Hi, thanks for that. I've now turned quicknav off but when I use shift and down, or Shift Option left or right, nothing happens. It does work if I interact with the text, but then what if I want to select a few paragraphs? I tried selecting a line of your reply, and it wouldn't do it. Also, I don't mind the file opening rather than downloading when I VO Space, but I do mind the fact that it then refuses to select the options for a link when I press VO Shift M, and instead brings the menu up for the page. I think that is definitely a bug, and not a preference.
And finally, I just entered on the Selecting Text option in VO help, and it opened Safari, and there was no page. I think I might start a commune for distressed Mac users with Brian (I think his name was); I can't remember now, I've been mentally worn down by Mac issues0. On 31/07/2012, Alex Hall <mehg...@gmail.com> wrote: > My responses are below. Sorry I can't be more specific. > On Jul 31, 2012, at 2:14 PM, David Eagle <onlineea...@googlemail.com> > wrote: > >> pressing shift and the arrow keys does absolutely nothing, and it >> never has for me. And Text Edit is too convoluted for what I want it >> to do. If I want to to just copy the text in a webpage in windows, >> then I will just select what I want and then paste it into notepad. If >> I do this in Text Edit then it inserts all the formatting of the page >> including links, making it impossible to just save as a text file. > First, try turning quicknav off. To copy a line, use shift-down. A word, > would be shift-option-right (or left), and so on, just like when you are > editing. Quicknav really might be your problem here, and that's why I almost > always leave it off. > > Second, try turning smart paste off. I believe you can vo-shift-m and go > down to the substitutions menu. This may help your pasting problem. >> Also, when you choose View Source for a website in windows, it is >> accessible, but seemingly this is not the case on a Mac. This is one >> of the reasons I don't think I'll ever fully use a Mac. > I have never tried this, so can't comment. >> >> I am currently struggling to download a file, because when I VO Space >> on it, it opens the MP3 file and starts playing it. If I VO Shift and >> M, then it doesn't give me a download option; it only gives me options >> like 'print page'. And to think I was being complimentary about the >> mac earlier. Then again I was on a PC at the time. > IE and Firefox do the same thing. Try going into preferences, or just google > "download mp3 file in safari" and see what others have done to solve this. I > bet it is a setting, not a bug at all. >> >> Right I'm off to try and find out the keyboard shortcut for forcing >> errant Macs to download a file. >> >> On 31/07/2012, Brandon Olivares <programmer2...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I use primarily vim to program. Just regular vim (I don't like macvim as >>> much). If I want to do something real quickly, I use TextEdit. Sometimes >>> I'll write something in TextEdit and then reformat it for indenting and >>> such >>> in vim. In vim you can reformat an entire file with: gg=G - and I find >>> that >>> immensely useful. Also the jump to closing brackets/parentheses, and a >>> lot >>> of other features, are indispensable. >>> >>> Brandon >>> On Jul 31, 2012, at 11:09 AM, David Eagle <onlineea...@googlemail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> For me, mountain Lion is much faster, and much more reliable; says me >>>> who's writing this email on a PC. >>>> >>>> Incidentaly, someone said that selecting text is easier now in >>>> Mountain Lion. I have a very hard time selecting text in Safari. How >>>> do people do it? What happens when you want to select a few >>>> paragraphs? >>>> >>>> And Finally, Brandon: what to you use on the Mac for programming? I am >>>> trying to find a simple programme like Notepad on the Mac so that I >>>> can write HTML and XML files. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 31/07/2012, Missy Hoppe <mitmee....@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi! I was trying to refrain from jumpint in on this topic, but I'm >>>>> genuinely >>>>> baffled by the original post and those who >>>>> supported it. The original post may have reflected my feelings about >>>>> lion, >>>>> and I remember being tempted to sell my mac last >>>>> year because I found lion to be so hateful, but I just made the best >>>>> of >>>>> it, >>>>> knowing that updates would come along and fix the >>>>> problems sooner or later. Sure enough, patience paid off. If I'm ever >>>>> going >>>>> to enjoy using my mac on a more regular basis, >>>>> Mountain Lion will be the OS that makes that happen. So far as I can >>>>> tell, >>>>> almost everything I hated about lion has been >>>>> fixed, and for the 1 or 2 very minor issues that still exist, I have >>>>> my >>>>> external drive that runs snow leopard. Mountain lion >>>>> is significantly faster than Lion was, I haven't had any busies that I >>>>> can >>>>> recall, and best of all, VO always comes on at >>>>> start-up, something which almost never happened under lion for me. >>>>> Folks >>>>> are >>>>> definitely entitled to their opinions, but this >>>>> almost seems like deliberate bashing just to cause drama. Maybe I'm >>>>> the >>>>> exception to the rule, but I simply can't imagine >>>>> anyone thinking that Lion was better than ML. >>>>> OK. I'm done now. I don't want to contribute too much to the drama, >>>>> but >>>>> I >>>>> just had to speak up since for me, Mountain Lion is >>>>> like a night and day improvement over Lion, and I'm genuinely excited >>>>> about >>>>> using my mac now. >>>>> Missy >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Tanner >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:17 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion >>>>> >>>>> I would definately agree, but if you remember, last year when Lion >>>>> came >>>>> out >>>>> we went through this same complaint cycle. People want all the new >>>>> stuff, >>>>> but they want it to all work the same and don't want to take the time >>>>> and >>>>> energy to learn the new stuff. Some how it should >>>>> just jump into their minds how to do everything. >>>>> >>>>> Perhaps, people should get the two new books from Bookshare about >>>>> Mountain >>>>> Lion and study those and learn before complaining. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Kawal Gucukoglu" <kawa...@me.com> >>>>> To: <macvisionaries@googlegroups.com> >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:42 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: Very Disappointed with Mountain Lion >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello All. >>>>> >>>>> Now what I might say may be something that people may not like but I >>>>> am >>>>> one >>>>> for plain speaking and will not mince my words. However, this is my >>>>> opinion. >>>>> >>>>> People say that they may be disappointed with one thing or another and >>>>> it >>>>> is >>>>> their right to do so of course. >>>>> >>>>> But when anything new is released, there is going to be bugs etc as I >>>>> have >>>>> been a beta tester and know how hard people work to get a product into >>>>> shape. >>>>> >>>>> So rather than people complaining as people seem to do, why not just >>>>> send >>>>> your concerns to Apple Accessibility and rather than bashing a product >>>>> work >>>>> with them to improve a producct? It would be so positivve to do that >>>>> and >>>>> sit and be passive about things as everyone would make a difference. >>>>> If >>>>> everything was plain sailing, life would be dull. So chill and think >>>>> to >>>>> do >>>>> something positive. >>>>> >>>>> Kawal. >>>>> >>>>> On 31 Jul 2012, at 04:41 AM, James Mannion <mannion...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> And when the accessible web browsing experience on the mac at least >>>>>> matches windows, I'll buy it. busy busy busy, can't handel large >>>>>> amounts of text, ignores this and that on the page, the entire web >>>>>> thing was why I gave up on the mac thing and sold my mac mini. To do >>>>>> the web on the mac you have to put on those rose colored glasses that >>>>>> view everything from a pro Apple perspective and you can't require >>>>>> that it gets the job done. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jim >>>>>> >>>>>> On 7/30/12, Brian Fischler <blindga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> Been reading all these posts the last few days about how amazed >>>>>>> everyone is with Mountain Lion, and not sure what all the amazement >>>>>>> iss about. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It only took three days as I just had to use the Force Quit for >>>>>>> Safari, and all it took was actually trying to login to my Yahoo >>>>>>> Fantasy Baseball Page. I pulled it up and first the first time ever >>>>>>> got a cookie message that said my safari cookie had expired, after I >>>>>>> got out of that window safari did nothing but Busy Busy Busy for the >>>>>>> better part of ten minutes before I went to force quit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I already had been very unimpressed with Mountain Lion between the >>>>>>> VO >>>>>>> space bar not properly selecting items I clicked on to the features >>>>>>> being very blah Seriously dictation is useless for anyone who knows >>>>>>> how to type. The notification center is useless especially if you >>>>>>> keep >>>>>>> Night Owl open like I do to Tweet, and Imessage, I'm sorry but I >>>>>>> fail >>>>>>> to see the point as most of us have our Iphone sitting right next to >>>>>>> us. 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