Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Jay Weekley]

How did you fix the problem?

Chuck McCown wrote:

Yes, several.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:



I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is 
that more than one snake in there?



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[AFMUG] Powering an Aviat 4100

[Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF]

Hi Guys

If I have a negative ground 24 solar site filled with radio equipment, is the 
best way to power the Aviat by dc cable through an isolated DCDC converter?
Any other Gotcha’s?

I would like to just plug into the netonix switch with everything else but I 
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering an Aviat 4100

[Josh Baird]

Yeah - you will need -/+48VDC for the Aviat radio.  They are floating, so
they don't care about -/+.  I would stick a Meanwell RSD in line to convert
your -24VDC to 48VDC and be done with it.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:15 AM Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF <
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> Hi Guys
>
> If I have a negative ground 24 solar site filled with radio equipment, is
> the best way to power the Aviat by dc cable through an isolated DCDC
> converter?
> Any other Gotcha’s?
>
> I would like to just plug into the netonix switch with everything else but
> I think the pins are different.
>
> Thanks for any help
>
> Rhys
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering an Aviat 4100

[Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF]

Thanks Josh

I do have an RSD handy but it doesn't say isolated and some others do.
Is a Dcdc converter isolated by nature?

 The specs say they will take 24v also in the dc port, would I still need the 
dcdc?
The sales guy told me they are positive ground.

Thanks again

Rhys



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On 25 Jun 2020, at 11:20 pm, Josh Baird  wrote:

?
Yeah - you will need -/+48VDC for the Aviat radio.  They are floating, so they 
don't care about -/+.  I would stick a Meanwell RSD in line to convert your 
-24VDC to 48VDC and be done with it.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:15 AM Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:
Hi Guys

If I have a negative ground 24 solar site filled with radio equipment, is the 
best way to power the Aviat by dc cable through an isolated DCDC converter?
Any other Gotcha's?

I would like to just plug into the netonix switch with everything else but I 
think the pins are different.

Thanks for any help

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Chuck McCown]

We haven’t yet.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley  wrote:
> 
> How did you fix the problem?
> 
> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> Yes, several.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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 On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is that 
>>> more than one snake in there?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
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Re: [AFMUG] Powering an Aviat 4100

[Josh Baird]

The RSD is isolated.  Not sure if all DCDC converters are, but I know the
RSD is.

You are right - the WTM4100 is different after looking at the spec sheet:

Input voltage: -20 to -57V (WTM4100/ 4200 13-42 GHz)
Input voltage: -40 to -57V (WTM4200 5-11 GHz)

I only have experience with the WTM4200 (11Ghz) and WTM4800 which are -/+
48VDC.  You may want to check with Ken Ruppel on the positive ground.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:26 AM Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) <
r...@team.speedweb.com.au> wrote:

> Thanks Josh
>
> I do have an RSD handy but it doesn’t say isolated and some others do.
> Is a Dcdc converter isolated by nature?
>
>  The specs say they will take 24v also in the dc port, would I still need
> the dcdc?
> The sales guy told me they are positive ground.
>
> Thanks again
>
> Rhys
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 25 Jun 2020, at 11:20 pm, Josh Baird  wrote:
>
> 
> Yeah - you will need -/+48VDC for the Aviat radio.  They are floating, so
> they don't care about -/+.  I would stick a Meanwell RSD in line to convert
> your -24VDC to 48VDC and be done with it.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:15 AM Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via AF <
> af@af.afmug.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> If I have a negative ground 24 solar site filled with radio equipment, is
>> the best way to power the Aviat by dc cable through an isolated DCDC
>> converter?
>> Any other Gotcha’s?
>>
>> I would like to just plug into the netonix switch with everything else
>> but I think the pins are different.
>>
>> Thanks for any help
>>
>> Rhys
>>
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>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Bill Prince]

  
  
We have a pair of tongs from Midwest
Tongs.

bp



On 6/25/2020 5:29 AM, Jay Weekley
  wrote:

How
  did you fix the problem?
  
  
  Chuck McCown wrote:
  
  Yes, several.


Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince
   wrote:
  
  
  
  
  
  I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too
  long. Is that more than one snake in there?
  
  
  
  bp
  
  
  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[dave]

Use a Stick :)
Be sure to have a BOM.
Lawn chair, Pack of cold beer, sun glasses and a bucket


On 6/24/20 8:40 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Nope.  In a UDOT HH so not gonna break the law on their turf.  Just 
like to get them out.


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On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Jaime Solorza 
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Hope you didn't kill it...good size..

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Adam Moffett]

That's a big bundle of nope-rope.


On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

We haven’t yet.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley  wrote:

How did you fix the problem?

Chuck McCown wrote:

Yes, several.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:



I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is that more 
than one snake in there?


bp


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Re: [AFMUG] Powering an Aviat 4100

[Adam Moffett]

+1

Meanwell RSD will work.  You can verify with your multimeter that it has 
no connection between DC and ground, but I guarantee it doesn't.



On 6/25/2020 9:35 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
The RSD is isolated.  Not sure if all DCDC converters are, but I know 
the RSD is.


You are right - the WTM4100 is different after looking at the spec sheet:

Input voltage: -20 to -57V (WTM4100/ 4200 13-42 GHz)
Input voltage: -40 to -57V (WTM4200 5-11 GHz)

I only have experience with the WTM4200 (11Ghz) and WTM4800 which are 
-/+ 48VDC.  You may want to check with Ken Ruppel on the positive ground.


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:26 AM Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) 
mailto:r...@team.speedweb.com.au>> wrote:


Thanks Josh

I do have an RSD handy but it doesn’t say isolated and some others do.
Is a Dcdc converter isolated by nature?

 The specs say they will take 24v also in the dc port, would I
still need the dcdc?
The sales guy told me they are positive ground.

Thanks again

Rhys



Sent from my iPhone


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Yeah - you will need -/+48VDC for the Aviat radio.  They are
floating, so they don't care about -/+.  I would stick a Meanwell
RSD in line to convert your -24VDC to 48VDC and be done with it.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 9:15 AM Rhys Cuff (Speedweb Internet) via
AF mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> wrote:

Hi Guys

If I have a negative ground 24 solar site filled with radio
equipment, is the best way to power the Aviat by dc cable
through an isolated DCDC converter?
Any other Gotcha’s?

I would like to just plug into the netonix switch with
everything else but I think the pins are different.

Thanks for any help

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Jaime Solorza]

Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put in
large plastic bintake out to the desert.
Rodent control

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> That's a big bundle of nope-rope.
>
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> On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
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> >
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> >> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
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> >> How did you fix the problem?
> >>
> >> Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>> Yes, several.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
>  
> 
>  I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is
> that more than one snake in there?
> 
> 
>  bp
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[AFMUG] EPMP 4.4.3 and physically close SMs

[Nate Burke]

Because of Internal politics, I have a customer that needed 2 separate 
radio feeds.  So I have 2 EPMP force 200 radios on the same pole, about 
1' apart.


After upgrading to 4.4.3 these 2 radios give really strange signal 
readings.  They appear to be working normally, with no complaints from 
the customer.  They should be around -70db, but watching the webpage 
(Also SNMP reports the same) they will bounce between -70db and -20db 
every couple seconds.  The EAlign page does not reflect this, it just 
stays steady at -70.


Of all the hundreds of EPMP Sm's that I've upgraded to 4.4.3, these 2 
are the only ones that have this problem.  Is there some sort of self 
interference going on because the SM's are so close?  They are both 
attached to the same AP, no other radio on the AP has this issue.  I 
don't think I have another location where 2 SM radios are this close 
physically.  The signal was reporting normally until upgrading to 4.4.3


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[chuck]

We live in the desert.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put in 
large plastic bintake out to the desert. 
Rodent control

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  That's a big bundle of nope-rope.


  On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
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  >> How did you fix the problem?
  >>
  >> Chuck McCown wrote:
  >>> Yes, several.
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  >>> Sent from my iPhone
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  > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
   
  
   I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is that 
more than one snake in there?
  
  
   bp
   
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Jaime Solorza]

Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them...

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM  wrote:

> We live in the desert.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put in
> large plastic bintake out to the desert.
> Rodent control
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
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>> That's a big bundle of nope-rope.
>>
>>
>> On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>> > We haven’t yet.
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
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>> >> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley 
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How did you fix the problem?
>> >>
>> >> Chuck McCown wrote:
>> >>> Yes, several.
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince 
>> wrote:
>>  
>> 
>>  I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is
>> that more than one snake in there?
>> 
>> 
>>  bp
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Steven Kenney]

If kids are around where I find em, I kill em. But most around here are 
harmless so the ones I find I usually just take out to a ditch or field and 
dump them. Snakes are awesome. 



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From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:14:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise 

Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them... 

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] > 
wrote: 



We live in the desert. 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise 
Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put in 
large plastic bintake out to the desert. 
Rodent control 
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>>> Sent from my iPhone 
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> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 
 
 
 I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is that 
 more than one snake in there? 
 
 
 bp 
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 4.4.3 and physically close SMs

[Josh Luthman]

I think mine started with 4.4.3.  Could be wrong.

I get -65 normally but SNMP will show -89 here and there.  eAlign shows -65
give or take a db.

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> Because of Internal politics, I have a customer that needed 2 separate
> radio feeds.  So I have 2 EPMP force 200 radios on the same pole, about
> 1' apart.
>
> After upgrading to 4.4.3 these 2 radios give really strange signal
> readings.  They appear to be working normally, with no complaints from
> the customer.  They should be around -70db, but watching the webpage
> (Also SNMP reports the same) they will bounce between -70db and -20db
> every couple seconds.  The EAlign page does not reflect this, it just
> stays steady at -70.
>
> Of all the hundreds of EPMP Sm's that I've upgraded to 4.4.3, these 2
> are the only ones that have this problem.  Is there some sort of self
> interference going on because the SM's are so close?  They are both
> attached to the same AP, no other radio on the AP has this issue.  I
> don't think I have another location where 2 SM radios are this close
> physically.  The signal was reporting normally until upgrading to 4.4.3
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 4.4.3 and physically close SMs

[Nate Burke]

On close SM's or just an SM in general?

On 6/25/2020 10:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I think mine started with 4.4.3.  Could be wrong.

I get -65 normally but SNMP will show -89 here and there. eAlign shows 
-65 give or take a db.


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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:07 AM Nate Burke > wrote:


Because of Internal politics, I have a customer that needed 2
separate
radio feeds.  So I have 2 EPMP force 200 radios on the same pole,
about
1' apart.

After upgrading to 4.4.3 these 2 radios give really strange signal
readings.  They appear to be working normally, with no complaints
from
the customer.  They should be around -70db, but watching the webpage
(Also SNMP reports the same) they will bounce between -70db and -20db
every couple seconds.  The EAlign page does not reflect this, it just
stays steady at -70.

Of all the hundreds of EPMP Sm's that I've upgraded to 4.4.3, these 2
are the only ones that have this problem.  Is there some sort of self
interference going on because the SM's are so close?  They are both
attached to the same AP, no other radio on the AP has this issue.  I
don't think I have another location where 2 SM radios are this close
physically.  The signal was reporting normally until upgrading to
4.4.3

Anyone else seen this?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[chuck]

Generally I just walk around them unless they are coiled.  They usually move.  
The bad thing is when you are down on your hands and knees and there is a 
coiled one nearby.  
Got nailed on the elbow once doing that.

They strike if they are stretched out.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

My wife and I are avid hikers...we use our walking sticks to move them if we 
can't go around them.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:27 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

  If kids are around where I find em, I kill em.  But most around here are 
harmless so the ones I find I usually just take out to a ditch or field and 
dump them.  Snakes are awesome.  




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  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:14:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise


  Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them...

  On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM  wrote:

We live in the desert.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put in 
large plastic bintake out to the desert. 
Rodent control

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  That's a big bundle of nope-rope.


  On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
  > We haven’t yet.
  >
  > Sent from my iPhone
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  >> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:
  >>
  >> How did you fix the problem?
  >>
  >> Chuck McCown wrote:
  >>> Yes, several.
  >>>
  >>> Sent from my iPhone
  >>>
  > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
   
  
   I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is 
that more than one snake in there?
  
  
   bp
   
  
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[AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Steve Jones]

Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The
syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as
bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over
power)

so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i just
turn off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i misunderstanding
this and the 450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet port?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Steven Kenney]

When I lived down in Florida our office was right next to some really really 
thick jungle foliage and a river. I was making my way to the river to check it 
out and I looked down and saw this pale tan snake between my legs slithering 
away that was at least 10feet long and 8 inches around. I almost stepped on it. 
Couldn't see the head as it was already moving away through the brush. Pretty 
sure it was a constricting type but yeah you are right. Most just want to get 
away and won't bother you or let you know to get lost.. 

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From: "chuck"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:40:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise 

Generally I just walk around them unless they are coiled. They usually move. 
The bad thing is when you are down on your hands and knees and there is a 
coiled one nearby. 
Got nailed on the elbow once doing that. 
They strike if they are stretched out. 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:34 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise 
My wife and I are avid hikers...we use our walking sticks to move them if we 
can't go around them. 
On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:27 AM Steven Kenney  wrote: 



If kids are around where I find em, I kill em. But most around here are 
harmless so the ones I find I usually just take out to a ditch or field and 
dump them. Snakes are awesome. 

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From: "Jaime Solorza" < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
To: "af" < af@af.afmug.com > 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:14:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise 
Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them... 
On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM < ch...@wbmfg.com > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

We live in the desert. 
From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise 
Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put in 
large plastic bintake out to the desert. 
Rodent control 
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On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: 
> We haven’t yet. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley < par...@cyberbroadband.net > 
>> wrote: 
>> 
>> How did you fix the problem? 
>> 
>> Chuck McCown wrote: 
>>> Yes, several. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
> On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince < part15...@gmail.com > wrote: 
 
 
 I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is that 
 more than one snake in there? 
 
 
 bp 
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP 4.4.3 and physically close SMs

[Josh Luthman]

General.  These are the hottest customers we have and the top couple didn't
have anything weird in the graphs.

[image: image.png]

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On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:32 AM Nate Burke  wrote:

> On close SM's or just an SM in general?
>
> On 6/25/2020 10:29 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> I think mine started with 4.4.3.  Could be wrong.
>
> I get -65 normally but SNMP will show -89 here and there.  eAlign shows
> -65 give or take a db.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:07 AM Nate Burke  wrote:
>
>> Because of Internal politics, I have a customer that needed 2 separate
>> radio feeds.  So I have 2 EPMP force 200 radios on the same pole, about
>> 1' apart.
>>
>> After upgrading to 4.4.3 these 2 radios give really strange signal
>> readings.  They appear to be working normally, with no complaints from
>> the customer.  They should be around -70db, but watching the webpage
>> (Also SNMP reports the same) they will bounce between -70db and -20db
>> every couple seconds.  The EAlign page does not reflect this, it just
>> stays steady at -70.
>>
>> Of all the hundreds of EPMP Sm's that I've upgraded to 4.4.3, these 2
>> are the only ones that have this problem.  Is there some sort of self
>> interference going on because the SM's are so close?  They are both
>> attached to the same AP, no other radio on the AP has this issue.  I
>> don't think I have another location where 2 SM radios are this close
>> physically.  The signal was reporting normally until upgrading to 4.4.3
>>
>> Anyone else seen this?
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Re: [AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Eric Muehleisen]

The RackInjector board naming scheme is confusing. He really needs a table
matrix that breaks down what boards support what equipment and what jumpers
and power requirements to use. I think this is why he was asking for help
on his documentation.

Power Injection for Cambium Sync = 450M & 450i.
Power Injection + Canopy Sync = ePMP, 450 & 320

To power a 3ghz 450M you'll need a PDU card and a Power Injection for
Cambium Sync to provide sync pulse. No PoE on the 3.65ghz 450M. You leave
power enabled on the card/ports or sync will not work.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The
> syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as
> bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over
> power)
>
> so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i just
> turn off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i misunderstanding
> this and the 450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet port?
>
> forrest?
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Steve Jones]

wont sending POE power to the radio damage the port?, syncinjectors are
passive poe

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:21 PM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> The RackInjector board naming scheme is confusing. He really needs a table
> matrix that breaks down what boards support what equipment and what jumpers
> and power requirements to use. I think this is why he was asking for help
> on his documentation.
>
> Power Injection for Cambium Sync = 450M & 450i.
> Power Injection + Canopy Sync = ePMP, 450 & 320
>
> To power a 3ghz 450M you'll need a PDU card and a Power Injection for
> Cambium Sync to provide sync pulse. No PoE on the 3.65ghz 450M. You leave
> power enabled on the card/ports or sync will not work.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The
>> syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as
>> bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over
>> power)
>>
>> so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i just
>> turn off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i misunderstanding
>> this and the 450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet port?
>>
>> forrest?
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[chuck]

I should have said they can’t strike if stretched out.  

From: Steven Kenney 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:47 AM
To: af 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

When I lived down in Florida our office was right next to some really really 
thick jungle foliage and a river.  I was making my way to the river to check it 
out and I looked down and saw this pale tan snake between my legs slithering 
away that was at least 10feet long and 8 inches around.  I almost stepped on 
it.  Couldn't see the head as it was already moving away through the brush.  
Pretty sure it was a constricting type but yeah you are right.  Most just want 
to get away and won't bother you or let you know to get lost.. 

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From: "chuck" 
To: "af" 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:40:30 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise


Generally I just walk around them unless they are coiled.  They usually move.  
The bad thing is when you are down on your hands and knees and there is a 
coiled one nearby.  
Got nailed on the elbow once doing that.

They strike if they are stretched out.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:34 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

My wife and I are avid hikers...we use our walking sticks to move them if we 
can't go around them.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:27 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

  If kids are around where I find em, I kill em.  But most around here are 
harmless so the ones I find I usually just take out to a ditch or field and 
dump them.  Snakes are awesome.  




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  To: "af" 
  Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:14:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise


  Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them...

  On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM  wrote:

We live in the desert.

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put in 
large plastic bintake out to the desert. 
Rodent control

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

  That's a big bundle of nope-rope.


  On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
  > We haven’t yet.
  >
  > Sent from my iPhone
  >
  >> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley  
wrote:
  >>
  >> How did you fix the problem?
  >>
  >> Chuck McCown wrote:
  >>> Yes, several.
  >>>
  >>> Sent from my iPhone
  >>>
  > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince  
wrote:
   
  
   I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long. Is 
that more than one snake in there?
  
  
   bp
   
  
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Re: [AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Josh Baird]

Just try it dude.. 450M's are cheap

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 1:39 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> wont sending POE power to the radio damage the port?, syncinjectors are
> passive poe
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:21 PM Eric Muehleisen 
> wrote:
>
>> The RackInjector board naming scheme is confusing. He really needs a
>> table matrix that breaks down what boards support what equipment and what
>> jumpers and power requirements to use. I think this is why he was asking
>> for help on his documentation.
>>
>> Power Injection for Cambium Sync = 450M & 450i.
>> Power Injection + Canopy Sync = ePMP, 450 & 320
>>
>> To power a 3ghz 450M you'll need a PDU card and a Power Injection for
>> Cambium Sync to provide sync pulse. No PoE on the 3.65ghz 450M. You leave
>> power enabled on the card/ports or sync will not work.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The
>>> syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as
>>> bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over
>>> power)
>>>
>>> so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i just
>>> turn off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i misunderstanding
>>> this and the 450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet port?
>>>
>>> forrest?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Steve Jones]

stop repeating the voices in my heads instructions

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:50 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Just try it dude.. 450M's are cheap
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 1:39 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> wont sending POE power to the radio damage the port?, syncinjectors are
>> passive poe
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:21 PM Eric Muehleisen 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The RackInjector board naming scheme is confusing. He really needs a
>>> table matrix that breaks down what boards support what equipment and what
>>> jumpers and power requirements to use. I think this is why he was asking
>>> for help on his documentation.
>>>
>>> Power Injection for Cambium Sync = 450M & 450i.
>>> Power Injection + Canopy Sync = ePMP, 450 & 320
>>>
>>> To power a 3ghz 450M you'll need a PDU card and a Power Injection for
>>> Cambium Sync to provide sync pulse. No PoE on the 3.65ghz 450M. You leave
>>> power enabled on the card/ports or sync will not work.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The
 syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as
 bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over
 power)

 so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i
 just turn off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i
 misunderstanding this and the 450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet
 port?

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[AFMUG] OT: Frickin Noobs

[Adam Moffett]

So some radio station is transporting audio over IP from studio to 
tower.  A few weeks ago they started getting skips in the audio, and 
they're finger pointing at me.  At first I couldn't even see a problem.  
Eventually I find that every so often there's a 1/10th second event with 
packet loss.  Seven seconds after the event you hear a little blip on 
the radio.  You could go a few hours between events, or only a few minutes.


I said yeah I'll try to track down what's causing that, but if you have 
a 7 second delay on this one-way transmission, isn't there plenty of 
time to resend 1/10th second of missing audio?


*grumble grumble*, finger point, it worked before, etc

So I've been trying to narrow down where this is happening and swap 
interfaces and such.  And keep in mind anything I do interrupts the 
radio so I have to do it at odd hours. Periodically during the process I 
re-ask why does this even happen?  This amount of loss shouldn't hurt you.


*grumble grumble*, finger point, it worked before, etc

So today they let me take a look at their Comrex audio streaming 
thing-a-ma-bobbers, and I looked in the manual.  Turns out the error 
correction features don't work on lossless audio codecs unless your 
firmware version is above a certain revision.  Theirs isn't above that 
revision, and they're using a lossless audio codec.  So now I'm like, 
yeah I'll keep looking for that little blip, but in the meantime you 
don't have to hear it if you'll upgrade your firmware and enable FEC.


They've had a number of people looking at this, including their 
engineer.  Their equipment has robust enough error correction that they 
could run that stuff on satellite or 4G if they wanted to. It's just not 
configured right!


You'd have fixed this in half an hour if you'd have RTFM'd you frickin 
noobs.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Frickin Noobs

[Steve Jones]

I had to correct problems for a radio station we service. What a PITA
dealing with them is. I accept the guy knows more about AM/FM radio than
ill ever even think about, but come on, learn the tech youre managing. Fist
issue was they were broadcasting real time stream with absolutely no
buffer. They also were not running any firewall. so after a few times of
them getting hacked and being an open SIP server, they decided to get a
more secure device (still no firewall) and finally got one with a buffer
and correction. I think I got him to buffer up 3 seconds, which pretty much
resolved all that.

Its like come on, be realistic, dont run things with no margins. This would
literally have askip when someone walked into the tower shed and turned on
the fluorescent light

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 2:16 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> So some radio station is transporting audio over IP from studio to
> tower.  A few weeks ago they started getting skips in the audio, and
> they're finger pointing at me.  At first I couldn't even see a problem.
> Eventually I find that every so often there's a 1/10th second event with
> packet loss.  Seven seconds after the event you hear a little blip on
> the radio.  You could go a few hours between events, or only a few minutes.
>
> I said yeah I'll try to track down what's causing that, but if you have
> a 7 second delay on this one-way transmission, isn't there plenty of
> time to resend 1/10th second of missing audio?
>
> *grumble grumble*, finger point, it worked before, etc
>
> So I've been trying to narrow down where this is happening and swap
> interfaces and such.  And keep in mind anything I do interrupts the
> radio so I have to do it at odd hours. Periodically during the process I
> re-ask why does this even happen?  This amount of loss shouldn't hurt you.
>
> *grumble grumble*, finger point, it worked before, etc
>
> So today they let me take a look at their Comrex audio streaming
> thing-a-ma-bobbers, and I looked in the manual.  Turns out the error
> correction features don't work on lossless audio codecs unless your
> firmware version is above a certain revision.  Theirs isn't above that
> revision, and they're using a lossless audio codec.  So now I'm like,
> yeah I'll keep looking for that little blip, but in the meantime you
> don't have to hear it if you'll upgrade your firmware and enable FEC.
>
> They've had a number of people looking at this, including their
> engineer.  Their equipment has robust enough error correction that they
> could run that stuff on satellite or 4G if they wanted to. It's just not
> configured right!
>
> You'd have fixed this in half an hour if you'd have RTFM'd you frickin
> noobs.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Carl Peterson]

I should have known better then to click on that.  I think I'm going to
throw up.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:43 PM  wrote:

> I should have said they can’t strike if stretched out.
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:47 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> When I lived down in Florida our office was right next to some really
> really thick jungle foliage and a river.  I was making my way to the river
> to check it out and I looked down and saw this pale tan snake between my
> legs slithering away that was at least 10feet long and 8 inches around.  I
> almost stepped on it.  Couldn't see the head as it was already moving away
> through the brush.  Pretty sure it was a constricting type but yeah you are
> right.  Most just want to get away and won't bother you or let you know to
> get lost..
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> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:40:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> Generally I just walk around them unless they are coiled.  They usually
> move.
> The bad thing is when you are down on your hands and knees and there is a
> coiled one nearby.
> Got nailed on the elbow once doing that.
>
> They strike if they are stretched out.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:34 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> My wife and I are avid hikers...we use our walking sticks to move them if
> we can't go around them.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:27 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
>> If kids are around where I find em, I kill em.  But most around here are
>> harmless so the ones I find I usually just take out to a ditch or field and
>> dump them.  Snakes are awesome.
>>
>> [image: Rope & Bloggle: December 2010]
>>
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>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:14:29 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>
>> Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them...
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> We live in the desert.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>>
>>> Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put
>>> in large plastic bintake out to the desert.
>>> Rodent control
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
 That's a big bundle of nope-rope.


 On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
 > We haven’t yet.
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 >> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> How did you fix the problem?
 >>
 >> Chuck McCown wrote:
 >>> Yes, several.
 >>>
 >>> Sent from my iPhone
 >>>
 > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:
 
 
  I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long.
 Is that more than one snake in there?
 
 
  bp
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Cameron Crum]

Every year in the county west of me they have a rattlesnake roundup event
in Weatherford, TX. They didn't do it this year due to covid and people are
reporting tons of rattlesnakes now out in the fields.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:00 PM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> I should have known better then to click on that.  I think I'm going to
> throw up.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:43 PM  wrote:
>
>> I should have said they can’t strike if stretched out.
>>
>> *From:* Steven Kenney
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:47 AM
>> *To:* af
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>
>> When I lived down in Florida our office was right next to some really
>> really thick jungle foliage and a river.  I was making my way to the river
>> to check it out and I looked down and saw this pale tan snake between my
>> legs slithering away that was at least 10feet long and 8 inches around.  I
>> almost stepped on it.  Couldn't see the head as it was already moving away
>> through the brush.  Pretty sure it was a constricting type but yeah you are
>> right.  Most just want to get away and won't bother you or let you know to
>> get lost..
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"chuck" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:40:30 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>
>> Generally I just walk around them unless they are coiled.  They usually
>> move.
>> The bad thing is when you are down on your hands and knees and there is a
>> coiled one nearby.
>> Got nailed on the elbow once doing that.
>>
>> They strike if they are stretched out.
>>
>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:34 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>
>> My wife and I are avid hikers...we use our walking sticks to move them if
>> we can't go around them.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:27 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>>
>>> If kids are around where I find em, I kill em.  But most around here are
>>> harmless so the ones I find I usually just take out to a ditch or field and
>>> dump them.  Snakes are awesome.
>>>
>>> [image: Rope & Bloggle: December 2010]
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Network Operations Manager
>>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>>
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>>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>>> *To: *"af" 
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:14:29 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>>
>>> Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them...
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM  wrote:
>>>
 We live in the desert.

 *From:* Jaime Solorza
 *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

 Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put
 in large plastic bintake out to the desert.
 Rodent control

 On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> That's a big bundle of nope-rope.
>
>
> On 6/25/2020 9:33 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
> > We haven’t yet.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> How did you fix the problem?
> >>
> >> Chuck McCown wrote:
> >>> Yes, several.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince 
> wrote:
> 
> 
>  I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long.
> Is that more than one snake in there?
> 
> 
>  bp
>  
> 
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[AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[Josh]

What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if your 
looking to do 60’ self-supporting.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[chuck]

65G for sure.  It is like a mini SSV 
You can probably put twice the stuff on it than you can a 45G.  

From: Josh 
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To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if your 
looking to do 60’ self-supporting.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[Josh Heide]

Not the 45g the 45gsr which has the solid steel legs.


Josh Heide
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From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

65G for sure.  It is like a mini SSV
You can probably put twice the stuff on it than you can a 45G.

From: Josh
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if your 
looking to do 60’ self-supporting.

Thanks,

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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[Lewis Bergman]

Why not go to the source?
http://www.rohnnet.com/files/2015_Rohn_Full_Catalog.pdf#page=170

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:34 PM Josh Heide  wrote:

> Not the 45g the 45gsr which has the solid steel legs.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" <
> ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM
> *To: *"af@af.afmug.com" 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g
>
>
>
> 65G for sure.  It is like a mini SSV
>
> You can probably put twice the stuff on it than you can a 45G.
>
>
>
> *From:* Josh
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:26 PM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g
>
>
>
> What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if
> your looking to do 60’ self-supporting.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[Craig House]

I wouldn't even consider a self supporting 45g over 40-50' 


From: "Josh"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:26:55 PM 
Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g 



What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if your 
looking to do 60’ self-supporting. 



Thanks, 




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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[Josh Heide]

Because I wanted to read real world results from people who have installed both 
because things are not always good as they appear in the spec sheet.

Thanks,

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From: AF  on behalf of Lewis Bergman 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

Why not go to the source?
http://www.rohnnet.com/files/2015_Rohn_Full_Catalog.pdf#page=170

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:34 PM Josh Heide  wrote:
Not the 45g the 45gsr which has the solid steel legs.


Josh Heide
Operations Manager
209-838-1221 | velociter.net
j...@velociter.net
1525 2nd Street, Escalon, CA 95320


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> on behalf of 
"ch...@wbmfg.com" 
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>>
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

65G for sure.  It is like a mini SSV
You can probably put twice the stuff on it than you can a 45G.

From: Josh
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if your 
looking to do 60’ self-supporting.

Thanks,

Josh Heide
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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[chuck]

Did not notice the S.

From: Josh Heide 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

Not the 45g the 45gsr which has the solid steel legs.

 

 

Josh Heide
Operations Manager
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j...@velociter.net
1525 2nd Street, Escalon, CA 95320

 

 

From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

 

65G for sure.  It is like a mini SSV 

You can probably put twice the stuff on it than you can a 45G.  

 

From: Josh 

Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:26 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

 

What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if your 
looking to do 60’ self-supporting.

 

Thanks,

 

Josh Heide
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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[chuck]

Didn’t even know they made a solid rod tower like this.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

Did not notice the S.

From: Josh Heide 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:33 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

Not the 45g the 45gsr which has the solid steel legs.

 

 

Josh Heide
Operations Manager
209-838-1221 | velociter.net
j...@velociter.net
1525 2nd Street, Escalon, CA 95320

 

 

From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

 

65G for sure.  It is like a mini SSV 

You can probably put twice the stuff on it than you can a 45G.  

 

From: Josh 

Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:26 PM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

 

What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if your 
looking to do 60’ self-supporting.

 

Thanks,

 

Josh Heide
Operations Manager
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j...@velociter.net
1525 2nd Street, Escalon, CA 95320

 




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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[chuck]

GSR is slightly better at all winds and heights it looks like.
Wonder how the price compares?
More room to work on the 65G. 

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

Why not go to the source? 
http://www.rohnnet.com/files/2015_Rohn_Full_Catalog.pdf#page=170  


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:34 PM Josh Heide  wrote:

  Not the 45g the 45gsr which has the solid steel legs.





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  From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

  Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM
  To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g



  65G for sure.  It is like a mini SSV 

  You can probably put twice the stuff on it than you can a 45G.  



  From: Josh 

  Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:26 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g



  What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if 
your looking to do 60’ self-supporting.



  Thanks,



  Josh Heide
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  j...@velociter.net
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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[Josh Heide]

Yea, why I was curious as on paper looks like the 45gsr is better

List price:
45gsr 10’ $885
65g 10’  $947
Also seeing tessco has a 45gsr double braced $1275 10’



From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

GSR is slightly better at all winds and heights it looks like.
Wonder how the price compares?
More room to work on the 65G.

From: Lewis Bergman
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

Why not go to the source?
http://www.rohnnet.com/files/2015_Rohn_Full_Catalog.pdf#page=170

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:34 PM Josh Heide  wrote:
Not the 45g the 45gsr which has the solid steel legs.


Josh Heide
Operations Manager
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j...@velociter.net
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From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM
To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

65G for sure.  It is like a mini SSV
You can probably put twice the stuff on it than you can a 45G.

From: Josh
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if your 
looking to do 60’ self-supporting.

Thanks,

Josh Heide
Operations Manager
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Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

[chuck]

Stronger and cheaper.  

From: Josh Heide 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:50 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

Yea, why I was curious as on paper looks like the 45gsr is better 

 

List price:

45gsr 10’ $885

65g 10’  $947

Also seeing tessco has a 45gsr double braced $1275 10’ 

 

 

 

From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

 

GSR is slightly better at all winds and heights it looks like.

Wonder how the price compares?

More room to work on the 65G. 

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:34 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

 

Why not go to the source? 

http://www.rohnnet.com/files/2015_Rohn_Full_Catalog.pdf#page=170  

 

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 4:34 PM Josh Heide  wrote:

  Not the 45g the 45gsr which has the solid steel legs.

   

   

  Josh Heide
  Operations Manager
  209-838-1221 | velociter.net
  j...@velociter.net
  1525 2nd Street, Escalon, CA 95320

   

   

  From: AF  on behalf of "ch...@wbmfg.com" 

  Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Date: Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 2:30 PM
  To: "af@af.afmug.com" 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

   

  65G for sure.  It is like a mini SSV 

  You can probably put twice the stuff on it than you can a 45G.  

   

  From: Josh 

  Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:26 PM

  To: af@af.afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Rohn 45gsr vs 65g

   

  What is stronger between rohn 45gsr and 65g? what could you put on each if 
your looking to do 60’ self-supporting.

   

  Thanks,

   

  Josh Heide
  Operations Manager
  209-838-1221 | velociter.net
  j...@velociter.net
  1525 2nd Street, Escalon, CA 95320

   


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 11:43 AM  wrote:

> I should have said they can’t strike if stretched out.
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:47 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> When I lived down in Florida our office was right next to some really
> really thick jungle foliage and a river.  I was making my way to the river
> to check it out and I looked down and saw this pale tan snake between my
> legs slithering away that was at least 10feet long and 8 inches around.  I
> almost stepped on it.  Couldn't see the head as it was already moving away
> through the brush.  Pretty sure it was a constricting type but yeah you are
> right.  Most just want to get away and won't bother you or let you know to
> get lost..
>
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> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:40:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> Generally I just walk around them unless they are coiled.  They usually
> move.
> The bad thing is when you are down on your hands and knees and there is a
> coiled one nearby.
> Got nailed on the elbow once doing that.
>
> They strike if they are stretched out.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:34 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> My wife and I are avid hikers...we use our walking sticks to move them if
> we can't go around them.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:27 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
>> If kids are around where I find em, I kill em.  But most around here are
>> harmless so the ones I find I usually just take out to a ditch or field and
>> dump them.  Snakes are awesome.
>>
>> [image: Rope & Bloggle: December 2010]
>>
>> --
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>> Network Operations Manager
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>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
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>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:14:29 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>
>> Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them...
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> We live in the desert.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>>
>>> Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put
>>> in large plastic bintake out to the desert.
>>> Rodent control
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
 That's a big bundle of nope-rope.


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 > We haven’t yet.
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
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 >> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley 
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 >>
 >> How did you fix the problem?
 >>
 >> Chuck McCown wrote:
 >>> Yes, several.
 >>>
 >>> Sent from my iPhone
 >>>
 > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:
 
 
  I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long.
 Is that more than one snake in there?
 
 
  bp
  
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise

[Jaime Solorza]

Yep

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 11:43 AM  wrote:

> I should have said they can’t strike if stretched out.
>
> *From:* Steven Kenney
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:47 AM
> *To:* af
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> When I lived down in Florida our office was right next to some really
> really thick jungle foliage and a river.  I was making my way to the river
> to check it out and I looked down and saw this pale tan snake between my
> legs slithering away that was at least 10feet long and 8 inches around.  I
> almost stepped on it.  Couldn't see the head as it was already moving away
> through the brush.  Pretty sure it was a constricting type but yeah you are
> right.  Most just want to get away and won't bother you or let you know to
> get lost..
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"chuck" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:40:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> Generally I just walk around them unless they are coiled.  They usually
> move.
> The bad thing is when you are down on your hands and knees and there is a
> coiled one nearby.
> Got nailed on the elbow once doing that.
>
> They strike if they are stretched out.
>
> *From:* Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:34 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>
> My wife and I are avid hikers...we use our walking sticks to move them if
> we can't go around them.
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:27 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:
>
>> If kids are around where I find em, I kill em.  But most around here are
>> harmless so the ones I find I usually just take out to a ditch or field and
>> dump them.  Snakes are awesome.
>>
>> [image: Rope & Bloggle: December 2010]
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Jaime Solorza" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, June 25, 2020 11:14:29 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>
>> Exactly...away from city slickers who just want to kill them...
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 9:12 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> We live in the desert.
>>>
>>> *From:* Jaime Solorza
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:04 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Hand Hole Surprise
>>>
>>> Call a rattlesnake Wrangler...our get those long ass hand grips and put
>>> in large plastic bintake out to the desert.
>>> Rodent control
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 8:40 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>>
 That's a big bundle of nope-rope.


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 > We haven’t yet.
 >
 > Sent from my iPhone
 >
 >> On Jun 25, 2020, at 6:30 AM, Jay Weekley 
 wrote:
 >>
 >> How did you fix the problem?
 >>
 >> Chuck McCown wrote:
 >>> Yes, several.
 >>>
 >>> Sent from my iPhone
 >>>
 > On Jun 24, 2020, at 6:44 PM, Bill Prince 
 wrote:
 
 
  I think that's a Western Rattlesnake, but it looks way too long.
 Is that more than one snake in there?
 
 
  bp
  
 
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[AFMUG] witch?

[Ken Hohhof]

I have a customer named Samantha Stephens.  Should I worry she might be a
witch?

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Re: [AFMUG] witch?

[Cameron Crum]

Only if her husband is Darren.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] witch?

[David Coudron]

Did she ask how difficult it might be to mount a Subscriber Module to a solid 
glass surface?


From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 5:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] witch?

Only if her husband is Darren.

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof 
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Re: [AFMUG] witch?

[Ken Hohhof]

Old Darren or new Darren?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cameron Crum
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 5:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] witch?

 

Only if her husband is Darren.

 

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:40 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

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Re: [AFMUG] witch?

[chuck]

Is she smokin’ hot?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] witch?

I have a customer named Samantha Stephens.  Should I worry she might be a witch?




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[AFMUG] OT Witch

[chuck]

Had to go read why again they switched.
Health problems which lead to drug problems.

In 1969, with Dick York as Darrin (his final season), the show was a ratings 
hit at #11, but when Sargent took over the role, ratings soon dropped and the 
show went to #24. Poor Dick Sargent never did catch on with the show's loyal 
viewers and Bewitched was soon cancelled.

Dick York remained on his back for a full year after leaving Bewitched and fell 
on hard times soon after. Bad investments had left him broke, and his teeth 
rotted out (a common problem for drug abusers), so he and his wife were reduced 
to cleaning houses for a living.

In a tragic twist of fate, the actor found out later in life that offers had 
actually been coming in for him, but because his listing with the union was 
somehow messed up, he was never notified. In 1982, Dick York finally got his 
life back together, got his teeth fixed, and went back to work. He did guest 
spots on Fantasy Island, Simon & Simon, and a TV movie called High School, USA.


York's comeback was short-lived, however, and he devoted the rest of his life 
to fighting his life-threatening illnesses and helping the homeless. Dick York, 
a TV icon, died in 1992 at the age of 63.


From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:52 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] witch?

Is she smokin’ hot?

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:40 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] witch?

I have a customer named Samantha Stephens.  Should I worry she might be a witch?




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Re: [AFMUG] witch?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
When she starts wiggling her nose, you better run!


bp



On 6/25/2020 3:41 PM, Cameron Crum
  wrote:


  
  Only if her husband is Darren.
  
  
On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 5:40
  PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:


  

  I have a customer named Samantha
Stephens.  Should I worry she might be a witch?

  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Witch

[Jaime Solorza]

Oh I remember her fondly... especially as Sabrina...yum yum

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020, 4:59 PM  wrote:

> Had to go read why again they switched.
> Health problems which lead to drug problems.
>
> In 1969, with Dick York as Darrin (his final season), the show was a
> ratings hit at #11, but when Sargent took over the role, ratings soon
> dropped and the show went to #24. Poor Dick Sargent never did catch on with
> the show's loyal viewers and *Bewitched* was soon cancelled.
>
>
> Dick York remained on his back for a full year after leaving *Bewitched* and
> fell on hard times soon after. Bad investments had left him broke, and his
> teeth rotted out (a common problem for drug abusers), so he and his wife
> were reduced to cleaning houses for a living.
>
> In a tragic twist of fate, the actor found out later in life that offers
> had actually been coming in for him, but because his listing with the union
> was somehow messed up, he was never notified. In 1982, Dick York finally
> got his life back together, got his teeth fixed, and went back to work. He
> did guest spots on *Fantasy Island, Simon & Simon*, and a TV movie called 
> *High
> School, USA*.
>
> York's comeback was short-lived, however, and he devoted the rest of his
> life to fighting his life-threatening illnesses and helping the homeless.
> Dick York, a TV icon, died in 1992 at the age of 63.
>
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:52 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] witch?
>
> Is she smokin’ hot?
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 25, 2020 4:40 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] witch?
>
>
> I have a customer named Samantha Stephens.  Should I worry she might be a
> witch?
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Matt Mangriotis via AF]

Sorry I didn’t see this earlier Steve… this second link is the one I would have 
pointed you too.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

double ha
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Getting-Started/Installing-DC-LPU-and-Grounding-Kit-for-3-GHz-PMP-450m-Cambium/m-p/96487

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:49 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
ha
https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/bstrc49894/attachments/bstrc49894/forums_pmp_450/7434/1/3%20GHz%20450m%20power%20cam-10189_000v001.pdf

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
its a 4 pin connector, but im having a time finding the pinout, the power 
supply is only 2 terminals

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:30 PM Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:
Wait the 450m 3 GHz needs four conductors?!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:15 PM Matt Hopkins 
mailto:mhopk...@onlinenw.com>> wrote:
On the 5GHz 450M you can use one cable for power, sync, and data if you so 
choose.
On the 3GHz 450M you have to use at least 2 cables. One will probably be cat5 
for sync and data. Power must have it's own 4 conductor cable. In the 
RackInjector, you would be providing power over the sync port as well as the 
power cable but the 450M will ignore the power input from the Cat5. The pic 
below shows the end result. This is live from one of our towers. Note the 
current on all the ports is minimal.

[cid:image002.png@01D64B24.93FBB1E0]



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:38 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
wont sending POE power to the radio damage the port?, syncinjectors are passive 
poe

On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:21 PM Eric Muehleisen 
mailto:ericm...@gmail.com>> wrote:
The RackInjector board naming scheme is confusing. He really needs a table 
matrix that breaks down what boards support what equipment and what jumpers and 
power requirements to use. I think this is why he was asking for help on his 
documentation.

Power Injection for Cambium Sync = 450M & 450i.
Power Injection + Canopy Sync = ePMP, 450 & 320

To power a 3ghz 450M you'll need a PDU card and a Power Injection for Cambium 
Sync to provide sync pulse. No PoE on the 3.65ghz 450M. You leave power enabled 
on the card/ports or sync will not work.



On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The 
syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as 
bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over power)

so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i just turn 
off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i misunderstanding this and the 
450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet port?

forrest?


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Re: [AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Everyone straightened you out just fine

But yes, the 3Ghz medusa powers via the DC power, and gets sync over the
ethernet port with a cambium sync rackinjector card OR a
powerinjector+cambium sync if you're at a site without a rackinjector.  And
yes, it's fine to put power on the ethernet port on a 3Ghz 450m.


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:46 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The
> syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as
> bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over
> power)
>
> so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i just
> turn off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i misunderstanding
> this and the 450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet port?
>
> forrest?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Frickin Noobs

[Mark Radabaugh]

The stuff we find from old analog radio guys is downright scary…

Encoders feeding T1’s feeding TDM to packet converters across a data link back 
to TDM to analog with no error correction or buffering.

Or the radio guy who ripped out the Canopy BH10’s because the radio was only 
getting -60dB and everyone knows you need -50dB for good audio.   

oh my...   

Mark

> On Jun 25, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> I had to correct problems for a radio station we service. What a PITA dealing 
> with them is. I accept the guy knows more about AM/FM radio than ill ever 
> even think about, but come on, learn the tech youre managing. Fist issue was 
> they were broadcasting real time stream with absolutely no buffer. They also 
> were not running any firewall. so after a few times of them getting hacked 
> and being an open SIP server, they decided to get a more secure device (still 
> no firewall) and finally got one with a buffer and correction. I think I got 
> him to buffer up 3 seconds, which pretty much resolved all that.
> 
> Its like come on, be realistic, dont run things with no margins. This would 
> literally have askip when someone walked into the tower shed and turned on 
> the fluorescent light
> 
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 2:16 PM Adam Moffett  > wrote:
> So some radio station is transporting audio over IP from studio to 
> tower.  A few weeks ago they started getting skips in the audio, and 
> they're finger pointing at me.  At first I couldn't even see a problem.  
> Eventually I find that every so often there's a 1/10th second event with 
> packet loss.  Seven seconds after the event you hear a little blip on 
> the radio.  You could go a few hours between events, or only a few minutes.
> 
> I said yeah I'll try to track down what's causing that, but if you have 
> a 7 second delay on this one-way transmission, isn't there plenty of 
> time to resend 1/10th second of missing audio?
> 
> *grumble grumble*, finger point, it worked before, etc
> 
> So I've been trying to narrow down where this is happening and swap 
> interfaces and such.  And keep in mind anything I do interrupts the 
> radio so I have to do it at odd hours. Periodically during the process I 
> re-ask why does this even happen?  This amount of loss shouldn't hurt you.
> 
> *grumble grumble*, finger point, it worked before, etc
> 
> So today they let me take a look at their Comrex audio streaming 
> thing-a-ma-bobbers, and I looked in the manual.  Turns out the error 
> correction features don't work on lossless audio codecs unless your 
> firmware version is above a certain revision.  Theirs isn't above that 
> revision, and they're using a lossless audio codec.  So now I'm like, 
> yeah I'll keep looking for that little blip, but in the meantime you 
> don't have to hear it if you'll upgrade your firmware and enable FEC.
> 
> They've had a number of people looking at this, including their 
> engineer.  Their equipment has robust enough error correction that they 
> could run that stuff on satellite or 4G if they wanted to. It's just not 
> configured right!
> 
> You'd have fixed this in half an hour if you'd have RTFM'd you frickin 
> noobs.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Frickin Noobs

[Adam Moffett]

T1 over IP is a damnable sin.  I can see why you might do it on a campus 
network to connect phone systems in different buildings. But for what 
you spend on T1 over IP equipment, I'd wonder why the person wasn't just 
considering a different phone system.


Honestly I'm very impressed by the radio stations's Comrex BRIC-Link.  I 
just wish they knew how to use it.


And their response to me telling them it will work better if you update 
the firmware and enable FEC is still: *grumble grumble*, finger point, 
it worked before, etc



On 6/25/2020 9:31 PM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:

The stuff we find from old analog radio guys is downright scary…

Encoders feeding T1’s feeding TDM to packet converters across a data 
link back to TDM to analog with no error correction or buffering.


Or the radio guy who ripped out the Canopy BH10’s because the radio 
was only getting -60dB and everyone knows you need -50dB for good audio.


oh my...

Mark

On Jun 25, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Steve Jones > wrote:


I had to correct problems for a radio station we service. What a PITA 
dealing with them is. I accept the guy knows more about AM/FM radio 
than ill ever even think about, but come on, learn the tech youre 
managing. Fist issue was they were broadcasting real time stream with 
absolutely no buffer. They also were not running any firewall. so 
after a few times of them getting hacked and being an open SIP 
server, they decided to get a more secure device (still no firewall) 
and finally got one with a buffer and correction. I think I got him 
to buffer up 3 seconds, which pretty much resolved all that.


Its like come on, be realistic, dont run things with no margins. This 
would literally have askip when someone walked into the tower shed 
and turned on the fluorescent light


On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 2:16 PM Adam Moffett > wrote:


So some radio station is transporting audio over IP from studio to
tower.  A few weeks ago they started getting skips in the audio, and
they're finger pointing at me.  At first I couldn't even see a
problem.
Eventually I find that every so often there's a 1/10th second
event with
packet loss.  Seven seconds after the event you hear a little
blip on
the radio.  You could go a few hours between events, or only a
few minutes.

I said yeah I'll try to track down what's causing that, but if
you have
a 7 second delay on this one-way transmission, isn't there plenty of
time to resend 1/10th second of missing audio?

*grumble grumble*, finger point, it worked before, etc

So I've been trying to narrow down where this is happening and swap
interfaces and such.  And keep in mind anything I do interrupts the
radio so I have to do it at odd hours. Periodically during the
process I
re-ask why does this even happen?  This amount of loss shouldn't
hurt you.

*grumble grumble*, finger point, it worked before, etc

So today they let me take a look at their Comrex audio streaming
thing-a-ma-bobbers, and I looked in the manual.  Turns out the error
correction features don't work on lossless audio codecs unless your
firmware version is above a certain revision.  Theirs isn't above
that
revision, and they're using a lossless audio codec. So now I'm like,
yeah I'll keep looking for that little blip, but in the meantime you
don't have to hear it if you'll upgrade your firmware and enable FEC.

They've had a number of people looking at this, including their
engineer.  Their equipment has robust enough error correction
that they
could run that stuff on satellite or 4G if they wanted to. It's
just not
configured right!

You'd have fixed this in half an hour if you'd have RTFM'd you
frickin
noobs.



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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m

[Jon Langeler]

Fiber and power cables only plus gps feeding off the aux port works fine.

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Jun 25, 2020, at 10:34 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> 
> What am I missing?  Is it not possible to do inband management over the fiber?
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List 
> Account)
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 9:05 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m
>  
> You generally want the CAT5 cable in place for management.
>  
> And yes, aux port does work
>  
> And the technology you're looking for for over the ethernet is ieee 1588.  
> The problem is likely costs...
>  
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 8:02 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> Seems like there should be a way to pass sync over the fiber.  But doing 10 
> seconds of reading on SyncE, that doesn’t look like it.
>  
> I assume AUX port sync is also an option?  Maybe that’s preferable to running 
> an extra Cat5 cable up the tower just to transport a 1 pps signal.
>  
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 7:13 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m
>  
> Sorry I didn’t see this earlier Steve… this second link is the one I would 
> have pointed you too.
>  
> Matt
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 3:51 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Syncinjector cambium sync with 3ghz 450m
>  
> double ha
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/PMP-Getting-Started/Installing-DC-LPU-and-Grounding-Kit-for-3-GHz-PMP-450m-Cambium/m-p/96487
>   
>  
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:49 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
> ha
> https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/bstrc49894/attachments/bstrc49894/forums_pmp_450/7434/1/3%20GHz%20450m%20power%20cam-10189_000v001.pdf
>  
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:45 PM Steve Jones  wrote:
> its a 4 pin connector, but im having a time finding the pinout, the power 
> supply is only 2 terminals
>  
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:30 PM Josh Luthman  
> wrote:
> Wait the 450m 3 GHz needs four conductors?!
>  
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>  
>  
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:15 PM Matt Hopkins  wrote:
> On the 5GHz 450M you can use one cable for power, sync, and data if you so 
> choose.
> On the 3GHz 450M you have to use at least 2 cables. One will probably be cat5 
> for sync and data. Power must have it's own 4 conductor cable. In the 
> RackInjector, you would be providing power over the sync port as well as the 
> power cable but the 450M will ignore the power input from the Cat5. The pic 
> below shows the end result. This is live from one of our towers. Note the 
> current on all the ports is minimal.
>  
> 
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:38 AM Steve Jones  
> wrote:
> wont sending POE power to the radio damage the port?, syncinjectors are 
> passive poe
>  
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 12:21 PM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:
> The RackInjector board naming scheme is confusing. He really needs a table 
> matrix that breaks down what boards support what equipment and what jumpers 
> and power requirements to use. I think this is why he was asking for help on 
> his documentation.
>  
> Power Injection for Cambium Sync = 450M & 450i.
> Power Injection + Canopy Sync = ePMP, 450 & 320
>  
> To power a 3ghz 450M you'll need a PDU card and a Power Injection for Cambium 
> Sync to provide sync pulse. No PoE on the 3.65ghz 450M. You leave power 
> enabled on the card/ports or sync will not work.
>  
>  
>  
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 11:46 AM Steve Jones  
> wrote:
> Im confused as shit, and the cambium documentation is not clear. The 
> syncinjector cambium sync says 450m, but is the only 450m 5ghz? the 3ghz as 
> bestI can tell is a DC only product (even says something about sync over 
> power)
>  
> so will the syncinjector still provide sync at the ethernet port, i just turn 
> off the power output on the syncinjector? or am i misunderstanding this and 
> the 450m 3ghz will take power via the ethernet port?
>  
> forrest?
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