Re: Stus-List 33 mk II Repowering- Nothing is ever easy.

[Rich Knowles]

Go, Gord, go!  Nothing like a little challenge to get the creative juices 
flowing:) I can lend you my chainsaw if it will help?

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-03-12, at 3:32, "Gord Tidmarsh"  wrote:

I'm in the throes of repowering a 1986 33 II.  After much deliberation, I chose 
a Beta 25 to replace the existing Yanmar 2gm.  Dimensionally, the replacement 
sat within the footprint of the existing Yanmar.  The problem is that the 
footprint assumes a square engine space with access on both sides and that that 
the relative widths of the port and starboard sides of the engine, (including 
peripherals) are similar. Unfortunately, that is not the case.
 
All the available engines in the appropriate size range, including the new 
Yanmar 3YM20, have the heat exchanger and exhaust system located on the port 
side rather than to starboard as on the 2 GM and, I believe, the 3GM as well.  
This of course dramatically changes how the new engine sits in the available 
space.  I turns out that the port side of the Beta profile is the narrowest of 
the available engines, but only by a few millimeters. 
 
We determined that the port side of the engine box was about 2 inches too 
narrow to accommodate the heat exchanger and were forced to accept the fact 
that we were going to have to alter the port side of the engine enclosure to 
provide the space required.  We also realized that we needed to provide 
additional access to allow potential removal of the heat exchanger and easier 
access to the starter (more likely).
 
Fortunately, on the 33 II, there is a dead space on the port side of the engine 
enclosure under the quarter berth of sufficient width that could be used to 
provide the required access. This meant cutting out the side of the enclosure 
and a small section of the quarter berth.  The removed section will be cut and 
reconfigured to accommodate the extra width for the engine and refastened to 
allow future access to the port side of the engine and the stuffing box if 
necessary.
 
It also turns out that the configuration of the after storage lockers under the 
quarter berth presented an additional impediment for the exhaust and CW 
discharge on the new engine.  The bulkhead is within 18 inches of the end of 
the exhaust manifold and there is insufficient space to the accommodate the 
exhaust riser and "bend" the wet exhaust hose around the bulkhead to connect to 
the water lock.  Wasn't an issue with the old 2GM!  This matter was resolved 
with the installation of a "crossover" riser unit that Beta can supply.
 
Thought some might be interested in hearing about the trials and tribulations 
of one repowering exercise.  Nothing that a few boat bucks won't solve!
 
Gord Tidmarsh
"Masquerade"
' 86 C&C 33 Mk II 
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Re: Stus-List 33 mk II Repowering- Nothing is ever easy.

[Della Barba, Joe]

Unless the heat exchanger is welded onto the engine, can’t you just move it 
someplace else?

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Re: Stus-List 33 mk II Repowering- Nothing is ever easy.

[Paul Fountain]

Gord,

 

I installed the Beta 25 in our C&C 33-II a couple of years ago, other than
cutting the support at the front of the engine cover box, relocating the oil
filter, and having spacers made for the engine mounts it was an easy (close)
fit.

 

My boat is at 50 Point for the winter if you want to look  Guessing
you are in Oakville or Lascalles ?

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gord
Tidmarsh
Sent: March-12-13 2:33 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 33 mk II Repowering- Nothing is ever easy.

 

I'm in the throes of repowering a 1986 33 II.  After much deliberation, I
chose a Beta 25 to replace the existing Yanmar 2gm.  Dimensionally, the
replacement sat within the footprint of the existing Yanmar.  The problem is
that the footprint assumes a square engine space with access on both sides
and that that the relative widths of the port and starboard sides of the
engine, (including peripherals) are similar. Unfortunately, that is not the
case. 

 

All the available engines in the appropriate size range, including the new
Yanmar 3YM20, have the heat exchanger and exhaust system located on the port
side rather than to starboard as on the 2 GM and, I believe, the 3GM as
well.  This of course dramatically changes how the new engine sits in the
available space.  I turns out that the port side of the Beta profile is the
narrowest of the available engines, but only by a few millimeters. 

 

We determined that the port side of the engine box was about 2 inches too
narrow to accommodate the heat exchanger and were forced to accept the fact
that we were going to have to alter the port side of the engine enclosure to
provide the space required.  We also realized that we needed to provide
additional access to allow potential removal of the heat exchanger and
easier access to the starter (more likely).

 

Fortunately, on the 33 II, there is a dead space on the port side of the
engine enclosure under the quarter berth of sufficient width that could be
used to provide the required access. This meant cutting out the side of the
enclosure and a small section of the quarter berth.  The removed section
will be cut and reconfigured to accommodate the extra width for the engine
and refastened to allow future access to the port side of the engine and the
stuffing box if necessary.

 

It also turns out that the configuration of the after storage lockers under
the quarter berth presented an additional impediment for the exhaust and CW
discharge on the new engine.  The bulkhead is within 18 inches of the end of
the exhaust manifold and there is insufficient space to the accommodate the
exhaust riser and "bend" the wet exhaust hose around the bulkhead to connect
to the water lock.  Wasn't an issue with the old 2GM!  This matter was
resolved with the installation of a "crossover" riser unit that Beta can
supply.

 

Thought some might be interested in hearing about the trials and
tribulations of one repowering exercise.  Nothing that a few boat bucks
won't solve! 

 

Gord Tidmarsh

"Masquerade"

' 86 C&C 33 Mk II 

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Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[McElwreath, Daniel]

Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge pump. 
But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only  if the pump 
switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this means, the power to that 
switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am reluctant to leave 
that switch on when we are not on board because that means power would be on, 
also.  Our previous boat had a small bilge pump wired directly to the battery, 
so when water hit a certain level, pump would go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan Mc
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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[Joel Aronson]

Dan,

It is a 3 position on/off/auto switch similar to this?
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/product.do?part=11093&engine=adwords!6456&keyword=product_ad_2627&type=pla

If so, it should be left on auto.

Joel
35/3


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM, McElwreath, Daniel
wrote:

>  Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge
> pump. But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only  if
> the pump switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this means, the
> power to that switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am
> reluctant to leave that switch on when we are not on board because that
> means power would be on, also.  Our previous boat had a small bilge pump
> wired directly to the battery, so when water hit a certain level, pump
> would go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan Mc
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Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[Robert Abbott]

Dan,
You have answered your own questionwire the bilge pump direct to the 
battery...make sure there is an inline fuse.


Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2013/03/12 10:12 AM, McElwreath, Daniel wrote:
Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet 
bilge pump. But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically 
only  if the pump switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this 
means, the power to that switch has to be on, even when we are not on 
the boat. I am reluctant to leave that switch on when we are not on 
board because that means power would be on, also.  Our previous boat 
had a small bilge pump wired directly to the battery, so when water 
hit a certain level, pump would go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan Mc



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Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Richard N. Bush]

There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de


The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it? 
Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
 
The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates and 
deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution? 
 
Thanks
 
Richard
1987 33-II
 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[McElwreath, Daniel]

No, just a toggle with center position off, push to the right and pump goes on 
but you have to hold it on, push to left and it stays in that position.



From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Joel Aronson 
[joel.aron...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:23 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

Dan,

It is a 3 position on/off/auto switch similar to this?
http://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/product.do?part=11093&engine=adwords!6456&keyword=product_ad_2627&type=pla

If so, it should be left on auto.

Joel
35/3


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:12 AM, McElwreath, Daniel 
mailto:mcelwrea...@wpunj.edu>> wrote:
Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge pump. 
But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only  if the pump 
switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this means, the power to that 
switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am reluctant to leave 
that switch on when we are not on board because that means power would be on, 
also.  Our previous boat had a small bilge pump wired directly to the battery, 
so when water hit a certain level, pump would go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan Mc

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Hoyt, Mike]

Wow - what a price!  Nice boat



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Richard N. Bush
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay


 
 
There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sail
boats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it? 
Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
 
The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates
and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution? 
 
Thanks
 
Richard
1987 33-II
 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
502-584-7255





 
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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[McElwreath, Daniel]

You know, I am just thinking that maybe the pump is wired directly to the 
battery but I have never left the toggle in the ON position when I nleft the 
boat.  I will have to try that , fill the bilge with some water, then turn off 
the power, but leave the toggle in the on position.


From: Robert Abbott [robertabb...@eastlink.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 9:25 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: McElwreath, Daniel
Subject: lovet bilge pump

Dan,
You have answered your own questionwire the bilge pump direct to the 
battery...make sure there is an inline fuse.

Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.




On 2013/03/12 10:12 AM, McElwreath, Daniel wrote:
Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge pump. 
But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only  if the pump 
switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this means, the power to that 
switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am reluctant to leave 
that switch on when we are not on board because that means power would be on, 
also.  Our previous boat had a small bilge pump wired directly to the battery, 
so when water hit a certain level, pump would go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan Mc



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Re: Stus-List 33 mk II Repowering- Nothing is ever easy.

[Richard N. Bush]

Gord; what was the cause for the repower?   (he asked nervously...)


Richard
1987 33-II


Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
502-584-7255



-Original Message-
From: Gord Tidmarsh 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 2:33 am
Subject: Stus-List 33 mk II Repowering- Nothing is ever easy.



I'm in the throes of repowering a 1986 33 II.  After much deliberation, I chose 
a Beta 25 to replace the existing Yanmar 2gm.  Dimensionally, the replacement 
sat within the footprint of the existing Yanmar.  The problem is that the 
footprint assumes a square engine space with access on both sides and that that 
the relative widths of the port and starboard sides of the engine, (including 
peripherals) are similar. Unfortunately, that is not the case. 
 
All the available engines in the appropriate size range, including the new 
Yanmar 3YM20, have the heat exchanger and exhaust system located on the port 
side rather than to starboard as on the 2 GM and, I believe, the 3GM as well.  
This of course dramatically changes how the new engine sits in the available 
space.  I turns out that the port side of the Beta profile is the narrowest of 
the available engines, but only by a few millimeters. 
 
We determined that the port side of the engine box was about 2 inches too 
narrow to accommodate the heat exchanger and were forced to accept the fact 
that we were going to have to alter the port side of the engine enclosure to 
provide the space required.  We also realized that we needed to provide 
additional access to allow potential removal of the heat exchanger and easier 
access to the starter (more likely).
 
Fortunately, on the 33 II, there is a dead space on the port side of the engine 
enclosure under the quarter berth of sufficient width that could be used to 
provide the required access. This meant cutting out the side of the enclosure 
and a small section of the quarter berth.  The removed section will be cut and 
reconfigured to accommodate the extra width for the engine and refastened to 
allow future access to the port side of the engine and the stuffing box if 
necessary.
 
It also turns out that the configuration of the after storage lockers under the 
quarter berth presented an additional impediment for the exhaust and CW 
discharge on the new engine.  The bulkhead is within 18 inches of the end of 
the exhaust manifold and there is insufficient space to the accommodate the 
exhaust riser and "bend" the wet exhaust hose around the bulkhead to connect to 
the water lock.  Wasn't an issue with the old 2GM!  This matter was resolved 
with the installation of a "crossover" riser unit that Beta can supply.
 
Thought some might be interested in hearing about the trials and tribulations 
of one repowering exercise.  Nothing that a few boat bucks won't solve! 
 
Gord Tidmarsh
"Masquerade"
' 86 C&C 33 Mk II 

 
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Re: Stus-List 33 mk II Repowering- Nothing is ever easy.

[Rich Knowles]

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-03-12, at 10:25, "Richard N. Bush"  wrote:

Gord; what was the cause for the repower?   (he asked nervously...)
Richard
1987 33-II
 

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
235 South Fifth Street, Fourth Floor 
Louisville, Kentucky 40202 
502-584-7255
-Original Message-
From: Gord Tidmarsh 
To: cnc-list 
Sent: Tue, Mar 12, 2013 2:33 am
Subject: Stus-List 33 mk II Repowering- Nothing is ever easy.

I'm in the throes of repowering a 1986 33 II.  After much deliberation, I chose 
a Beta 25 to replace the existing Yanmar 2gm.  Dimensionally, the replacement 
sat within the footprint of the existing Yanmar.  The problem is that the 
footprint assumes a square engine space with access on both sides and that that 
the relative widths of the port and starboard sides of the engine, (including 
peripherals) are similar. Unfortunately, that is not the case.
 
All the available engines in the appropriate size range, including the new 
Yanmar 3YM20, have the heat exchanger and exhaust system located on the port 
side rather than to starboard as on the 2 GM and, I believe, the 3GM as well.  
This of course dramatically changes how the new engine sits in the available 
space.  I turns out that the port side of the Beta profile is the narrowest of 
the available engines, but only by a few millimeters. 
 
We determined that the port side of the engine box was about 2 inches too 
narrow to accommodate the heat exchanger and were forced to accept the fact 
that we were going to have to alter the port side of the engine enclosure to 
provide the space required.  We also realized that we needed to provide 
additional access to allow potential removal of the heat exchanger and easier 
access to the starter (more likely).
 
Fortunately, on the 33 II, there is a dead space on the port side of the engine 
enclosure under the quarter berth of sufficient width that could be used to 
provide the required access. This meant cutting out the side of the enclosure 
and a small section of the quarter berth.  The removed section will be cut and 
reconfigured to accommodate the extra width for the engine and refastened to 
allow future access to the port side of the engine and the stuffing box if 
necessary.
 
It also turns out that the configuration of the after storage lockers under the 
quarter berth presented an additional impediment for the exhaust and CW 
discharge on the new engine.  The bulkhead is within 18 inches of the end of 
the exhaust manifold and there is insufficient space to the accommodate the 
exhaust riser and "bend" the wet exhaust hose around the bulkhead to connect to 
the water lock.  Wasn't an issue with the old 2GM!  This matter was resolved 
with the installation of a "crossover" riser unit that Beta can supply.
 
Thought some might be interested in hearing about the trials and tribulations 
of one repowering exercise.  Nothing that a few boat bucks won't solve!
 
Gord Tidmarsh
"Masquerade"
' 86 C&C 33 Mk II 
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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[dwight veinot]

I agree you want it straight to the battery and also maybe parallel to the
switch.but straight to the battery will turn it on when the float switch in
the bilge activates it.  Make sure to put an inline fuse in series with the
power line (+) at the battery terminal 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

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McElwreath, Daniel
Sent: March 12, 2013 10:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

 

Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge
pump. But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only  if
the pump switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this means, the
power to that switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am
reluctant to leave that switch on when we are not on board because that
means power would be on, also.  Our previous boat had a small bilge pump
wired directly to the battery, so when water hit a certain level, pump would
go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan Mc

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Stus-List Repowering

[Rich Knowles]

An FYI that I still have a low hour Yanmar 3QM30 looking for a welcoming bilge. 
4 grand. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax


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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[Andrew Burton]

I just did the test on my boat. With the battery switch off, I toggled the
3-way bilge pump switch from AUTO to ON. I wanted to check if the pump was
hard wired to the 12 V system. The pump came on, so I know that if I leave
it to AUTO when everything's off, it will still pump the bilge. I could
also have tested by leaving it at AUTO and reaching into the bilge and
lifting the float switch to see if that activated the pump. If it didn't
come on when I lifted the float switch, I'd know that it either was not
hard wired in or the float switch wasn't working.
Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 9:36 AM, McElwreath, Daniel
wrote:

>  You know, I am just thinking that maybe the pump is wired directly to
> the battery but I have never left the toggle in the ON position when I
> nleft the boat.  I will have to try that , fill the bilge with some water,
> then turn off the power, but leave the toggle in the on position.
> --
>
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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[McElwreath, Daniel]

All, thanks for info.  I am going to make sure there is a fuse, but the PO did 
a prettgy good job whenever he upgraded, so I think there will be one.  Then I 
will test with power off and switch on.  Thanks.


From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of dwight veinot 
[dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

I agree you want it straight to the battery and also maybe parallel to the 
switch…but straight to the battery will turn it on when the float switch in the 
bilge activates it.  Make sure to put an inline fuse in series with the power 
line (+) at the battery terminal

Dwight Veinot
C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of McElwreath, 
Daniel
Sent: March 12, 2013 10:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge pump. 
But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only  if the pump 
switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this means, the power to that 
switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am reluctant to leave 
that switch on when we are not on board because that means power would be on, 
also.  Our previous boat had a small bilge pump wired directly to the battery, 
so when water hit a certain level, pump would go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan Mc

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Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels NOw Deisel fuel comparisons................

[David Knecht]

The dye is to distinguish fuels by their taxation.  Marine diesel is not 
subject to road tax so is dyed red. That does not mean it is cheaper due to 
state taxes or supply/demand

"In United States of America, the Environmental Protection Agency mandates use 
of a red dye to identify high-sulfur fuels for off-road use.  The Internal 
Revenue Service mandates use of the same red dyes, in fivefold concentration, 
for tax-exempt diesel fuels such as heating oil"

BUT- The marine diesel is Low sulfur and the road diesel is ultra-low sulfur.  
My engine mechanic told me that they were seeing lots of lift pump failures due 
to low sulfur fuel causing damage to the rubber over time.  I am not sure if 
the difference in low vs. ultra-low matters or it is the general drop in sulfur 
content that occurred in 1997 when the sulfur rules changed.  I doubt there is 
anything other than empirical data at this point. I don't think you will see 
any difference in performance, but rubber component lifetime is what you want 
to look out for.  Dave

On Mar 12, 2013, at 1:05 AM, Russ & Melody wrote:

> Hi Ron,
> 
> I agree with going for the cheaper fuel choice but I hope none of us are 
> willing to pay extra for a higher cetane rating thinking they are getting a 
> "better" fuel for the lil' diesel engine. At the speeds we operate our 
> engines the minimum cetane rated fuels (>42) are just fine.
> 
> Do spend a few bucks on a quality additive though. Since they reduced sulphur 
> content of diesel our old fuel delivery systems can suffer.
> 
> Cheers, Russ
> Sweet 35 mk-1
> 
> At 02:36 PM 11/03/2013, you wrote:
>> All, I sat through a workshop form the Yanmar guru on diesel engines some 
>> time ago in Newport RI.  He claimed that the “truck stop” diesel had a 
>> higher Cetane rating than the then marine diesel and recommended that we use 
>>  the “Trucker’s fuel”  It was more rigorously regulated than marine diesel 
>> at the timeboth were supposed to catch up at some point, but I still  go 
>> to the local truck stop for my diesel………it’s significantly cheaper as 
>> well
>>  
>> Ron C.
>> C&C 38MKIIC….’77 repowered with Yanmar Ygm30 Sail dirve
>> Impromptu
>>  
>> From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Martin 
>> DeYoung
>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 2:27 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels
>>  
>> Ø   cheaper because it is not subject to the fuel tax - hence the red 
>> dye. <
>>  
>> Back in the mid 90’s I delivered a Bendytoy 42 to San Diego.  The wind was 
>> light from Cape Flattery to Crescent City California.  We stopped in 
>> Crescent City to re-fuel.  The fuel dock only had un-taxed (red dye) fuel 
>> and at that time the St. of Calif. required you to have a commercial boat to 
>> use dyed/un-taxed fuel.
>>  
>> We had to flip a $20 to a local fisherman to drive several round trips to a 
>> gas station that sold diesel.  We filled the boat’s fuel tank and the spare 
>> jerry cans with enough fuel to make it half way to San Diego if the wind 
>> stayed light.  Fortunately the wind soon returned to West Coast, late summer 
>> normal and we had a good sail for much of that leg arriving at San Diego 
>> with several hours of fuel left.
>>  
>> Martin
>> Calypso
>> 1970 C&C 43
>> Seattle
>> 
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>> Aronson
>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 10:48 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels
>>  
>> Marine diesel should be cheaper because it is not subject to the fuel tax - 
>> hence the red dye.  Of course, the word "Marine" has its own tax.  
>>  
>>  
>> Joel
>> 35/3
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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[Dennis C.]

Dan,

When I install/wire bilge pumps with float switch, I use a Rule #43 or Blue Sea 
8263 rocker switch with built in fuse.  I wire the power to the switch to the 
back of the main battery switch (Perko) to the post for either the #1 or #2 
battery.  Functionally, it's wired to the battery but isn't in the battery box.

The only wiring in the battery boxes should be the + and - battery cables.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





>
> From: "McElwreath, Daniel" 
>To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:12 AM
>Subject: Stus-List lovet bilge pump
> 
>
> 
>Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge pump. 
>But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only  if the pump 
>switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this means, the power to that 
>switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am reluctant to leave 
>that switch on when we are not on board because that means power would be on, 
>also.  Our previous boat had a small bilge pump wired directly to the battery, 
>so when water hit a certain level, pump would go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan 
>Mc
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Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels NOw Deisel fuel comparisons................

[David Knecht]

I found this really good description of the issues on 
http://www.enertechlabs.com/nrlm.htm
As of June 1st, 2007 refiners and distributors of Non-Road or Off-Highway 
Diesel, which is designated NRLM will be required by the US EPA to dramatically 
reduce the sulfur content in these fuels.

Diesel Fuel which is used for agricultural, power generation, construction, 
locomotives, and marine will go from High Sulfur (HSD or S-5000) to Low Sulfur 
(LSD or S500).

This fuel will be more expensive, have far less lubricity (the ability of the 
fuel to lubricate pumps and injectors), will hold a higher percentage of 
dissolved water, will have less thermal and oxidative stability, and will cause 
more repair/maintenance problems for the end user.

There are further compounding problems for distributors and end users of these 
fuels.

In all cases regarding these fuels the regulations regarding sulfur content are 
written to limit the maximum amount of sulfur in each category. A High Sulfur 
Diesel (HSD, S5000) is limited to a maximum of 5000 ppm of sulfur. A Low Sulfur 
Diesel (LSD S-5000) is limited to a maximum of 500 ppm of sulfur. An Ultra Low 
Sulfur Diesel Fuel (ULSD S-15) is limited a maximum of 15 ppm of sulfur. It is 
important to note that there is no lower limit to these regulations or the 
corresponding ASTM specifications. This means that a fuel distributor or 
supplier can legally supply ULSD to a customer and call it ULSD, LSD, or HSD. 
They are under no obligation to tell the customer the sulfur content is lower.

Red dye indicates that no federal highway use tax has been paid on a given 
fuel. Red dye tells a used nothing about the grade or quality of any fuel. The 
idea that red dye indicates heating fuel is mistaken. A red dyed fuel may be 
heating oil or it may be any grade of diesel fuel.

To make things even more complicated, the EPA believes that a significant 
number of off-highway fuel users have in the past or may in the future attempt 
to purchase and use heating fuel for NRLM purposes. To control this problem, 
the EPA is requiring that starting in June of 2007 distributors in most of the 
US begin adding a marker dye to heating fuels. This marker dye is referred to 
as Yellow Dye 124 and will be used at a very low level. The low level being 
used may not even be visible to the naked eye; however detection devices will 
easily pick it up. The EPA will then pursue and prosecute the offender(s).

You cannot tell what level or grade of fuel you are getting by looking at it. 
The equipment necessary to test things like sulfur content, lubricity, Cetane 
level, etc. costs tens of thousands of dollars and is not practical for field 
use. There are companies selling various devices that claim to be able to test 
Cetane level via specific gravity. These devices are not accurate and should 
not be used.

The lowering of sulfur content in these NRLM fuels will have the following 
effects:

The fuel will have significantly lower lubricity. The current ASTM 
specification for lubricity is HFRR 520 (a lower number is better). This 
specification is less than is suggested by the Engine Manufacturers Association 
which is HFRR 460. The engines that have been using HSD have in general been 
using fuel with HFRR 380-420. This huge change will cause engine seal, pump, 
and injector problems. The older the engine the more likely it suffer a serious 
failure. It will require the use of additives to allow the fuel to meet the 
engine manufacturers required specification.

 
The LSD-ULSD fuels will hold more dissolved water. This will lead to more 
corrosion, more gum, varnish, and carbon deposits in the fuel system and 
combustion chamber. This water will allow more bacterial and fungal growth in 
the fuel, it cause more cold weather problems with icing of tanks, fuel lines, 
fuel filters, and so on.

 
These new fuels will have more cold weather problems and they will be much more 
difficult to treat.

 
There will be issues regarding availability and cost of #1 fuels for winter 
blending.

 
The new fuel will be more expensive.

 
The change to these new fuels and the changes mandated for segregating fuel 
oils used for heating will likely cause spot shortages.

 
The new fuel is far less stable than the HSD people are used to. Oxidative and 
Thermal instability will cause problems in fuel stored for even short periods 
of time. Certain engines that have high returned fuel temperatures may have 
fuel filter problems due to asphaltene production during operation.

 
The new fuel contains 3-4% less energy (Btu?s) per gallon. In many cases there 
will be noticeable loss of power and economy.

 
The new fuel is less viscous (about 20% less) than the previous fuel. This can 
cause leakage wherever there is an o-ring or hose or pipe connection. This can 
also allow internal leakage in pumps and injectors.

 
The new fuel has lower aromatic content. This leads to seal and gasket 
shrinkage and makes engines more

Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels NOw Deisel fuel comparisons................

[Della Barba, Joe]

AFAIK there are several companies selling additives to correct these issues.

Joe Della Barba
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Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels NOw Deisel fuel comparisons................

[sam . c . salter]

When ULSD came to Canada I had concerns and did some research. Some of the info on the Web was contradictory so to be on the safe side I started adding a lubricity enhancer. $20 for a big bottle from NAPA. I sail on a lake and don't use a lot of diesel - 1 tank lasts at least 3 seasons.So I top up the tank when it gets about 1/2 empty giving me 1/2 tank of fresh fuel every 2nd season. I buy white diesel from my local garage as the storage tank is likely cleaner and don't use any additives other than the lubricity additive.I haven't had any seal problems or starting problems since I started doing this about 6 years ago. Sam :-) From: Della Barba, JoeSent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:45 AMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels NOw Deisel fuel	comparisonsAFAIK there are several companies selling additives to correct these issues. Joe Della Barba ___
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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[dwight veinot]

A small fuse, 2-5 amp I suggest.it protects the wire from overheat not the
pump so close to the battery terminal

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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McElwreath, Daniel
Sent: March 12, 2013 11:29 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

 

All, thanks for info.  I am going to make sure there is a fuse, but the PO
did a prettgy good job whenever he upgraded, so I think there will be one.
Then I will test with power off and switch on.  Thanks. 

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[dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

I agree you want it straight to the battery and also maybe parallel to the
switch.but straight to the battery will turn it on when the float switch in
the bilge activates it.  Make sure to put an inline fuse in series with the
power line (+) at the battery terminal 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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McElwreath, Daniel
Sent: March 12, 2013 10:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

 

Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge
pump. But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only  if
the pump switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this means, the
power to that switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am
reluctant to leave that switch on when we are not on board because that
means power would be on, also.  Our previous boat had a small bilge pump
wired directly to the battery, so when water hit a certain level, pump would
go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan Mc

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Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels NOw Deisel fuel comparisons................

[Della Barba, Joe]

http://www.stanadyne.com/view.php?id=45



Joe Della Barba

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sam.c.sal...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 11:14 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels NOw Deisel fuel 
comparisons

When ULSD came to Canada I had concerns and did some research.
Some of the info on the Web was contradictory so to be on the safe side I 
started adding a lubricity enhancer. $20 for a big bottle from NAPA.

I sail on a lake and don't use a lot of diesel - 1 tank lasts at least 3 
seasons.
So I top up the tank when it gets about 1/2 empty giving me 1/2 tank of fresh 
fuel every 2nd season.
I buy white diesel from my local garage as the storage tank is likely cleaner 
and don't use any additives other than the lubricity additive.
I haven't had any seal problems or starting problems since I started doing this 
about 6 years ago.
Sam :-)


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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Engine Control Panels NOw Deisel fuel

comparisons


AFAIK there are several companies selling additives to correct these issues.

Joe Della Barba

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Re: Stus-List Sail logo

[Ken Heaton]

As nobody seems to know what to call a C&C 37 XL (or is it a C&C 37/40 XL?,
or is it a C&C 40 XL?) the sailmaker probably just decided to
leave the designation off.

Ken H.


On 11 March 2013 23:05, Pat Nevitt  wrote:

> That is just like the one on my North main except under the logo in
> smaller font is 29-2
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
>
> This is what the logo looks like on our North Main:
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x2Au24TWnpo/TMzYwz12rII/Jkg/vR2C3pc8pZ4/s1198/IMG_2275.JPG
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> On 11 March 2013 20:39, Jim And Micki Reinardy wrote:
>
>> Jake,
>>
>> Thanks, it's on the order but the sailmaker was not sure it would look
>> like.  I appreciate all the feedback.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:36 PM, "Jake Brodersen" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Jim,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> One thing I’ve learned with sail makers, assume nothing.  Specify it on
>> your order.  I didn’t ask for it, but it was done anyway.  I sure like it
>> though.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jake
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Jake Brodersen*
>>
>> *C&C 35 Mk-III*
>>
>> *Midnight Mistress*
>>
>> *Hampton VA*
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List 
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>> *On Behalf Of *Firewater
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2013 5:41 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* 
>> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail logo
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jake,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> My main is going to be from North as well.  I assume they have that logo
>> on file, but will find out.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jim
>>
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Re: Stus-List Sail logo

[dwight veinot]

What does the designation "XL" signify?   And the R in 34R or 37R, does it
mean "racer"

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Heaton
Sent: March 12, 2013 1:28 PM
To: Pat Nevitt
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail logo

 

As nobody seems to know what to call a C&C 37 XL (or is it a C&C 37/40 XL?,
or is it a C&C 40 XL?) the sailmaker probably just decided to leave the
designation off.

 

Ken H.

 

On 11 March 2013 23:05, Pat Nevitt  wrote:

That is just like the one on my North main except under the logo in smaller
font is 29-2

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Ken Heaton  wrote:

This is what the logo looks like on our North Main:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x2Au24TWnpo/TMzYwz12rII/Jkg/vR2C3
pc8pZ4/s1198/IMG_2275.JPG

 

Ken H.

 

On 11 March 2013 20:39, Jim And Micki Reinardy 
wrote:

Jake,

 

Thanks, it's on the order but the sailmaker was not sure it would look like.
I appreciate all the feedback.

 

Jim

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:36 PM, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:

Jim,

 

One thing I've learned with sail makers, assume nothing.  Specify it on your
order.  I didn't ask for it, but it was done anyway.  I sure like it though.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail logo

 

Jake,

 

My main is going to be from North as well.  I assume they have that logo on
file, but will find out.

 

Thanks,

 

Jim

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Re: Stus-List 34 and 37 XL vs + vs R

[Edd Schillay]

Dwight,

There were three models of the 34 and 37 in the late 80's/early 90's. 

The 34R and the 37R were bother racing versions, with very spartan 
interiors 

The 34+ and 37+ were cruiser/racers with walk-around queen beds in the 
aft cabins and more robust interiors. 

The 34XL and the 37XL were cruisers with similar layouts as the Plus 
boats but with more amenities.

As I understood it, when Rob Ball added some fiberglass to the bows and 
sterns of each model to make them look better, the LOA went to 26 and 40 
respectively. Some marketing campaigns listed them as the 34/36 and the 37/40. 



All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
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On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:34 PM, dwight veinot  
wrote:

> What does the designation “XL” signify?   And the R in 34R or 37R, does it 
> mean “racer”
>  
> Dwight Veinot
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ken Heaton
> Sent: March 12, 2013 1:28 PM
> To: Pat Nevitt
> Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail logo
>  
> As nobody seems to know what to call a C&C 37 XL (or is it a C&C 37/40 XL?, 
> or is it a C&C 40 XL?) the sailmaker probably just decided to leave the 
> designation off.
>  
> Ken H.
>  
> 
> On 11 March 2013 23:05, Pat Nevitt  wrote:
> That is just like the one on my North main except under the logo in smaller 
> font is 29-2
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
> 
>> This is what the logo looks like on our North Main: 
>> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x2Au24TWnpo/TMzYwz12rII/Jkg/vR2C3pc8pZ4/s1198/IMG_2275.JPG
>>  
>> Ken H.
>>  
>> 
>> On 11 March 2013 20:39, Jim And Micki Reinardy  
>> wrote:
>> Jake,
>>  
>> Thanks, it's on the order but the sailmaker was not sure it would look like. 
>>  I appreciate all the feedback.
>>  
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:36 PM, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim,
>>>  
>>> One thing I’ve learned with sail makers, assume nothing.  Specify it on 
>>> your order.  I didn’t ask for it, but it was done anyway.  I sure like it 
>>> though.
>>>  
>>> Jake
>>>  
>>> Jake Brodersen
>>> C&C 35 Mk-III
>>> Midnight Mistress
>>> Hampton VA
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Firewater
>>> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 5:41 PM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Cc: 
>>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Sail logo
>>>  
>>> Jake,
>>>  
>>> My main is going to be from North as well.  I assume they have that logo on 
>>> file, but will find out.
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>>  
>>> Jim
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
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Stus-List Square drives, electrical and reverse polarity

[Dennis C.]

Following up on the square drive thread and kind of sailing related.


Just coincidentally, as part of a house wide renovation, I am changing out 
electrical switches and receptacles today.  I am using a regular 8 way 
screwdriver with small slotted blade to remove the old switches and 
receptacles.  However, the new switches and receptacles have the combination 
slotted/Phillips/square drive screws.  I find the square drive works better.  I 
am using a Klein 32477 10 in 1 screwdriver.  It has #1 and #2 square drives in 
addition to slotted, Phillips, Torx bits.  This screwdriver is my "go to" tool 
that I keep in my boat electrical box.

Once I finish the install, I will check each receptacle with a polarity tester. 
 For the sailing related note, every boat with shore power installed should 
have a polarity tester on board.  If you don't have one installed with your 
breaker panel, you can get one for under $10 at any hardware or big box home 
improvement center.  I've had marine surveyors tell me they would accept one in 
place of a hard wired tester.


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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Lee Youngblood]

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. . .



Wow - what a price!  Nice boat


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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay



There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?

The owner's description goes into some length about leaking 
chainplates and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of 
caution?


Thanks

Richard
1987 33-II




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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Joel Aronson]

Most brokers don't want to be bothered with a boat that old and inexpensive
for a 10% commission.

Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Lee Youngblood  wrote:

> Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal.
> . .
>
>
>  Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>>
>>
>> From: CnC-List 
>> [mailto:cnc-list-bounces@cnc-**list.com]
>> On Behalf Of Richard N. Bush
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>>
>>
>>
>> There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>>
>> > **Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>> >**http://cgi.ebay.com/**ebaymotors/1979-C-C-**
>> Landfall38-/251239442910?pt=**Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>>
>> The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>> Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>>
>> The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates
>> and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Richard
>> 1987 33-II
>>
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List 34 and 37 XL vs + vs R

[Ken Heaton]

Edd is correct but I'll add a further note or two.

The "further amenities" on the XL were to give the fully fitted out
"cruising" 37+ versions some of the "racing" features of the 37R version.
 Most (perhaps all) XL's have the slightly taller, three spreader masts
normally found on the "R" with running back stays and check stays.  The 37+
has a two spreader mast, not running backs. The XL's generally also
have the deeper 8' keel usually found on the "R" (though I am aware of one
XL with a wing keel, C&C liked to do what the customer wanted).  Most XL's
have the standard closed transom with the swing out door of the + version
but at least one has the open "R" version.

As far as PHRF handicap goes the XL PHRF-NS 72) falls between the +
(PHRF-NS 81 or 75) version and the R (PHRF-NS 63).

C&C didn't produce any boats in 1992? due to financial issues.  When they
restarted production in 1993 they renamed the 37's. The 1993 and 1994
versions were simply called the C&C 40+, the C&C 40 XL and the C&C40R.

You can compare the versions on the brochures on the PhotoAlbum:

The 37+, 37XL 37R series (1988 to 1991):
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/37foot/37+b1pg01.htm

The 40+, 40XK and 40R series (1993 & 1994):
http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/brochures/40foot/40b3pg01.htm

Ken H.


On 12 March 2013 13:44, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> Dwight,
>
> There were three models of the 34 and 37 in the late 80's/early 90's.
>
> The 34R and the 37R were bother racing versions, with very spartan
> interiors
>  The 34+ and 37+ were cruiser/racers with walk-around queen beds in the
> aft cabins and more robust interiors.
>
> The 34XL and the 37XL were cruisers with similar layouts as the Plus boats
> but with more amenities.
>
> As I understood it, when Rob Ball added some fiberglass to the bows and
> sterns of each model to make them look better, the LOA went to 26 and 40
> respectively. Some marketing campaigns listed them as the 34/36 and the
> 37/40.
>
>
>  All the best,
>
>  Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
>  C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:34 PM, dwight veinot 
> wrote:
>
> ** ** **
>
> What does the designation “XL” signify?   And the R in 34R or 37R, does it
> mean “racer”
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>
> ** **
>  --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken
> Heaton
> *Sent:* March 12, 2013 1:28 PM
> *To:* Pat Nevitt
> *Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail logo
>
> ** **
>
> As nobody seems to know what to call a C&C 37 XL (or is it a C&C 37/40
> XL?, or is it a C&C 40 XL?) the sailmaker probably just decided to
> leave the designation off.
>
> ** **
>
> Ken H.
>
> ** **
>
> On 11 March 2013 23:05, Pat Nevitt  wrote:
>
> That is just like the one on my North main except under the logo in
> smaller font is 29-2
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Ken Heaton  wrote:
>
>  This is what the logo looks like on our **North Main**:
> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x2Au24TWnpo/TMzYwz12rII/Jkg/vR2C3pc8pZ4/s1198/IMG_2275.JPG
> 
>
> ** **
>
> Ken H.
>
> ** **
>
> On 11 March 2013 20:39, Jim And Micki Reinardy 
> wrote:
>
> Jake,
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks, it's on the order but the sailmaker was not sure it would look
> like.  I appreciate all the feedback.
>
> ** **
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:36 PM, "Jake Brodersen" 
> wrote:
>
>  Jim,
>
>  
>
> One thing I’ve learned with sail makers, assume nothing.  Specify it on
> your order.  I didn’t ask for it, but it was done anyway.  I sure like it
> though.
>
>  
>
> Jake
>
>  
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C&C 35 Mk-III*
>
> *Midnight Mistress*
>
> *Hampton VA***
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Firewater
> *Sent:* Monday, March 11, 2013 5:41 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail logo
>
>  
>
> Jake,
>
>  
>
> My main is going to be from North as well.  I assume they have that logo
> on file, but will find out.
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
>  
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPad 
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Della Barba, Joe]

Either that boat has some nasty hidden flaw or I am very  depressed right now. 
My boat must be worth about $5.97

Joe Della Barba Coquina


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee 
Youngblood
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. . .


>Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>
>
>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>Richard N. Bush
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
>
>
>There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>
>ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
>dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>
>The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates 
>and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>1987 33-II
>


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Seattle, WA 98117
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Michael Dean]

That is just an opening bid.  Seller has a hidden reserve price which has
not yet been met.  

What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that
opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the final bid
is and what the reserve is.  If the reserve isn't met, owner can still list
it through a broker or relist with a lower reserve.

If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell price
minus commission plus a bit for me.  Still interesting to watch.

Mike
C&C 27 Mk III

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Youngblood
Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. .
.


>Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>
>
>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>Richard N. Bush
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
>
>
>There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>
>ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
>dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>
>The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates 
>and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>1987 33-II
>


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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Hoyt, Mike]

Buy it now price is I think 21K 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Michael Dean
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:48 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

That is just an opening bid.  Seller has a hidden reserve price which
has
not yet been met.  

What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that
opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the final
bid
is and what the reserve is.  If the reserve isn't met, owner can still
list
it through a broker or relist with a lower reserve.

If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell
price
minus commission plus a bit for me.  Still interesting to watch.

Mike
C&C 27 Mk III

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Youngblood
Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a
deal. .
.


>Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>
>
>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>Richard N. Bush
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
>
>
>There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>
>ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
>dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>
>The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates

>and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>1987 33-II
>


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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Greg Sutherland]

The Buy it now is $21500. Pretty great deal. 
Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dean 
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:47:39 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:   C&C 38 Landfall on ebay


That is just an opening bid.  Seller has a hidden reserve price which has
not yet been met.  

What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that
opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the final bid
is and what the reserve is.  If the reserve isn't met, owner can still list
it through a broker or relist with a lower reserve.

If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell price
minus commission plus a bit for me.  Still interesting to watch.

Mike
C&C 27 Mk III

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Youngblood
Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. .
.


>Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>
>
>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>Richard N. Bush
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
>
>
>There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>
>ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
>dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>
>The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates 
>and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>1987 33-II
>


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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[djhaug...@juno.com]

it has a buy it now price of $21,500


-- Original Message --
From: "Michael Dean" 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:   C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:47:39 -0400

That is just an opening bid.  Seller has a hidden reserve price which has
not yet been met.  

What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that
opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the final bid
is and what the reserve is.  If the reserve isn't met, owner can still list
it through a broker or relist with a lower reserve.

If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell price
minus commission plus a bit for me.  Still interesting to watch.

Mike
C&C 27 Mk III

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Youngblood
Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. .
.


>Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>
>
>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>Richard N. Bush
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
>
>
>There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>
>ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
>dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>
>The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates 
>and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>1987 33-II
>


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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Joel Aronson]

Joe,

Resale value only matters when you sell!  If you enjoy your boat, its
priceless!

Joel


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Della Barba, Joe
wrote:

> Either that boat has some nasty hidden flaw or I am very  depressed right
> now. My boat must be worth about $5.97
>
> Joe Della Barba Coquina
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
> Youngblood
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:14 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
> Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal.
> . .
>
>
> >Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
> >
> >
> >From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
> >Richard N. Bush
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
> >To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> >Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
> >
> >
> >
> >There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
> >
> > >ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
> >dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
> >The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
> >Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
> >
> >The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates
> >and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Richard
> >1987 33-II
> >
>
>
> --
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>
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>
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>
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Rich Knowles]

I must say these low prices are disappointing, to say the least.  

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-03-12, at 15:51, "Greg Sutherland "  wrote:

The Buy it now is $21500. Pretty great deal. 
Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dean 
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:47:39 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:   C&C 38 Landfall on ebay


That is just an opening bid.  Seller has a hidden reserve price which has
not yet been met.  

What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that
opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the final bid
is and what the reserve is.  If the reserve isn't met, owner can still list
it through a broker or relist with a lower reserve.

If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell price
minus commission plus a bit for me.  Still interesting to watch.

Mike
C&C 27 Mk III

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Youngblood
Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. .
.


> Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
> 
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard N. Bush
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
> 
> 
> 
> There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
> 
>  ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
> dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
> The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
> Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
> 
> The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates 
> and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Richard
> 1987 33-II


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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Dennis C.]

Joe,

I'll give you $10.97!.but only if it has a full tank of good fuel.   :)

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





>
> From: "Della Barba, Joe" 
>To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 1:39 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:   C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
> 
>Either that boat has some nasty hidden flaw or I am very  depressed right now. 
>My boat must be worth about $5.97
>
>Joe Della Barba Coquina
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee 
>Youngblood
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:14 PM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
>Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. . .
>
>
>>Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>>
>>
>>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>>Richard N. Bush
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>>
>>
>>
>>There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>>
>>>ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
>>dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>>The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>>Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>>
>>The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates 
>>and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Richard
>>1987 33-II
>>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[dwight veinot]

She looks pretty good in the photos, seems like a good buy from here but I
think this design has a cored hull and that would need to be in good
condition. Diesel power seems OK.  If I were in the market this would
interest me

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Aronson
Sent: March 12, 2013 3:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

 

Most brokers don't want to be bothered with a boat that old and inexpensive
for a 10% commission.

 

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

 

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Lee Youngblood
 wrote:

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. .
.



Wow - what a price!  Nice boat



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard
N. Bush
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay



There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;


&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Landfall38-/251
239442910?pt=Sailboats
 &hash=item3a7f09a9de


The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?

The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates and
deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?

Thanks

Richard
1987 33-II



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Re: Stus-List Roberts screwdrivers

[Jeff Nelson]

And of course LeeValleyTools.com

http://www.leevalley.com/en/Wood/page.aspx?cat=1,43411&p=43417

Fill your boots...you can get pretty much any style you like.
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On 12/03/2013 2:17 AM, Marek Dziedzic wrote:
or try buying it in Canada. Any hardware store would have it 
(including Home Depot, Lowe or Canadian Tire).

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[dwight veinot]

She looks pretty good in the photos, seems like a good buy from here but I
think this design has a cored hull and that would need to be in good
condition. Diesel power seems OK.  If I were in the market this would
interest me

 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: March 12, 2013 3:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

 

Most brokers don't want to be bothered with a boat that old and inexpensive
for a 10% commission.

 

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

 

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Lee Youngblood
 wrote:

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. .
.



Wow - what a price!  Nice boat



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard
N. Bush
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay






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[TOM VINCENT]

Accomac is located on the Eastern Shore of Virginia, it is about 20 miles south 
of Pocomoke, MD which is south of Salisbury, MD which is about 8 miles south of 
Del Mar, DE. I hope this helps.

Tom 
Frolic II 36' C&C cb
Chesapeake City, MD
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Re: Stus-List 34 and 37 XL vs + vs R

[Josh Muckley]

The R had a much taller mast and deeper keel with the spartan interior and
open transom.  The XL actually had almost the exact same interior as the +,
but with a taller mast and deeper keel that was about half way between the
+ and the R.

Josh

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On Mar 12, 2013 12:44 PM, "Edd Schillay"  wrote:

Dwight,

There were three models of the 34 and 37 in the late 80's/early 90's.

The 34R and the 37R were bother racing versions, with very spartan
interiors
 The 34+ and 37+ were cruiser/racers with walk-around queen beds in the aft
cabins and more robust interiors.

The 34XL and the 37XL were cruisers with similar layouts as the Plus boats
but with more amenities.

As I understood it, when Rob Ball added some fiberglass to the bows and
sterns of each model to make them look better, the LOA went to 26 and 40
respectively. Some marketing campaigns listed them as the 34/36 and the
37/40.


 All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website 







On Mar 12, 2013, at 12:34 PM, dwight veinot 
wrote:

** ** **

What does the designation “XL” signify?   And the R in 34R or 37R, does it
mean “racer”

** **

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

** **
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Heaton
*Sent:* March 12, 2013 1:28 PM
*To:* Pat Nevitt
*Cc:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail logo

** **

As nobody seems to know what to call a C&C 37 XL (or is it a C&C 37/40 XL?,
or is it a C&C 40 XL?) the sailmaker probably just decided to
leave the designation off.

** **

Ken H.

** **

On 11 March 2013 23:05, Pat Nevitt  wrote:

That is just like the one on my North main except under the logo in smaller
font is 29-2

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 11, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Ken Heaton  wrote:

 This is what the logo looks like on our **North Main**:
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-x2Au24TWnpo/TMzYwz12rII/Jkg/vR2C3pc8pZ4/s1198/IMG_2275.JPG


** **

Ken H.

** **

On 11 March 2013 20:39, Jim And Micki Reinardy 
wrote:

Jake,

** **

Thanks, it's on the order but the sailmaker was not sure it would look
like.  I appreciate all the feedback.

** **

Jim

Sent from my iPad


On Mar 11, 2013, at 6:36 PM, "Jake Brodersen"  wrote:*
***

 Jim,

 

One thing I’ve learned with sail makers, assume nothing.  Specify it on
your order.  I didn’t ask for it, but it was done anyway.  I sure like it
though.

 

Jake

 

*Jake Brodersen*

*C&C 35 Mk-III*

*Midnight Mistress*

*Hampton VA***

 

 

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*On Behalf Of *Firewater
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*Cc:* 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Sail logo

 

Jake,

 

My main is going to be from North as well.  I assume they have that logo on
file, but will find out.

 

Thanks,

 

Jim

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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[jtsails]

The LF 38 is a very unusual design, great, well proven, fast, IOR style hull 
with a cruiser's interior. The result seemed to me to be extremely tight 
quarters down below. some people love it, more hated it. I looked at 4 or 5 
of them when I was in the market and despite my best efforts, I fell into 
the hated it category. I like the interior layout of the original 38 much 
better, but it's not ideal either. The buy-it-now price is about $10K less 
than the boats I looked at, but none of those have sold so

James
Delaney
C&C 38 MKII
Oriental, NC

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Knowles" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay



I must say these low prices are disappointing, to say the least.

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-03-12, at 15:51, "Greg Sutherland "  
wrote:


The Buy it now is $21500. Pretty great deal.
Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Michael Dean 
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:47:39
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:   C&C 38 Landfall on ebay


That is just an opening bid.  Seller has a hidden reserve price which has
not yet been met.

What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that
opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the final 
bid
is and what the reserve is.  If the reserve isn't met, owner can still 
list

it through a broker or relist with a lower reserve.

If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell 
price

minus commission plus a bit for me.  Still interesting to watch.

Mike
C&C 27 Mk III

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
Youngblood
Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. 
.

.



Wow - what a price!  Nice boat


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
Richard N. Bush
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay



There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?

The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates
and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?

Thanks

Richard
1987 33-II



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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Joe Della Barba]

I re-read the specs. The boat recently has at least $10K of electronics and
at LEAST 10 more in sails and interior and they want 20?
I am tempted so bad. 

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:02 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

The LF 38 is a very unusual design, great, well proven, fast, IOR style hull
with a cruiser's interior. The result seemed to me to be extremely tight
quarters down below. some people love it, more hated it. I looked at 4 or 5
of them when I was in the market and despite my best efforts, I fell into
the hated it category. I like the interior layout of the original 38 much
better, but it's not ideal either. The buy-it-now price is about $10K less
than the boats I looked at, but none of those have sold so
James
Delaney
C&C 38 MKII
Oriental, NC

- Original Message -
From: "Rich Knowles" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay


>I must say these low prices are disappointing, to say the least.
>
> Rich Knowles
> Indigo. LF38
> Halifax
>
> On 2013-03-12, at 15:51, "Greg Sutherland "  
> wrote:
>
> The Buy it now is $21500. Pretty great deal.
> Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Michael Dean 
> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:47:39
> To: 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:   C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
>
> That is just an opening bid.  Seller has a hidden reserve price which has
> not yet been met.
>
> What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that
> opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the final 
> bid
> is and what the reserve is.  If the reserve isn't met, owner can still 
> list
> it through a broker or relist with a lower reserve.
>
> If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell 
> price
> minus commission plus a bit for me.  Still interesting to watch.
>
> Mike
> C&C 27 Mk III
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
> Youngblood
> Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
> Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. 
> .
> .
>
>
>> Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>>
>>
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
>> Richard N. Bush
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>>
>>
>>
>> There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>>
>> > ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
>> dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>> The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>> Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>>
>> The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates
>> and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Richard
>> 1987 33-II
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Chris Price]

Joe, I paid much less than the starting bid for Pradel 13 years ago. I just 
plan on holding on to her 'til after I'm gone and she's the kid's problem! 

Chris Price 
Pradel 
C & C 35 MkI 
p.s. spent the night on the boat last night to wire some new LED interior 
lights . It was like a tropical storm last night. Fired up the old A 4 too. 
What a great engine! 

- Original Message -
From: "Della Barba, Joe"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:39:09 PM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay 

Either that boat has some nasty hidden flaw or I am very depressed right now. 
My boat must be worth about $5.97 

Joe Della Barba Coquina 


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee 
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Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:14 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay 

Why didn't he list it with a broker? Looks like someone will get a deal. . . 


>Wow - what a price! Nice boat 
> 
> 
>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>Richard N. Bush 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay 
> 
> 
> 
>There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay; 
> 
>ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan 
>dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de 
>The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it? 
>Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model? 
> 
>The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates 
>and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution? 
> 
>Thanks 
> 
>Richard 
>1987 33-II 
> 


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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump

[Chuck S]

Dennis, 
That's a nice bilge pump switch. 
Our boat's bilge is flat and has no sump, so we pump it down as far as possible 
before each sail. Otherwise we get water running up over the floorboard edges 
when she heels. Sometimes I forget during the rush to get everything set before 
leaving the dock and your switch near the helm would be very convenient. 

Thanks for the great ideas, 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Dennis C."  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:41:33 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump 


Dan, 

When I install/wire bilge pumps with float switch, I use a Rule #43 or Blue Sea 
8263 rocker switch with built in fuse. I wire the power to the switch to the 
back of the main battery switch (Perko) to the post for either the #1 or #2 
battery. Functionally, it's wired to the battery but isn't in the battery box. 

The only wiring in the battery boxes should be the + and - battery cables. 

Dennis C. 
Touche' 35-1 #83 
Mandeville, LA 










From: "McElwreath, Daniel"  
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:12 AM 
Subject: Stus-List lovet bilge pump 




Any guidance on following? Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge pump. 
But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only if the pump 
switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON, But this means, the power to that 
switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am reluctant to leave 
that switch on when we are not on board because that means power would be on, 
also. Our previous boat had a small bilge pump wired directly to the battery, 
so when water hit a certain level, pump would go on. Any thoughts? thanks Dan 
Mc 
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Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump - now float switches

[Dennis C.]

Also, I am switching over to Ultra Safety Systems bilge float switch when 
clients are willing to pop for a few extra $$$.  I think they are better 
switches than the Rule float switches.  More less subject to trash, etc.

http://www.tefgel.com/contain.php?param=pumpswitch_price

Haven't put one in Touche' yet but when the Rule dies, Touche' will get a USS 
float switch.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA




>
> From: Chuck S 
>To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:59 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump
> 
>
>Dennis,
>That's a nice bilge pump switch.  
>Our boat's bilge is flat and has no sump, so we pump it down as far as 
>possible before each sail.  Otherwise we get water running up over the 
>floorboard edges when she heels.  Sometimes I forget during the rush to get 
>everything set before leaving the dock and your switch near the helm would be 
>very convenient.
>
>Thanks for the great ideas,
>
>
>Chuck
>Resolute
>1990 C&C 34R
>Atlantic City, NJ
>
>
>From: "Dennis C." 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:41:33 AM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List lovet bilge pump
>
>
>Dan,
>
>When I install/wire bilge pumps with float switch, I use a Rule #43 or Blue 
>Sea 8263 rocker switch with built in fuse.  I wire the power to the switch to 
>the back of the main battery switch (Perko) to the post for either the #1 or 
>#2 battery.  Functionally, it's wired to the battery but isn't in the battery 
>box.
>
>The only wiring in the battery boxes should be the + and - battery cables.
>
>Dennis C.
>Touche' 35-1 #83
>Mandeville, LA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> From: "McElwreath, Daniel" 
>>To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"  
>>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:12 AM
>>Subject: Stus-List lovet bilge pump
>> 
>>
>> 
>>Any guidance on following?  Our (new for us) 1980 cc32 has a lovet bilge 
>>pump. But I believe it is wired so that it goes on automatically only  if the 
>>pump switch on the bulkhead is switched to ON,  But this means, the power to 
>>that switch has to be on, even when we are not on the boat. I am reluctant to 
>>leave that switch on when we are not on board because that means power would 
>>be on, also.  Our previous boat had a small bilge pump wired directly to the 
>>battery, so when water hit a certain level, pump would go on. Any thoughts? 
>>thanks Dan Mc
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Dave Godwin]

Joe,

That boat's just down the road from you. You should go take a look. Although we 
all know that small on-line photos which can make a rotten old log-canoe look 
like like a new AC Cup boat, it is an intriguing sell. And we know too that 
older electronics have no currency but still, there's a fair amount of 
get-on-and-sail-away stuff associated with it. If I didn't have something that 
size already and weren't diametrically across the Bay from it I'd give it a 
look.

Dave
1982 C&C 37 - "Ronin"

On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote:

> I re-read the specs. The boat recently has at least $10K of electronics and
> at LEAST 10 more in sails and interior and they want 20?
> I am tempted so bad. 
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of jtsails
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:02 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
> 
> The LF 38 is a very unusual design, great, well proven, fast, IOR style hull
> with a cruiser's interior. The result seemed to me to be extremely tight
> quarters down below. some people love it, more hated it. I looked at 4 or 5
> of them when I was in the market and despite my best efforts, I fell into
> the hated it category. I like the interior layout of the original 38 much
> better, but it's not ideal either. The buy-it-now price is about $10K less
> than the boats I looked at, but none of those have sold so
> James
> Delaney
> C&C 38 MKII
> Oriental, NC
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Knowles" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
> 
> 
>> I must say these low prices are disappointing, to say the least.
>> 
>> Rich Knowles
>> Indigo. LF38
>> Halifax
>> 
>> On 2013-03-12, at 15:51, "Greg Sutherland "  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The Buy it now is $21500. Pretty great deal.
>> Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Dean 
>> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:47:39
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:   C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>> 
>> 
>> That is just an opening bid.  Seller has a hidden reserve price which has
>> not yet been met.
>> 
>> What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that
>> opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the final 
>> bid
>> is and what the reserve is.  If the reserve isn't met, owner can still 
>> list
>> it through a broker or relist with a lower reserve.
>> 
>> If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell 
>> price
>> minus commission plus a bit for me.  Still interesting to watch.
>> 
>> Mike
>> C&C 27 Mk III
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee
>> Youngblood
>> Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>> 
>> Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. 
>> .
>> .
>> 
>> 
>>> Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Richard N. Bush
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>>> 
>>> >> ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
>>> dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>>> The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>>> Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>>> 
>>> The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates
>>> and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 1987 33-II
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> Office @ Dockside Solutions
>> 7001 Seaview Avenue #160
>> Seattle, WA 98117
>> New Office Phone (206) 707-1778
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Joe Della Barba]

There’s that – I’d have 2 boats sooner than I had planned. Good thing I have 2 
spots – have to rotate them :)

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Chris Price
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 7:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

 

Joe, I paid much less than the starting bid for Pradel 13 years ago. I just 
plan on holding on to her 'til after I'm gone and she's the kid's problem!

Chris Price
Pradel 
C & C 35 MkI
p.s. spent the night on the boat last night to wire some new LED interior 
lights. It was like a tropical storm last night. Fired up the old A 4 too. What 
a great engine!

  _  

From: "Della Barba, Joe" mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> >
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:39:09 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:   C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Either that boat has some nasty hidden flaw or I am very  depressed right now. 
My boat must be worth about $5.97

Joe Della Barba Coquina


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Lee 
Youngblood
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal. . .


>Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>
>
>From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>Richard N. Bush
>Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
>Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>
>
>
>There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>
> 
>ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-Lan
>dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>
>The owner's description goes into some length about leaking chainplates 
>and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of caution?
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>1987 33-II
>


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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Joe Della Barba]

We just might. My wife LOVES the LF38 layout.
Last one we looked at for $49K, described as a great boat, had:
Leaking fuel tank
Reeked of diesel
Reeked of mold
Hatches leaked
The cabin sides had swollen and split aft of the ports.
It was barely worth scrap value IMHO.

I am still trying to get putting new sails, paint, interior, radar, etc. on
a boat and then selling her for the cost of what you just added.


Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Godwin
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 8:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

Joe,

That boat's just down the road from you. You should go take a look. Although
we all know that small on-line photos which can make a rotten old log-canoe
look like like a new AC Cup boat, it is an intriguing sell. And we know too
that older electronics have no currency but still, there's a fair amount of
get-on-and-sail-away stuff associated with it. If I didn't have something
that size already and weren't diametrically across the Bay from it I'd give
it a look.

Dave
1982 C&C 37 - "Ronin"

On Mar 12, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Joe Della Barba wrote:

> I re-read the specs. The boat recently has at least $10K of 
> electronics and at LEAST 10 more in sails and interior and they want 20?
> I am tempted so bad. 
> 
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
> jtsails
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:02 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
> 
> The LF 38 is a very unusual design, great, well proven, fast, IOR 
> style hull with a cruiser's interior. The result seemed to me to be 
> extremely tight quarters down below. some people love it, more hated 
> it. I looked at 4 or 5 of them when I was in the market and despite my 
> best efforts, I fell into the hated it category. I like the interior 
> layout of the original 38 much better, but it's not ideal either. The 
> buy-it-now price is about $10K less than the boats I looked at, but none
of those have sold so
> James
> Delaney
> C&C 38 MKII
> Oriental, NC
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Rich Knowles" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 3:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
> 
> 
>> I must say these low prices are disappointing, to say the least.
>> 
>> Rich Knowles
>> Indigo. LF38
>> Halifax
>> 
>> On 2013-03-12, at 15:51, "Greg Sutherland " 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The Buy it now is $21500. Pretty great deal.
>> Sent wirelessly from my BlackBerry
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Michael Dean 
>> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:47:39
>> To: 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd:   C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>> 
>> 
>> That is just an opening bid.  Seller has a hidden reserve price which 
>> has not yet been met.
>> 
>> What it sells for, if it does sell on e-bay, will be higher than that 
>> opening bid. Could be a great bargain or not depending on what the 
>> final bid is and what the reserve is.  If the reserve isn't met, 
>> owner can still list it through a broker or relist with a lower 
>> reserve.
>> 
>> If it were me, the reserve would be about the expected brokerage sell 
>> price minus commission plus a bit for me.  Still interesting to 
>> watch.
>> 
>> Mike
>> C&C 27 Mk III
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>> Lee Youngblood
>> Sent: March-12-13 2:14 PM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>> 
>> Why didn't he list it with a broker?  Looks like someone will get a deal.

>> .
>> .
>> 
>> 
>>> Wow - what a price!  Nice boat
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of 
>>> Richard N. Bush
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 10:20 AM
>>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> Subject: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> There's a 1979 Landfall 38 on ebay;
>>> 
>>> >> =Sa 
>>> ilboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1979-C-C-
>>> Lan dfall38-/251239442910?pt=Sailboats&hash=item3a7f09a9de
>>> The info says its in Accomac, Virginia; anyone know anything about it?
>>> Any known or common "issues" with the 1979 model?
>>> 
>>> The owner's description goes into some length about leaking 
>>> chainplates and deck core repairs; I would view this as a sign of
caution?
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 1987 33-II
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Lee Youngblood  (425) 444-9109
>> 
>> Your Shilshole Sailboat Broker
>> 
>> Gig Harbor Yacht Sales | Seattle
>> Office @ Dockside Solutions
>> 7001 Seaview Avenue #160
>> Seattle, WA 98117
>> New Office Phone (206) 707-1778
>> 
>> GHYS website:  http://www.1gigharbor.com/
>> 
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[Rich Knowles]

Has anyone tried any new chemistry for removing bottom paint? 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax


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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Martin DeYoung]

>> I am still trying to get putting new sails, paint, interior, radar, etc. on
a boat and then selling her for the cost of what you just added. <<

I expect many tired boat owners reach a point where the monthly care, feeding, 
and moorage costs drive them to sell at almost any price.

A few may have completed all the planned voyages and adventures.  Some have to 
sell for a divorce or other major life/health change.

If the wife has interest in looking at a boat for sale I say what could hurt?  
I know if my wife caught me seriously looking at another boat while still 
owning a share of Calypso I would join one of the groups listed above.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della 
Barba
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 5:51 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

We just might. My wife LOVES the LF38 layout.
Last one we looked at for $49K, described as a great boat, had:
Leaking fuel tank
Reeked of diesel
Reeked of mold
Hatches leaked
The cabin sides had swollen and split aft of the ports.
It was barely worth scrap value IMHO.

I am still trying to get putting new sails, paint, interior, radar, etc. on
a boat and then selling her for the cost of what you just added.

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Stus-List C&C 38 Landfall on ebay

[Robert Abbott]

And then there are those that buy a bigger boat before they sell their 
smaller boatthat was the situation we ran into when looking for a 
boat.the PO bought a new Dufour 38' and just wanted his old C&C 
'disposed of'.   We were happy to oblige him.


Bob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.






On 2013/03/12 10:11 PM, Martin DeYoung wrote:

I am still trying to get putting new sails, paint, interior, radar, etc. on

a boat and then selling her for the cost of what you just added. <<

I expect many tired boat owners reach a point where the monthly care, feeding, 
and moorage costs drive them to sell at almost any price.

A few may have completed all the planned voyages and adventures.  Some have to 
sell for a divorce or other major life/health change.

If the wife has interest in looking at a boat for sale I say what could hurt?  
I know if my wife caught me seriously looking at another boat while still 
owning a share of Calypso I would join one of the groups listed above.

Martin
Calypso
1970 C&C 43
Seattle





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