing 
> else, I love the time and app focusing commands. Also, in the preferences 
> dialog for speakable items, you can enable front window, which lets you 
> speak the name of a control in the currently focused window to be 
> activated or switched to, I'm not sure how that works yet.
> 
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
> 
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread Ray Foret Jr

And it ain't as if there's that much to complain about really.  Sure, sometimes 
VO won't respond to pressing VO+space, and the time line issue; but really, I 
think we're looking at an undercover Apple basher here.  You know the type.  
They get a Mac, give themselves perhaps a few  days with it and expect it to be 
a windows machine.  So, when they find out it's not, they not only take it 
back, they publicly condemn it to all their windows friends.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:15 AM, "Christopher-Mark gilland"  
wrote:

> Hear ye, hear ye!
> 
> I couldn't agree more.  That mail had me constantly over and over again, 
> saying? Drama, drama, drama!
> 
> O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but that 
> isn't to say I won't eventually.  The point is, give Apple a break for God 
> sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why did 
> you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? why 
> don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do!  In other 
> words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human.  Just because 
> someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible.  They, like you 
> and myself are human.  So cut out the bashing please.  I agree. It's ok to 
> complain, but do so construtively.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
> 
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one 
> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my opinion.
> 
> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is 
> their right to do so of course.
> 
> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape.
> 
> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work 
> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and sit 
> and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If 
> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do 
> something positive.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
> 
>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>> that it gets the job done.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
>>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
>>> iss about.
>>> 
>>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
>>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
>>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
>>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
>>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
>>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>>> 
>>> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
>>> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
>>> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
>>> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
>>> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
>>> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
>>> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
>>> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
>>> the significant upgrade is.
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Re: making appointments in 10.8

2012-07-31 Thread William Windels

Hi Lisette,

Thx for the hints.
I have played with your suggestion since I would like also a end-hour for my 
appointment.

What works best until now:
dinner with x on vrijdag 3 August at 20:30-23:15
The only thing that isn't very dutch is the on and the at.

I also think that this system isn't 100% stable. To make shore all the tests 
are workking correctly, I had to close and open again the agenda-app.
I mean: I test something and it works one time but not 2 times until I restart 
the app.
However, I am happy that I know this and, the bugs seems that little so I can 
handle it.

thx for the help,
William Windels
Op 31-jul.-2012, om 11:18 heeft Lisette Wesseling  
het volgende geschreven:

> Hi William
> I use command plus n exclusively for entering appointments.
> In english I write something like
> "dinner with x on Friday 3 August at 7 PM."
> I write it exactly like that.
> 
> It puts everything perfectly into the right places in the calendar. I don't 
> know how it would be in Dutch, but you could try something similar. Actually, 
> I am Dutch myself but grew up speaking English.
> I would be interested if something like

> "eten met x op Vrijdag 3 Augustus om 1900 uur" would work.
> Let me know.
> 
> Lisette
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "William Windels" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:34 PM
> Subject: making appointments in 10.8
> 
> 
>> Hello,
>> When I make a new appointment in 10.8, I am trying to type in the title 
>> field something like appointment 6/08/12 13:00
>> ON this way, the appointment should start the 6th of august at 13:00.
>> Unfortunately, this seems only to work if I use the button to add a new 
>> appointment not when I press command+n.
>> This was also in 10.7.
>> I was wondering If someone is doing it on another way of knows a way that it 
>> should also work with command+n?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> William Windels
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread Brandon Olivares

I agree with you. I love that you can easily share our concerns with the Apple 
accessibility team, while that was all but impossible with JAWS. My wife and I 
are on our second Macs now (changed from Macbook Pro to Macbook Air), and we 
love it. My Pro has lasted twice as long as any other computer I've had, and I 
use my computer probably 16 hours a day since I'm a programmer. Now we'll never 
use anything but Macs.

Brandon
On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:42 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hello All.
> 
> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one 
> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my opinion.
> 
> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is 
> their right to do so of course.
> 
> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape.
> 
> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work 
> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and sit 
> and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If 
> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do 
> something positive.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
> 
>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>> that it gets the job done.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
>>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
>>> iss about.
>>> 
>>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
>>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
>>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
>>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
>>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
>>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>>> 
>>> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
>>> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
>>> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
>>> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
>>> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
>>> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
>>> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
>>> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
>>> the significant upgrade is.
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Re: speakable items

Hi Les,

Open System Prefs.  Type the letter A and you will be taken right to 
accessibility.  Press VO-Space to select.  Press tab to get to the Speakable 
Items.  VO-Arrow to Settings and press VO-Space.  There you'll see Microphone, 
and the default is the internal mic.  Change this if you plan to use an 
external microphone.  Next to that is a Calibrate button.  Press it, and you'll 
see a slider, which you can adjust up and down with the arrow keys.  You'll 
also see a series of phrases that you are to speak to test recognition.  You'll 
know that the mic is calibrated properly when you hear the little whit sound 
whenever you speak one of those phrases.
HTH,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:28 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> 
> Okay, can you explain how to calibrate and where to go to accomplish this?  
> Thanks.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:56 AM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lisette,
>> 
>> VO actually makes it really easy.  You'll know when it recognizes the 
>> phrases you speak because it will make a little "whit" sound.  When you get 
>> that sound consistently after speaking the phrases in the list, you'll know 
>> you have it calibrated.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:33 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna
>>> But how do you know they have been recognised if you can't see the green 
>>> light or whatever it says you are supposed to see? Does it repeat them back 
>>> at you?
>>> Thanks
>>> Lisette
>>> 
>>> On 31/07/2012, at 3:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying 
 get recognized.  Mine worked best around 60%.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling 
  wrote:
 
> How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed 
> to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually 
> calibrate things.
> Thanks.
> 
> Lisette
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Re: speakable objects… very cool!

You don't have to hit the F10 key, you can just start speaking the list of 
phrases.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:40 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Okay, I found the calibrate slider.  By default it's set at 100%.  Even when 
> I adjust it, I hit the F10 key and hear a tone that means it's not 
> recognized, even though I defined it as the key I wished.  So I'm missing 
> something here.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Did you restart? That is also helping out it seems. The front window thing 
>> is not necessary, it's just nice so you can, for instance, speak the name of 
>> a button and have that button activated. For instance, as I type this, a 
>> "send" button is somewhere in the dialog. I could just hold down f10 (or 
>> whatever key I chose for speakable objects) and say "send" and it would do 
>> it. You can find this in the dictation and speech item of system 
>> preferences. Go there, select "speakable objects" from the table, vo-right 
>> to the three tabs, activate the commands tab, then find the next table. Here 
>> you can use the checkboxes in the first column to turn on or off the items 
>> in the second. I just turned everything on, but you can turn on and off 
>> whatever you like. By the way, the "listening key" tab is where you can 
>> change your key. Let us know if you have problems.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am having intermittent success with this….By intermittent, I mean it 
>>> worked for me once.  I remember seeing somebody say that you needed to 
>>> check off something about in front windows or applications and saw this 
>>> once, I can't, however, find this again.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody direct me?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-30, at 9:07 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys
 Does anybody know why it makes a difference if you reassigned your key to 
 F10 as some people have done already? I haven't done that, and I seem to 
 be having a problem at times. What is the reason for reassigning it? Also 
 if you have a MacBook Pro, can you use the F10 key by itself without the 
 FN key? 
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> This is great info!  I think I'm missing a step, perhaps I've been 
> hacking around too long and I'm suffering from Information Overload.  I 
> went into System preferences and made certain Speakable Items were turned 
> on.  But I'm unable to find the subsequent dialogs you spoke of.  Can you 
> help?  Thanks.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now 
>> it is working. Here's what I discovered so far:
>> "switch to [app name]" will switch you to an app, provided that app is 
>> already running.
>> "open [app name]" will open an app not already open, including 
>> third-party apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with.
>> "what time is it" will speak the current time.
>> "what's today's date" will speak the date
>> "quit this application" will close the currently focused app; "hide this 
>> application" does the same but minimizes it
>> There are more commands which you can get to by saying "show me what to 
>> say". Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. 
>> VO-right to the "collapsed" item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop 
>> interacting and move right until you get to the commands list. If 
>> nothing else, I love the time and app focusing commands. Also, in the 
>> preferences dialog for speakable items, you can enable front window, 
>> which lets you speak the name of a control in the currently focused 
>> window to be activated or switched to, I'm not sure how that works yet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: speakable objects… very cool!

Hi Les. 
Some people have reset their keys to f10. However, I left mine alone to the 
default which is the escape key. Mine now seems to be working pretty good, if 
yours truly could remember all the exact to say. I'll get it sooner or later. 
If we get Siri on here one of the days, it may be more forgiving about slipping 
up on words, but I have found that you have to say the exact words on this one. 

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Jul 31, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Alex and Others,
> 
> Okay, I went to System Preferences, Accessibility and found the Speakable 
> Items option.  I checked the 6 options that were available.  I then managed 
> to access the Listening Key and tried a variety of key combinations, but 
> settled on F10 since others seem to be having success with that key.  Now, 
> how do I get these commands to work?  I restarted my system, and when 
> pressing F10, I hear an error tone  I thought I could say "what time is it" 
> anywhere when the system is running?  What am I missing?
> 
> Les
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Did you restart? That is also helping out it seems. The front window thing 
>> is not necessary, it's just nice so you can, for instance, speak the name of 
>> a button and have that button activated. For instance, as I type this, a 
>> "send" button is somewhere in the dialog. I could just hold down f10 (or 
>> whatever key I chose for speakable objects) and say "send" and it would do 
>> it. You can find this in the dictation and speech item of system 
>> preferences. Go there, select "speakable objects" from the table, vo-right 
>> to the three tabs, activate the commands tab, then find the next table. Here 
>> you can use the checkboxes in the first column to turn on or off the items 
>> in the second. I just turned everything on, but you can turn on and off 
>> whatever you like. By the way, the "listening key" tab is where you can 
>> change your key. Let us know if you have problems.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am having intermittent success with this….By intermittent, I mean it 
>>> worked for me once.  I remember seeing somebody say that you needed to 
>>> check off something about in front windows or applications and saw this 
>>> once, I can't, however, find this again.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody direct me?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-30, at 9:07 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys
 Does anybody know why it makes a difference if you reassigned your key to 
 F10 as some people have done already? I haven't done that, and I seem to 
 be having a problem at times. What is the reason for reassigning it? Also 
 if you have a MacBook Pro, can you use the F10 key by itself without the 
 FN key? 
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> This is great info!  I think I'm missing a step, perhaps I've been 
> hacking around too long and I'm suffering from Information Overload.  I 
> went into System preferences and made certain Speakable Items were turned 
> on.  But I'm unable to find the subsequent dialogs you spoke of.  Can you 
> help?  Thanks.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now 
>> it is working. Here's what I discovered so far:
>> "switch to [app name]" will switch you to an app, provided that app is 
>> already running.
>> "open [app name]" will open an app not already open, including 
>> third-party apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with.
>> "what time is it" will speak the current time.
>> "what's today's date" will speak the date
>> "quit this application" will close the currently focused app; "hide this 
>> application" does the same but minimizes it
>> There are more commands which you can get to by saying "show me what to 
>> say". Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. 
>> VO-right to the "collapsed" item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop 
>> interacting and move right until you get to the commands list. If 
>> nothing else, I love the time and app focusing commands. Also, in the 
>> preferences dialog for speakable items, you can enable front window, 
>> which lets you speak the name of a control in the currently focused 
>> window to be activated or switched to, I'm not sure how that works yet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>> 
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Re: VO bug when exiting tables using left navigational gestures or keystrokes

I don't understand. Once you enter a table, you must first stop interacting 
with it before you can move around the rest of the window. What exactly 
happens, and what steps can we use to try to reproduce this problem?
On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:36 AM, Daniel Montalvo  wrote:

> Yes, the subject says it all. I've found out that my VO does not
> respond properly when, once I've entered a table, I try to go back
> using either the VO + left arrow, the single left arrow key with quick
> nav on or the one finger left flick on my trackpad. Before I write to
> apple reporting this issue I would like to know if you've found out
> the same problem. Also it is important to let them know what specific
> kind of tables are the ones which generate the conflict. If somebody
> has done that work before, it would be great that you share it here if
> you want.  If not, I'll keep on researching.
> 
> Thank you all.
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

My response is simple.  If you are not going to report the issues as a bug and 
are unhappy with the Mac.  Then simply don't buy one, or just take your current 
one back if it is under the time limit of being able to get a full refund.  
Failing that, wipe it and stick Windows on the thing.

Bye bye 

Chris 
On 31 Jul 2012, at 12:16, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> And it ain't as if there's that much to complain about really.  Sure, 
> sometimes VO won't respond to pressing VO+space, and the time line issue; but 
> really, I think we're looking at an undercover Apple basher here.  You know 
> the type.  They get a Mac, give themselves perhaps a few  days with it and 
> expect it to be a windows machine.  So, when they find out it's not, they not 
> only take it back, they publicly condemn it to all their windows friends.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:15 AM, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hear ye, hear ye!
>> 
>> I couldn't agree more.  That mail had me constantly over and over again, 
>> saying? Drama, drama, drama!
>> 
>> O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but 
>> that isn't to say I won't eventually.  The point is, give Apple a break for 
>> God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why 
>> did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? 
>> why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do!  In 
>> other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human.  Just 
>> because someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible.  They, 
>> like you and myself are human.  So cut out the bashing please.  I agree. 
>> It's ok to complain, but do so construtively.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one 
>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my opinion.
>> 
>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is 
>> their right to do so of course.
>> 
>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape.
>> 
>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work 
>> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and 
>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If 
>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do 
>> something positive.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
>> 
>>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>>> that it gets the job done.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
 everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
 iss about.
 
 It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
 Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
 Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
 got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
 got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
 better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
 
 I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
 space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
 being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
 how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
 Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
 to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
 us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
 bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
 the significant upgrade is.
 
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more VO weirdness at login

Hi all,

OK, so yesterday I reinstalled ML, and all was well, I had VO back during 
login.  Well, today it's gone again, and I have absolutely no idea why. *sigh*
Best,
Donna

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Re: speakable items

I for some reason didn't have to do the calibration. Although I have a like 
trouble getting things going, once I did, things went fine. Maybe you only have 
to do the calibration thing if the computer is not understanding
consistently. 
Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get 
> recognized.  Mine worked best around 60%.
> Best,
> Donna
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
> wrote:
> 
>> How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to 
>> say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate 
>> things.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Lisette
>> 
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

I have found a number of bugs, and they are all fairly minor, no show stoppers. 
 I am sure many of the bugs were identified by the beta testers, but if Apple 
weighted for every single bug to be squashed then the thing would never get out 
of the door.  instead of bitching, report the issues to Apple.

Let's look at Blackberry for example, where is their Blackberry 10 operating 
system? Oh right, yeah, they are waiting to release it once it is finally 
feature rich and bug free.  See you in 2014 RIM or will it be RIP?

Let's remember that Apple will spend the next 12 months fixing any major issues 
with Mountain Lion, is not just dumped in your lap to never be updated.  So if 
you have concerns or issues, then let Apple know about it directly.

Our energy would be best spent on making VoiceOver great, not tearing it apart.

Narrator for Windows anyone?

Chris 


On 31 Jul 2012, at 11:15, Christopher-Mark gilland  
wrote:

> Hear ye, hear ye!
> 
> I couldn't agree more.  That mail had me constantly over and over again, 
> saying? Drama, drama, drama!
> 
> O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but that 
> isn't to say I won't eventually.  The point is, give Apple a break for God 
> sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why did 
> you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? why 
> don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do!  In other 
> words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human.  Just because 
> someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible.  They, like you 
> and myself are human.  So cut out the bashing please.  I agree. It's ok to 
> complain, but do so construtively.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
> 
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one 
> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my opinion.
> 
> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is 
> their right to do so of course.
> 
> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into shape.
> 
> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work 
> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and sit 
> and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If 
> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do 
> something positive.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
> 
>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>> that it gets the job done.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
>>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
>>> iss about.
>>> 
>>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
>>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
>>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
>>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
>>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
>>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>>> 
>>> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
>>> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
>>> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
>>> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
>>> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
>>> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
>>> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
>>> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
>>> the significant upgrade is.
>>> 
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Re: speakable objects… very cool!

The key you designate is a push-to-tlak key of sorts. You press it down, speak, 
then release it. I don't know if you were doing that or not, but it sounds like 
you were just pressing the key and letting it go. When callibrating, you simply 
speak the phrases until you hear the sound every time (I haven't tried this yet 
but am taking it from a message in a different thread). Let us know how it 
works out.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:18 AM, Les Kriegler  wrote:

> Hi Alex and Others,
> 
> Okay, I went to System Preferences, Accessibility and found the Speakable 
> Items option.  I checked the 6 options that were available.  I then managed 
> to access the Listening Key and tried a variety of key combinations, but 
> settled on F10 since others seem to be having success with that key.  Now, 
> how do I get these commands to work?  I restarted my system, and when 
> pressing F10, I hear an error tone  I thought I could say "what time is it" 
> anywhere when the system is running?  What am I missing?
> 
> Les
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:30 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Did you restart? That is also helping out it seems. The front window thing 
>> is not necessary, it's just nice so you can, for instance, speak the name of 
>> a button and have that button activated. For instance, as I type this, a 
>> "send" button is somewhere in the dialog. I could just hold down f10 (or 
>> whatever key I chose for speakable objects) and say "send" and it would do 
>> it. You can find this in the dictation and speech item of system 
>> preferences. Go there, select "speakable objects" from the table, vo-right 
>> to the three tabs, activate the commands tab, then find the next table. Here 
>> you can use the checkboxes in the first column to turn on or off the items 
>> in the second. I just turned everything on, but you can turn on and off 
>> whatever you like. By the way, the "listening key" tab is where you can 
>> change your key. Let us know if you have problems.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 9:23 PM, Jeff Berwick  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am having intermittent success with this….By intermittent, I mean it 
>>> worked for me once.  I remember seeing somebody say that you needed to 
>>> check off something about in front windows or applications and saw this 
>>> once, I can't, however, find this again.
>>> 
>>> Can anybody direct me?
>>> 
>>> Thx,
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> On 2012-07-30, at 9:07 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi guys
 Does anybody know why it makes a difference if you reassigned your key to 
 F10 as some people have done already? I haven't done that, and I seem to 
 be having a problem at times. What is the reason for reassigning it? Also 
 if you have a MacBook Pro, can you use the F10 key by itself without the 
 FN key? 
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
> Hi Alex,
> 
> This is great info!  I think I'm missing a step, perhaps I've been 
> hacking around too long and I'm suffering from Information Overload.  I 
> went into System preferences and made certain Speakable Items were turned 
> on.  But I'm unable to find the subsequent dialogs you spoke of.  Can you 
> help?  Thanks.
> 
> Les
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I, too, set my speakable objects key to f10, restarted the mac, and now 
>> it is working. Here's what I discovered so far:
>> "switch to [app name]" will switch you to an app, provided that app is 
>> already running.
>> "open [app name]" will open an app not already open, including 
>> third-party apps you install, not just the ones the mac comes with.
>> "what time is it" will speak the current time.
>> "what's today's date" will speak the date
>> "quit this application" will close the currently focused app; "hide this 
>> application" does the same but minimizes it
>> There are more commands which you can get to by saying "show me what to 
>> say". Interact with the table, then interact with the item you want. 
>> VO-right to the "collapsed" item and vo-space on it to expand, then stop 
>> interacting and move right until you get to the commands list. If 
>> nothing else, I love the time and app focusing commands. Also, in the 
>> preferences dialog for speakable items, you can enable front window, 
>> which lets you speak the name of a control in the currently focused 
>> window to be activated or switched to, I'm not sure how that works yet.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>> 
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

You'll agree that it is a big learning curve when you get a Mac. One will only 
succeed if one puts effort in. We are our own enemies. Another thought crossed 
my mind, we want our technology, we pay with it for a few days, then when we 
get board or dissatified, we bash it. Human nature! This is what is happening 
here!

On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:40 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:

> My response is simple.  If you are not going to report the issues as a bug 
> and are unhappy with the Mac.  Then simply don't buy one, or just take your 
> current one back if it is under the time limit of being able to get a full 
> refund.  Failing that, wipe it and stick Windows on the thing.
> 
> Bye bye 
> 
> Chris 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 12:16, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> And it ain't as if there's that much to complain about really.  Sure, 
>> sometimes VO won't respond to pressing VO+space, and the time line issue; 
>> but really, I think we're looking at an undercover Apple basher here.  You 
>> know the type.  They get a Mac, give themselves perhaps a few  days with it 
>> and expect it to be a windows machine.  So, when they find out it's not, 
>> they not only take it back, they publicly condemn it to all their windows 
>> friends.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:15 AM, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hear ye, hear ye!
>>> 
>>> I couldn't agree more.  That mail had me constantly over and over again, 
>>> saying? Drama, drama, drama!
>>> 
>>> O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but 
>>> that isn't to say I won't eventually.  The point is, give Apple a break for 
>>> God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too buggy, why 
>>> did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses Smarty-Pants? 
>>> why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what you! can do!  In 
>>> other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also are human.  Just 
>>> because someone is on the dev beta team does not make them infalible.  
>>> They, like you and myself are human.  So cut out the bashing please.  I 
>>> agree. It's ok to complain, but do so construtively.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello All.
>>> 
>>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one 
>>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my 
>>> opinion.
>>> 
>>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it 
>>> is their right to do so of course.
>>> 
>>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
>>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into 
>>> shape.
>>> 
>>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
>>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work 
>>> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and 
>>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If 
>>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do 
>>> something positive.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
>>> 
 And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
 matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
 amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
 thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
 the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
 view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
 that it gets the job done.
 
 Jim
 
 On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
> iss about.
> 
> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
> 
> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
> to see the point as

Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

So you sold your Mac and gave up on it?  So what now qualifies you to know how 
Mountain Lion and Safari 6 are performing?

I would say web surfing in ML is vastly improved.  I have not heard Safari say 
busy yet, and the rotor is turbo speed in comparison to Lion.  Safari and VO 
see more elements than before and you can easily select text now too.

Granted there are still a couple of minor bugs, but so is JAWS and Window Eyes 
in that arena.

Sorry to be blunt, am just sick to death of people moaning.

Chris 
On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41, James Mannion  wrote:

> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
> that it gets the job done.
> 
> Jim
> 
> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
>> iss about.
>> 
>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>> 
>> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
>> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
>> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
>> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
>> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
>> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
>> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
>> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
>> the significant upgrade is.
>> 
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread Cheree Heppe

Cheree Heppe here:

Designing the architecture for a useable screen reader might be compared to a 
science fiction writer designing a world or universe.  Wha if, though, the 
original architecture of a world or a screen reader required radical changes in 
order to keep pace with advancements unimagined in the original outlay?

Could we as users manage changes that re-mapped how keystrokes accessed 
function?  Could a re-do of command structures be done without truly rocking 
the world views of the users?  Could leaving a structural legacy intact, such 
as maybe keystrokes using three and four keys at a time, a pattern that must 
have sprung from the early beginnings of screen reader access, harm the future 
flexibility or usability of a comman structure architecture?

What if the whole keystroke structure had to be re-done to make it more 
streamlined and to allow for new access?  Could we tolerate that?  Or would we 
be stuck in  some other mode?

If I could design an access model, it might allow screen gestures and tapping 
the way an I-device such as an IPad or IPhone does, with the aded power of the 
key commands and built-in features of a laptop design.

Regards,
Cheree Heppe

Sent from my IPhone 4S

On 31/07/2012, at 5:51, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> You'll agree that it is a big learning curve when you get a Mac. One will 
> only succeed if one puts effort in. We are our own enemies. Another thought 
> crossed my mind, we want our technology, we pay with it for a few days, then 
> when we get board or dissatified, we bash it. Human nature! This is what is 
> happening here!
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:40 PM, Chris Moore  wrote:
> 
>> My response is simple.  If you are not going to report the issues as a bug 
>> and are unhappy with the Mac.  Then simply don't buy one, or just take your 
>> current one back if it is under the time limit of being able to get a full 
>> refund.  Failing that, wipe it and stick Windows on the thing.
>> 
>> Bye bye 
>> 
>> Chris 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 12:16, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> And it ain't as if there's that much to complain about really.  Sure, 
>>> sometimes VO won't respond to pressing VO+space, and the time line issue; 
>>> but really, I think we're looking at an undercover Apple basher here.  You 
>>> know the type.  They get a Mac, give themselves perhaps a few  days with it 
>>> and expect it to be a windows machine.  So, when they find out it's not, 
>>> they not only take it back, they publicly condemn it to all their windows 
>>> friends.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 5:15 AM, "Christopher-Mark gilland" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hear ye, hear ye!

 I couldn't agree more.  That mail had me constantly over and over again, 
 saying? Drama, drama, drama!

 O, K, are there some bugs, yeah, granted I really haven't found any, but 
 that isn't to say I won't eventually.  The point is, give Apple a break 
 for God sake, and before you accuse any beta tester saying, it's too 
 buggy, why did you all let the bugs come through... OK, Mister or Misses 
 Smarty-Pants? why don't we give you the source code to OSX and see what 
 you! can do!  In other words, in less blunt terms, the beta testers also 
 are human.  Just because someone is on the dev beta team does not make 
 them infalible.  They, like you and myself are human.  So cut out the 
 bashing please.  I agree. It's ok to complain, but do so construtively.

 Chris.

 - Original Message - From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:42 AM
 Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

 Hello All.

 Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am 
 one for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my 
 opinion.

 People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it 
 is their right to do so of course.

 But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
 been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into 
 shape.

 So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
 your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product 
 work with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that 
 and sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  
 If everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think 
 to do something positive.

 Kawal.

 On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:

> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
> amounts of tex

VO problem at login solved, I think

Hi all,

I'm posting this for the others of you who said you had trouble getting VO to 
speak at login.

I found that if I booted up my machine and just let it sit there a minute, I 
got an error message pertaining to failure to connect to a Bluetooth audio 
device, and was prompted to stop using headphones. So, I went into my Bluetooth 
settings and deleted all devices. Not sure what caused the problem, but the 
problem seems to have gone away.  So, if this is happening to you, you might 
want to try deleting your Bluetooth devices, and then re-pairing them.
Best,
Donna

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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread Ricardo Walker

Hi,

Keep in mind, not everyone on list was upgrading from lion.  If you were moving 
from snow leopard to mountain lion, I think the upgrade is indeed significant.  
As far as the busy issue you had, I think that is the exception more than the 
norm for those using Safari in Mountain Lion with Voiceover.  I'm not saying 
its never going to happen but, it happens way less for me in ML than in Lion.  
I have to use Windows quite a bit for my A+ studies, and I can remember dozens 
of times where jaws will just stop talking all together for some reason or 
another while browsing using firefox or IE.  Hell, sometimes the browser will 
just freeze so bad, I need to restart the machine. haha.  In those situations, 
I wish I had that force quit you spoke about.  Its nice to not have any 1 app 
crash your whole machine.  I point this out just to say, problems of some sort 
will always exist.  I hope you are reporting your findings to Apple as well as 
to the list.  I'm sure they would find your input valuable.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
> iss about.
> 
> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
> 
> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
> the significant upgrade is.
> 
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anyone ever used winonx?

Hi all,
I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run 
windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't 
work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The main 
site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if anyone 
here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any information 
would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is 
really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow $5 on an 
app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the applications I 
want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance.


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap

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Re: vo space bar to selecting links or opening attachments, in mountain lion, assistance please

2012-07-31 Thread Tim Kilburn

Hi,

In some situations I've found that you need to use VO-shift-m to bring up the 
Contextual menu on the link then choose Open Link.  VIPs are a new feature in 
Mail whereby specific people are identified as important to you and are thus 
labeled as VIPs.  I'm guessing that you've pressed something to tell Mail that 
someone is a VIP.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-07-30, at 9:54 PM, Sharon Ballantyne  wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> In a message in which I have already made the message body interactive vo 
> space bar is not opening a link. Voice over is saying URL detected but won't 
> open. The same thing is happening for attachments i am trying to open.
> 
> Instead of the link or attachment opening I am getting a read button  and a 
> few other choices of buttons.
> 
> I am also sort of stumbling across something that is saying V I P but I do 
> not know what that is all about.
> 
> Is there some sort of check box or something I have missed in preferences or 
> something.
> 
> Sorry for my ignorance, any help appreciated.
> 
> I am using regular mail for Mac.
> 
> Thank-you so much.
> 
> Peace and Positivity,
> 
> Sharon
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread David Tanner

I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out 
we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff, 
but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and 
energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should just jump into their 
minds how to do everything.


Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain 
Lion and study those and learn before complaining.


- Original Message - 
From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion


Hello All.

Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one 
for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my 
opinion.


People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is 
their right to do so of course.


But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have 
been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into 
shape.


So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send 
your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work 
with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and 
sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If 
everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do 
something positive.


Kawal.

On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:


And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
that it gets the job done.

Jim

On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:

Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
iss about.

It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.

I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
the significant upgrade is.

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RE: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread Missy Hoppe

Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely 
baffled by the original post and those who
supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, and 
I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, 
knowing that updates would come along and fix the
problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going to 
enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, 
almost everything I hated about lion has been
fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my 
external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can 
recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are 
definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the 
exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I just 
had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about 
using my mac now.
Missy

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of David Tanner
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and 
energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
just jump into their minds how to do everything.

Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain Lion 
and study those and learn before complaining.

- Original Message -
From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

Hello All.

Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
opinion.

People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is
their right to do so of course.

But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
shape.

So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
something positive.

Kawal.

On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:

> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
> that it gets the job done.
>
> Jim
>
> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
>> iss about.
>>
>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>>
>> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
>> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features
>> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows
>> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you keep
>> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I fail
>> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to
>> us. I hate to be so negative, but considering how many people were
>> bashing Lion which didn't have that many problems, I fail to see where
>> the significant upgrade is.
>>
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Re: anyone ever used winonx?

2012-07-31 Thread Becky Knaub

Hi Alex,
I have never heard of it or tried it.   If you try it will you let us know how 
it works. I am wondering how well DBT would work with it so that is why I am so 
curious.

Becky and Ceil
On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Hi all,
> I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you run 
> windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it doesn't 
> work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work fine. The 
> main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I wondered if 
> anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any 
> information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, 
> as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to 
> blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the 
> applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
> 
> 
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

I'd like to mention web browsing. I use chrome, not safari, but I find the 
speed improvements in navigation amazing. In fact, it is as responsive now as 
windows is on webpages, which I thought would never happen. I've been on 
windows for years and had a horrible time getting used to the mac over the last 
year, but now I literally turn on windows only for games. I never thought I 
would do that, but the combination of ML, using Serena with vo, and learning 
some really helpful commands has turned me into a shameless apple fanboy.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:38 AM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:

> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely 
> baffled by the original post and those who
> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, 
> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, 
> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going 
> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, 
> almost everything I hated about lion has been
> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my 
> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can 
> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are 
> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the 
> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I 
> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about 
> using my mac now.
> Missy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
> 
> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
> we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and 
> energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
> just jump into their minds how to do everything.
> 
> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain 
> Lion and study those and learn before complaining.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
> 
> 
> Hello All.
> 
> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
> opinion.
> 
> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is
> their right to do so of course.
> 
> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
> shape.
> 
> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
> something positive.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
> 
>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>> that it gets the job done.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
>>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
>>> iss about.
>>> 
>>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
>>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
>>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
>>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
>>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
>>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>>> 
>>> I already had been very unimpress

Re: Blackboard Question

2012-07-31 Thread Becky Knaub

Hi Les,
No Omniweb isn't in the app store. I googled it and it came right up.I don't 
have the link on hand but there might be someone else who does. If so hopefully 
they'll chime in. As for the frames, it works pretty well. I could access all 
of the discussion board including all posts. You do have to fiddle with it 
sometimes. Sometimes using quick nab worked best and other times you could get 
away with not using it. Hope this helps.

Becky and Ceil
On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:05 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:

> Hi Becky,
> 
> Thanks for this.  I assume I would search for Omniweb, or is it in the App 
> Store?  Also, were you able to read the framed text I mentioned?
> 
> Les
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:41 PM, Becky Knaub  wrote:
> 
>> Les,
>> When I used Blackboard with my Mac I used Omniweb since safari would 
>> continuously say busy and just gave me a lot of trouble. It worked much 
>> better in Omniweb.I would suggest you try that and see if it works better. 
>> If you are using ML I am not sure how it'll be but with Lion it worked 
>> really well.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Becky and Ceil
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> 
 I have a student who's trying to use Safari on the Blackboard online 
 learning system. In the "Discussion Board" section, we are unable to read 
 plain text in a thread because the text is framed. I'm not sure if it's 
 possible to remove the frame or somehow navigate the frame.
 
 Please let me know if this is possible.
 
 Les
 Sent from my iPhone, please forgive typographical errors!
 
 On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
 
> Blaise, lots of useful links here where you can get loads of material for 
> using the Mac.  I'd encourage you to get whatever you feel is 
> appropriate, see below.
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Esther 
>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>> Date: July 29, 2012 2:27:27 PM EDT
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> Hello Gigi and Others,
>> 
>> There is a VoiceOver downloads page that gives a link to the Lighthouse 
>> for the Blind in San Francisco, but so far it has not been updated for 
>> Mountain Lion.  So the links for downloading the VoiceOver Getting 
>> Started Guide in a web browser, and also to the electronic braille 
>> version in .brf format, still point to Lion.  As far as I can tell, 
>> versions for Mountain Lion have yet been prepared on these sites.  At 
>> some point this page should be updated, but right now it points to Lion 
>> versions:
>> http://www.apple.com/accessibility/voiceover/downloads.html
>> 
>> It might help your friend to review some of the Vision Australia 
>> podcasts on working with VoiceOver.   Also, you can check the AppleVis 
>> Guides section:
>> http://www.applevis.com/guides
>> • "A Guide to Making the Switch from Using a Windows Screen Reader to 
>> VoiceOver On a Mac"
>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/guide-making-switch-using-windows-screen-reader-voiceover-mac
>> • "VoiceOver Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X"
>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-keyboard-shortcuts-mac-os-x
>> • "General Keyboard Shortcuts for Mac OS X"
>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/general-keyboard-shortcut-commands-mac-os-x
>> • "VoiceOver Gestures for Use with a Multi-Touch TrackPad on Mac OS X"
>> http://www.applevis.com/guides/voiceover-gestures-use-multi-touch-trackpad-mac-os-x
>> 
>> Incidentally, web versions of the "VoiceOver Getting Started" guides for 
>> Mountain Lion in many different languages seem to be up,  I'm a little 
>> puzzled why William didn't automatically get this by arrowing down to 
>> the last element of the VoiceOver help menu (brought up with VO-H).  I 
>> don't have Mountain Lion installed yet, so I can't check the language 
>> localizations from the loaded packages, but the general rule for 
>> Mountain Lion seems to be that you append the language localization code 
>> to the web address.  So you start with "help.apple.com", slash, 
>> "voiceover", slash, "info", slash, "guide", slash, "10.8", slash, and 
>> then add your localization code. If you don't add a localization, it 
>> defaults to English, and resolves to an ending of 
>> "English.lproj/index.html". This is:
>> http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/index.html
>> 
>> In general, most language localization codes are two letters, followed 
>> by a period and the five letter word "lproj" and end with a slash, or a 
>> slash followed by "index.html" (either should work). But the older way 
>> is to type out the language, such as "Dutch" and "German" and "English", 
>> so it's a bit confusing that you use "German.lproj" or "Dutch.lproj" 
>

Re: anyone ever used winonx?

Certainly I will let you know. I might just bite the bullet and give it a shot, 
as this game developer says a couple of his games work, so that's something. I 
don't know if a large program like dbt would work, and I don't have a copy to 
try out. For what it's worth, the project is based on the Wine project, which 
aims to make windows programs useable on linux machines.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Becky Knaub  wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> I have never heard of it or tried it.   If you try it will you let us know 
> how it works. I am wondering how well DBT would work with it so that is why I 
> am so curious.
> 
> Becky and Ceil
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you 
>> run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it 
>> doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work 
>> fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I 
>> wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for 
>> you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on 
>> the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't 
>> want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it 
>> helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks 
>> in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>> 
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Re: Blackboard Question

2012-07-31 Thread Becky Knaub

Have you tried the vo and F to search for the start of the page such as 
searching for sort. Sometimes that works. If not what about setting the rotor 
for static text and using VO and U to see if it would pick it up that way. It'd 
be a bit of a pain but it might work.

Becky
On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Is the only thing you have tried tabbing? I normally arrow to where I want, 
> or use navigation keys to get there. Once I find the frame, I interact 
> (vo-shift-down arrow). You may not have tab set to interact automatically, 
> which could be the problem.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Harry, the issue we are dealing with now is on the Discussions Board.  There 
>> is a content frame with text that must be read.  I cannot tab to this frame, 
>> no speech is given from within the Discussion Board.  Text is visible on the 
>> screen, but I cannot figure out how to access it.  Do you have any specific 
>> suggestions on how to access content within this frame?  Thanks.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>> 
>>> Les,
>>> 
>>> I successfully use VO with Safari and Blackboard all of the time.  It is a 
>>> good idea to change the settings to "Text only," or "Plain text," I'm not 
>>> sure how it words it.  It will be under "Personalization" or something like 
>>> that.  I just graduated this May and am starting another program this fall, 
>>> so I don't have an active Blackboard account to look at at the moment.
>>> 
>>> I do hope this helps, however.
>>> 
>>> Please note that Safari has never given me any problems.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Harry
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 2:28 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Alex,
 
 The user must log in, otherwise that would be a great idea.  Thanks.
 
 Les
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> I'm not sure, in that case. I never had much luck with blackboard, but 
> haven't had to use it for about three years, so they may have improved 
> things since I was forced to endure it. I do know that they optimized it 
> for Internet Explorer, so maybe it is something in Safari? You said you 
> could see the text visually, which is odd as vo seems to not see it. Is 
> there any way you could give us a link, or does the page require the user 
> to log in?
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 4:07 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alex,
>> 
>> I think we tried interacting with the frame, and still could not read 
>> the text.  I should mention that when I tabbed over and highlighted the 
>> text in the frame, VO did not inform me of any text, so this is why I'm 
>> figuring we have a problem.
>> 
>> Les
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:20 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Have the student interact with the frame, and all should work as 
>>> expected. Don't forget to stop interacting when you are done reading 
>>> the text, or vo will keep navigating only what is inside the frame. You 
>>> can change this in the vo utility (vo-f8) if you want to, under the web 
>>> tab of the navigation category I believe.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>>> 
> I have a student who's trying to use Safari on the Blackboard online 
> learning system. In the "Discussion Board" section, we are unable to 
> read plain text in a thread because the text is framed. I'm not sure 
> if it's possible to remove the frame or somehow navigate the frame.
> 
> Please let me know if this is possible.
> 
> Les
> Sent from my iPhone, please forgive typographical errors!
> 
> On Jul 29, 2012, at 6:13 PM, Les Kriegler  
> wrote:
> 
>> Blaise, lots of useful links here where you can get loads of 
>> material for using the Mac.  I'd encourage you to get whatever you 
>> feel is appropriate, see below.
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Esther 
>>> Subject: Re: userguide vor voiceover in 10.8, help pls!
>>> Date: July 29, 2012 2:27:27 PM EDT
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Reply-To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> Hello Gigi and Others,
>>> 
>>> There is a VoiceOver downloads page that gives a link to the 
>>> Lighthouse for the Blind in San Francisco, but so far it has not 
>>> been updated for Mountain Lion.  So the links for downloading the 
>>> VoiceOver Getting Started Guide in a web browser, and also to the 
>>> electronic braille version in .brf format, still point to Lion.  As 
>>> far as I can tell, versions for Mountain Lion have yet been 
>>> prepared on these sites.  At some point this page should be 
>>> updated, but right now it points to Lion versions:
>>> http://www.apple.com/acces

Re: what's the story with Menu Tab for Facebook?

2012-07-31 Thread Ed Worrell

Hello, I am using Friendly for Facebook. I have been looking for a accessible 
iPhone Facebook app, to no luck. Then I started to look at apps on the Mac, and 
I dove into Friendly for Facebook, and it is a great app so far.

Ed
On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:19 PM, Shawn Krasniuk  wrote:

> Hi Alex, I don't know why it's not working for you but it works for me. When 
> I press my designated hotkey for it to open, which is control+F, I can see 
> pretty much everything on my Facebook. I even have Growl configured to tell 
> me if there's a new notification. Perhaps you might want to set up a hotkey 
> to open it yourself. Although, I would be interested in finding out if 
> there's a better program than this, I would like to be able to have news 
> feeds from friends and companies that I've liked automatically read out to me.
> 
> Shawn
> Sent from my white Mac Book
> 
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

Safari is much better now an it was under Lion. I believe in all the platforms 
although at home I only use windows for Scanning, the occasional web site if 
Safari can't handle it. I'm no wiz on the Mac but one can only do their best 
and I learn something new using the Mac all the time. I am using windows at 
work because I havea no choice as I'm a braille transcriber.

Kawal.

On 31 Jul 2012, at 03:43 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I'd like to mention web browsing. I use chrome, not safari, but I find the 
> speed improvements in navigation amazing. In fact, it is as responsive now as 
> windows is on webpages, which I thought would never happen. I've been on 
> windows for years and had a horrible time getting used to the mac over the 
> last year, but now I literally turn on windows only for games. I never 
> thought I would do that, but the combination of ML, using Serena with vo, and 
> learning some really helpful commands has turned me into a shameless apple 
> fanboy.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:38 AM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
> 
>> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely 
>> baffled by the original post and those who
>> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion, 
>> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
>> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it, 
>> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
>> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going 
>> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
>> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell, 
>> almost everything I hated about lion has been
>> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my 
>> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
>> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can 
>> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
>> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are 
>> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
>> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the 
>> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
>> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
>> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I 
>> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
>> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about 
>> using my mac now.
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
>> we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
>> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and 
>> energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
>> just jump into their minds how to do everything.
>> 
>> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain 
>> Lion and study those and learn before complaining.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
>> opinion.
>> 
>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it is
>> their right to do so of course.
>> 
>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
>> shape.
>> 
>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
>> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
>> something positive.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
>> 
>>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>>> that it gets the job done.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
 everyone

keyboards

2012-07-31 Thread Wayne Coles

hello list is there a full size wireless keyboard that has home and end keys 
and if yes could you please send me the link   

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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me
who's writing this email on a PC.

Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in
Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How
do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few
paragraphs?

And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am
trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I
can write HTML and XML files.



On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely
> baffled by the original post and those who
> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion,
> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it,
> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going
> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell,
> almost everything I hated about lion has been
> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my
> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can
> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are
> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the
> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I
> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about
> using my mac now.
> Missy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>
> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
> we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and
> energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
> just jump into their minds how to do everything.
>
> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain
> Lion and study those and learn before complaining.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>
>
> Hello All.
>
> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
> opinion.
>
> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it
> is
> their right to do so of course.
>
> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
> shape.
>
> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
> something positive.
>
> Kawal.
>
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
>
>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>> that it gets the job done.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
>>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
>>> iss about.
>>>
>>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
>>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
>>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever
>>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I
>>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the
>>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit.
>>>
>>> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the VO
>>> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the feat

Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

I am using my I phone at present. I don't have a PC at home only Fusion. So I 
am very reliant on Apple E-mail which works great thanks to a Beta tester I 
know as the person gave valuable input so we can all have excellent mail on the 
Mac Ah men!

Kawal. 

On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:09 PM, David Eagle  wrote:

> For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me
> who's writing this email on a PC.
> 
> Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in
> Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How
> do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few
> paragraphs?
> 
> And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am
> trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I
> can write HTML and XML files.
> 
> 
> 
> On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely
>> baffled by the original post and those who
>> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion,
>> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
>> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it,
>> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
>> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going
>> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
>> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell,
>> almost everything I hated about lion has been
>> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my
>> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
>> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can
>> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
>> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are
>> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
>> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the
>> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
>> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
>> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I
>> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
>> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about
>> using my mac now.
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
>> we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
>> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and
>> energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
>> just jump into their minds how to do everything.
>> 
>> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain
>> Lion and study those and learn before complaining.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
>> opinion.
>> 
>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it
>> is
>> their right to do so of course.
>> 
>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
>> shape.
>> 
>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
>> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
>> something positive.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
>> 
>>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>>> that it gets the job done.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
 everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
 iss about.
 
 It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
 Safari, and all it took was actually trying

Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

I don't know about selecting text, but why not just use textedit for 
programming? I haven't found a way to get vo to report indentation 
automatically, but I don't think you will have any problems aside from that.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle  wrote:

> For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me
> who's writing this email on a PC.
> 
> Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in
> Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How
> do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few
> paragraphs?
> 
> And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am
> trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I
> can write HTML and XML files.
> 
> 
> 
> On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely
>> baffled by the original post and those who
>> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion,
>> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
>> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it,
>> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
>> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going
>> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
>> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell,
>> almost everything I hated about lion has been
>> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my
>> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
>> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can
>> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
>> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are
>> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
>> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the
>> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
>> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
>> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I
>> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
>> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about
>> using my mac now.
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
>> we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
>> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and
>> energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
>> just jump into their minds how to do everything.
>> 
>> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain
>> Lion and study those and learn before complaining.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
>> opinion.
>> 
>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it
>> is
>> their right to do so of course.
>> 
>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
>> shape.
>> 
>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
>> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
>> something positive.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
>> 
>>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>>> that it gets the job done.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
 everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement
 iss about.
 
 It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for
 Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo
 Fantasy Baseball

Re: keyboards

2012-07-31 Thread chris hallsworth


Does the Apple Wireless keyboard have these keys? If not I stand corrected.
- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Coles" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:56 PM
Subject: keyboards


hello list is there a full size wireless keyboard that has home and end 
keys and if yes could you please send me the link


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Re: dictation success!

Can I just ask, are we saying with ML you can ask it what day etc it is, if so, 
in what manner…? I thought ML only had dictation available in it at this time?


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On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:23, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a 
> Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. And, my air 
> conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
>> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't 
>> support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. 
>> In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing 
>> speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already 
>> am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, 
>> dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling 
>> fan going in the background.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: dictation success!

sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, 
how does one ask what day it is etc?


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On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:

> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". You 
> can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking 
> them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like 
> dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is the other 
> part that accepts commands for system operations.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that 
>> effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and 
>> not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks 
>> for your patience guys. 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table 
>>> and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using 
>>> a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the 
>>> input source to be that USB microphone.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, 
 would love to try it out. Thanks. 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into 
> a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. And, my 
> air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
>> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't 
>> support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really 
>> well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that 
>> amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than 
>> I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, 
>> however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that 
>> there's a ceiling fan going in the background.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: dictation success!

What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs 
you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands 
tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, 
> but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". 
>> You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by 
>> speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, 
>> it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is 
>> the other part that accepts commands for system operations.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
>>> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
>>> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us 
>>> yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table 
 and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are 
 using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set 
 the input source to be that USB microphone.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, 
> would love to try it out. Thanks. 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into 
>> a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. And, my 
>> air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
>> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
>>> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't 
>>> support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really 
>>> well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that 
>>> amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person 
>>> than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I 
>>> did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that 
>>> there's a ceiling fan going in the background.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: anyone ever used winonx?

2012-07-31 Thread Chris Blouch

Nope, and I wonder what they have that the others don't? Depending on 
how much you value your time, it might be better just paying a bit more 
for Fusion (about $40) which has an accessible UI and there are a lot of 
tips in this email archive on making it work well with Jaws/VO. You can 
also play with Virtualbox which is free. The GUI is not accessible with 
voiceover but it has a full command line interface which you can use 
from terminal:


http://andunix.net/info/virtualbox/cli

CB

On 7/31/12 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let 
you run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews 
say it doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer 
games work fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store 
link seems good. I wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if 
so, how it worked for you. Any information would be great. Mostly I 
want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is really all I use 
windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow $5 on an app that 
won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, the applications I 
want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks in advance.



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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread Matthew Campbell

Hi.
To select text, use standard OS X text selection commands. All of these can be 
found in the ""various help files.""


On 2012-07-31, at 11:16 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> I don't know about selecting text, but why not just use textedit for 
> programming? I haven't found a way to get vo to report indentation 
> automatically, but I don't think you will have any problems aside from that.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle  wrote:
> 
>> For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me
>> who's writing this email on a PC.
>> 
>> Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in
>> Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How
>> do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few
>> paragraphs?
>> 
>> And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am
>> trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I
>> can write HTML and XML files.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>>> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely
>>> baffled by the original post and those who
>>> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion,
>>> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
>>> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it,
>>> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
>>> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going
>>> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
>>> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell,
>>> almost everything I hated about lion has been
>>> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my
>>> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
>>> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can
>>> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
>>> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are
>>> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
>>> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the
>>> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
>>> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
>>> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I
>>> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
>>> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about
>>> using my mac now.
>>> Missy
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>>> 
>>> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
>>> we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
>>> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and
>>> energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
>>> just jump into their minds how to do everything.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain
>>> Lion and study those and learn before complaining.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello All.
>>> 
>>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
>>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
>>> opinion.
>>> 
>>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it
>>> is
>>> their right to do so of course.
>>> 
>>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
>>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
>>> shape.
>>> 
>>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
>>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
>>> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
>>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
>>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
>>> something positive.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
>>> 
 And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
 matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
 amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
 thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
 the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
 view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
 that it gets the job done.
 
 Jim
 
 On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> Been reading all these posts the last f

Re: keyboards

2012-07-31 Thread Chris Blouch

The Apple one does not and instead overloads the arrow keys for this 
with the function key.


CB

On 7/31/12 11:23 AM, chris hallsworth wrote:
Does the Apple Wireless keyboard have these keys? If not I stand 
corrected.

- Original Message - From: "Wayne Coles" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:56 PM
Subject: keyboards


hello list is there a full size wireless keyboard that has home and 
end keys and if yes could you please send me the link


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Re: dictation success!

I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!

I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
command key and restarting nothing happens.

what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?

thanks for any hands on practical usage info.


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On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:

> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the 
> tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the 
> commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, 
>> but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". 
>>> You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by 
>>> speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, 
>>> it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is 
>>> the other part that accepts commands for system operations.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
 that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
 today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us 
 yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table 
> and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are 
> using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and 
> set the input source to be that USB microphone.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
>> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, 
>> would love to try it out. Thanks. 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking 
>>> into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. 
>>> And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
>>> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
 microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't 
 support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really 
 well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that 
 amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person 
 than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I 
 did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that 
 there's a ceiling fan going in the background.
 
 
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Re: anyone ever used winonx?

Thanks, I might have a look at virtualbox, I didn't know it was free. The 
advantage to winonx is that you don't need windows, just the windows program 
you want to run, so no licenses or million-character codes to mess with. I 
don't think I even have my windows code anymore, so I couldn't authorize a vm.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> Nope, and I wonder what they have that the others don't? Depending on how 
> much you value your time, it might be better just paying a bit more for 
> Fusion (about $40) which has an accessible UI and there are a lot of tips in 
> this email archive on making it work well with Jaws/VO. You can also play 
> with Virtualbox which is free. The GUI is not accessible with voiceover but 
> it has a full command line interface which you can use from terminal:
> 
> http://andunix.net/info/virtualbox/cli
> 
> CB
> 
> On 7/31/12 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you 
>> run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it 
>> doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work 
>> fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good. I 
>> wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked for 
>> you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on 
>> the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't 
>> want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it 
>> helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks 
>> in advance.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
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Re: VO bug when exiting tables using left navigational gestures or keystrokes

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel

Hi Alex:

I forgot to mention that it happens in Safari only, where it is not necessary 
to interact. What I do to reproduce the bug is the following:


1. Go to a web page that has tables.
2. Get to one of them by using the VO command for next or previous table.
3. Move through   the table using the apropiate commands.
4. Try to exit the table by using VO + left arrow, the left arrow when quick 
nav is on or the one finger  left flick in the trackpad.

What sometimes happens to me is that VO is not able to exit the table. It says 
"Beginning of row" and it's not able to go back. The only way I manage to go 
back is by hiting Shift + Tab, which leaves me in the previous focussable item.

Well, if you want give it a try.


El 31/07/2012, a las 14:38, Alex Hall  escribió:

> I don't understand. Once you enter a table, you must first stop interacting 
> with it before you can move around the rest of the window. What exactly 
> happens, and what steps can we use to try to reproduce this problem?
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 4:36 AM, Daniel Montalvo  wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the subject says it all. I've found out that my VO does not
>> respond properly when, once I've entered a table, I try to go back
>> using either the VO + left arrow, the single left arrow key with quick
>> nav on or the one finger left flick on my trackpad. Before I write to
>> apple reporting this issue I would like to know if you've found out
>> the same problem. Also it is important to let them know what specific
>> kind of tables are the ones which generate the conflict. If somebody
>> has done that work before, it would be great that you share it here if
>> you want.  If not, I'll keep on researching.
>> 
>> Thank you all.
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Re: dictation success!

Neal,

Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps to 
hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in system 
prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's in 
Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is listen 
when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
HTH,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
> 
> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
> command key and restarting nothing happens.
> 
> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?
> 
> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
>> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the 
>> tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the 
>> commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, 
>>> but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". 
 You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by 
 speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, 
 it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects 
 is the other part that accepts commands for system operations.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us 
> yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
>> table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you 
>> are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences 
>> and set the input source to be that USB microphone.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, 
>>> would love to try it out. Thanks. 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking 
 into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. 
 And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
 I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac 
> doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still 
> doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, 
> paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an 
> even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate 
> this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two 
> sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the 
> background.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
> 
> 
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Re: dictation success!

Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. 
I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have 
to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call 
out, "Alex, what time is it" and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit 
something.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
> 
> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
> command key and restarting nothing happens.
> 
> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?
> 
> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
>> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the 
>> tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the 
>> commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, 
>>> but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". 
 You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by 
 speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, 
 it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects 
 is the other part that accepts commands for system operations.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us 
> yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
>> table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you 
>> are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences 
>> and set the input source to be that USB microphone.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, 
>>> would love to try it out. Thanks. 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>>> 
 Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking 
 into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. 
 And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
 I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac 
> doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still 
> doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, 
> paired with that amazing speakable items feature, will make me an 
> even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate 
> this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two 
> sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the 
> background.
> 
> 
> Have a great day,
> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
> 
> 
> -- 
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>>

Re: dictation success!

Donna,

I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can 
cause issues for obvious reasons…

I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work every 
now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the 
constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, 
rather floats my boat…

neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.

thanks.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199



On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Neal,
> 
> Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps to 
> hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in system 
> prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's in 
> Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is 
> listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
> HTH,
> Donna
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
>> 
>> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
>> command key and restarting nothing happens.
>> 
>> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?
>> 
>> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
>>> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the 
>>> tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the 
>>> commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, 
 but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 
 
 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". 
> You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by 
> speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech 
> recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and 
> speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system 
> operations.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
>> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
>> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded 
>> us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
>>> table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you 
>>> are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences 
>>> and set the input source to be that USB microphone.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
 I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, 
 would love to try it out. Thanks. 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
 
> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking 
> into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. 
> And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
>

Re: dictation success!

2012-07-31 Thread Red.Falcon

Hi there!
Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice 
this should be helpful!
Colin
And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on 
snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then!
Colin

On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:

> Donna,
> 
> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can 
> cause issues for obvious reasons…
> 
> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work 
> every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the 
> constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, 
> rather floats my boat…
> 
> neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Neal,
>> 
>> Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps to 
>> hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in system 
>> prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's in 
>> Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is 
>> listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
>>> 
>>> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
>>> command key and restarting nothing happens.
>>> 
>>> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?
>>> 
>>> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
 accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the 
 tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the 
 commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
>> iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog 
>> just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech 
>> recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and 
>> speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system 
>> operations.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
>>> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
>>> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded 
>>> us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
 table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If 
 you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound 
 preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into 
> dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks. 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23

Re: dictation success!

Colin,

I did not, but, is this accessible?


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199



On 31 Jul 2012, at 17:10, Red.Falcon  wrote:

> Hi there!
> Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice 
> this should be helpful!
> Colin
> And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on 
> snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then!
> Colin
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can 
>> cause issues for obvious reasons…
>> 
>> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work 
>> every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the 
>> constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, 
>> rather floats my boat…
>> 
>> neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Neal,
>>> 
>>> Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps 
>>> to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in 
>>> system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's 
>>> in Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is 
>>> listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
>>> HTH,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
 
 I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing 
 the command key and restarting nothing happens.
 
 what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I 
 nominate?
 
 thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 
 
 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select 
> the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to 
> the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on 
> everything.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>  wrote:
> 
>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
>> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
>>> iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog 
>>> just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech 
>>> recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and 
>>> speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system 
>>> operations.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how 
 does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been 
 at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't 
 upgraded us yet. Thanks for yo

Re: dictation success!

Hi Neal,

I also tried using the accent key, but couldn't get that to work either, so 
went with F10.  I have a keyboard shortcut to mute speech, so don't use the F10 
mute all that much.

I also found that the keyword "computer" doesn't work.  I had better luck using 
Victoria, which is the name of the voice I'm using.  So, not sure why computer 
doesn't seem to work, but you might try a different keyword.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Donna,
> 
> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can 
> cause issues for obvious reasons…
> 
> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work 
> every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the 
> constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, 
> rather floats my boat…
> 
> neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.
> 
> thanks.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Neal,
>> 
>> Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps to 
>> hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in system 
>> prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's in 
>> Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is 
>> listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
>> HTH,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
>>> 
>>> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
>>> command key and restarting nothing happens.
>>> 
>>> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?
>>> 
>>> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
 accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the 
 tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the 
 commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
>> iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog 
>> just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech 
>> recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and 
>> speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system 
>> operations.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
>>> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
>>> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded 
>>> us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
 table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If 
 you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound 
 preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons

Re: dictation success!

Hi Neal,

Yeah, it is.  If the Mac recognizes the phrase you spoke, it will make the 
little wit sound.
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:12 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Colin,
> 
> I did not, but, is this accessible?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 17:10, Red.Falcon  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there!
>> Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice 
>> this should be helpful!
>> Colin
>> And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on 
>> snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can 
>>> cause issues for obvious reasons…
>>> 
>>> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work 
>>> every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the 
>>> constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, 
>>> rather floats my boat…
>>> 
>>> neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Neal,
 
 Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps 
 to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in 
 system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's 
 in Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is 
 listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
 HTH,
 Donna
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
> 
> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing 
> the command key and restarting nothing happens.
> 
> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I 
> nominate?
> 
> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
>> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select 
>> the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going 
>> to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on 
>> everything.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
>>> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
 iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open 
 dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows 
 speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that 
 and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for 
 system opera

Re: dictation success!

Donna,

I will give that a go, the issue with the calibration aspect, which some have 
suggested is that I do not see how you can use that with Voice Over enabled…

I'll keep trying! :)


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44  844 999 4199



On 31 Jul 2012, at 17:13, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Hi Neal,
> 
> I also tried using the accent key, but couldn't get that to work either, so 
> went with F10.  I have a keyboard shortcut to mute speech, so don't use the 
> F10 mute all that much.
> 
> I also found that the keyword "computer" doesn't work.  I had better luck 
> using Victoria, which is the name of the voice I'm using.  So, not sure why 
> computer doesn't seem to work, but you might try a different keyword.
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:59 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can 
>> cause issues for obvious reasons…
>> 
>> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work 
>> every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the 
>> constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, 
>> rather floats my boat…
>> 
>> neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Neal,
>>> 
>>> Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps 
>>> to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in 
>>> system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's 
>>> in Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is 
>>> listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
>>> HTH,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
 
 I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing 
 the command key and restarting nothing happens.
 
 what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I 
 nominate?
 
 thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 
 
 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select 
> the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to 
> the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on 
> everything.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>  wrote:
> 
>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
>> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
>>> iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog 
>>> just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech 
>>> recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and 
>>> speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system 
>>> operations.
>>> O

Re: dictation success!

Yeah, but it works much better now than it ever did in SL or Lion. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Red.Falcon  
wrote:

> Hi there!
> Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice 
> this should be helpful!
> Colin
> And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on 
> snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then!
> Colin
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
> 
>> Donna,
>> 
>> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can 
>> cause issues for obvious reasons…
>> 
>> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work 
>> every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the 
>> constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, 
>> rather floats my boat…
>> 
>> neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.
>> 
>> thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> Neal,
>>> 
>>> Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps 
>>> to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in 
>>> system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's 
>>> in Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is 
>>> listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
>>> HTH,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
 
 I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing 
 the command key and restarting nothing happens.
 
 what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I 
 nominate?
 
 thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
 iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
 accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 
 
 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select 
> the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to 
> the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on 
> everything.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>  wrote:
> 
>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
>> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
>>> iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog 
>>> just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech 
>>> recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and 
>>> speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system 
>>> operations.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how 
 does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been 
 at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't 
 upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
> table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If 
> you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound 
> pr

Re: dictation success!

Hi folks,
is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things
like the i-pad?

thanks,
Karen

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:

Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set
mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about
battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, "Alex, what
time is it" and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
wrote:

I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!

I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the
command key and restarting nothing happens.

what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?

thanks for any hands on practical usage info.

Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS,
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44 844 999 4199

On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall wrote:

What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences,
accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs
you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands
tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
wrote:

sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but,
how does one ask what day it is etc?

Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44 844 999 4199

On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall wrote:

These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". You
can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all
familiar with Windows speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and
speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system operations.
On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons wrote:

Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does that
effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work today and
not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us yet. Thanks for
your patience guys.
On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table and
select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are using a usb
microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set the input source
to be that USB microphone.
On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons wrote:

I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would
love to try it out. Thanks.
On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a
Griffin IMike with a Gigaware are microphone attached to it. And, my air
conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop microphone
going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't support direct
input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. In my quick
tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing speakable items
feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already am. Ironically, I
didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, dictate these last two
sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling fan going in the background.

Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap

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Re: dictation success!

Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third 
generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> is dictation new to mountain lion?  if so, does it also exist  on things like 
> the i-pad?
> thanks,
> Karen
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it 
>> down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so 
>> don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I 
>> can just call out, "Alex, what time is it" and get told, or tell it to open 
>> an app or quit something.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
>>> 
>>> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
>>> command key and restarting nothing happens.
>>> 
>>> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?
>>> 
>>> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
 accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the 
 tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the 
 commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
>> iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog 
>> just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech 
>> recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and 
>> speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system 
>> operations.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
>>> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
>>> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded 
>>> us yet. Thanks for your patience guys.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
 table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If 
 you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound 
 preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into 
> dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking 
>> into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. 
>> And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
>> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
>>> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac 
>>> doesn't support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still 
>>> doing really well. In my quick tests, it made no mistake

Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

To select text within Safari is the exact same way you would do it on Windows.  
Just use the arrow keys and shift and then the standard copy and paste.
On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:48, Matthew Campbell  wrote:

> Hi.
> To select text, use standard OS X text selection commands. All of these can 
> be found in the ""various help files.""
> 
> 
> On 2012-07-31, at 11:16 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know about selecting text, but why not just use textedit for 
>> programming? I haven't found a way to get vo to report indentation 
>> automatically, but I don't think you will have any problems aside from that.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle  wrote:
>> 
>>> For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me
>>> who's writing this email on a PC.
>>> 
>>> Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in
>>> Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How
>>> do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few
>>> paragraphs?
>>> 
>>> And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am
>>> trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I
>>> can write HTML and XML files.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
 Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm 
 genuinely
 baffled by the original post and those who
 supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion,
 and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
 year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it,
 knowing that updates would come along and fix the
 problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going
 to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
 Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell,
 almost everything I hated about lion has been
 fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my
 external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
 is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can
 recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
 start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks 
 are
 definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
 almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the
 exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
 anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
 OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I
 just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
 like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about
 using my mac now.
 Missy

 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

 I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
 we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
 but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and
 energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
 just jump into their minds how to do everything.

 Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain
 Lion and study those and learn before complaining.

 - Original Message -
 From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
 To: 
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
 Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

 Hello All.

 Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
 for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
 opinion.

 People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it
 is
 their right to do so of course.

 But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
 been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
 shape.

 So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
 your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
 with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
 sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
 everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
 something positive.

 Kawal.

 On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:

> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
> thing was why I gave up on

Re: dictation success!

hi Karen yes dictation is new in Mountain lion. The other one first equal items 
is different in Mountain lion, but I understand that it's not new. As for the 
iPad, you have to have the new iPad for it to work.

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Hi folks,
> is dictation new to mountain lion?  if so, does it also exist  on things like 
> the i-pad?
> thanks,
> Karen
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it 
>> down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so 
>> don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I 
>> can just call out, "Alex, what time is it" and get told, or tell it to open 
>> an app or quit something.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
>>> 
>>> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
>>> command key and restarting nothing happens.
>>> 
>>> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?
>>> 
>>> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
 accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the 
 tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the 
 commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
>> iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog 
>> just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech 
>> recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and 
>> speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system 
>> operations.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
>>> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
>>> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded 
>>> us yet. Thanks for your patience guys.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
 table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If 
 you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound 
 preferences and set the input source to be that USB microphone.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into 
> dictation, would love to try it out. Thanks.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking 
>> into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. 
>> And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
>> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
>>> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac 
>>> doesn't support direct input o

Re: dictation success!

I see. Anything you cannot control with this feature?
Karen.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:

Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third
generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi folks,
is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like
the i-pad?
thanks,
Karen

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:

I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!

I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the
command key and restarting nothing happens.

what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?

thanks for any hands on practical usage info.

Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44 844 999 4199

On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall wrote:

sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but,
how does one ask what day it is etc?

Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44 844 999 4199

On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall wrote:

I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, would
love to try it out. Thanks.
On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap

Re: dictation success!

Karen,

There are two different speech features.  You can activate, one, both, or 
neither of them.

  One is Dictation.  this is new to ML.  It allows you to dictate what you want 
to write any time that you are in a text field.  This feature is also on the 
newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s.  You can, however, accomplish similar things  
on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation.

The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called Speakable 
items.  This you can configure to let you control many different things on your 
Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing documents, finding the time 
and date, and many other things.  It is closer to Siri on the iPhone 4s.  It 
was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it did not work very well.

Hope this clarifies things.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> I see.  Anything you cannot control with this feature?
> Karen.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third 
>> generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> is dictation new to mountain lion?  if so, does it also exist  on things 
>>> like the i-pad?
>>> thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it 
 down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so 
 don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; 
 I can just call out, "Alex, what time is it" and get told, or tell it to 
 open an app or quit something.
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
> 
> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing 
> the command key and restarting nothing happens.
> 
> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I 
> nominate?
> 
> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
>> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select 
>> the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going 
>> to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on 
>> everything.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
>>> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
 iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open 
 dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows 
 speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that 
 and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for 
 system operations.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how 
> does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been 
> at work today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't 
> upgraded us yet. Thanks for your patience guys.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a 
>> table and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If 
>> you are using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound 
>> preferences and set

Re: anyone ever used winonx?

2012-07-31 Thread Chris Blouch

Ahh, so it emulates the APIs of Windows, not Windows itself. In that 
respect it's more like Crossover, also based on WINE. I've not used it 
but they target gamers who want to run Windows games without having to 
buy a full seat of Windows in addition to the emulator. Crossover is $60 
from a company called Codeweavers and I think they have a free trial:


http://www.codeweavers.com

CB

On 7/31/12 11:55 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
Thanks, I might have a look at virtualbox, I didn't know it was free. 
The advantage to winonx is that you don't need windows, just the 
windows program you want to run, so no licenses or million-character 
codes to mess with. I don't think I even have my windows code anymore, 
so I couldn't authorize a vm.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Chris Blouch > wrote:


Nope, and I wonder what they have that the others don't? Depending on 
how much you value your time, it might be better just paying a bit 
more for Fusion (about $40) which has an accessible UI and there are 
a lot of tips in this email archive on making it work well with 
Jaws/VO. You can also play with Virtualbox which is free. The GUI is 
not accessible with voiceover but it has a full command line 
interface which you can use from terminal:


http://andunix.net/info/virtualbox/cli

CB

On 7/31/12 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

Hi all,
I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to 
let you run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the 
reviews say it doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says 
his newer games work fine. The main site is down right now, but the 
app store link seems good. I wondered if anyone here has tried this 
app, and, if so, how it worked for you. Any information would be 
great. Mostly I want to run my audio games on the mac, as that is 
really all I use windows for anymore, but I also don't want to blow 
$5 on an app that won't support anything I want to run. If it helps, 
the applications I want to run are mostly all written in VB. Thanks 
in advance.



Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
mehg...@gmail.com ; 
http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap


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Re: anyone ever used winonx?

2012-07-31 Thread James Malone

I'm certainly thinking of trying this. I don't think programs like
that have really been too successful, but for 5 dollars? Well...
maybe.

On 8/1/12, Alex Hall  wrote:
> Thanks, I might have a look at virtualbox, I didn't know it was free. The
> advantage to winonx is that you don't need windows, just the windows program
> you want to run, so no licenses or million-character codes to mess with. I
> don't think I even have my windows code anymore, so I couldn't authorize a
> vm.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:
>
>> Nope, and I wonder what they have that the others don't? Depending on how
>> much you value your time, it might be better just paying a bit more for
>> Fusion (about $40) which has an accessible UI and there are a lot of tips
>> in this email archive on making it work well with Jaws/VO. You can also
>> play with Virtualbox which is free. The GUI is not accessible with
>> voiceover but it has a full command line interface which you can use from
>> terminal:
>>
>> http://andunix.net/info/virtualbox/cli
>>
>> CB
>>
>> On 7/31/12 10:08 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I just found out about an app called winonx, which is supposed to let you
>>> run windows programs on the mac. It sounds great, but the reviews say it
>>> doesn't work. A game maker on Twitter, though, says his newer games work
>>> fine. The main site is down right now, but the app store link seems good.
>>> I wondered if anyone here has tried this app, and, if so, how it worked
>>> for you. Any information would be great. Mostly I want to run my audio
>>> games on the mac, as that is really all I use windows for anymore, but I
>>> also don't want to blow $5 on an app that won't support anything I want
>>> to run. If it helps, the applications I want to run are mostly all
>>> written in VB. Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>>>
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread Brandon Olivares

I use primarily vim to program. Just regular vim (I don't like macvim as much). 
If I want to do something real quickly, I use TextEdit. Sometimes I'll write 
something in TextEdit and then reformat it for indenting and such in vim. In 
vim you can reformat an entire file with: gg=G - and I find that immensely 
useful. Also the jump to closing brackets/parentheses, and a lot of other 
features, are indispensable.

Brandon
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle  wrote:

> For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me
> who's writing this email on a PC.
> 
> Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in
> Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How
> do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few
> paragraphs?
> 
> And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am
> trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I
> can write HTML and XML files.
> 
> 
> 
> On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm genuinely
>> baffled by the original post and those who
>> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about lion,
>> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
>> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of it,
>> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
>> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever going
>> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
>> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can tell,
>> almost everything I hated about lion has been
>> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my
>> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
>> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I can
>> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
>> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks are
>> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
>> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the
>> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
>> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
>> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but I
>> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
>> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited about
>> using my mac now.
>> Missy
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came out
>> we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new stuff,
>> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time and
>> energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
>> just jump into their minds how to do everything.
>> 
>> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about Mountain
>> Lion and study those and learn before complaining.
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>> 
>> 
>> Hello All.
>> 
>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am one
>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
>> opinion.
>> 
>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and it
>> is
>> their right to do so of course.
>> 
>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I have
>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into
>> shape.
>> 
>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just send
>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product work
>> with them to improve a producct?  It would be so positivve to do that and
>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference.  If
>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull.  So chill and think to do
>> something positive.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion  wrote:
>> 
>>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least
>>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large
>>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web
>>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do
>>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that
>>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require
>>> that it gets the job done.
>>> 
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler  wrote:
 Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed
 everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not

Re: dictation success!

Hi Donna,
profound thanks. That does make things more clear for me. Its funny as I
have been meaning to ask about dragon dictate, may still for a different
reason.
However this moves me closer to a new mac, since I would have to use a
full sized keyboard otherwise. the smaller laptop keyboards were just not
giving me the sort of dexterity control I am used to with my main dos
machine with he vo controls very awkward, and I was unsure how I would like
all that flipping, smile.
If one can control more things via voice, then this will make a big
difference.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote:

Karen,

There are two different speech features. You can activate, one, both, or
neither of them.

One is Dictation. this is new to ML. It allows you to dictate what you want
to write any time that you are in a text field. This feature is also on the
newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s. You can, however, accomplish similar things
on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation.

The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called Speakable
items. This you can configure to let you control many different things on your
Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing documents, finding the time
and date, and many other things. It is closer to Siri on the iPhone 4s. It
was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it did not work very well.

Hope this clarifies things.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

I see. Anything you cannot control with this feature?
Karen.

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:

Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third
generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen wrote:

Hi folks,
is dictation new to mountain lion? if so, does it also exist on things like
the i-pad?
thanks,
Karen

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:

I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!

I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the
command key and restarting nothing happens.

what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?

thanks for any hands on practical usage info.

Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44 844 999 4199

On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall wrote:

sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but,
how does one ask what day it is etc?

Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

URL: - www.talknav.com
e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
Phone: - +44 844 999 4199

On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall wrote:

Re: dictation success!

Hi Karen,

Do I read your message correctly that you're still using DOS?  If that's the 
case, by all means get a Mac.  Once you get used to it, you will love it.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Hi Donna,
> profound thanks.  That does make things more clear for me.  Its funny as I 
> have been meaning to ask about dragon dictate, may still for a different 
> reason.
> However this moves me closer to a new mac, since I would have to use a full 
> sized keyboard otherwise.  the smaller laptop keyboards were just not giving 
> me the sort of dexterity control I am used to with my main dos machine with 
> he vo controls very awkward, and I was unsure how I would like all that 
> flipping, smile.
> If one can control more things via voice, then this will make a big 
> difference.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Karen,
>> 
>> There are two different speech features.  You can activate, one, both, or 
>> neither of them.
>> 
>> One is Dictation.  this is new to ML.  It allows you to dictate what you 
>> want to write any time that you are in a text field.  This feature is also 
>> on the newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s.  You can, however, accomplish similar 
>> things  on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation.
>> 
>> The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called Speakable 
>> items.  This you can configure to let you control many different things on 
>> your Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing documents, finding 
>> the time and date, and many other things.  It is closer to Siri on the 
>> iPhone 4s.  It was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it did not work very 
>> well.
>> 
>> Hope this clarifies things.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I see.  Anything you cannot control with this feature?
>>> Karen.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third 
 generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of 
 Siri.
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen  
 wrote:
 
> Hi folks,
> is dictation new to mountain lion?  if so, does it also exist  on things 
> like the i-pad?
> thanks,
> Karen
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold 
>> it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a 
>> desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty 
>> neat, though; I can just call out, "Alex, what time is it" and get told, 
>> or tell it to open an app or quit something.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
>>> 
>>> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing 
>>> the command key and restarting nothing happens.
>>> 
>>> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I 
>>> nominate?
>>> 
>>> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system 
 preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From 
 there, select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I 
 recommend going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, 
 and turning on everything.
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all 
> your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex

Re: dictation success!

Hi all,
I am writing this using dictation. Regarding the question about getting the 
date, I think there is some confusion.
Dictation is not what is used for getting the answer to your question what is 
the time or what day is it you need to use speakable objects.
For dictation, you will be double pressing your function key or some other key 
that you have assigned to begin dictation and then pressing the function key 
again only once or whatever key you have it assigned to be as your dictation to 
stop talking.
For the speakable options, you will probably use the default escape key unless 
you have reassigned I found I needed to reassign the escape key for speakable 
options and used F10 as that was the one other seem to be using. When using F10 
for escape or whatever other key you have assigned, what you need to do is, 
hold down the key down while you are speaking.

I am having lots of fun with this dictation and speakable options!
Take care,
Sharon
On 2012-07-30, at 7:50 PM, Matt Dierckens  wrote:

> One thing I can't get speakable items to do is to tell me the date. What's 
> the best way to do this?
> Matt
> Sent from my mac
> Twitter: matt692
> msn: matt...@live.com
> skype: blindman3221
> 
> On 2012-07-30, at 5:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
>> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't 
>> support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really well. 
>> In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that amazing 
>> speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I already 
>> am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, however, 
>> dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a ceiling 
>> fan going in the background.
>> 
>> 
>> Have a great day,
>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
>> 
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Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion?

Hi all,

Has anyone got a fix workaround for VO spacebar being non-responsive?
Also has anyone got a workaround for theV O F5  toggle not working is there 
some other way or
Assignment for the voice over to be turned off and on?
 thanks,
Sharon
On 2012-07-31, at 12:28 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Yeah, but it works much better now than it ever did in SL or Lion. :)
> Cheers,
> Donna
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Red.Falcon  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi there!
>> Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your voice 
>> this should be helpful!
>> Colin
>> And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still on 
>> snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, which can 
>>> cause issues for obvious reasons…
>>> 
>>> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it work 
>>> every now and then not any other time… I tried the alternative of using the 
>>> constantly listen option, being able to call out, computer what time is it, 
>>> rather floats my boat…
>>> 
>>> neither option are working for me…! any thoughts.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Neal,
 
 Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it helps 
 to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also, in 
 system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's 
 in Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is 
 listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
 HTH,
 Donna
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
  wrote:
 
> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
> 
> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing 
> the command key and restarting nothing happens.
> 
> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I 
> nominate?
> 
> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
>> accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select 
>> the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going 
>> to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on 
>> everything.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no 
>>> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open 
 iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open 
 dialog just by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows 
 speech recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that 
 and speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for 
 system operations.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how 
> does that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been 
> at w

RE: Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion?

2012-07-31 Thread Daniel Miller

It's Command+f5 to turn VO off and on.

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:21 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over
F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion?

Hi all,

Has anyone got a fix workaround for VO spacebar being non-responsive?
Also has anyone got a workaround for theV O F5  toggle not working is there
some other way or Assignment for the voice over to be turned off and on?
 thanks,
Sharon
On 2012-07-31, at 12:28 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

> Yeah, but it works much better now than it ever did in SL or Lion. :) 
> Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Red.Falcon 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi there!
>> Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your
voice this should be helpful!
>> Colin
>> And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still
on snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then!
>> Colin
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>> 
>>> Donna,
>>> 
>>> I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, 
>>> which can cause issues for obvious reasons.
>>> 
>>> I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it 
>>> work every now and then not any other time. I tried the alternative 
>>> of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, 
>>> computer what time is it, rather floats my boat.
>>> 
>>> neither option are working for me.! any thoughts.
>>> 
>>> thanks.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
>>> Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all 
>>> your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit 
>>> www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>>> 
 Neal,
 
 Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it
helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also,
in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's
in Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is
listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
 HTH,
 Donna
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 wrote:
 
> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
> 
> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by
changing the command key and restarting nothing happens.
> 
> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I
nominate?
> 
> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as 
> an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For 
> all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit 
> www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system
preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there,
select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend
going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on
everything.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
 wrote:
>> 
>>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no
issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Neil Barnfather
>>> 
>>> Talks List Administrator
>>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>>> 
>>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as 
>>> an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. 
>>> For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries 
>>> visit www.talknav.com
>>> 
>>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open
iPhoto". You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just
by speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech
recognition, it's like dictation is the text input part of that and
speakable objects is the other part that accepts commands for system
operations.
>>

Re: Bookshare update

2012-07-31 Thread Krysti .Power

Can't find iPhone app read to go

On Monday, July 30, 2012, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Didn't know that; I frankly haven't looked at the membership info since
> joining five years ago. :) This makes me very happy, since my daughter is
> off to college next year and her brother will follow suit in a few years. I
> love bookshare almost as much as I love my iPhone and my Mac.  I often find
> myself feeling a tad envious of my kids; I would have had such a completely
> different experience growing up with the wealth of information these
> resources provide.  Just two examples:  not receiving my Braille textbooks
> on time would not have made much of a difference if I had bookshare and/or
> iBooks, and reading children's and young adult books, let alone newspapers
> at the same time as others, would have meant the world to me, as it does
> today.
>
> Christine
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
> I'd just like to add that, as far as I know, college sutdents also get in
> for free. Once you prove your disability, you need only send them your
> college email address and they will verify it and give you a subscription
> for a year from the time you do this.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Christine Grassman 
> wrote:
>
> Not sure about alternative payments, but you should be able to find that
> at the membership page on the site.
> I was verified as an NLS subscriber, which was enough documentation for
> bookshare.
> https://www.bookshare.org/_/membership/overview
> Christine
>
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, "Krysti .Power" 
> wrote:
>
> It would be worth it to me is there any other payment method besides
> credit card and does my eye doc got to fill it out or can my family doctor
> fill it out
> On 2012-07-30 11:59 AM, "Christine Grassman" 
> wrote:
>
> If you are in the U.S. and a student in primary or secondary school, it
> costs nothing; you merely need to prove that you have a print disability.
> If you are not a student in elementary, middle, or high school, however,
> the subscription cost is $50 per year. I use it so often that this price is
> worth it to me.
> I am not sure of any restrictions with regard to non-U.S. subscribers.
> Christine
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, "Krysti .Power" 
> wrote:
>
> How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering
> On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, "Christine Grassman" 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with
> bookshare, but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way to
> tell that the download occurred, as there had been in the past. They did
> occur, however.
> As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite well
> in Safari.
> Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that
> downloading will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able to
> choose their download file preference (which can be changed at any time),
> and a pop-up menu will replace the current list of icons for downloading
> daisy with images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, your history will by
> default contain thirty days of download history, but you can change the
> filter to look further back.
> Christine
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Re: Bookshare update

Search for read2go. Note that there are no spaces, and they use the number two 
in place of the word.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 1:25 PM, "Krysti .Power"  wrote:

> Can't find iPhone app read to go
> 
> On Monday, July 30, 2012, Christine Grassman wrote:
> Didn't know that; I frankly haven't looked at the membership info since 
> joining five years ago. :) This makes me very happy, since my daughter is off 
> to college next year and her brother will follow suit in a few years. I love 
> bookshare almost as much as I love my iPhone and my Mac.  I often find myself 
> feeling a tad envious of my kids; I would have had such a completely 
> different experience growing up with the wealth of information these 
> resources provide.  Just two examples:  not receiving my Braille textbooks on 
> time would not have made much of a difference if I had bookshare and/or 
> iBooks, and reading children's and young adult books, let alone newspapers at 
> the same time as others, would have meant the world to me, as it does today.
> 
> Christine
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I'd just like to add that, as far as I know, college sutdents also get in 
>> for free. Once you prove your disability, you need only send them your 
>> college email address and they will verify it and give you a subscription 
>> for a year from the time you do this.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Christine Grassman  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Not sure about alternative payments, but you should be able to find that at 
>>> the membership page on the site.
>>> I was verified as an NLS subscriber, which was enough documentation for 
>>> bookshare.
>>> https://www.bookshare.org/_/membership/overview
>>> Christine
>>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, "Krysti .Power"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 It would be worth it to me is there any other payment method besides 
 credit card and does my eye doc got to fill it out or can my family doctor 
 fill it out
 
 On 2012-07-30 11:59 AM, "Christine Grassman"  
 wrote:
 If you are in the U.S. and a student in primary or secondary school, it 
 costs nothing; you merely need to prove that you have a print disability.
 If you are not a student in elementary, middle, or high school, however, 
 the subscription cost is $50 per year. I use it so often that this price 
 is worth it to me.
 I am not sure of any restrictions with regard to non-U.S. subscribers. 
 Christine
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, "Krysti .Power"  
 wrote:
 
> How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering
> 
> On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, "Christine Grassman"  
> wrote:
> Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with 
> bookshare, but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way 
> to tell that the download occurred, as there had been in the past. They 
> did occur, however.
> As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite 
> well in Safari.
> Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that 
> downloading will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able 
> to choose their download file preference (which can be changed at any 
> time), and a pop-up menu will replace the current list of icons for 
> downloading daisy with images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, your 
> history will by default contain thirty days of download history, but you 
> can change the filter to look further back.
> Christine
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Re: dictation success!

Yes Donna, very happily productively and successfully using dos to run my 
two businesses every day.
In fact  there is very very little I actually desire doing that I cannot 
do in dos.  My machines are tools not toys.  there is one thing I can 
firmly do given the discussion here, I have one of the best word processors in 
the world, wordperfect, with printer drivers updated  and access 
maintained 
regularly.

Dos  in  various forms is still updated as well.
I have an older mac presently, set up to run pro tools under the outspoken 
umbrella, and only used for this.
I read this list daily, and witness people going through issues constantly 
that I would not be able to make time for professionally, keeping track of 
things that remain issues.  Likewise, unless this 
changed in ml, firefox is still not an option, something I can use in 
Linux if I desire.   so while I know the mac adds advantages, it will be, 
for me another and I speak for no one but myself, no total replacement.


At least I can give apple $99 for training though which will be helpful 
when the time comes.


Karen

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote:


Hi Karen,

Do I read your message correctly that you're still using DOS?  If that's the 
case, by all means get a Mac.  Once you get used to it, you will love it.
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi Donna,
profound thanks.  That does make things more clear for me.  Its funny as I have 
been meaning to ask about dragon dictate, may still for a different reason.
However this moves me closer to a new mac, since I would have to use a full 
sized keyboard otherwise.  the smaller laptop keyboards were just not giving me 
the sort of dexterity control I am used to with my main dos machine with he vo 
controls very awkward, and I was unsure how I would like all that flipping, 
smile.
If one can control more things via voice, then this will make a big difference.


On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote:


Karen,

There are two different speech features.  You can activate, one, both, or 
neither of them.

One is Dictation.  this is new to ML.  It allows you to dictate what you want 
to write any time that you are in a text field.  This feature is also on the 
newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s.  You can, however, accomplish similar things  
on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation.

The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called Speakable 
items.  This you can configure to let you control many different things on your 
Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing documents, finding the time 
and date, and many other things.  It is closer to Siri on the iPhone 4s.  It 
was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it did not work very well.

Hope this clarifies things.
Best,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


I see.  Anything you cannot control with this feature?
Karen.


On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:


Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third 
generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of Siri.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:


Hi folks,
is dictation new to mountain lion?  if so, does it also exist  on things like 
the i-pad?
thanks,
Karen

On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:


Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold it down. I set 
mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a desktop so don't have to worry about 
battery life or heat. It's pretty neat, though; I can just call out, "Alex, what 
time is it" and get told, or tell it to open an app or quit something.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:


I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!

I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by changing the 
command key and restarting nothing happens.

what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I nominate?

thanks for any hands on practical usage info.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Twitter @neilbarnfather

TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, 
Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com

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On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:


What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system preferences, 
accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there, select the tabs 
you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend going to the commands 
tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on everything.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:


sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, but, 
how does one ask what day it is etc?


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

Talks List Administrator
Tw

RE: Bookshare update

2012-07-31 Thread Shai

Hi Krysti, 

It is read the number 2 go no spaces. 

Thanks

Shai

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krysti .Power
Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:26 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Bookshare update

 

Can't find iPhone app read to go

On Monday, July 30, 2012, Christine Grassman wrote:

Didn't know that; I frankly haven't looked at the membership info since
joining five years ago. :) This makes me very happy, since my daughter is
off to college next year and her brother will follow suit in a few years. I
love bookshare almost as much as I love my iPhone and my Mac.  I often find
myself feeling a tad envious of my kids; I would have had such a completely
different experience growing up with the wealth of information these
resources provide.  Just two examples:  not receiving my Braille textbooks
on time would not have made much of a difference if I had bookshare and/or
iBooks, and reading children's and young adult books, let alone newspapers
at the same time as others, would have meant the world to me, as it does
today.

 

Christine

On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:





I'd just like to add that, as far as I know, college sutdents also get in
for free. Once you prove your disability, you need only send them your
college email address and they will verify it and give you a subscription
for a year from the time you do this.

On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Christine Grassman 
wrote:





Not sure about alternative payments, but you should be able to find that at
the membership page on the site.

I was verified as an NLS subscriber, which was enough documentation for
bookshare.

https://www.bookshare.org/_/membership/overview

Christine

 

On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, "Krysti .Power" 
wrote:





It would be worth it to me is there any other payment method besides credit
card and does my eye doc got to fill it out or can my family doctor fill it
out

On 2012-07-30 11:59 AM, "Christine Grassman" 
wrote:

If you are in the U.S. and a student in primary or secondary school, it
costs nothing; you merely need to prove that you have a print disability.

If you are not a student in elementary, middle, or high school, however, the
subscription cost is $50 per year. I use it so often that this price is
worth it to me.

I am not sure of any restrictions with regard to non-U.S. subscribers. 

Christine

On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, "Krysti .Power" 
wrote:





How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering

On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, "Christine Grassman" 
wrote:

Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with bookshare,
but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way to tell that
the download occurred, as there had been in the past. They did occur,
however.
As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite well
in Safari.
Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that downloading
will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able to choose their
download file preference (which can be changed at any time), and a pop-up
menu will replace the current list of icons for downloading daisy with
images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, your history will by default
contain thirty days of download history, but you can change the filter to
look further back.
Christine

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apple response about safari notifications

2012-07-31 Thread Ioana Gandrabur

Hi,

Just heard from apple about what safari is supposed to notify you about but 
their phrase does not make sense to me. Thought I'd ask you first before I 
bother them with this.
Websites using html5 will be able to show alters in notification center, if the 
users allows. Currently I don't know of any sites that are doing this. 
Does anyone know what "show alters" means?

Thanks,

Ioana
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

pressing shift and the arrow keys does absolutely nothing, and it
never has for me. And Text Edit is too convoluted for what I want it
to do. If I want to to just copy the text in a webpage in windows,
then I will just select what I want and then paste it into notepad. If
I do this in Text Edit then it inserts all the formatting of the page
including links, making it impossible to just save as a text file.
Also, when you choose View Source for a website in windows, it is
accessible, but seemingly this is not the case on a Mac. This is one
of the reasons I don't think I'll ever fully use a Mac.

I am currently struggling to download a file, because when I VO Space
on it, it opens the MP3 file and starts playing it. If I VO Shift and
M, then it doesn't give me a download option; it only gives me options
like 'print page'. And to think I was being  complimentary about the
mac earlier. Then again I was on a PC at the time.

Right I'm off to try and find out the keyboard shortcut for forcing
errant Macs to download a file.

On 31/07/2012, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
> I use primarily vim to program. Just regular vim (I don't like macvim as
> much). If I want to do something real quickly, I use TextEdit. Sometimes
> I'll write something in TextEdit and then reformat it for indenting and such
> in vim. In vim you can reformat an entire file with: gg=G - and I find that
> immensely useful. Also the jump to closing brackets/parentheses, and a lot
> of other features, are indispensable.
>
> Brandon
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle 
> wrote:
>
>> For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me
>> who's writing this email on a PC.
>>
>> Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in
>> Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How
>> do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few
>> paragraphs?
>>
>> And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am
>> trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I
>> can write HTML and XML files.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
>>> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm
>>> genuinely
>>> baffled by the original post and those who
>>> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about
>>> lion,
>>> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
>>> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of
>>> it,
>>> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
>>> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever
>>> going
>>> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
>>> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can
>>> tell,
>>> almost everything I hated about lion has been
>>> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my
>>> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
>>> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I
>>> can
>>> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
>>> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks
>>> are
>>> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
>>> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the
>>> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
>>> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
>>> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but
>>> I
>>> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
>>> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited
>>> about
>>> using my mac now.
>>> Missy
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>>>
>>> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came
>>> out
>>> we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new
>>> stuff,
>>> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time
>>> and
>>> energy to learn the new stuff.  Some how it should
>>> just jump into their minds how to do everything.
>>>
>>> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about
>>> Mountain
>>> Lion and study those and learn before complaining.
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM
>>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All.
>>>
>>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I am
>>> one
>>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words.  However, this is my
>>> opinion.
>>>
>>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and
>>> it
>>> is
>>> their right to do so of course.
>>>
>>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I
>

Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

My responses are below. Sorry I can't be more specific.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:14 PM, David Eagle  wrote:

> pressing shift and the arrow keys does absolutely nothing, and it
> never has for me. And Text Edit is too convoluted for what I want it
> to do. If I want to to just copy the text in a webpage in windows,
> then I will just select what I want and then paste it into notepad. If
> I do this in Text Edit then it inserts all the formatting of the page
> including links, making it impossible to just save as a text file.
First, try turning quicknav off. To copy a line, use shift-down. A word, would 
be shift-option-right (or left), and so on, just like when you are editing. 
Quicknav really might be your problem here, and that's why I almost always 
leave it off.

Second, try turning smart paste off. I believe you can vo-shift-m and go down 
to the substitutions menu. This may help your pasting problem.
> Also, when you choose View Source for a website in windows, it is
> accessible, but seemingly this is not the case on a Mac. This is one
> of the reasons I don't think I'll ever fully use a Mac.
I have never tried this, so can't comment.
> 
> I am currently struggling to download a file, because when I VO Space
> on it, it opens the MP3 file and starts playing it. If I VO Shift and
> M, then it doesn't give me a download option; it only gives me options
> like 'print page'. And to think I was being  complimentary about the
> mac earlier. Then again I was on a PC at the time.
IE and Firefox do the same thing. Try going into preferences, or just google 
"download mp3 file in safari" and see what others have done to solve this. I 
bet it is a setting, not a bug at all.
> 
> Right I'm off to try and find out the keyboard shortcut for forcing
> errant Macs to download a file.
> 
> On 31/07/2012, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>> I use primarily vim to program. Just regular vim (I don't like macvim as
>> much). If I want to do something real quickly, I use TextEdit. Sometimes
>> I'll write something in TextEdit and then reformat it for indenting and such
>> in vim. In vim you can reformat an entire file with: gg=G - and I find that
>> immensely useful. Also the jump to closing brackets/parentheses, and a lot
>> of other features, are indispensable.
>> 
>> Brandon
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me
>>> who's writing this email on a PC.
>>> 
>>> Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in
>>> Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How
>>> do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few
>>> paragraphs?
>>> 
>>> And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am
>>> trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I
>>> can write HTML and XML files.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
 Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm
 genuinely
 baffled by the original post and those who
 supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about
 lion,
 and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
 year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best of
 it,
 knowing that updates would come along and fix the
 problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever
 going
 to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
 Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can
 tell,
 almost everything I hated about lion has been
 fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have my
 external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
 is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I
 can
 recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
 start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. Folks
 are
 definitely entitled to their opinions, but this
 almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm the
 exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine
 anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML.
 OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, but
 I
 just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is
 like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited
 about
 using my mac now.
 Missy
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion
 
 I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion came
 out
 we went through this same complaint cycle.   People want all the new
 stuff,
 but they want it to all work the same and don't

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2012-07-31 Thread Ricardo Walker

Hi,

A few people asked me to do a demo of audio hijack pro.  here it is. :)

http://www.appletothecore.info/2012/07/apple-to-core-episode-6.html

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Re: Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion?

Okay, so i have been definitely playing with too many keys and buttons! command 
F5 is indeed the toggle. :) Thanks!


Peace and Positivity,
Sharon
On 2012-07-31, at 1:21 PM, "Daniel Miller"  wrote:

> It's Command+f5 to turn VO off and on.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sharon Ballantyne
> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:21 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Has anyone got fix for voice over space bar failures or voice over
> F5 toggle not working in Mountain Lion?
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Has anyone got a fix workaround for VO spacebar being non-responsive?
> Also has anyone got a workaround for theV O F5  toggle not working is there
> some other way or Assignment for the voice over to be turned off and on?
> thanks,
> Sharon
> On 2012-07-31, at 12:28 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> Yeah, but it works much better now than it ever did in SL or Lion. :) 
>> Cheers, Donna On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:10 AM, Red.Falcon 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there!
>>> Sorry but I did not see you mention if you calibrated the Mac to your
> voice this should be helpful!
>>> Colin
>>> And that feature has been around for a long time It is on my iMac Still
> on snowy kitty which I got 2009 and it was there then!
>>> Colin
>>> 
>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:59, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote:
>>> 
 Donna,
 
 I've not gone with the F10 idea, as F10 is also mute on the Mac, 
 which can cause issues for obvious reasons.
 
 I've used the key directly below esc, however, whilst I can make it 
 work every now and then not any other time. I tried the alternative 
 of using the constantly listen option, being able to call out, 
 computer what time is it, rather floats my boat.
 
 neither option are working for me.! any thoughts.
 
 thanks.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an 
 Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all 
 your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit 
 www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 
 
 On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:56, Donna Goodin  wrote:
 
> Neal,
> 
> Yes, you need to press and hold the key.  I have also found that it
> helps to hold it for about a half second before you start speaking.  Also,
> in system prefs make sure you have the right listening method checked.  It's
> in Accessible Items under Listening key tab.  You have two choices, one is
> listen when key is pressed, the other is listen when keyword is spoken.
> HTH,
> Donna
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>  wrote:
> 
>> I have found it thank you, my question now is why is it not working!
>> 
>> I have enabled it all, and turned the feature on, yet, even by
> changing the command key and restarting nothing happens.
>> 
>> what is unclear, is am I supposed to press and hold down the key I
> nominate?
>> 
>> thanks for any hands on practical usage info.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as 
>> an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For 
>> all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit 
>> www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 16:43, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> What you are talking about is speakable items. Go to system
> preferences, accessibility, and find it in the table of options. From there,
> select the tabs you want and configure things as necessary. I recommend
> going to the commands tab, then the table of command sets, and turning on
> everything.
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>  wrote:
>>> 
 sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no
> issue, but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Neil Barnfather
 
 Talks List Administrator
 Twitter @neilbarnfather
 
 TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as 
 an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. 
 For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries 
 visit www.talknav.com
 
 URL: - www.talknav.com
 e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
 Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
 
 
 
 On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>

Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

Hi, thanks for that. I've now turned quicknav off but when I use shift
and  down, or Shift Option left or right, nothing happens. It does
work if I interact with the text, but then what if I want to select a
few paragraphs? I tried selecting a line of your reply, and it
wouldn't do it. Also, I don't mind the file opening rather than
downloading when I VO Space, but I do mind the fact that it then
refuses to select the options for a link when I press VO Shift M, and
instead brings the menu up for the page. I think that is definitely a
bug, and not a preference.

And finally, I just entered on the Selecting Text option in VO help,
and it opened Safari, and there was no page.

I think I might start a commune for distressed Mac users with Brian (I
think his name was); I can't remember now, I've been mentally worn
down by Mac issues0.

On 31/07/2012, Alex Hall  wrote:
> My responses are below. Sorry I can't be more specific.
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:14 PM, David Eagle 
> wrote:
>
>> pressing shift and the arrow keys does absolutely nothing, and it
>> never has for me. And Text Edit is too convoluted for what I want it
>> to do. If I want to to just copy the text in a webpage in windows,
>> then I will just select what I want and then paste it into notepad. If
>> I do this in Text Edit then it inserts all the formatting of the page
>> including links, making it impossible to just save as a text file.
> First, try turning quicknav off. To copy a line, use shift-down. A word,
> would be shift-option-right (or left), and so on, just like when you are
> editing. Quicknav really might be your problem here, and that's why I almost
> always leave it off.
>
> Second, try turning smart paste off. I believe you can vo-shift-m and go
> down to the substitutions menu. This may help your pasting problem.
>> Also, when you choose View Source for a website in windows, it is
>> accessible, but seemingly this is not the case on a Mac. This is one
>> of the reasons I don't think I'll ever fully use a Mac.
> I have never tried this, so can't comment.
>>
>> I am currently struggling to download a file, because when I VO Space
>> on it, it opens the MP3 file and starts playing it. If I VO Shift and
>> M, then it doesn't give me a download option; it only gives me options
>> like 'print page'. And to think I was being  complimentary about the
>> mac earlier. Then again I was on a PC at the time.
> IE and Firefox do the same thing. Try going into preferences, or just google
> "download mp3 file in safari" and see what others have done to solve this. I
> bet it is a setting, not a bug at all.
>>
>> Right I'm off to try and find out the keyboard shortcut for forcing
>> errant Macs to download a file.
>>
>> On 31/07/2012, Brandon Olivares  wrote:
>>> I use primarily vim to program. Just regular vim (I don't like macvim as
>>> much). If I want to do something real quickly, I use TextEdit. Sometimes
>>> I'll write something in TextEdit and then reformat it for indenting and
>>> such
>>> in vim. In vim you can reformat an entire file with: gg=G - and I find
>>> that
>>> immensely useful. Also the jump to closing brackets/parentheses, and a
>>> lot
>>> of other features, are indispensable.
>>>
>>> Brandon
>>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me
 who's writing this email on a PC.

 Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in
 Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How
 do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few
 paragraphs?

 And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am
 trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I
 can write HTML and XML files.



 On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe  wrote:
> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm
> genuinely
> baffled by the original post and those who
> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about
> lion,
> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last
> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best
> of
> it,
> knowing that updates would come along and fix the
> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever
> going
> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis,
> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can
> tell,
> almost everything I hated about lion has been
> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have
> my
> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion
> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I
> can
> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at
> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me.
> Folks
> are
> definitely entitled to their

Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

I'm not sure what happened. I hit shift-option-down in your reply and it 
selected the line just fine. If you want a few paragraphs, I imagine you'd copy 
and paste them one at a time. I never have to copy text out of a webpage so 
can't say for sure there.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:33 PM, David Eagle  wrote:

> Hi, thanks for that. I've now turned quicknav off but when I use shift



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finding out about default button in dialogue box possible or not?

2012-07-31 Thread Ioana Gandrabur

Hi all,

I would love to find out which is the default button in dialogue box other than 
pressing return and seeing what happens.

Is this possible?

Thanks,

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Re: finding out about default button in dialogue box possible or not?

Well, when you move to a button that is default, vo says "[button name], 
default button". Other than that I don't know, but one hint is that the default 
button is almost always near the end of the dialog box. If you have wrapping 
on, you can shift-tab or vo-left to find it faster.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Ioana Gandrabur  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I would love to find out which is the default button in dialogue box other 
> than pressing return and seeing what happens.
> 
> Is this possible?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ioana
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

2012-07-31 Thread Anne Robertson

Hello David,

To force a file to download rather than play, hold down the Option key and 
press Return.

Cheers,

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speakable items

Hi all,
Because I reassigned the speakable items key to be 
F10, I hold this key down and say "what time is it?" 
The response from the Alex voice on my computer is"It's Tuesday July 31st."

For speakable commands I checked the box so it would tell me what action is 
performed as a confirmation.

For example, I will say send message" at the end of this dictation as I can 
switch between using dictation and the speakable actions.

Holding F10 I will say "send message" and the Alex voice will confirm.

hth

Sharon
On 2012-07-31, at 11:28 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Can I just ask, are we saying with ML you can ask it what day etc it is, if 
> so, in what manner…? I thought ML only had dictation available in it at this 
> time?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:23, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into a 
>> Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. And, my air 
>> conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
>> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
>>> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't 
>>> support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really 
>>> well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that 
>>> amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person than I 
>>> already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I did, 
>>> however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that there's a 
>>> ceiling fan going in the background.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion

Thanks, I was told about this shortcut before, but I couldn't remember
it. I've checked the help files but I can't see anything about that
shortcut mentioned.

On 31/07/2012, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> Hello David,
>
> To force a file to download rather than play, hold down the Option key and
> press Return.
>
> Cheers,
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DOS (was dictation success!

Well, I confess I'm astounded.  I went kicking and screaming into Windows 95, 
but I had to switch for my job, so switch I did.  I've never had much love for 
Windows, but you couldn't pay me enough to trade in my Mac for a DOS machine.  
And I think that distinction you make between a computer being a tool or a toy 
is a lot more grey than it used to be.  For example, I just moved, and we 
haven't even bothered to unpack our CDs, because my whole music library is on 
my Mac--and a lot of it is even on my phone.  My phone is now my alarm clock.  
I, too, run a business, and I use Skype to talk with clients.  I use iCal to 
set up appointments and keep a schedule.  I loved using Pine for email back in 
the day, but Mac Mail is much more functional.  To each his or her own, but I 
think you're missing out on a lot. :)
Cheers,
Donna
On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:34 PM, Karen Lewellen  wrote:

> Yes Donna, very happily productively and successfully using dos to run my two 
> businesses every day.
> In fact  there is very very little I actually desire doing that I cannot do 
> in dos.  My machines are tools not toys.  there is one thing I can firmly do 
> given the discussion here, I have one of the best word processors in the 
> world, wordperfect, with printer drivers updated  and access maintained 
> regularly.
> Dos  in  various forms is still updated as well.
> I have an older mac presently, set up to run pro tools under the outspoken 
> umbrella, and only used for this.
> I read this list daily, and witness people going through issues constantly 
> that I would not be able to make time for professionally, keeping track of 
> things that remain issues.  Likewise, unless this changed in ml, firefox 
> is still not an option, something I can use in Linux if I desire.   so while 
> I know the mac adds advantages, it will be, for me another and I speak for no 
> one but myself, no total replacement.
> 
> At least I can give apple $99 for training though which will be helpful when 
> the time comes.
> 
> Karen
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi Karen,
>> 
>> Do I read your message correctly that you're still using DOS?  If that's the 
>> case, by all means get a Mac.  Once you get used to it, you will love it.
>> Cheers,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:03 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Donna,
>>> profound thanks.  That does make things more clear for me.  Its funny as I 
>>> have been meaning to ask about dragon dictate, may still for a different 
>>> reason.
>>> However this moves me closer to a new mac, since I would have to use a full 
>>> sized keyboard otherwise.  the smaller laptop keyboards were just not 
>>> giving me the sort of dexterity control I am used to with my main dos 
>>> machine with he vo controls very awkward, and I was unsure how I would like 
>>> all that flipping, smile.
>>> If one can control more things via voice, then this will make a big 
>>> difference.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Donna Goodin wrote:
>>> 
 Karen,

 There are two different speech features.  You can activate, one, both, or 
 neither of them.

 One is Dictation.  this is new to ML.  It allows you to dictate what you 
 want to write any time that you are in a text field.  This feature is also 
 on the newest iPad, and the iPhone 4s.  You can, however, accomplish 
 similar things  on an older iPhone using apps like Dragon Dictation.

 The other is an option in Accessibility under System Prefs called 
 Speakable items.  This you can configure to let you control many different 
 things on your Mac, opening and closing apps, opening and closing 
 documents, finding the time and date, and many other things.  It is closer 
 to Siri on the iPhone 4s.  It was in older versions of the Mac OS, but it 
 did not work very well.

 Hope this clarifies things.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Karen Lewellen  
 wrote:

> I see.  Anything you cannot control with this feature?
> Karen.
> 
> 
> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Yes, it is new to Mountain Lion. It is on the iPad, but only the third 
>> generation one. Of course, it is also on the iPhone 4S, in the form of 
>> Siri.
>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Karen Lewellen  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> is dictation new to mountain lion?  if so, does it also exist  on 
>>> things like the i-pad?
>>> thanks,
>>> Karen
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 31 Jul 2012, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, the key acts like a push-to-talk, so it works as long as you hold 
 it down. I set mine up to listen for a keyword, but then I'm on a 
 desktop so don't have to worry about battery life or heat. It's pretty 
 neat, though; I can just call out, "Alex, what time is it" and get 
 told, or tell it to open an app or quit something.
 On

Re: dictation success!

Hi Neil
When you can get it to work, you need to say the phrase "tell me what to say "
This will bring up a list of phrases because the words have to be exact

Eugenia Firth
gigifi...@sbcglobal.net



On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, 
> but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". 
>> You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by 
>> speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, 
>> it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is 
>> the other part that accepts commands for system operations.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
>>> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
>>> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us 
>>> yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table 
 and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are 
 using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set 
 the input source to be that USB microphone.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, 
> would love to try it out. Thanks. 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into 
>> a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. And, my 
>> air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
>> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
>>> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't 
>>> support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really 
>>> well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that 
>>> amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person 
>>> than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I 
>>> did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that 
>>> there's a ceiling fan going in the background.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: dictation success!

Hi Neil
When you are setting things up, there is a list of phrases that you can use. 
The phrases have to be exact. Right now, I'm in the process of learning exact 
words to be said.
 
Eugenia Firth
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On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, 
> but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
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> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". 
>> You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by 
>> speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, 
>> it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is 
>> the other part that accepts commands for system operations.
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
>>> that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
>>> today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us 
>>> yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table 
 and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are 
 using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and set 
 the input source to be that USB microphone.
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
 
> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, 
> would love to try it out. Thanks. 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
> 
>> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking into 
>> a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. And, my 
>> air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
>> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
>>> microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't 
>>> support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really 
>>> well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that 
>>> amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person 
>>> than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I 
>>> did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that 
>>> there's a ceiling fan going in the background.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Have a great day,
>>> Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
>>> mehg...@gmail.com; http://www.facebook.com/mehgcap
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Re: speakable items

2012-07-31 Thread Lisette Wesseling

Hi Donna and Virginia
I don't even get any sound when I press and hold my speak key. I get nothing. I 
know I'm not alone in this but can't figure it out at all. It's not a show 
stopper for me if this can't work on my machine, but it would be nice.

On 1/08/2012, at 12:44 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> I for some reason didn't have to do the calibration. Although I have a like 
> trouble getting things going, once I did, things went fine. Maybe you only 
> have to do the calibration thing if the computer is not understanding
> consistently. 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
>> You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying get 
>> recognized.  Mine worked best around 60%.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed to 
>>> say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually calibrate 
>>> things.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Lisette
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Re: Bookshare update

2012-07-31 Thread Krysti .Power

Found it thanks

On Tuesday, July 31, 2012, Shai wrote:

> Hi Krysti, 
>
> It is read the number 2 go no spaces. 
>
> Thanks
>
> Shai
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com');> [mailto:
> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com');>] *On Behalf Of *Krysti .Power
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:26 AM
> *To:* macvisionaries@googlegroups.com  'macvisionaries@googlegroups.com');>
> *Subject:* Re: Bookshare update
>
> ** **
>
> Can't find iPhone app read to go
>
> On Monday, July 30, 2012, Christine Grassman wrote:
>
> Didn't know that; I frankly haven't looked at the membership info since
> joining five years ago. :) This makes me very happy, since my daughter is
> off to college next year and her brother will follow suit in a few years. I
> love bookshare almost as much as I love my iPhone and my Mac.  I often find
> myself feeling a tad envious of my kids; I would have had such a completely
> different experience growing up with the wealth of information these
> resources provide.  Just two examples:  not receiving my Braille textbooks
> on time would not have made much of a difference if I had bookshare and/or
> iBooks, and reading children's and young adult books, let alone newspapers
> at the same time as others, would have meant the world to me, as it does
> today.
>
> ** **
>
> Christine
>
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> I'd just like to add that, as far as I know, college sutdents also get in
> for free. Once you prove your disability, you need only send them your
> college email address and they will verify it and give you a subscription
> for a year from the time you do this.
>
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Christine Grassman 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> Not sure about alternative payments, but you should be able to find that
> at the membership page on the site.
>
> I was verified as an NLS subscriber, which was enough documentation for
> bookshare.
>
> https://www.bookshare.org/_/membership/overview
>
> Christine
>
> ** **
>
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:15 AM, "Krysti .Power" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> It would be worth it to me is there any other payment method besides
> credit card and does my eye doc got to fill it out or can my family doctor
> fill it out
>
> On 2012-07-30 11:59 AM, "Christine Grassman" 
> wrote:
>
> If you are in the U.S. and a student in primary or secondary school, it
> costs nothing; you merely need to prove that you have a print disability.*
> ***
>
> If you are not a student in elementary, middle, or high school, however,
> the subscription cost is $50 per year. I use it so often that this price is
> worth it to me.
>
> I am not sure of any restrictions with regard to non-U.S. subscribers. ***
> *
>
> Christine
>
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:42 AM, "Krysti .Power" 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> How much does bookshare cost I'm looking into regestering
>
> On 2012-07-30 11:27 AM, "Christine Grassman" 
> wrote:
>
> Hello all. Last night, I wrote about some downloading issues with
> bookshare, but in fact, there was no problem -- there was simply no way to
> tell that the download occurred, as there had been in the past. They did
> occur, however.
> As far as reading bookshare books in Daisy, the .xml file reads quite well
> in Safari.
> Meanwhile, I just received an e-mail from Bookshare stating that
> downloading will soon be more streamlined: essentially, one will be able to
> choose their download file preference (which can be changed at any time),
> and a pop-up menu will replace the current list of icons for downloading
> daisy with images, daisy, brf, audio, and mp3. Also, yo
>
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Re: speakable items

You won't get a sound when you do this, you will only get one if the command 
you give is understood. Also, make sure the input source is set to the 
microphone you will be using.
On Jul 31, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling  
wrote:

> Hi Donna and Virginia
> I don't even get any sound when I press and hold my speak key. I get nothing. 
> I know I'm not alone in this but can't figure it out at all. It's not a show 
> stopper for me if this can't work on my machine, but it would be nice.
> 
> On 1/08/2012, at 12:44 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> I for some reason didn't have to do the calibration. Although I have a like 
>> trouble getting things going, once I did, things went fine. Maybe you only 
>> have to do the calibration thing if the computer is not understanding
>> consistently. 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:52 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
>> 
>>> You just kind of have to move the slider till the phrases you are saying 
>>> get recognized.  Mine worked best around 60%.
>>> Best,
>>> Donna
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Lisette Wesseling 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 How are you guys calibrating your mic? I see the phrases you're supposed 
 to say and the slider is at 100 % but I don't get how to actually 
 calibrate things.
 Thanks.
 
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Re: dictation success!

2012-07-31 Thread Les Kriegler

Hi All,

Okay, I said a couple of the phrases in the calibration setup and I heard a 
sound.  So I'm guessing this should work now?  I redefined the key again, now 
it's Command Escape.  I hold it down for about a second and speak, "What time 
is it."  I hear no response from the computer.  Now what?

Les
On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi Neil
> When you can get it to work, you need to say the phrase "tell me what to say "
> This will bring up a list of phrases because the words have to be exact
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 31, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> sorry, where do you enable that bit though, I mean I can dictate no issue, 
>> but, how does one ask what day it is etc?
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple 
>> iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 01:48, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>>> These are commands you can give, like "what time is it" or "open iPhoto". 
>>> You can even select buttons shown in the currently open dialog just by 
>>> speaking them. If you are at all familiar with Windows speech recognition, 
>>> it's like dictation is the text input part of that and speakable objects is 
>>> the other part that accepts commands for system operations.
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:45 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
>>> 
 Ok, easy enough. What is this about speakable Items I'm seeing how does 
 that effect this. Sorry I'm so late coming into this, I've been at work 
 today and not able to keep up with this a lot as they haven't upgraded us 
 yet. Thanks for your patience guys. 
 On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:41 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
> You go into system preferences, then accessibility. Interact with a table 
> and select dictation. Turn it on, then follow the dialogs. If you are 
> using a usb microphone, you may have to going to sound preferences and 
> set the input source to be that USB microphone.
> On Jul 30, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Tim Emmons  wrote:
> 
>> I'm just getting used to Mountain Lion. How do you get into dictation, 
>> would love to try it out. Thanks. 
>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:
>> 
>>> Well Alex, good for you. I love the dictation as well. I am talking 
>>> into a Griffin IMike with a Gigaware  are microphone attached to it. 
>>> And, my air conditioner is going in the background. Not bad Huh?
>>> I have only made small corrections to this dictation.?
>>> Sincerely,
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Jul 30, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all,
 I am also having great luck with dictation. I have a cheap desktop 
 microphone going through a cheap usb sound card (since the mac doesn't 
 support direct input of non-powered mics) but it is still doing really 
 well. In my quick tests, it made no mistakes. This, paired with that 
 amazing speakable items feature, will make me an even lazier person 
 than I already am. Ironically, I didn't dictate this entire message. I 
 did, however, dictate these last two sentences. I should also add that 
 there's a ceiling fan going in the background.
 
 
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Re: speakable items