Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Adam Moffett]

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. Some 
part of you is rooting for it.


Just a hypothesis.


On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. 
most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most 
capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes 
boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i 
never understood why people on the right get very nervous about these 
things. a lot like devout christians worying about end times and rapture.


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown > wrote:


My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is
very alt right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen
them both at the same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung
flu is gonna get us all.

Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies
mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

 On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here. 
Can't do it at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a
grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know you are saving me a few $ in
therapy.  So, Thank You.


--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com 

--

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:


OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington
Post after all), but sounds kind of science-y.

The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for
about six weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death
was reported this weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the
cases are linked through community transmission and that this has
been going on for weeks, with hundreds of infections likely in
the state.


*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I have not seen
news reports anything close to “we are all going to die”.

And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of
people buying up all the Lysol and Purell.  I did buy a couple of
the pump bottles of foaming hand soap we like, but the shelf was
full.  News reports have said wash your hands and that it’s good
advice for seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s doomsday
advice.

I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all crazy there (as
usual).  Actually I have to admit that I recently discovered the
steaks from Walmart are actually pretty good, they were branded
Tyson Fresh Meats.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka
Technologies
*Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

There are only a few things we know for sure.

1. It is already in the US
2. More people in the US will get it
3. More people in the US will die.

Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point.  We
don't know anything about this virus.  Most everything I hear or
read about this virus starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE
ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you bother to listen or read the
article, it always has "may" or "some experts".  The current
official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report
14 days and base all our models on this and report it as the most
likely scenario.  We don't know how long it lives on surfaces. 
We don't know how it reacts to UV light.  We don't know how it
will do in warm/humid conditions.

My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This virus has been
in the states before the first reported case.  People have had it
and recovered thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed
is going to get it. Not everyone who gets it is going to need to
be hospitalized.  Not everyone who gets hospitalized will die.

The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are
hyping this thing  way out of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart
yesterday. Every can of Lysol or Lysol type of product was gone. 
Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone.  Every bottle of
any sized hand sanitizer, gone.  Crazy. The closest reported
"maybe" case is over 1300 miles away.  God forbid we get a
reported case in Florida, what will happen then?  Going to start
burning and looting?


--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com 

--

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:

I am not a doctor. I don't ev

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner.  
Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only thing in 
their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times, 
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares about Spam 
and Vienna sausages.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part of 
you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

 

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most of 
the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable of 
utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the 
best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood why people on 
the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians 
worying about end times and rapture.

 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt right 
too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place 
at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.  

Sent from my iPhone





On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

 On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it at 
home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know 
you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.   


--
Best regards,
Mark  mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
  www.Myakka.com

--

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:


OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after all), 
but sounds kind of science-y.

The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six 
weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this 
weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through 
community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds 
of infections likely in the state. 


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I have not seen news reports 
anything close to “we are all going to die”.

And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of people buying up 
all the Lysol and Purell.  I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of foaming 
hand soap we like, but the shelf was full.  News reports have said wash your 
hands and that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s 
doomsday advice.

I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all crazy there (as usual).  
Actually I have to admit that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart are 
actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson Fresh Meats.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark - Myakka Technologies
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

There are only a few things we know for sure.

1. It is already in the US
2. More people in the US will get it
3. More people in the US will die.

Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point.  We don't know 
anything about this virus.  Most everything I hear or read about this virus 
starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".  But if you bother 
to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some experts".  The 
current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 14 
days and base all our models on this and report it as the most likely scenario. 
 We don't know how long it lives on surfaces.  We don't know how it reacts to 
UV light.  We don't know how it will do in warm/humid conditions.

My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This virus has been in the states 
before the first reported case.  People have had it and recovered thinking it 
was just the flu. Not everyone exposed is going to get it.  Not everyone who 
gets it is going to need to be hospitalized.  Not everyone who gets 
hospitalized will die.

The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are hyping this thing 
 way out of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every can of Lysol or Lysol 
type of product was gone.  Every package of disinfectant wipes were gone.  
Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone.  Crazy.  The closest reported 
"maybe" case is over 1300 miles away.  God forbid we get a reported case in 
Florida, what will happen then?  G

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Matt Hoppes]

What does China know that the rest of us don’t? Why are they shutting 
down their economy for over a month for “the flu”? This may be exactly 
what they know:


https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/jmv.25728

From the concluding paragraph:

Since SARS-CoV2 may conceal itself in the neurons from the immune 
recognition, complete clearance of the virus may not be guaranteed even 
the patients have recovered from the acute infection.


If you get infected, the virus might be stuck lurking inside you for 
LIFE! And it can leak out and get you sick again just like shingles.


Here’s another bombshell from the study quietly slipped in there:

In light of the high similarity between SARS-CoV and SARS-CoV2, it is 
quite likely that the potential neuroinvason of SARS-CoV-2 plays an 
important role in the acute respiratory failure of COVID-19 patients. 
According to the complaints of a survivor, the medical graduate student 
(24 years old) from Wuhan University, she must stay awake and breathe 
consciously and actively during the intensive care. She said that if she 
fell asleep, she might die because she had lost her natural breath.


That’s right, you may have to manually and consciously breathe due to 
the effect of the virus on your brain neurons.


This isn’t the flu folks. It’s time to wake up, pay attention to what’s 
going on around you, and prepare to potentially not leave your home for 
2-4 months.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
  COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
  the end.

bp



On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Well, the French are screwed, they don’t
  even stock food for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to
  eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their
  pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the
  end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
  end.  Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Adam
  Moffett
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
  

 
You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
  preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.
Just a hypothesis.
 

  On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
i never understood it, on the right, we
  tend to be the most prepared. most of the die hard
  preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable
  of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it
  goes boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition
  and training. so i never understood why people on the
  right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
  devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
  
   
  

  On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck
McCown  wrote:


  
My
  oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. 
  He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I
  have never seen them both at the same place at the
  same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us
  all.  

  Sent from my iPhone


  


  
On
  Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
  Technologies 
  wrote:
  


  

  On a side note. 
Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't
do it at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me
I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know you are
saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.  



--
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com
  
  Myakka Technologies,
Inc.
  www.Myakka.com
  
  --

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:

  

  
  
  
OK, maybe this is
  hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington
  Post after all), but sounds kind of
  science-y.
  
  The novel coronavirus has probably been
  spreading undetected for about six weeks
  in Washington state, where the first U.S.
  death was reported this weekend. A genetic
  analysis suggests that the cases are
  linked through community transmission and
  that this has been going on for weeks,
  with hundreds of infections likely in the
  state. 
  
  
  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21
PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT:
  

[AFMUG] OT - Judy for preppers

[Ken Hohhof]

Social media influencers like the Kardashians want to turn you into a
prepper.

 

https://www.instagram.com/readysetjudy/

 

https://www.vox.com/the-goods/2020/3/2/21151040/disaster-prep-survival-prepp
er-kit-judy-kim-kardashian-hurricane-fire

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough
patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19
> before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part
> of you is rooting for it.
>
> Just a hypothesis.
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most
> of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable
> of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we
> have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
> why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
> devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
>  On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it
> at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after
> all), but sounds kind of science-y.
>
> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six
> weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this
> weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through
> community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with
> hundreds of infections likely in the state.
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I have not seen news reports
> anything close to “we are all going to die”.
>
> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of people buying
> up all the Lysol and Purell.  I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of
> foaming hand soap we like, but the shelf was full.  News reports have said
> wash your hands and that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I don’t
> think that’s doomsday advice.
>
> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all crazy there (as usual).
> Actually I have to admit that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart
> are actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson Fresh Meats.
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka
> Technologies
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> There are only a few things we know for sure.
>
> 1. It is already in the US
> 2. More people in the US will get it
> 3. More people in the US will die.
>
> Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point.  We don't know
> anything about this virus.  Most everything I hear or read about this virus
> starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".  But if you
> bother to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some
> experts".  The current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey
> lets just report 14 days and base all our models on this and report it as
> the most likely scenario.  We don't know how long it lives on surfaces.  We
> don't know how it reacts to UV light.  We don't know how it will do in
> warm/humid conditions.
>
> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This virus has been in the
> states before the first reported case.  People have had it and recovered
> thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed is going to get it.  Not
> everyone who gets it is going to need to be hospitalized.  Not everyone who
> gets hospitalized will die.
>
> The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are hyping this
> thing  way out o

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steven Kenney]

Eventually they'll all die out so stats will drop! 

Now the task is to find all the dead people in their homes. They welded people 
shut in some places! 




From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:43:34 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
patients 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince < [ mailto:part15...@gmail.com | 
part15...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 





Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
before eating an old baguette! 

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end. 
bp
 
On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner. 
Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes. Probably the only thing in their 
pantry is cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end times, they 
have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who cares about Spam and 
Vienna sausages. 




From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 




You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. Some part of 
you is rooting for it. 

Just a hypothesis. 




On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most of 
the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable of 
utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the 
best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood why people on 
the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians 
worying about end times and rapture. 





On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | 
ch...@wbmfg.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. He is very alt right 
too. He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place at 
the same time. He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all. 


Sent from my iPhone 





BQ_BEGIN


On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies < [ 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com | m...@mailmt.com ] > wrote: 



BQ_BEGIN



On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant and rave here. Can't do it at home, 
wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. Chuck, I know you are 
saving me a few $ in therapy. So, Thank You. 


-- 
Best regards, 
Mark [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | mailto:m...@mailmt.com ] 

Myakka Technologies, Inc. 
[ http://www.myakka.com/ | www.Myakka.com ] 

-- 

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote: 


OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after all), 
but sounds kind of science-y. 

The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six 
weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this 
weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through 
community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds 
of infections likely in the state. 


From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. I have not seen news reports 
anything close to “we are all going to die”. 

And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of people buying up 
all the Lysol and Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of foaming 
hand soap we like, but the shelf was full. News reports have said wash your 
hands and that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s 
doomsday advice. 

I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all crazy there (as usual). 
Actually I have to admit that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart are 
actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson Fresh Meats. 

From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

There are only a few things we know for sure. 

1. It is already in the US 
2. More people in the US will get it 
3. More people in the US will die. 

Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point. We don't know 
anything about this virus. Most everything I hear or read about this virus 
starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE". But if you bother 
to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some experts". The 
current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey lets just report 14 
days and b

Re: [AFMUG] 450m 365 sync

[dave]

We have a few cmm5 in service and had absolutely no issues with them and 
yes pricey for sure but havent went to a site for a cmm5 issue ever.
Cmm4 did what it was designed to do  and we still  have a couple in 
service. If I had learned to ground them properly I would not of had to 
replace any of them as with any

thing you put on a tower.
They were of course only 100baseT where CMM5 is GigE.
Ive been looking at chucks Gige APC gas tube surge arrestor for a new 
project we have and looks like a good replacement for the APC444HV version.


I liked the CMM4 for its Outdoor verison and classy nema box that could 
be mounted on a tower but cmm5 there isnt any way to do such unless the 
box is

3'x3'x12" which is lil too big for my taste at 150' on a tower.
We pay close attention to what the cellcos are doing with their squid 
and power/fiber distribution.




On 2/27/20 3:32 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

CMM5 is worse than the CMM4.

and yes the control board for the CMM5 is a Pi

-sean


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:44 PM Josh Baird > wrote:


Yes, the CMM4 was horrible.  We still have a few as well.

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

CMM Micro was pretty cool. We dropped the coin for a few CMM4
(still have one NIB) and were sorely disappointed in what a
shitshow it was of cobbled components at crazy high cost, half
web interface, half CLI, and IIRC there was java involved too.
I wont even look at a CMM5

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 1:26 PM Josh Baird
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Was it the CMM5 that was basically a big metal box with a
tiny Raspberry Pi in it?

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:21 PM Sean Heskett
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

We use the PacketFlux rack injector - great product
and easy to use for lots of different equipment types.

We ripped out all of our CMM5s because honestly they
are a PITA and a very clunky solution.

-Sean


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:09 AM Shayne Lebrun
mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca>> wrote:

What are the various options for providing sync to
a 3.65 450M?

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[AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's that
are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to
take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them
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Re: [AFMUG] 450m 365 sync

[Josh Baird]

Do you have a solution for fiber+power to each radio?  We're looking at a
few different options right now..

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:26 AM dave  wrote:

> We have a few cmm5 in service and had absolutely no issues with them and
> yes pricey for sure but havent went to a site for a cmm5 issue ever.
> Cmm4 did what it was designed to do  and we still  have a couple in
> service. If I had learned to ground them properly I would not of had to
> replace any of them as with any
> thing you put on a tower.
> They were of course only 100baseT where CMM5 is GigE.
> Ive been looking at chucks Gige APC gas tube surge arrestor for a new
> project we have and looks like a good replacement for the APC444HV version.
>
> I liked the CMM4 for its Outdoor verison and classy nema box that could be
> mounted on a tower but cmm5 there isnt any way to do such unless the box is
> 3'x3'x12" which is lil too big for my taste at 150' on a tower.
> We pay close attention to what the cellcos are doing with their squid and
> power/fiber distribution.
>
>
>
> On 2/27/20 3:32 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> CMM5 is worse than the CMM4.
>
> and yes the control board for the CMM5 is a Pi
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:44 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Yes, the CMM4 was horrible.  We still have a few as well.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> CMM Micro was pretty cool. We dropped the coin for a few CMM4 (still
>>> have one NIB) and were sorely disappointed in what a shitshow it was of
>>> cobbled components at crazy high cost, half web interface, half CLI, and
>>> IIRC there was java involved too. I wont even look at a CMM5
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 1:26 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Was it the CMM5 that was basically a big metal box with a tiny
 Raspberry Pi in it?

 On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> We use the PacketFlux rack injector - great product and easy to use
> for lots of different equipment types.
>
> We ripped out all of our CMM5s because honestly they are a PITA and a
> very clunky solution.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:09 AM Shayne Lebrun <
> sleb...@corebroadband.ca> wrote:
>
>> What are the various options for providing sync to a 3.65 450M?
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Steve Jones]

Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the
Lite APs?



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's that
> are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to
> take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them
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Re: [AFMUG] 450m 365 sync

[Steve Jones]

CMM4 was solid, just awful for management. We are moving to all gas tube, I
trust chuck to undersell his products enough that the clamp delay or
whatever its called is worth the risk

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:26 AM dave  wrote:

> We have a few cmm5 in service and had absolutely no issues with them and
> yes pricey for sure but havent went to a site for a cmm5 issue ever.
> Cmm4 did what it was designed to do  and we still  have a couple in
> service. If I had learned to ground them properly I would not of had to
> replace any of them as with any
> thing you put on a tower.
> They were of course only 100baseT where CMM5 is GigE.
> Ive been looking at chucks Gige APC gas tube surge arrestor for a new
> project we have and looks like a good replacement for the APC444HV version.
>
> I liked the CMM4 for its Outdoor verison and classy nema box that could be
> mounted on a tower but cmm5 there isnt any way to do such unless the box is
> 3'x3'x12" which is lil too big for my taste at 150' on a tower.
> We pay close attention to what the cellcos are doing with their squid and
> power/fiber distribution.
>
>
>
> On 2/27/20 3:32 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>
> CMM5 is worse than the CMM4.
>
> and yes the control board for the CMM5 is a Pi
>
> -sean
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:44 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>
>> Yes, the CMM4 was horrible.  We still have a few as well.
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> CMM Micro was pretty cool. We dropped the coin for a few CMM4 (still
>>> have one NIB) and were sorely disappointed in what a shitshow it was of
>>> cobbled components at crazy high cost, half web interface, half CLI, and
>>> IIRC there was java involved too. I wont even look at a CMM5
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 1:26 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Was it the CMM5 that was basically a big metal box with a tiny
 Raspberry Pi in it?

 On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:

> We use the PacketFlux rack injector - great product and easy to use
> for lots of different equipment types.
>
> We ripped out all of our CMM5s because honestly they are a PITA and a
> very clunky solution.
>
> -Sean
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:09 AM Shayne Lebrun <
> sleb...@corebroadband.ca> wrote:
>
>> What are the various options for providing sync to a 3.65 450M?
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Kurt Fankhauser]

don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key
upgrade for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200
of them if i dont have too

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the
> Lite APs?
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's that
>> are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to
>> take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them
>> all.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  
The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a 
field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

 

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of 
results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because it 
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the 
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
patients

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.

bp

 

On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner.  
Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only thing in 
their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times, 
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares about Spam 
and Vienna sausages.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part of 
you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

 

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most of 
the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable of 
utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the 
best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood why people on 
the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians 
worying about end times and rapture.

 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt right 
too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place 
at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.  

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

 On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it at 
home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know 
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OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after all), 
but sounds kind of science-y.

The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six 
weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this 
weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through 
community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds 
of infections likely in the state. 


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I have not seen news reports 
anything close to “we are all going to die”.

And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of people buying up 
all the Lysol and Purell.  I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of foaming 
hand soap we like, but the shelf was full.  News reports have said wash your 
hands and that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s 
doomsday advice.

I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are all crazy there (as usual).  
Actually I have to admit that I recently discovered the steaks from Walmart are 
actually pretty good, they were branded Tyson Fresh Meats.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Mark - Myakka Technologies

Re: [AFMUG] 450m 365 sync

[dave]

We do,
 We are using #14x4 UV rated power wire and using TAC2 SM LC-LC Fiber 
for each radio. Each radio also gets Superior Essex Armor Cat6 BBDGE 
cable for

Timing and POE in case of 5Ghz.
U could get custom cables made from Best-tronics that have 4 wire#14 
with a pair of Fibers. That is my next move is to approach them about 
such a solution but for
now we are running them separate. The Tac2 type of fiber has a Kevlar 
jacket which is used a lot in DOD.
If your Cat 6 Jumper is over 6' consider using Ground kit. We ground 
everything!


We also have a design to re-purpose the CMM4 enclosures using Dinrail 
and Packetflux




On 3/2/20 9:29 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
Do you have a solution for fiber+power to each radio?  We're looking 
at a few different options right now..


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:26 AM dave > wrote:


We have a few cmm5 in service and had absolutely no issues with
them and yes pricey for sure but havent went to a site for a cmm5
issue ever.
Cmm4 did what it was designed to do  and we still  have a couple
in service. If I had learned to ground them properly I would not
of had to replace any of them as with any
thing you put on a tower.
They were of course only 100baseT where CMM5 is GigE.
Ive been looking at chucks Gige APC gas tube surge arrestor for a
new project we have and looks like a good replacement for the
APC444HV version.

I liked the CMM4 for its Outdoor verison and classy nema box that
could be mounted on a tower but cmm5 there isnt any way to do such
unless the box is
3'x3'x12" which is lil too big for my taste at 150' on a tower.
We pay close attention to what the cellcos are doing with their
squid and power/fiber distribution.



On 2/27/20 3:32 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:

CMM5 is worse than the CMM4.

and yes the control board for the CMM5 is a Pi

-sean


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:44 PM Josh Baird mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Yes, the CMM4 was horrible.  We still have a few as well.

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

CMM Micro was pretty cool. We dropped the coin for a few
CMM4 (still have one NIB) and were sorely disappointed in
what a shitshow it was of cobbled components at crazy
high cost, half web interface, half CLI, and IIRC there
was java involved too. I wont even look at a CMM5

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 1:26 PM Josh Baird
mailto:joshba...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Was it the CMM5 that was basically a big metal box
with a tiny Raspberry Pi in it?

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:21 PM Sean Heskett
mailto:af...@zirkel.us>> wrote:

We use the PacketFlux rack injector - great
product and easy to use for lots of different
equipment types.

We ripped out all of our CMM5s because honestly
they are a PITA and a very clunky solution.

-Sean


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:09 AM Shayne Lebrun
mailto:sleb...@corebroadband.ca>> wrote:

What are the various options for providing
sync to a 3.65 450M?

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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Steve Jones]

Id open a ticket with cambium to see if it can be scripted. You need to mac
of each radio I think since the individual keys are generated from those.
If you get a solution that isnt manual make sure to update us on it. You
can be the first guy that needed a mass key update, and the coin you
dropped on them should justify some tier 3 support

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:51 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key
> upgrade for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200
> of them if i dont have too
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the
>> Lite APs?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's
>>> that are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need
>>> to take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them
>>> all.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  
The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a 
field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

 

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of 
results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because it 
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the 
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
patients

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
before eating an old baguette!

  If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.

bp On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s 
dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only 
thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the 
end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares 
about Spam and Vienna sausages.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part 
of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

 

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. 
most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable 
of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have 
the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood why 
people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like devout 
christians worying about end times and rapture.

   

  On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt 
right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same 
place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.  

Sent from my iPhone

 

  On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
 wrote:

   On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't 
do it at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, 
I know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.   


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   OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington 
Post after all), but sounds kind of science-y.

The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected 
for about six weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was 
reported this weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked 
through community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with 
hundreds of infections likely in the state. 


From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I have not seen 
news reports anything close to “we are all going to die”.

And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of 
people buying up all the Lysol and Purell.  I did buy a couple of the pump 
bottles of foaming hand soap we like, but the shelf was full.  News reports 
have said wash your hands and that it’s good advice for seasonal flu as well, I 
don’t think that’s doomsday advice.

Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Ken Hohhof]

You still have to activate the entitlements by serial number, don’t you?

 

If you enter the IP address when activating the entitlement, Cambium gives you 
a link and just clicking on the link (from an on-network PC) will install the 
key.  So I’m thinking the activation is more work than the installation.  
Unless you’ve found a way to mass activate entitlements.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

 

don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key upgrade 
for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200 of them if 
i dont have too

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the Lite 
APs?

 

 

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's that are 
connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to take from 
20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them all.

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Re: [AFMUG] 450m 365 sync

[Josh Baird]

So you aren't doing any fiber or DC distribution at the top?  You are just
running a separate strand of fiber and DC up the tower for each radio?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM dave  wrote:

> We do,
>  We are using #14x4 UV rated power wire and using TAC2 SM LC-LC Fiber for
> each radio. Each radio also gets Superior Essex Armor Cat6 BBDGE cable for
> Timing and POE in case of 5Ghz.
> U could get custom cables made from Best-tronics that have 4 wire#14 with
> a pair of Fibers. That is my next move is to approach them about such a
> solution but for
> now we are running them separate. The Tac2 type of fiber has a Kevlar
> jacket which is used a lot in DOD.
> If your Cat 6 Jumper is over 6' consider using Ground kit. We ground
> everything!
>
> We also have a design to re-purpose the CMM4 enclosures using Dinrail and
> Packetflux
>
>
>
> On 3/2/20 9:29 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Do you have a solution for fiber+power to each radio?  We're looking at a
> few different options right now..
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:26 AM dave  wrote:
>
>> We have a few cmm5 in service and had absolutely no issues with them and
>> yes pricey for sure but havent went to a site for a cmm5 issue ever.
>> Cmm4 did what it was designed to do  and we still  have a couple in
>> service. If I had learned to ground them properly I would not of had to
>> replace any of them as with any
>> thing you put on a tower.
>> They were of course only 100baseT where CMM5 is GigE.
>> Ive been looking at chucks Gige APC gas tube surge arrestor for a new
>> project we have and looks like a good replacement for the APC444HV version.
>>
>> I liked the CMM4 for its Outdoor verison and classy nema box that could
>> be mounted on a tower but cmm5 there isnt any way to do such unless the box
>> is
>> 3'x3'x12" which is lil too big for my taste at 150' on a tower.
>> We pay close attention to what the cellcos are doing with their squid and
>> power/fiber distribution.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/20 3:32 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> CMM5 is worse than the CMM4.
>>
>> and yes the control board for the CMM5 is a Pi
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:44 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the CMM4 was horrible.  We still have a few as well.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 CMM Micro was pretty cool. We dropped the coin for a few CMM4 (still
 have one NIB) and were sorely disappointed in what a shitshow it was of
 cobbled components at crazy high cost, half web interface, half CLI, and
 IIRC there was java involved too. I wont even look at a CMM5

 On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 1:26 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Was it the CMM5 that was basically a big metal box with a tiny
> Raspberry Pi in it?
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> We use the PacketFlux rack injector - great product and easy to use
>> for lots of different equipment types.
>>
>> We ripped out all of our CMM5s because honestly they are a PITA and a
>> very clunky solution.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:09 AM Shayne Lebrun <
>> sleb...@corebroadband.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> What are the various options for providing sync to a 3.65 450M?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Ken Hohhof]

Brilliant!

 

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  
The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a 
field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

 

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of 
results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because it 
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the 
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
patients

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.

bp

 

On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner.  
Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only thing in 
their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times, 
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares about Spam 
and Vienna sausages.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

 

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part of 
you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

 

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most of 
the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable of 
utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the 
best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood why people on 
the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians 
worying about end times and rapture.

 

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt right 
too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place 
at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.  

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

 On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it at 
home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know 
you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.   


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Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:


OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after all), 
but sounds kind of science-y.

The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six 
weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this 
weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through 
community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds 
of infections likely in the state. 


From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing.  I have not seen news reports 
anything close to “we are all going to die”.

And I just stopped at the grocery store, no signs at all of people buying up 
all the Lysol and Purell.  I did buy a couple of the pump bottles of foaming 
hand

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities
refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that
refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
anything.
they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago
beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody who
tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town
closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting the
hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than
seeking care.
Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
> out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
> that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough
> patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19
> before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part
> of you is rooting for it.
>
> Just a hypothesis.
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most
> of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable
> of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we
> have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
> why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
> devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
>  On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it
> at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after
> all), but sounds kind of science-y.
>
> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six
> weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this
> weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through
> community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with
> hundreds of infections likely in the state.
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Must be a Florida th

Re: [AFMUG] 450m 365 sync

[Eric Muehleisen]

We've had great results with Shireen's Hybrid cable. We've used it on a
bunch of Cambium 670 point to point installs. Planning on using it for our
3ghz 450M.

https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/dfp-1246-data-fiber-power-composite-cable

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM dave  wrote:

> We do,
>  We are using #14x4 UV rated power wire and using TAC2 SM LC-LC Fiber for
> each radio. Each radio also gets Superior Essex Armor Cat6 BBDGE cable for
> Timing and POE in case of 5Ghz.
> U could get custom cables made from Best-tronics that have 4 wire#14 with
> a pair of Fibers. That is my next move is to approach them about such a
> solution but for
> now we are running them separate. The Tac2 type of fiber has a Kevlar
> jacket which is used a lot in DOD.
> If your Cat 6 Jumper is over 6' consider using Ground kit. We ground
> everything!
>
> We also have a design to re-purpose the CMM4 enclosures using Dinrail and
> Packetflux
>
>
>
> On 3/2/20 9:29 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>
> Do you have a solution for fiber+power to each radio?  We're looking at a
> few different options right now..
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:26 AM dave  wrote:
>
>> We have a few cmm5 in service and had absolutely no issues with them and
>> yes pricey for sure but havent went to a site for a cmm5 issue ever.
>> Cmm4 did what it was designed to do  and we still  have a couple in
>> service. If I had learned to ground them properly I would not of had to
>> replace any of them as with any
>> thing you put on a tower.
>> They were of course only 100baseT where CMM5 is GigE.
>> Ive been looking at chucks Gige APC gas tube surge arrestor for a new
>> project we have and looks like a good replacement for the APC444HV version.
>>
>> I liked the CMM4 for its Outdoor verison and classy nema box that could
>> be mounted on a tower but cmm5 there isnt any way to do such unless the box
>> is
>> 3'x3'x12" which is lil too big for my taste at 150' on a tower.
>> We pay close attention to what the cellcos are doing with their squid and
>> power/fiber distribution.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/27/20 3:32 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>
>> CMM5 is worse than the CMM4.
>>
>> and yes the control board for the CMM5 is a Pi
>>
>> -sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:44 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, the CMM4 was horrible.  We still have a few as well.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 CMM Micro was pretty cool. We dropped the coin for a few CMM4 (still
 have one NIB) and were sorely disappointed in what a shitshow it was of
 cobbled components at crazy high cost, half web interface, half CLI, and
 IIRC there was java involved too. I wont even look at a CMM5

 On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 1:26 PM Josh Baird  wrote:

> Was it the CMM5 that was basically a big metal box with a tiny
> Raspberry Pi in it?
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>
>> We use the PacketFlux rack injector - great product and easy to use
>> for lots of different equipment types.
>>
>> We ripped out all of our CMM5s because honestly they are a PITA and a
>> very clunky solution.
>>
>> -Sean
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:09 AM Shayne Lebrun <
>> sleb...@corebroadband.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> What are the various options for providing sync to a 3.65 450M?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this
is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people
going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats
since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Brilliant!
>
>
>
> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
> out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
> that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough
> patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19
> before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part
> of you is rooting for it.
>
> Just a hypothesis.
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most
> of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable
> of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we
> have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
> why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
> devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
>  On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it
> at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after
> all), but sounds kind of science-y.
>
> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six
> weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this
> weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through
> community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with
> hundreds of infec

Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Kurt Fankhauser]

i just submitted a ticket through support with cambium, we will see what
they come back with

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:04 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> You still have to activate the entitlements by serial number, don’t you?
>
>
>
> If you enter the IP address when activating the entitlement, Cambium gives
> you a link and just clicking on the link (from an on-network PC) will
> install the key.  So I’m thinking the activation is more work than the
> installation.  Unless you’ve found a way to mass activate entitlements.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:50 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade
>
>
>
> don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key
> upgrade for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200
> of them if i dont have too
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the
> Lite APs?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's that
> are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to
> take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them
> all.
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Re: [AFMUG] 450m 365 sync

[Steve Jones]

Thats pretty sweet.
We are looking for a 4 cable cat 5/6 due to some restrictions on one of our
mutli site landlords

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:13 AM Eric Muehleisen  wrote:

> We've had great results with Shireen's Hybrid cable. We've used it on a
> bunch of Cambium 670 point to point installs. Planning on using it for our
> 3ghz 450M.
>
> https://www.shireeninc.com/osc/dfp-1246-data-fiber-power-composite-cable
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM dave  wrote:
>
>> We do,
>>  We are using #14x4 UV rated power wire and using TAC2 SM LC-LC Fiber for
>> each radio. Each radio also gets Superior Essex Armor Cat6 BBDGE cable for
>> Timing and POE in case of 5Ghz.
>> U could get custom cables made from Best-tronics that have 4 wire#14 with
>> a pair of Fibers. That is my next move is to approach them about such a
>> solution but for
>> now we are running them separate. The Tac2 type of fiber has a Kevlar
>> jacket which is used a lot in DOD.
>> If your Cat 6 Jumper is over 6' consider using Ground kit. We ground
>> everything!
>>
>> We also have a design to re-purpose the CMM4 enclosures using Dinrail and
>> Packetflux
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/20 9:29 AM, Josh Baird wrote:
>>
>> Do you have a solution for fiber+power to each radio?  We're looking at a
>> few different options right now..
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:26 AM dave  wrote:
>>
>>> We have a few cmm5 in service and had absolutely no issues with them and
>>> yes pricey for sure but havent went to a site for a cmm5 issue ever.
>>> Cmm4 did what it was designed to do  and we still  have a couple in
>>> service. If I had learned to ground them properly I would not of had to
>>> replace any of them as with any
>>> thing you put on a tower.
>>> They were of course only 100baseT where CMM5 is GigE.
>>> Ive been looking at chucks Gige APC gas tube surge arrestor for a new
>>> project we have and looks like a good replacement for the APC444HV version.
>>>
>>> I liked the CMM4 for its Outdoor verison and classy nema box that could
>>> be mounted on a tower but cmm5 there isnt any way to do such unless the box
>>> is
>>> 3'x3'x12" which is lil too big for my taste at 150' on a tower.
>>> We pay close attention to what the cellcos are doing with their squid
>>> and power/fiber distribution.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/27/20 3:32 PM, Sean Heskett wrote:
>>>
>>> CMM5 is worse than the CMM4.
>>>
>>> and yes the control board for the CMM5 is a Pi
>>>
>>> -sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 12:44 PM Josh Baird  wrote:
>>>
 Yes, the CMM4 was horrible.  We still have a few as well.

 On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:38 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> CMM Micro was pretty cool. We dropped the coin for a few CMM4 (still
> have one NIB) and were sorely disappointed in what a shitshow it was of
> cobbled components at crazy high cost, half web interface, half CLI, and
> IIRC there was java involved too. I wont even look at a CMM5
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 1:26 PM Josh Baird 
> wrote:
>
>> Was it the CMM5 that was basically a big metal box with a tiny
>> Raspberry Pi in it?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:21 PM Sean Heskett  wrote:
>>
>>> We use the PacketFlux rack injector - great product and easy to use
>>> for lots of different equipment types.
>>>
>>> We ripped out all of our CMM5s because honestly they are a PITA and
>>> a very clunky solution.
>>>
>>> -Sean
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:09 AM Shayne Lebrun <
>>> sleb...@corebroadband.ca> wrote:
>>>
 What are the various options for providing sync to a 3.65 450M?
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Carl Peterson]

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
It doesn't belong here.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>
> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
> executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats
> since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Brilliant!
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
>> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
>> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
>> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
>> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
>> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
>> out!
>>
>>
>>
>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
>> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
>> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
>> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
>> that facility.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>> enough patients
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>
>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
>> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
>> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
>> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
>> part of you is rooting for it.
>>
>> Just a hypothesis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
>> most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
>> capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
>> understood why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a
>> lot like devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
>> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
>> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it
>> at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
>> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (i

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Adam Moffett]

This is a new disease, but diseases aren't a new problem and we know 
pretty well what to do about them.


People were very impressed about China slapping up a hospital in 6 days, 
but it was just prefab buildings on a slab.


Fun timelapse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53nhErXUd9A 



The Army Corps of Engineers can do that too.  It won't look the same as 
the Chinese one, but it will be a temporary rapid deployment building.


In the 1918 pandemic they took over schools, gymnasiums, large private 
houses, etc.  They also put a lot of patients into "open air 
hospitals".  AKA tents.


Article from NIH about 1918:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504358/

A fun quote from above article:

"""Early in October 1918, a delegate from a health department in the US 
Midwest went east to find out how best to combat the infection. 
Officials there offered the following advice:


   When you get back home, hunt up your wood-workers and cabinet-makers
   and set them to making coffins. Then take your street laborers and
   set them to digging graves. If you do this you will not have your
   dead accumulating faster than you can dispose of them.^12
    ^(p787)

This was not meant to cause undue alarm; it was merely a practical 
solution to a problem that had to be addressed once the pandemic arrived."""




On 3/2/2020 11:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t 
stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane 
is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating 
capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard 
against is infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so 
they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing 
home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as 
a precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
the end.

bp



On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
understood why people on the right get very nervous about
these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
end times and rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
guys.  He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex
Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place
at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get
us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Adam Moffett]

or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that 
stuff.


On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by 
localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any 
place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal 
funding for anything.

they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like 
chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and 
shooting anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it 
gets boogity, every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media 
has their way with getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from 
people fanning out rather than seeking care.

Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was
saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. 
The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 
25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they
had been to that facility.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
hasten the end.

bp



  


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing
primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and
training. so i never understood why people on the
right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
devout christians worying about end times and rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
guys.  He is very alt right too. He might be Alex
Jones... I have never seen them both at the same
place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is
gonna get us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

 On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant
and rave here.  Can't do it at home, wife just
rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Matt Hoppes]

China didn't make a hospital in 6 days, they made a concentration camp. 
 A place for folks to go to die.   There was limited medical care 
there just large open areas where people who were infected went to 
continually infect each other.


On 3/2/20 11:19 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
This is a new disease, but diseases aren't a new problem and we know 
pretty well what to do about them.


People were very impressed about China slapping up a hospital in 6 days, 
but it was just prefab buildings on a slab.


Fun timelapse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53nhErXUd9A 



The Army Corps of Engineers can do that too.  It won't look the same as 
the Chinese one, but it will be a temporary rapid deployment building.


In the 1918 pandemic they took over schools, gymnasiums, large private 
houses, etc.  They also put a lot of patients into "open air 
hospitals".  AKA tents.


Article from NIH about 1918:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504358/

A fun quote from above article:

"""Early in October 1918, a delegate from a health department in the US 
Midwest went east to find out how best to combat the infection. 
Officials there offered the following advice:


When you get back home, hunt up your wood-workers and cabinet-makers
and set them to making coffins. Then take your street laborers and
set them to digging graves. If you do this you will not have your
dead accumulating faster than you can dispose of them.^12
 ^(p787)

This was not meant to cause undue alarm; it was merely a practical 
solution to a problem that had to be addressed once the pandemic arrived."""




On 3/2/2020 11:00 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t 
stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane 
is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating 
capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard 
against is infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so 
they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing 
home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as 
a precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
the end.

bp



On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
understood why people on the right get very nervous about
these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
end times and rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
guys.  He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
It is not exactly a "new disease". It is a new mutation of an old
  virus. The common cold, SARS, and MERS are all variants of corona
  virus. The family of corona viruses mutate all the time.
Excuse me while I cough into my elbow.


bp



On 3/2/2020 8:19 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  This is a new disease, but diseases aren't a new problem and we
know pretty well what to do about them.  
  
  People were very impressed about China slapping up a hospital
in 6 days, but it was just prefab buildings on a slab.  
  
  Fun timelapse:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53nhErXUd9A
  The Army Corps of Engineers can do that too.  It won't look the
same as the Chinese one, but it will be a temporary rapid
deployment building. 
  
  In the 1918 pandemic they took over schools, gymnasiums, large
private houses, etc.  They also put a lot of patients into "open
air hospitals".  AKA tents.
  Article from NIH about 1918:
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4504358/
  A fun quote from above article:
  
  """Early in October
1918, a delegate from a health department in the US Midwest went
east to find out how best to combat the infection. Officials
there offered the following advice:
  
When you get back
  home, hunt up your wood-workers and cabinet-makers and set
  them to making coffins. Then take your street laborers and set
  them to digging graves. If you do this you will not have your
  dead accumulating faster than you can dispose of them.12(p787)
  
  This was not meant to cause undue alarm; it was merely
a practical solution to a problem that had to be addressed once
the pandemic arrived."""
  
  
  
  
  On 3/2/2020 11:00 AM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
  
  




  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for
the first time I heard the term “surge capacity” applied to
hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare industry has
made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up
more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH. 
Time for a bug out!
   
  I did a quick Google search for “hospital
surge capacity” and the first page of results were mostly
studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because it
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. 
With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against
is infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so
they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with
that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
that facility.
   
   
  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
   
  
Chinas closing their first hospital
  they built since they dont have enough patients
  
   
  

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill
Prince 
wrote:


  
Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
  rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old
  baguette!
If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD
  and hasten the end.
bp

 

  On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:


  
Well,
  the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
  for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2
  hour old baguettes.  Probably the only thing in
  their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least
  if these are the end times, they have cigarettes
  and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares
  about Spam and Vienna sausages.
 

  
From:
  AF 
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Matt Hoppes]

Agreed.

We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke 
out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.


Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... 
finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to 
our nations, that are now infected.


How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix 
the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other 
countries who would then be the route to the US?


We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, 
and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the 
town.   Work from home.


Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get 
bad before we do something?


Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has 
gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after 
that horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get 
through.




On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that 
stuff.


On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by 
localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any 
place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal 
funding for anything.

they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like 
chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and 
shooting anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it 
gets boogity, every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media 
has their way with getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from 
people fanning out rather than seeking care.

Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was
saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. 
The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly

creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 
25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they

had been to that facility.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
hasten the end.

bp



  


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing
primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
boogity, 

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Jaime Solorza]

You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM  wrote:

> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would suggest 4 months.
> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is falling
> thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Adam Moffett]

Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you 
complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  
I don't get it.



On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Agreed.

We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first 
broke out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.


Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... 
finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel 
to our nations, that are now infected.


How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would 
fix the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in 
other countries who would then be the route to the US?


We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, 
and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the 
town.   Work from home.


Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get 
bad before we do something?


Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has 
gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after 
that horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get 
through.




On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all 
that stuff.


On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by 
localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. 
Any place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of 
federal funding for anything.

they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like 
chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and 
shooting anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it 
gets boogity, every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the 
media has their way with getting the hype up, the spread will be 
crazy from people fanning out rather than seeking care.

Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


    Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
    the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
    saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
    way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
    there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
    ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. 
    The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
    creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug 
out!


    I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
    first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
    hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
    pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
    suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
    staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
    to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 
    25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they

    had been to that facility.

    *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

    Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
    have enough patients

    On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
    from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
    hasten the end.

    bp

    


    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

    Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
    for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
    baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
    cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
    times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
    end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

    *From:* AF 
     *On Behalf Of *Adam 
Moffett

    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
    *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

    You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
    preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

    Just a hypothesis.

    On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

    i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
    most prepared. mos

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Jaime Solorza]

trying to remember which comedian said on a talk show, " in the end, its
all the little nasties that will do us in.".  Like European invaders did to
our indigenous nations 
karma is a bitch
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 4:53 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> There are only a few things we know for sure.
>
> 1. It is already in the US
> 2. More people in the US will get it
> 3. More people in the US will die.
>
> Anything other than this is pure speculation at this point.  We don't know
> anything about this virus.  Most everything I hear or read about this virus
> starts off with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".  But if you
> bother to listen or read the article, it always has "may" or "some
> experts".  The current official incubation period is 2-14 days, but hey
> lets just report 14 days and base all our models on this and report it as
> the most likely scenario.  We don't know how long it lives on surfaces.  We
> don't know how it reacts to UV light.  We don't know how it will do in
> warm/humid conditions.
>
> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),  This virus has been in the
> states before the first reported case.  People have had it and recovered
> thinking it was just the flu. Not everyone exposed is going to get it.  Not
> everyone who gets it is going to need to be hospitalized.  Not everyone who
> gets hospitalized will die.
>
> The media once again is doing us a huge dis-service. They are hyping this
> thing  way out of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart yesterday. Every can of
> Lysol or Lysol type of product was gone.  Every package of disinfectant
> wipes were gone.  Every bottle of any sized hand sanitizer, gone.  Crazy.
> The closest reported "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away.  God forbid we
> get a reported case in Florida, what will happen then?  Going to start
> burning and looting?
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV or any podcasts or blogs. I
> do pay attention to as much scientifically-based information I can find
> though.
> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current knowledge without any spin:
>
> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
>
> Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist.  Therefore Bernie is a
> Nazi.  So the Internet says.
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the nazis last time... russia is
> in asia, so russians are asians. Taking them out of the running too
> Weve said too much
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This is obviously genetically
> designed to target Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections are asians.
> Obviously this is the resurgence of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a
> majority of the population so they can initiate another run at global
> domination. My neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, carols husband
> Brad told her that he heard that this is what brexit was all about. Germany
> and Great Britian are forming an alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there
> is a shadow government of guess what... Nazis.
>
> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
> You mean.Nazi's created Coronavirus?
>
> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
> > I'm waiting for Godwin...
> >
> >
> > bp
> > 
> >
> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a
> >> "conspiracy".
> >>
> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the
> >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim
> >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch
> >> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they
> >> won't let go of them.
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to distract press from Hong Kong
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to defeat China in a trade war
> >>
> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I
> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.right?)
> >>
> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must all stock our survival bunkers.
> >>
> >> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus.  Really? Or
> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all
> >> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time
> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Faceboo

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

26,070.31 +660.95 (2.60%)
Remember, I said 700 today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM  wrote:
>
>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would suggest 4
>> months.
>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is falling
>> thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
>> --
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>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
people in a quarantine have the choice?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
> It doesn't belong here.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
>> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>
>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
>> executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats
>> since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Brilliant!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>>>
>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>>
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
>>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
>>> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
>>> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
>>> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
>>> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
>>> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
>>> out!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
>>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
>>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
>>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
>>> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
>>> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
>>> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
>>> that facility.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>>> enough patients
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>>
>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>>
>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>>>
>>> bp
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>
>>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
>>> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
>>> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
>>> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
>>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
>>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
>>> part of you is rooting for it.
>>>
>>> Just a hypothesis.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
>>> most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
>>> capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
>>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
>>> understood why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a
>>> lot like devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>>
>>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
>>> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
>>> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Calm and rational response was to utilize the identified facilities. now
the communities are saying they cant be used, not in our town (out of
california no less, rotflmao) not very welcoming. These systems have been
in play for decades.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:20 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that
> stuff.
> On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities
> refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that
> refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
> anything.
> they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
> There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago
> beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody who
> tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town
> closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting the
> hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than
> seeking care.
> Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
>> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
>> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
>> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
>> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
>> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
>> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
>> out!
>>
>>
>>
>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
>> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
>> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
>> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
>> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
>> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
>> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
>> that facility.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
>> enough patients
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
>> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>>
>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
>> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
>> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
>> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
>> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
>> part of you is rooting for it.
>>
>> Just a hypothesis.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
>> most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
>> capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
>> understood why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a
>> lot like devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>>
>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
>> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
>> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it
>> at home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
>> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>>
>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after
>> all), 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Adam Moffett]

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic 
outcome.



On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it 
would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team 
Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in 
nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting 
people in a quarantine have the choice?


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:


Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some
right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems
to me if this is as infectious as the media would like you to
believe that having people going door to door in communities
wouldnt be such a great idea.

If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on
the current executive, they may have to accept the
consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their
seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem
solved.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I
heard the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. 
Person was saying US healthcare industry has made
hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open
up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH. 
Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity”
and the first page of results were mostly studies after
Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because it closes down
hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so
they get quarantined. This appears to be happening with
that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been
to that facility.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they
dont have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD
and hasten the end.

bp



On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even
stock food for tonight’s dinner.  Because who
wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the
only thing in their pantry is cigarettes and
wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
end.  Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On
Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Coron

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Carl Peterson]

It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome,
ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist right wing
BS off this list.

"If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>> It doesn't belong here.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
>>> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
>>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>>
>>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
>>> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
>>> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
>>> plagues decimate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Brilliant!



 Maybe send them via cruise ship.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.



 *From:* Ken Hohhof

 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
 term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
 healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
 for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
 Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
 where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
 approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
 for a bug out!



 I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
 page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
 because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
 With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
 all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
 appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
 that facility.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
 enough patients



 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

 Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
 COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

 If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
 end.

 bp

 



 On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
 dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
 thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
 the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
 cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
 Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
 part of you is rooting for it.

 Just a hypothesis.



 On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

 i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
 most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
 capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

It does seem like it would please some of them.  
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic outcome. 
 




On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

  Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
  how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing 
out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a 
quarantine have the choice?

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and 
pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.  It 
doesn't belong here.  

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if 
this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people 
going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 

  If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Brilliant!



Maybe send them via cruise ship.





From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for 
zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s 
hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where 
outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to 
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With 
the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from 
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

  If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the 
end.

bp On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for 
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the 
only thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are 
the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who 
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  
Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.



On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

  i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most 
prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the 
most capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes 
boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never 
understood why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot 
like devout christians worying about end times and rapture.



  On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCow

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Its obvious they want an outcome they can use against the executive. Theyre
not known for looking before they leap.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:56 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
> outcome.
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>> It doesn't belong here.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
>>> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
>>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>>
>>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
>>> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
>>> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
>>> plagues decimate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Brilliant!



 Maybe send them via cruise ship.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.



 *From:* Ken Hohhof

 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
 term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
 healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
 for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
 Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
 where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
 approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
 for a bug out!



 I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
 page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
 because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
 With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
 all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
 appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
 that facility.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
 enough patients



 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

 Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
 COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

 If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
 end.

 bp

 



 On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
 dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
 thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
 the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
 cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
 Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
 *To:* af@af.afmug.com
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some
 part of you is rooting for it.

 Just a hypothesis.



 On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

 i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
 most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most
 capable of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
 boogity, we have the best firepower and ammuni

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

I think this topic has \lent

but anybody watching this:
Market Summary

 > Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow
26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  wrote:

> It does seem like it would please some of them.
> But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
>
> *From:* Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
> outcome.
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>> It doesn't belong here.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
>>> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
>>> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>>>
>>> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
>>> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
>>> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
>>> plagues decimate.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Brilliant!



 Maybe send them via cruise ship.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.



 *From:* Ken Hohhof

 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

 *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
 term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
 healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
 for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
 Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
 where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
 approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
 for a bug out!



 I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
 page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
 because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
 With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
 all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
 appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
 that facility.





 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



 Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
 enough patients



 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

 Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
 COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

 If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
 end.

 bp

 



 On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

 Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
 dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
 thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
 the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
 cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



 *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
 *S

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

So much money being made today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> 26,070.31 +660.95 (2.60%)
> Remember, I said 700 today
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM  wrote:
>>
>>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would suggest 4
>>> months.
>>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is falling
>>> thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steven Kenney]

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks. 

Uhh hello? The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 6 month 
supply of masks in storage ready for such an event? What the heck? 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Ken Hohhof"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 



Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The 
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out! 



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of 
results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it 
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the 
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears to be 
happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are 
now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility. 





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 




Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
patients 





On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince < [ mailto:part15...@gmail.com | 
part15...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 





Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
before eating an old baguette! 

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end. 
bp 
 


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner. 
Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes. Probably the only thing in their 
pantry is cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end times, they 
have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who cares about Spam and 
Vienna sausages. 




From: AF [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com |  ] On 
Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 




You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. Some part of 
you is rooting for it. 

Just a hypothesis. 




On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most of 
the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable of 
utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the 
best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood why people on 
the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like devout christians 
worying about end times and rapture. 





On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | 
ch...@wbmfg.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. He is very alt right 
too. He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place at 
the same time. He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all. 


Sent from my iPhone 



BQ_BEGIN


On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies < [ 
mailto:m...@mailmt.com | m...@mailmt.com ] > wrote: 



BQ_BEGIN



On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant and rave here. Can't do it at home, 
wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. Chuck, I know you are 
saving me a few $ in therapy. So, Thank You. 


-- 
Best regards, 
Mark [ mailto:m...@mailmt.com | mailto:m...@mailmt.com ] 

Myakka Technologies, Inc. 
[ http://www.myakka.com/ | www.Myakka.com ] 

-- 

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:   

OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after all), 
but sounds kind of science-y. 

The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six 
weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this 
weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through 
community transmission and that this has been going on for weeks, with hundreds 
of infections likely in the state. 


From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM 
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. I have not seen news reports 
anything close to “we are all 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steven Kenney]

Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic. 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

I think this topic has \lent 
but anybody watching this: 
[ 
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 | Market Summary ] > Dow Jones Industrial Average 
INDEXDJX: .DJI 
Follow 
26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%) 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] 
> wrote: 



It does seem like it would please some of them. 
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right? 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 


Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic outcome. 



On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like chicago? 
just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing out, 
literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a quarantine 
have the choice? 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS! It is insulting and pretty 
disgusting. Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list. It doesn't 
belong here. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this is 
as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people going 
door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Brilliant! 



Maybe send them via cruise ship. 






From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 





We could just send anyone with this bug to China. Problem solved. 





From: Ken Hohhof 


Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM 


To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 





Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The 
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out! 



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of 
results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it 
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the 
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears to be 
happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are 
now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility. 





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 




Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
patients 





On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
before eating an old baguette! 

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end. 
bp 
 


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s dinner. 
Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes. Probably the only thing in their 
pantry is cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end times, they 
have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. Who cares about Spam and 
Vienna sausages. 




From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMU

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work.
Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the
population, half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses,
which means theyre trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not
going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and
not beards

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> I think this topic has \lent
> but anybody watching this:
> Market Summary
> 
>  > Dow Jones Industrial Average
> INDEXDJX: .DJI
> Follow
> 26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%)
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  wrote:
>
>> It does seem like it would please some of them.
>> But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
>> outcome.
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
>> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
>> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
>> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
>> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
>> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>>> It doesn't belong here.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
 this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
 people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

 If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
 current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
 rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
 plagues decimate.

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Brilliant!
>
>
>
> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
> for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
> Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
> where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
> approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
> for a bug out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is
> worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
> capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution
> because they had been to that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> China

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say
  if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that
  masks don't really keep the virus out, but they can help in
  keeping the virus in.


bp



On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney
  wrote:


  
  

  
Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.  


Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world
  doesn't have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for
  such an event?  What the heck?


-- 
  Steven Kenney
  Network Operations Manager
  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)



From: "Ken Hohhof"
  
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu




  
Maybe they can send it to us.  Today
  for the first time I heard the term “surge capacity”
  applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
  industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
  airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
  there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s
  looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
  outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their
  modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital. 
  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
 
I did a quick Google search for
  “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of results
  were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
  because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies,
  eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect
  we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
  staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
  appears to be happening with that nursing home in
  Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined
  as a precaution because they had been to that facility.
 
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steve
  Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
 

  Chinas closing their first hospital
they built since they dont have enough patients

 

  
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill
  Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old
baguette!
  If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my
COPD and hasten the end.
  bp
  
   
  
On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:
  
  

  Well, the French are screwed,
they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their
pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if
these are the end times, they have cigarettes
and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares
about Spam and Vienna sausages.
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

  
   
  You need the disaster to occur to justify all
your preparation.  Some part of you is rooting
for it.
  Just a hypothesis.
   
  
On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve
  Jones wrote:
  
  

  i never understood it, on
the right, we tend to be the most prepared.
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

Thats something I always wondered about, the high incidence of healthcare
infections over there. If youre continually being exposed to the virus,
does that keep your viral load higher?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you
> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't
> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>
> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>
> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 6
> month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof"  
> *To: *"af"  
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
> out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
> that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough
> patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19
> before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part
> of you is rooting for it.
>
> Just a hypothesis.
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most
> of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable
> of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we
> have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
> why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
> devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
> On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it at
> home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after
> all), but sounds kind of science-y.
>
> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six
> weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this
> weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through
> community transmission and that this has been going on for we

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If someone infect near you is coughing and not covering some way
  (with a mask or coughing into your sleeve), the droplets can
  transfer to you through your tear ducts (eyes). I don't think
  there's enough information to quantify how many virus particles
  you need to be in danger.

bp



On 3/2/2020 9:30 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
  Thats something I always wondered about, the high
incidence of healthcare infections over there. If youre
continually being exposed to the virus, does that keep your
viral load higher?
  
  
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:28
  AM Bill Prince  wrote:


  
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH,
  they say if you ARE infected that you should wear a mask.
  The idea is that masks don't really keep the virus out,
  but they can help in keeping the virus in.


bp



On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:


  
 
Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.  


Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the
  world doesn't have a 6 month supply of masks in
  storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?


-- 
  Steven Kenney
  Network Operations Manager
  WaveDirect Telecommunications
  http://www.wavedirect.net
  (519)737-WAVE (9283)



From: "Ken Hohhof" 
  To: "af" 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu




  
Maybe they can send it to us. 
  Today for the first time I heard the term “surge
  capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was
  saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals
  efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty
  beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
  capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways
  to open up more facilities in areas where
  outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with
  their modular approach to quickly creating a field
  hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
  out!
 
I did a quick Google search for
  “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of
  results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
  hurricane is worse because it closes down
  hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. 
  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to
  guard against is infecting all the hospital staff
  and first responders so they get quarantined. 
  This appears to be happening with that nursing
  home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are
  now quarantined as a precaution because they had
  been to that facility.
 
 
From: AF 
  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
 

  Chinas closing their first
hospital they built since they dont have enough
patients

 

  
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42
  AM Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I
would rather die from COVID-19 before eating
an old baguette!
  If I smoke another cigarette, I can
aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
  bp
  
   
  
On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM,
  Ken Hohhof wrote:
  
 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Adam Moffett]

I'd imagine "the left" suspects the chief executive will fail to 
organize a proper response.  They would probably feel smug if they're 
proven right.  I haven't seen such expectations from "the left", but I 
can certainly imagine what they look like.


Meanwhile "the right" nurses zombie apocalypse fantasies. They'll save 
the country by shooting all the infected or something.


Steve has now convinced me to buy more ammo.  Not because I'm worried 
about the horde of people fleeing a quarantine, but I am now worried 
about how I'd face a group of vigilante Steves.




On 3/2/2020 11:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It does seem like it would please some of them.
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic 
outcome.


On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it 
would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team 
Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area 
like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a 
nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine 
with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:


Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some
right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
 wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems
to me if this is as infectious as the media would like you to
believe that having people going door to door in communities
wouldnt be such a great idea.
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on
the current executive, they may have to accept the
consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their
seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China. 
Problem solved.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I
heard the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital
beds.  Person was saying US healthcare industry has made
hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open
up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH. 
Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity”
and the first page of results were mostly studies after
Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it closes down
hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so
they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with
that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because
they had been to that facility.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they
dont have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince
 wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD
and hasten the end.

bp



On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even
stock food for tonight’s dinner. Because who
wants to eat

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Mathew Howard]

Which is another reason to tell people not to buy masks... if healthy
people are buying up all the masks, which are doing them little or not
good, and there aren't any left for the people that are infected to wear,
that isn't exactly ideal.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:28 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you
> ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't
> really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
>
> Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.
>
> Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 6
> month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Ken Hohhof"  
> *To: *"af"  
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term
> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s
> hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where
> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
> to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
> out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first
> page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse
> because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.
> With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting
> all the hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
> appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
> that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough
> patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19
> before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
> cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Adam Moffett
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part
> of you is rooting for it.
>
> Just a hypothesis.
>
>
>
> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most prepared. most
> of the die hard preppers are right minded. we tend to be the most capable
> of utilizing primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we
> have the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
> why people on the right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
> devout christians worying about end times and rapture.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys.  He is very alt
> right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I have never seen them both at the
> same place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
> On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave here.  Can't do it at
> home, wife just rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
> know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:
>
> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from Washington Post after
> all), but sounds kind of science-y.
>
> The novel coronavirus has probably been spreading undetected for about six
> weeks in Washington state, where the first U.S. death was reported this
> weekend. A genetic analysis suggests that the cases are linked through
> commu

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steven Kenney]

No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared! 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work. Thats 
an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the population, 
half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses, which means theyre 
trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not going to shave, dont even 
bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and not beards 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic. 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
[ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones" < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

I think this topic has \lent 
but anybody watching this: 
[ 
https://www.google.com/search?q=finance&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS887US887&oq=dow+jo&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j69i57j0l6.3975j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&stick=H4sIAOPQeMSozC3w8sc9YSmpSWtOXmMU4RJyy8xLzEtO9UnMS8nMSw9ITE_lAQCCiJIYKA&tbm=fin&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQmZTAovznAhUTCjQIHfucDiAQ6M8CMAB6BAhAEAI&sxsrf=ALeKk02NB20xnoAVtEGZ3O3rXmLIN6CAsA:1583168566404
 | Market Summary ] > Dow Jones Industrial Average 
INDEXDJX: .DJI 
Follow 
26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%) 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] 
> wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

It does seem like it would please some of them. 
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right? 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 


Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic outcome. 



On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like chicago? 
just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing out, 
literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a quarantine 
have the choice? 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson < [ 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com | cpeter...@portnetworks.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS! It is insulting and pretty 
disgusting. Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list. It doesn't 
belong here. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones < [ 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this is 
as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people going 
door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | 
af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN



Brilliant! 



Maybe send them via cruise ship. 






From: AF < [ mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com | af-boun...@af.afmug.com ] > On 
Behalf Of [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | 
af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 





We could just send anyone with this bug to China. Problem solved. 





From: Ken Hohhof 


Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM 


To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 


Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 





Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard the term “surge 
capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was saying US healthcare industry 
has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, 
with the result that there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s 
looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The 
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out! 



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page of 
results were mostly studies after Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it 
closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the 
coronavirus what I suspe

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Mathew Howard]

MUM Europe was cancelled, it looks like USA and Mexico are still scheduled
for mid-April.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> I think this topic has \lent
> but anybody watching this:
> Market Summary
> 
>  > Dow Jones Industrial Average
> INDEXDJX: .DJI
> Follow
> 26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%)
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  wrote:
>
>> It does seem like it would please some of them.
>> But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
>> outcome.
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
>> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
>> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
>> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
>> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
>> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>>> It doesn't belong here.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
 this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
 people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

 If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
 current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
 rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
 plagues decimate.

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Brilliant!
>
>
>
> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
> for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
> Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
> where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
> approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
> for a bug out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is
> worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
> capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution
> because they had been to that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
> enough patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

i.e. when martial law works.   This is with _total_ quarantine.   Key 
cards that go to the police department computers for access to 
buildings.  NO ONE on streets without masks gloves and goggles.  What 
chance is there to implement that in our country of rabid independantism..




On 03/02/2020 08:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Looks to me like things are already on the mend in China.
If these were graphs of people disconnecting from your network due to 
being unhappy with your service you would be encouraged.

image
image
*From:* Ken Hohhof
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:08 AM
*To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.

*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
“surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid 
with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  
Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  
With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in 
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
end.

bp



On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. 
Some part of you is rooting for it.


Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most
prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we
tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal tools and
food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the best
firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
why people on the right get very nervous about these things.
a lot like devout christians worying about end times and
rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
 wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. 
He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I

have never seen them both at the same place at the same
time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies  wrote:

 On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and
rave here.  Can't do it at home, wife just rolls
eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I
know you are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So,
Thank You.


--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com 

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If you're wanting to bail, it might help to know a country.

  Can you
  name a country? Any country?
  


bp



On 3/2/2020 9:35 AM, Adam Moffett
  wrote:


  
  I'd imagine "the left" suspects the chief executive will fail
to organize a proper response.  They would probably feel smug if
they're proven right.  I haven't seen such expectations from
"the left", but I can certainly imagine what they look like.
  
  Meanwhile "the right" nurses zombie apocalypse fantasies. 
They'll save the country by shooting all the infected or
something.
  Steve has now convinced me to buy more ammo.  Not because I'm
worried about the horde of people fleeing a quarantine, but I am
now worried about how I'd face a group of vigilante Steves.
  
  
  
  
  
  On 3/2/2020 11:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  
  


  
It does seem like it would please some of them.  
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?

  
 

  From: Adam
  Moffett 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

  
   


  Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left"
wants a tragic outcome.  
  
   
  On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve
Jones wrote:
  
  
Its extremist to not buy into the hype,
  its extremist to know what it would actually take to
  contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
  how would you stop people from flooding out of a
major urban area like chicago? just politely ask
them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing
out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine
with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?

 

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020
at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:
  
  

  Jesus Christ Steve, could you
please drop this BS!  It is insulting and pretty
disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some
right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here. 
  
   
  
On Mon, Mar 2,
  2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  a serious question, are they
going to delay the census? Seems to me if
this is as infectious as the media would
like you to believe that having people going
door to door in communities wouldnt be such
a great idea.
 
If the left gets what they want, a
  tragic outcome to blame on the current
  executive, they may have to accept the
  consequence, less house of rep seats since
  they get their seats from cities, and
  cities is what plagues decimate.
  
   
  
On Mon,
  Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof 
  wrote:


  

  Brilliant!
   
  Maybe send them
via cruise ship.
   
   
  

  From:
AF 
On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2,
2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group 
  

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

Um, we brought them back into here with the virus while the CDC was 
speculating about the parameters of the disease.  Now it could have been 
to examine the disease first hand in a gen-pop but it didn't sound that 
well done, with unprotected people in contact with the exposed.  Now it 
just sounds like grandstanding with the population.   The interesting 
part is we still don't really have a handle on all the aspects of this.




On 03/02/2020 08:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Agreed.

We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke 
out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.


Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... 
finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to 
our nations, that are now infected.


How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix 
the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other 
countries who would then be the route to the US?


We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, 
and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the 
town.   Work from home.


Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get 
bad before we do something?


Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has 
gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after 
that horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get 
through.




On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all 
that stuff.


On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by 
localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any 
place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal 
funding for anything.

they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like 
chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and 
shooting anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it 
gets boogity, every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media 
has their way with getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from 
people fanning out rather than seeking care.

Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was
saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. 
The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly

creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 
25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they

had been to that facility.

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
hasten the end.

bp




On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur t

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Robert Andrews]

Look at what happened to the market before the great depression, there 
was a month of up and downs while the market was being propped/played 
before the floor fell out.   Historically the market has always had a 
major crash withing the first two decades of each century 
1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major moves is where all the 
real money is made.  Way more than steady growth.


On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

So much money being made today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
Remember, I said 700 today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> wrote:

You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
suggest 4 months.
But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is
falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

This country is based upon making the most profit with the least 
investment.   Stockpiling is reserved for subsidies for farmers and 
other voting blocs


On 03/02/2020 09:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 
6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
“surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid 
with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  
Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  
With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in 
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
end.

bp



  


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. 
Some part of you is rooting for it.


Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most
prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we
tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal tools and
food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the best
firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
why people on the right get very nervous about these things.
a lot like devout christians worying about end times and
rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. 
He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I

have never seen them both at the same place at the same
time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave
here.  Can't do it at home, wife just rolls eyes and
tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know you
are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.


--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com 

--

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:



OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from
Washington Post after all), but sounds kind

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

We can now add the CDC to the FAA in no progress until the body count is 
high enough, the difference will be the size of the body count.


On 03/02/2020 09:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have a 
6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What the heck?


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
“surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid 
with their modular approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  
Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first 
page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  
With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is 
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get 
quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in 
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a 
precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
end.

bp



  


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation. 
Some part of you is rooting for it.


Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the most
prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right minded. we
tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal tools and
food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the best
firepower and ammunition and training. so i never understood
why people on the right get very nervous about these things.
a lot like devout christians worying about end times and
rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you guys. 
He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex Jones... I

have never seen them both at the same place at the same
time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and rave
here.  Can't do it at home, wife just rolls eyes and
tells me I'm a grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know you
are saving me a few $ in therapy.  So, Thank You.


--
Best regards,
Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Technologies, Inc.
www.Myakka.com 

--

Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:



OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s from
Washington Post after all), but sounds kind of

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Adam Moffett]

The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you think 
will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day price 
fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.


also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?


On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
Look at what happened to the market before the great depression, there 
was a month of up and downs while the market was being propped/played 
before the floor fell out.   Historically the market has always had a 
major crash withing the first two decades of each century 
1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major moves is where all the 
real money is made.  Way more than steady growth.


On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

So much money being made today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:


    26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
    Remember, I said 700 today

    On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
    mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> 
wrote:


    You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
    Jaime Solorza
    Wireless Systems Architect
    915-861-1390


    On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
    suggest 4 months.
    But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is
    falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

panic->prudence  Were you planning on going?

On 03/02/2020 09:20 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.

--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

I think this topic has \lent
but anybody watching this:
Market Summary 
 > 
Dow Jones Industrial Average

INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow
26,178.22+768.86 (3.03%)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM > wrote:


It does seem like it would please some of them.
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a
tragic outcome.

On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know
what it would actually take to contain it if the hype were true?
Pick a team Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban
area like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine
is a nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are
you fine with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson
 wrote:

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on
some right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
 wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census?
Seems to me if this is as infectious as the media would
like you to believe that having people going door to
door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to
blame on the current executive, they may have to accept
the consequence, less house of rep seats since they get
their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues
decimate.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof
 wrote:

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China. 
Problem solved.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first
time I heard the term “surge capacity” applied to
hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result
that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope
somebody’s looking at ways to open up more
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of
MASH.  Time for a bug out!

I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge
capacity” and the first page of results were mostly
studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because
it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we
need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
staff and first responders so they get quarantined.
This appears to be happening with that nursing home
in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now
quarantined as a precaution because they

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

Everyone wears them in China ( hence the deaths going down ) to prevent 
you from touching mouth or nose and goggles for eyes, if in public.  If 
you want to get the R0  (R naught) below two and get ahead of this you 
_must_ stop people from passing.Part of the reason not to touch is 
also to keep people from picking it up on surfaces as there is a pretty 
good body of evidence that it lasts multiple days on paper and plastic 
and 1-2 days on everything else.  YES UV helps but this is a much 
tougher little bugger than the common flu..


On 03/02/2020 09:27 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
The advice is that masks don't really protect you. OTOH, they say if you 
ARE infected that you should wear a mask. The idea is that masks don't 
really keep the virus out, but they can help in keeping the virus in.



bp


On 3/2/2020 9:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:

Surgeon General tells people not to buy masks.

Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world doesn't have 
a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such an event?  What 
the heck?


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
aim for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more 
facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t 
stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating a field 
hospital. Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane 
is worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating 
capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard 
against is infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so 
they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing 
home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as 
a precaution because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince > wrote:


Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten
the end.

bp



  


On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end times,
they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

Just a hypothesis.

On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
tools and food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have
the best firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
understood why people on the right get very nervous about
these things. a lot like devout christians worying about
end times and rapture.

On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
guys.  He is very alt right too.  He might be Alex
Jones... I have never seen them both at the same place
at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is gonna get
us all.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant and

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

I don't consider myself "left" and I'm not "right" and I won't be smug 
if the admin f's this up.   I'll feel threatened and more inclined not 
to trust the admin to get other stuff right.


On 03/02/2020 09:35 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
I'd imagine "the left" suspects the chief executive will fail to 
organize a proper response.  They would probably feel smug if they're 
proven right.  I haven't seen such expectations from "the left", but I 
can certainly imagine what they look like.


Meanwhile "the right" nurses zombie apocalypse fantasies. They'll save 
the country by shooting all the infected or something.


Steve has now convinced me to buy more ammo.  Not because I'm worried 
about the horde of people fleeing a quarantine, but I am now worried 
about how I'd face a group of vigilante Steves.




On 3/2/2020 11:58 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

It does seem like it would please some of them.
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic 
outcome.


On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it 
would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team 
Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area 
like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a 
nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine 
with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:


Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some
right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
 wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems
to me if this is as infectious as the media would like you to
believe that having people going door to door in communities
wouldnt be such a great idea.
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on
the current executive, they may have to accept the
consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their
seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof 
wrote:

Brilliant!

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

We could just send anyone with this bug to China. 
Problem solved.


*From:*Ken Hohhof

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I
heard the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital
beds.  Person was saying US healthcare industry has made
hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero
empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge
capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open
up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The
Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH. 
Time for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity”
and the first page of results were mostly studies after
Katrina. A hurricane is worse because it closes down
hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the
coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so
they get quarantined.  This appears to be happening with
that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25
firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because
they had been to that facility.

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they
dont have enough patients

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince
 wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD
and hasten the end.

bp

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at all
times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone
cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney  wrote:

> No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared!
>
> --
> Steven Kenney
> Network Operations Manager
> WaveDirect Telecommunications
> http://www.wavedirect.net
> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>
> --
> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> *To: *"af" 
> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work.
> Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the
> population, half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses,
> which means theyre trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not
> going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and
> not beards
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney 
> wrote:
>
>> Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.
>>
>> --
>> Steven Kenney
>> Network Operations Manager
>> WaveDirect Telecommunications
>> http://www.wavedirect.net
>> (519)737-WAVE (9283)
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"Steve Jones" 
>> *To: *"af" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>> I think this topic has \lent
>> but anybody watching this:
>> Market Summary
>> 
>>  > Dow Jones Industrial Average
>> INDEXDJX: .DJI
>> Follow
>> 26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%)
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> It does seem like it would please some of them.
>>> But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
>>>
>>> *From:* Adam Moffett
>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic
>>> outcome.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
>>> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
>>> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
>>> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
>>> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
>>> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson <
>>> cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
>>>
 Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
 pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
 It doesn't belong here.

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
> this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
> people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
>
> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
> current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
> rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
> plagues decimate.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> Brilliant!
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>>
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
>> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
>> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, 
>> aim
>> for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge 
>> capacity.
>> Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
>> where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
>> approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
>> for a bug out!
>>
>>
>>
>> I did a quick Google sear

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter what
the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you think
> will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day price
> fluctuations are really skimming money *out* of the market IMO.
>
> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>
> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression, there was
> a month of up and downs while the market was being propped/played before
> the floor fell out.   Historically the market has always had a major crash
> withing the first two decades of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The
> market making major moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more
> than steady growth.
>
> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> So much money being made today
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones   > wrote:
>
> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
> Remember, I said 700 today
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM   > wrote:
>
> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
> suggest 4 months.
> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is
> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
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>
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>
>
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Mark Radabaugh]

Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.Don’t take 
him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter.

Mark


> On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson  wrote:
> 
> It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome, 
> ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist right wing 
> BS off this list.
> 
> "If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
> executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
> actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing 
> out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a 
> quarantine have the choice?
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson  > wrote:
> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and 
> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.  It 
> doesn't belong here.  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this 
> is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people 
> going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.
> 
> If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
> executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
> since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  > wrote:
> Brilliant!
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>  
> 
> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved. 
> 
>  
> 
> From: Ken Hohhof
> 
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
> 
> To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>  
> 
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the term 
> “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare 
> industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for zero 
> empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope 
> somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where 
> outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to 
> quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
> 
>  
> 
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the first page 
> of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because 
> it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the 
> coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
> hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
> be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
> are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>  
> 
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have enough 
> patients
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  > wrote:
> 
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from COVID-19 
> before eating an old baguette!
> 
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the end.
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> 
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s 
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only 
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the 
> end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who cares 
> about Spam and Vienna sausages.
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  On 
> Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> 
>  
> 
> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  Some part of 
> you is rooting for it.
> 
> Just a hypothes

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Robert Andrews]

& that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont 
impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter 
what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett > wrote:


The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.

also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?


On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:

Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
growth.

On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

So much money being made today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>

> wrote:

26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
Remember, I said 700 today

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

> wrote:

You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
 > wrote:

How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
suggest 4 months.
But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
sky is
falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I like this advice. Don't be an
effing idiot.

bp



On 3/2/2020 9:51 AM, Robert Andrews
  wrote:

We
  can now add the CDC to the FAA in no progress until the body count
  is high enough, the difference will be the size of the body count.
  
  
  On 03/02/2020 09:14 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
  
  Surgeon General tells people not to buy
masks.


Uhh hello?  The richest most "ready" country in the world
doesn't have a 6 month supply of masks in storage ready for such
an event?  What the heck?


-- 
Steven Kenney

Network Operations Manager

WaveDirect Telecommunications

http://www.wavedirect.net

(519)737-WAVE (9283)




*From: *"Ken Hohhof" 

*To: *"af" 

*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 11:00:25 AM

*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was
saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking
at ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks
happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach
to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
for a bug out!


I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and
the first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
appears to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland,
Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution
because they had been to that facility.


*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones

*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM

*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
have enough patients


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:


    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
from

    COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!


    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
hasten the

    end.


    bp


    


  
    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


    Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
for

    tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old

    baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is

    cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
times,

    they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end. 
Who

    cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.


    *From:* AF 

     *On Behalf Of
*Adam Moffett

    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM

    *To:* af@af.afmug.com 

    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu


    You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
preparation.     Some part of you is rooting for it.


    Just a hypothesis.


    On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:


    i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be
the most

    prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
minded. we

    tend to be the most capable of utilizing primal
tools and

    food/water sources. if it goes boogity, we have the
best

    firepower and ammunition and training. so i never
understood

    why people on the right get very nervous about these
things.

    a lot like devout christians worying about end times

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

On a more scientific note:

Forget most of the Newspaper stuff, this is the big boys & girls talking 
seriously about what to expect.  I wouldn't think anyone here has more 
expertise in any of this stuff that these guys, so if you feel like 
arguing against this, "talk to the hand"


http://centerforhealthsecurity.org/cbn/ John Hopkins med chiming in!

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.   
  Don’t take him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter.


Mark


On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson > wrote:


It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic 
outcome, ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your 
extremist right wing BS off this list.


"If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the 
current executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones > wrote:


Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what
it would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a
team Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area
like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a
nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you
fine with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>
wrote:

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on
some right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census?
Seems to me if this is as infectious as the media would
like you to believe that having people going door to door
in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame
on the current executive, they may have to accept the
consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their
seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof
mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

Brilliant!

__ __

Maybe send them via cruise ship.

__ __

__ __

*From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
*ch...@wbmfg.com 
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

__ __

We could just send anyone with this bug to China. 
Problem solved. 




*From:*Ken Hohhof 

*Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

*To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first
time I heard the term “surge capacity” applied to
hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result
that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope
somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities
in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t
stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating
a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
out!



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge
capacity” and the first page of results were mostly
studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because
it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need
to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff
and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
appears to be happening with that nursing home in
Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now
quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
that facility.





*From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve
Jones
   

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steven Kenney]

FEMA has a ton of resources ready for emergencies and they circulate their 
stock. The medical system does not. Because its made up of a lot of independent 
hospitals bent on profit. So the CDC or some other federal agency needs to fit 
the bill and have non perishable stuff in stock. If something like this ever 
hit the US they will be unprepared supply wise. Most of the stuff isn't even 
made here so by the time they refit plants to produce it may be too late. 

I mean hell they ordered those millions and millions of rounds of ammunition 
(including hollow points) during the Obama admin. Sounds like one agency thinks 
ahead! 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
http://www.wavedirect.net 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones"  
To: "af"  
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:07:55 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at all 
times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let alone cycle 
it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 



No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared! 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
[ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones" < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont work. Thats 
an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger percentage of the population, 
half the people you see in them have a gap by their noses, which means theyre 
trapping the virus inside the mask. and if youre not going to shave, dont even 
bother. Same reason firemen have mustaches and not beards 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney < [ mailto:st...@wavedirect.org | 
st...@wavedirect.org ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic. 

-- 
Steven Kenney 
Network Operations Manager 
WaveDirect Telecommunications 
[ http://www.wavedirect.net/ | http://www.wavedirect.net ] 
(519)737-WAVE (9283) 


From: "Steve Jones" < [ mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | 
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > 
To: "af" < [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] > 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 

I think this topic has \lent 
but anybody watching this: 
[ 
https://www.google.com/search?q=finance&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS887US887&oq=dow+jo&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j69i57j0l6.3975j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&stick=H4sIAOPQeMSozC3w8sc9YSmpSWtOXmMU4RJyy8xLzEtO9UnMS8nMSw9ITE_lAQCCiJIYKA&tbm=fin&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQmZTAovznAhUTCjQIHfucDiAQ6M8CMAB6BAhAEAI&sxsrf=ALeKk02NB20xnoAVtEGZ3O3rXmLIN6CAsA:1583168566404
 | Market Summary ] > Dow Jones Industrial Average 
INDEXDJX: .DJI 
Follow 
26,178.22 +768.86 (3.03%) 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM < [ mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com | ch...@wbmfg.com ] 
> wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

It does seem like it would please some of them. 
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right? 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM 
To: [ mailto:af@af.afmug.com | af@af.afmug.com ] 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu 


Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left" wants a tragic outcome. 



On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like chicago? 
just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing out, 
literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a quarantine 
have the choice? 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson < [ 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com | cpeter...@portnetworks.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS! It is insulting and pretty 
disgusting. Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list. It doesn't 
belong here. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones < [ 
mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com | thatoneguyst...@gmail.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if this is 
as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people going 
door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 
If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep seats 
since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate. 
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof < [ mailto:af...@kwisp.com | 
af...@kwisp.com ] > wrote: 

BQ_BEGIN

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

Yeah, he is our own private Lewis CK.

From: Mark Radabaugh 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:13 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.Don’t take 
him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter. 

Mark



  On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson  wrote:

  It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome, 
ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist right wing BS 
off this list. 

  "If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.  

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it would 
actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing 
out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a 
quarantine have the choice?

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and 
pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.  It 
doesn't belong here.  

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if 
this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having people 
going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 

If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the 
current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep 
seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues 
decimate.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Brilliant!



  Maybe send them via cruise ship.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



  We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.  



  From: Ken Hohhof 

  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for 
zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s 
hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where 
outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to 
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!



  I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With 
the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



  Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients



  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from 
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten 
the end.

bp On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for 
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the 
only thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are 
the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who 
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



  You need the disaster to occur to justify all your preparation.  
Some part of you is rooting for it.

  Just a hypothesis.



  On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

i never un

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

when i was a kid, my sisters friends would definitely agree about that. i
liked to do helicopter fly bys

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:54 PM  wrote:

> Yeah, he is our own private Lewis CK.
>
> *From:* Mark Radabaugh
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 11:13 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
> Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.Don’t
> take him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic
> outcome, ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist
> right wing BS off this list.
>
> "If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current
> executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it
>> would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
>> how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like
>> chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in
>> nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting
>> people in a quarantine have the choice?
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and
>>> pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.
>>> It doesn't belong here.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me if
 this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having
 people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

 If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the
 current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of
 rep seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what
 plagues decimate.

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Brilliant!
>
>
>
> Maybe send them via cruise ship.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the
> term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US
> healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim
> for zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.
> Let’s hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas
> where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular
> approach to quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time
> for a bug out!
>
>
>
> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is
> worse because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
> capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is
> infecting all the hospital staff and first responders so they get
> quarantined.  This appears to be happening with that nursing home in
> Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution
> because they had been to that facility.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
>
>
>
> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have
> enough patients
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from
> COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
>
> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten the
> end.
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for tonight’s
> dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the only
> thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are
> the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  
> Who
> c

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[chuck]

“Helicopter fly by” must be a euphemism...

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:56 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

when i was a kid, my sisters friends would definitely agree about that. i liked 
to do helicopter fly bys

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:54 PM  wrote:

  Yeah, he is our own private Lewis CK.

  From: Mark Radabaugh 
  Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 11:13 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

  Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it.Don’t 
take him, or yourself too seriously.  Or me either for that matter. 

  Mark



On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson  
wrote:

It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome, 
ie to want people to suffer and die.  Please keep your extremist right wing BS 
off this list. 

"If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current 
executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.  

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what it 
would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a team Carl. 
  how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area like 
chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a nothing in nothing 
out, literally the entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a 
quarantine have the choice?

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson 
 wrote:

Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is insulting and 
pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on some right wing troll list.  It 
doesn't belong here.  

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  a serious question, are they going to delay the census? Seems to me 
if this is as infectious as the media would like you to believe that having 
people going door to door in communities wouldnt be such a great idea. 

  If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the 
current executive, they may have to accept the consequence, less house of rep 
seats since they get their seats from cities, and cities is what plagues 
decimate.

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Brilliant!



Maybe send them via cruise ship.





From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



We could just send anyone with this bug to China.  Problem solved.  



From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard the 
term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was saying US 
healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same way as airlines, aim for 
zero empty beds, with the result that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s 
hope somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities in areas where 
outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to 
quickly creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!



I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the 
first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse 
because it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With 
the coronavirus what I suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the 
hospital staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears to 
be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters 
are now quarantined as a precaution because they had been to that facility.





From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu



Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont have 
enough patients



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince  
wrote:

  Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die from 
COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

  If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and hasten 
the end.

bp On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food for 
tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably the 
only thing in their pantry is cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are 
the end times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the end.  Who 
cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.



From: AF mailto:af-boun...@a

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Robert Andrews]

This whole mask thing sometimes gets me.   So if I buy a case of N95 
masks from Home Depot, that would affect the purchase of masks for a 
hospital?   Hospitals are buying the same quality masks as Home Depot is 
selling?   The suppliers aren't making the same masks for Home Depot and 
are not prioritizing Home Depot masks over Hospital masks.  Maybe that's 
the throw away masks that they are handing people who walk in the door, 
but if people are buying those at Home Depot before they get to the 
hospital, that would be worse?




On 03/02/2020 10:51 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
FEMA has a ton of resources ready for emergencies and they circulate 
their stock.  The medical system does not.   Because its made up of a 
lot of independent hospitals bent on profit.  So the CDC or some other 
federal agency needs to fit the bill and have non perishable stuff in 
stock.  If something like this ever hit the US they will be unprepared 
supply wise.  Most of the stuff isn't even made here so by the time they 
refit plants to produce it may be too late.


I mean hell they ordered those millions and millions of rounds of 
ammunition (including hollow points) during the Obama admin.  Sounds 
like one agency thinks ahead!


--
Steven Kenney
Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Steve Jones" 
*To: *"af" 
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 1:07:55 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at 
all times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let 
alone cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney > wrote:


No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared!

-- 
Steven Kenney

Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont
work. Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger
percentage of the population, half the people you see in them have a
gap by their noses, which means theyre trapping the virus inside the
mask. and if youre not going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason
firemen have mustaches and not beards

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney mailto:st...@wavedirect.org>> wrote:

Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.

-- 
Steven Kenney

Network Operations Manager
WaveDirect Telecommunications
http://www.wavedirect.net
(519)737-WAVE (9283)


*From: *"Steve Jones" mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
*To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
*Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

I think this topic has \lent
but anybody watching this:
Market Summary


 >
Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow
26,178.22+768.86 (3.03%)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

It does seem like it would please some of them.
But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
*From:* Adam Moffett
*Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left"
wants a tragic outcome.

On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to
know what it would actually take to contain it if the
hype were true? Pick a team Carl.
how would you stop people from flooding out of a major
urban area like chicago? just politely ask them to stay?
A quarantine is a nothing in nothing out, literally the
entire point. Or are you fine with letting people in a
quarantine have the choice?
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM C

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

the masks at the door are not n95

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:13 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> This whole mask thing sometimes gets me.   So if I buy a case of N95
> masks from Home Depot, that would affect the purchase of masks for a
> hospital?   Hospitals are buying the same quality masks as Home Depot is
> selling?   The suppliers aren't making the same masks for Home Depot and
> are not prioritizing Home Depot masks over Hospital masks.  Maybe that's
> the throw away masks that they are handing people who walk in the door,
> but if people are buying those at Home Depot before they get to the
> hospital, that would be worse?
>
>
>
> On 03/02/2020 10:51 AM, Steven Kenney wrote:
> > FEMA has a ton of resources ready for emergencies and they circulate
> > their stock.  The medical system does not.   Because its made up of a
> > lot of independent hospitals bent on profit.  So the CDC or some other
> > federal agency needs to fit the bill and have non perishable stuff in
> > stock.  If something like this ever hit the US they will be unprepared
> > supply wise.  Most of the stuff isn't even made here so by the time they
> > refit plants to produce it may be too late.
> >
> > I mean hell they ordered those millions and millions of rounds of
> > ammunition (including hollow points) during the Obama admin.  Sounds
> > like one agency thinks ahead!
> >
> > --
> > Steven Kenney
> > Network Operations Manager
> > WaveDirect Telecommunications
> > http://www.wavedirect.net
> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >
> > 
> > *From: *"Steve Jones" 
> > *To: *"af" 
> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 1:07:55 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > You think they should have 3 billion dollars worth of masks on hand at
> > all times? I cant imagine the resources to manage that inventory, let
> > alone cycle it out. One mouse could do a lot of damage
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:39 AM Steven Kenney  > > wrote:
> >
> > No I mean if they are low on supply - then they are unprepared!
> >
> > --
> > Steven Kenney
> > Network Operations Manager
> > WaveDirect Telecommunications
> > http://www.wavedirect.net
> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >
> >
>  
> > *From: *"Steve Jones"  > >
> > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:24:24 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > The surgeon general warning says not to buy them because they dont
> > work. Thats an odd duck announcement. they dont fit a larger
> > percentage of the population, half the people you see in them have a
> > gap by their noses, which means theyre trapping the virus inside the
> > mask. and if youre not going to shave, dont even bother. Same reason
> > firemen have mustaches and not beards
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:21 AM Steven Kenney  > > wrote:
> >
> > Apparently MUM has been canceled because of the panic.
> >
> > --
> > Steven Kenney
> > Network Operations Manager
> > WaveDirect Telecommunications
> > http://www.wavedirect.net
> > (519)737-WAVE (9283)
> >
> >
>  
> > *From: *"Steve Jones"  > >
> > *To: *"af" mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> > *Sent: *Monday, March 2, 2020 12:02:40 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > I think this topic has \lent
> > but anybody watching this:
> > Market Summary
> > <
> https://www.google.com/search?q=finance&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS887US887&oq=dow+jo&aqs=chrome.0.35i39j69i57j0l6.3975j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&stick=H4sIAOPQeMSozC3w8sc9YSmpSWtOXmMU4RJyy8xLzEtO9UnMS8nMSw9ITE_lAQCCiJIYKA&tbm=fin&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQmZTAovznAhUTCjQIHfucDiAQ6M8CMAB6BAhAEAI&sxsrf=ALeKk02NB20xnoAVtEGZ3O3rXmLIN6CAsA:1583168566404>
> >
> > Dow Jones Industrial Average
> > INDEXDJX: .DJI
> > Follow
> > 26,178.22+768.86 (3.03%)
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:01 AM  > > wrote:
> >
> > It does seem like it would please some of them.
> > But we are in the middle of Lent right now, right?
> > *From:* Adam Moffett
> > *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:55 AM
> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com 
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
> >
> > Steve, the extremist part is where you think "the left"
> > wants a tragic outcome.
> >
> > On 3/2/2020 11:49 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >
> > Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to
> >   

Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Kurt Fankhauser]

here is the response i got:

Hi Kurt,

Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will assist
you with this case.

I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using
the cnMaestro.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.

We encourage you to post this in the ideas section of the cnMaestro. Our
engineering team is a part of the community and may consider to include it
in the future releases of cnMaestro.
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/idb-p/Ideas

Please let us know if there is anything else that we can assist you with.

Regards,

Sri Mani
Technical Engineer
Cambium Networks Global Support

I work Monday-Friday

US Central- 08:30 AM to 04:30 PM

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:13 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
wrote:

> i just submitted a ticket through support with cambium, we will see what
> they come back with
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:04 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> You still have to activate the entitlements by serial number, don’t you?
>>
>>
>>
>> If you enter the IP address when activating the entitlement, Cambium
>> gives you a link and just clicking on the link (from an on-network PC) will
>> install the key.  So I’m thinking the activation is more work than the
>> installation.  Unless you’ve found a way to mass activate entitlements.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 9:50 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade
>>
>>
>>
>> don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key
>> upgrade for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200
>> of them if i dont have too
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the
>> Lite APs?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's that
>> are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to
>> take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them
>> all.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Matt Hoppes]

I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for the 
flu, don’t you think?

I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”. 

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you 
> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I 
> don't get it.
> 
> 
>> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Agreed.
>> 
>> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke out 
>> in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>> 
>> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... 
>> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to our 
>> nations, that are now infected.
>> 
>> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix the 
>> issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other countries 
>> who would then be the route to the US?
>> 
>> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, and 
>> hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the town.   
>> Work from home.
>> 
>> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get bad 
>> before we do something?
>> 
>> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has gone 
>> through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that horse 
>> has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that 
>>> stuff.
>>> 
 On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities 
 refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that 
 refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for 
 anything.
 they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
 There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago 
 beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody 
 who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town 
 closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting 
 the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than 
 seeking care.
 Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
 
 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof >>> > wrote:
 
 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
 the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
 saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
 way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
 there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
 ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. 
 The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
 creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!
 
 I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
 first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
 hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
 pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
 suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
 staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
 to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 
 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they
 had been to that facility.
 
 *From:* AF >>> > *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
 *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu
 
 Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
 have enough patients
 
 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince >>> > wrote:
 
 Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
 from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!
 
 If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
 hasten the end.
 
 bp
 
 
 
 
 On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 
 Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
 for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
 baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
 cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
 times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch t

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Matt Hoppes]

There is a lot of bad information flying around here. 

An N95 or N100 mask absolutely will protect you from the virus IF WORN 
CORRECTLY. 

The majority of America won’t. 

For it to work properly:
It must be 100% air tight. When you exhale you should not feel air moving out 
the sides. 

There should be no facial hair. It should be tight around your nose. For best 
results run duct tape between the mask and your face. 

Additionally, air tight goggles are helpful depending on your situation. 

And of course, when removing the mask it must be removed without contamination 
of the face and the hands must then be decontaminated. 
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Seth Mattinen]

On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:

here is the response i got:

Hi Kurt,

Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will 
assist you with this case.


I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using 
the cnMaestro.


Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.



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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Steve Jones]

One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.

Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.

Geeks should never have to manually do things.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > here is the response i got:
> >
> > Hi Kurt,
> >
> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
> > assist you with this case.
> >
> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using
> > the cnMaestro.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>
>
> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Mathew Howard]

If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to
script it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of
them manually.

If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but
it doesn't sound like it can.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.
>
> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
>
> Geeks should never have to manually do things.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
>> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>> > here is the response i got:
>> >
>> > Hi Kurt,
>> >
>> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
>> > assist you with this case.
>> >
>> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs
>> using
>> > the cnMaestro.
>> >
>> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
>> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>>
>>
>> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Steve Jones]

Who says it cant?
I wonder if the key is stored in the config file

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to
> script it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of
> them manually.
>
> If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but
> it doesn't sound like it can.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
>> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
>> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.
>>
>> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
>> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
>>
>> Geeks should never have to manually do things.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > here is the response i got:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Kurt,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
>>> > assist you with this case.
>>> >
>>> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs
>>> using
>>> > the cnMaestro.
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
>>> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>>>
>>>
>>> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Roland Houin]

It’s not done through the gui

It’s a simple url which includes the ip address of the sm

 

Roland

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

 

Who says it cant?

I wonder if the key is stored in the config file

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to script 
it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of them 
manually.

 

If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but it 
doesn't sound like it can.

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most 
definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip. Then 
the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios. 

 

Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some 
string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.

 

Geeks should never have to manually do things. 

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> here is the response i got:
> 
> Hi Kurt,
> 
> Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will 
> assist you with this case.
> 
> I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using 
> the cnMaestro.
> 
> Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
> cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.


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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[chuck]

So Siri works for Cambium now?

From: Kurt Fankhauser 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 12:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

here is the response i got:

Hi Kurt,

Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will assist you 
with this case.

I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using the 
cnMaestro.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.

We encourage you to post this in the ideas section of the cnMaestro. Our 
engineering team is a part of the community and may consider to include it in 
the future releases of cnMaestro.
http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your-Ideas/idb-p/Ideas

Please let us know if there is anything else that we can assist you with.

Regards,

Sri Mani
Technical Engineer
Cambium Networks Global Support

I work Monday-Friday

US Central- 08:30 AM to 04:30 PM


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:13 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

  i just submitted a ticket through support with cambium, we will see what they 
come back with

  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 11:04 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

You still have to activate the entitlements by serial number, don’t you?



If you enter the IP address when activating the entitlement, Cambium gives 
you a link and just clicking on the link (from an on-network PC) will install 
the key.  So I’m thinking the activation is more work than the installation.  
Unless you’ve found a way to mass activate entitlements.



From: AF  On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 9:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade



don't want it to be flexible, i, just talking a standard permanent key 
upgrade for the 450 SM's, i don't want to have to manually upgrade over 200 of 
them if i dont have too



On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:34 AM Steve Jones  
wrote:

  Is that something that the flexible licensing does or is it just for the 
Lite APs?







  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 9:28 AM Kurt Fankhauser  
wrote:

Does anyone know if Cambium can do a mass key upgrade to PMP450 SM's 
that are connected to cNMaestro? I have over 200 SM's in there that i need to 
take from 20mb keys to Unlimited keys and don't want to manually do them all.

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[AFMUG] SIAE Open House @ WISPAmerica

[Joseph.Schraml]

Headed to the WISPAmerica show in Dallas the week of March 16th?

 

SIAE Microelettronica recently expanded into our new, larger facility in 
Irving, TX and is hosting an Open House on Monday, March 16th from 3pm – 7pm. 
You’re cordially invited to our Open House to meet our team, socialize with 
peers, tour the facility and let us show you the SIAE difference.

 

Please come enjoy snacks, beverages and see how we're making a difference in 
today's crowded microwave backhaul world.

 

Where:

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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Mathew Howard]

Well, if that's the case, it should be fairly easy to script.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:17 PM Roland Houin  wrote:

> It’s not done through the gui
>
> It’s a simple url which includes the ip address of the sm
>
>
>
> Roland
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 3:09 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade
>
>
>
> Who says it cant?
>
> I wonder if the key is stored in the config file
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to
> script it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of
> them manually.
>
>
>
> If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but
> it doesn't sound like it can.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.
>
>
>
> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
>
>
>
> Geeks should never have to manually do things.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > here is the response i got:
> >
> > Hi Kurt,
> >
> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
> > assist you with this case.
> >
> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using
> > the cnMaestro.
> >
> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>
>
> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Harold Bledsoe]

I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite
illuminating about flu in Connecticut:

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php

"10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
"2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season"
"The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths this
season to 58" (in CT)

That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.

We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky
healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention
to it unless you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is
available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will
bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).

I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else
mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the
1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some
drama!

Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:

> I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
> the flu, don’t you think?
>
> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.
>
> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> >
> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you
> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I
> don't get it.
> >
> >
> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> >> Agreed.
> >>
> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke
> out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
> >>
> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased...
> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to
> our nations, that are now infected.
> >>
> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix
> the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other
> countries who would then be the route to the US?
> >>
> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US,
> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the
> town.   Work from home.
> >>
> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get
> bad before we do something?
> >>
> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has
> gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that
> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
> >>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all
> that stuff.
> >>>
>  On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>  The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by
> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place
> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
> anything.
>  they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
>  There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like
> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting
> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity,
> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with
> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out
> rather than seeking care.
>  Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
> 
>  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof  af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
> 
>  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
>  the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
>  saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
>  way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
>  there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
>  ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen.
>The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
>  creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
> out!
> 
>  I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
>  first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
>  hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
>  pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
>  suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
>  staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
>  to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washingt

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

the morbic curiousity in me would like those dead folks dug up and tested
for kungflu just to see. But they normally are tested if they die

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe  wrote:

> I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite
> illuminating about flu in Connecticut:
>
>
> https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php
>
> "10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
> "2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season"
> "The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths
> this season to 58" (in CT)
>
> That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.
>
> We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky
> healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention
> to it unless you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is
> available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will
> bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).
>
> I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else
> mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the
> 1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
> only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some
> drama!
>
> Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
>> the flu, don’t you think?
>>
>> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.
>>
>> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> >
>> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you
>> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I
>> don't get it.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >> Agreed.
>> >>
>> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first
>> broke out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>> >>
>> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased...
>> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to
>> our nations, that are now infected.
>> >>
>> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would
>> fix the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other
>> countries who would then be the route to the US?
>> >>
>> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US,
>> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the
>> town.   Work from home.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get
>> bad before we do something?
>> >>
>> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has
>> gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that
>> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all
>> that stuff.
>> >>>
>>  On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>  The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by
>> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place
>> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
>> anything.
>>  they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
>>  There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like
>> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting
>> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity,
>> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with
>> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out
>> rather than seeking care.
>>  Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
>> 
>>  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
>>  the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
>>  saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
>>  way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
>>  there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking
>> at
>>  ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks
>> happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to
>> quickly
>>  creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
>> out!
>> 
>>  I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
>>  first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A
>>  hurricane is worse becau

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

Theyre going too far now:
Market Summary

 > Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow
26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> & that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...
>
> On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> > Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
> > impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter
> > what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  > > wrote:
> >
> > The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
> > think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
> > price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.
> >
> > also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
> >
> >
> > On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
> >> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
> >> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
> >> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
> >> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
> >> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
> >> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
> >> growth.
> >>
> >> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> >>> So much money being made today
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
> >>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
> >>> 
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
> >>> Remember, I said 700 today
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
> >>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
> >>> 
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
> >>> Jaime Solorza
> >>> Wireless Systems Architect
> >>> 915-861-1390
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM  >>> 
> >>>  > wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
> >>> suggest 4 months.
> >>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
> >>> sky is
> >>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
> >>> correction.
> >>> -- AF mailing list
> >>> AF@af.afmug.com  
> >>> 
> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
> >>>
> >>> -- AF mailing list
> >>> AF@af.afmug.com  
> >>> 
> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Lewis Bergman]

The elderly are very vulnerable to flu death, which seems to be the case
with Covid-19 if you listen to the CDC. A vast majority of deaths are with
people suffering from other respiratory issues. When I was serving on a
hospital board the census count had a line for Elderly repritory and it was
always about a third of people in the hospital at a minimum. Sometimes,
they were the only ones there in that small rural hospital.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe  wrote:

> I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite
> illuminating about flu in Connecticut:
>
>
> https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php
>
> "10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
> "2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season"
> "The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths
> this season to 58" (in CT)
>
> That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.
>
> We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky
> healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention
> to it unless you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is
> available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will
> bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).
>
> I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else
> mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the
> 1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
> only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some
> drama!
>
> Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
>> I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
>> the flu, don’t you think?
>>
>> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.
>>
>> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>> >
>> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you
>> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I
>> don't get it.
>> >
>> >
>> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> >> Agreed.
>> >>
>> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first
>> broke out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>> >>
>> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased...
>> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to
>> our nations, that are now infected.
>> >>
>> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would
>> fix the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other
>> countries who would then be the route to the US?
>> >>
>> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US,
>> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the
>> town.   Work from home.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get
>> bad before we do something?
>> >>
>> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has
>> gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that
>> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> >>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all
>> that stuff.
>> >>>
>>  On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>  The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by
>> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place
>> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
>> anything.
>>  they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
>>  There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like
>> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting
>> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity,
>> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with
>> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out
>> rather than seeking care.
>>  Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
>> 
>>  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof > af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:
>> 
>>  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
>>  the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was
>>  saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
>>  way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
>>  there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking
>> at
>>  ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks
>> happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[castarritt .]

You're getting ripped off bro.  Thanks to credit card companies, the one
dollar I put into debt yesterday is worth TWO dollars today!


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:14 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
> impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter what
> the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you think
>> will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day price
>> fluctuations are really skimming money *out* of the market IMO.
>>
>> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
>>
>>
>> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>>
>> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression, there
>> was a month of up and downs while the market was being propped/played
>> before the floor fell out.   Historically the market has always had a major
>> crash withing the first two decades of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?
>> The market making major moves is where all the real money is made.  Way
>> more than steady growth.
>>
>> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> So much money being made today
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones >  > wrote:
>>
>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
>> Remember, I said 700 today
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
>> Jaime Solorza
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM >  > wrote:
>>
>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
>> suggest 4 months.
>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is
>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.
>> -- AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com  
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>> -- AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com  
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Steve Jones]

AGE
DEATH RATE
confirmed cases
DEATH RATE
all cases

80+ years old
21.9%
14.8%
70-79 years old
8.0%
60-69 years old
3.6%
50-59 years old
1.3%
40-49 years old
0.4%
30-39 years old
0.2%
20-29 years old
0.2%
10-19 years old
0.2%
0-9 years old
no fatalities

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:04 PM Lewis Bergman 
wrote:

> The elderly are very vulnerable to flu death, which seems to be the case
> with Covid-19 if you listen to the CDC. A vast majority of deaths are
> with people suffering from other respiratory issues. When I was serving on
> a hospital board the census count had a line for Elderly repritory and it
> was always about a third of people in the hospital at a minimum. Sometimes,
> they were the only ones there in that small rural hospital.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite
>> illuminating about flu in Connecticut:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php
>>
>> "10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
>> "2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this
>> season"
>> "The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths
>> this season to 58" (in CT)
>>
>> That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.
>>
>> We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky
>> healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention
>> to it unless you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is
>> available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will
>> bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).
>>
>> I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else
>> mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the
>> 1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
>> only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some
>> drama!
>>
>> Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
>>> the flu, don’t you think?
>>>
>>> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.
>>>
>>> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you
>>> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I
>>> don't get it.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>> >> Agreed.
>>> >>
>>> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first
>>> broke out in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>>> >>
>>> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they
>>> pleased... finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow
>>> travel to our nations, that are now infected.
>>> >>
>>> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would
>>> fix the issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other
>>> countries who would then be the route to the US?
>>> >>
>>> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US,
>>> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the
>>> town.   Work from home.
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to
>>> get bad before we do something?
>>> >>
>>> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has
>>> gone through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that
>>> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> >>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all
>>> that stuff.
>>> >>>
>>>  On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>>  The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by
>>> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place
>>> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for
>>> anything.
>>>  they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
>>>  There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like
>>> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting
>>> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity,
>>> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with
>>> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out
>>> rather than seeking care.
>>>  Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon
>>> 
>>>  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>>  Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
>>>  the term

Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Ken Hohhof]

You simply have to browse to that special URL and it’s done, but I think you 
have to go through SM GUI authentication first.  But as far as the URL, once 
you activate the entitlement, the URL will be a clickable link in the Cambium 
activated entitlements page.  I would be more worried about missing a few than 
manually installing 200 keys.

 

I’m assuming once you install the keys, you can then do a mass change to the 
QoS settings via cnMaestro or SNMP?  If that had to be done manually, it would 
be more work than installing the keys.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 2:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

 

Well, if that's the case, it should be fairly easy to script.

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:17 PM Roland Houin mailto:rho...@fourway.net> > wrote:

It’s not done through the gui

It’s a simple url which includes the ip address of the sm

 

Roland

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

 

Who says it cant?

I wonder if the key is stored in the config file

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to script 
it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of them 
manually.

 

If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but it 
doesn't sound like it can.

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most 
definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip. Then 
the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios. 

 

Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some 
string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.

 

Geeks should never have to manually do things. 

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> here is the response i got:
> 
> Hi Kurt,
> 
> Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will 
> assist you with this case.
> 
> I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using 
> the cnMaestro.
> 
> Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
> cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.


So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[Bill Prince]

  
  
If you look at the numbers from China nCOV seems to have a
  mortality rate of ~~ 3.4%. Based on comments from the CDC, they
  think the total infections in China is understated by a factor of
  2 to 5, which would put the mortality rate more in the
  neighborhood of .7% to 1.4%.
I still think the infected numbers in the US "should be" in the
  many hundreds, or more likely in the several thousands. 
Part of the problem is that there seems to be a huge number of
  people who are infected or at least carriers who don't show any
  symptoms. I would call this bad news that is probably more like
  good news.


bp



On 3/2/2020 1:03 PM, Lewis Bergman
  wrote:


  
  The elderly are very vulnerable to flu death, which
seems to be the case with Covid-19 if you listen to the
CDC. A vast majority of deaths are with people suffering from
other respiratory issues. When I was serving on a hospital board
the census count had a line for Elderly repritory and it was
always about a third of people in the hospital at a minimum.
Sometimes, they were the only ones there in that small rural
hospital.
  
  
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM
  Harold Bledsoe  wrote:


  
I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I
  found this article quite illuminating about flu in
  Connecticut:
  
  
  https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php
  
  
  
  "10,286
  people have tested positive for the flu this season"
  (in CT)
  "2,230
  people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu
  this season"
  "The
  latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total
  of deaths this season to 58" (in CT)



That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was
  expecting.  


We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and
  other unlucky healthy people for quite a while so no one
  really pays that much attention to it unless you are at
  risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is available
  next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks
  will bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine).


I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As
  someone else mentioned earlier, it is like when a
  hurricane is coming and you are in the 1000 mile cone of
  uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the
  only time anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We
  humans love us some drama!


Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll
  probably be OK.


  On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at
1:27 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:
  
  I never complained
about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for
the flu, don’t you think?

I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”. 

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett 
wrote:
> 
> Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand. 
It seems like you complain about a Draconian response in
China while advocating one here.  I don't get it.
> 
> 
>> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Agreed.
>> 
>> We should have shut down our borders 3 months
ago when this first broke out in China... immediately. 
No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>> 
>> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come
and go as they pleased... finally shutting down travel
to China, but continuing to allow travel to our nations,
that are now infected.
>> 
>> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel
to just China would fix the issue?  That folks in China
wouldn't contaminate folks in other countries who would
then be the route to the US?
>> 
>> We need to immediately quarantine every state,
if not town in the US, and hold that quarantine for
60-90

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

[James Howard]

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/faq.htm

Interesting lines:

 Also, most people who die from flu-related complications are not tested for 
flu, or they seek medical care later in their illness when influenza can no 
longer be detected from respiratory samples.

These are some of the reasons that CDC and other public health agencies in the 
United States and other countries use statistical and mathematical models to 
estimate the annual number of flu-related deaths.



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 2:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

the morbic curiousity in me would like those dead folks dug up and tested for 
kungflu just to see. But they normally are tested if they die

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe 
mailto:hbledso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm currently in the overreaction camp.  I found this article quite 
illuminating about flu in Connecticut:

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php

"10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT)
"2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season"
"The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths this 
season to 58" (in CT)

That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting.

We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky healthy 
people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention to it unless 
you are at risk.  I'd even wager that once a vaccine is available next year 
after this mania passes, less than half of folks will bother to get it (similar 
to flu vaccine).

I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top.  As someone else mentioned 
earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the 1000 mile 
cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the only time 
anyone watches the weather channel.  ;-). We humans love us some drama!

Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> 
wrote:
I never complained about what China did.   I said it’s a bit extreme for the 
flu, don’t you think?

I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”.

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett 
> mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand.  It seems like you 
> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here.  I 
> don't get it.
>
>
>> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Agreed.
>>
>> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke out 
>> in China... immediately.  No in or outbound travel of any sort.
>>
>> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... 
>> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to our 
>> nations, that are now infected.
>>
>> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix the 
>> issue?  That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other countries 
>> who would then be the route to the US?
>>
>> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, and 
>> hold that quarantine for 60-90 days.   No coming or going from the town.   
>> Work from home.
>>
>> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get bad 
>> before we do something?
>>
>> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has gone 
>> through.  Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that horse 
>> has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that 
>>> stuff.
>>>
 On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities 
 refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that 
 refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for 
 anything.
 they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
 There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago 
 beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody 
 who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town 
 closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting 
 the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than 
 seeking care.
 Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

 On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof 
 mailto:af...@kwisp.com> 
 >> wrote:

 Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
 the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person wa

Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Mark Radabaugh]

It’s actually really easy since it’s just a URL with the key in it.   Create 
and excel spreadsheet and click on 200links if  you have no other programming 
skills.

Mark

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Mathew Howard  wrote:
> 
> Well, if that's the case, it should be fairly easy to script.
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:17 PM Roland Houin  > wrote:
> It’s not done through the gui
> 
> It’s a simple url which includes the ip address of the sm
> 
>  
> 
> Roland
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:09 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  >
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade
> 
>  
> 
> Who says it cant?
> 
> I wonder if the key is stored in the config file
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:08 PM Mathew Howard  > wrote:
> 
> If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to script 
> it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of them 
> manually.
> 
>  
> 
> If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but it 
> doesn't sound like it can.
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones  > wrote:
> 
> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most 
> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip. 
> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios. 
> 
>  
> 
> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some 
> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
> 
>  
> 
> Geeks should never have to manually do things. 
> 
>  
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  > wrote:
> 
> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
> > here is the response i got:
> > 
> > Hi Kurt,
> > 
> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will 
> > assist you with this case.
> > 
> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs using 
> > the cnMaestro.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the 
> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
> 
> 
> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[chuck]

5.09%
Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to rise.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Theyre going too far now: 
Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
Follow26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)  


On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

  & that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

  On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  > Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont 
  > impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter 
  > what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
  > 
  > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett  > wrote:
  > 
  > The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
  > think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
  > price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.
  > 
  > also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
  > 
  > 
  > On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
  >> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
  >> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
  >> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
  >> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
  >> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
  >> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
  >> growth.
  >>
  >> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
  >>> So much money being made today
  >>>
  >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
  >>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
  >>> 
  >>> > wrote:
  >>>
  >>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
  >>> Remember, I said 700 today
  >>>
  >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
  >>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
  >>> 
  >>> > wrote:
  >>>
  >>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
  >>> Jaime Solorza
  >>> Wireless Systems Architect
  >>> 915-861-1390
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM >> 
  >>>  > wrote:
  >>>
  >>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
  >>> suggest 4 months.
  >>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
  >>> sky is
  >>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
  >>> correction.
  >>> -- AF mailing list
  >>> AF@af.afmug.com  
  >>> 
  >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
  >>>
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  >>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Steve Jones]

before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 35
then correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the current
executive and say the current executive owns the market from here out, just
like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will be the former
executives win. dumb

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM  wrote:

> 5.09%
> Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to
> rise.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
> Theyre going too far now:
> Market Summary
> 
> > Dow Jones Industrial Average
> INDEXDJX: .DJI
> Follow
> 26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
>> & that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...
>>
>> On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> > Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont
>> > impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter
>> > what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
>> >
>> > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
>> > think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
>> > price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market
>> IMO.
>> >
>> > also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
>> >
>> >
>> > On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> >> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
>> >> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
>> >> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
>> >> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
>> >> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
>> >> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
>> >> growth.
>> >>
>> >> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> >>> So much money being made today
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
>> >>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>> >>> 
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
>> >>> Remember, I said 700 today
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
>> >>> mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>
>> >>> 
>> >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
>> >>> Jaime Solorza
>> >>> Wireless Systems Architect
>> >>> 915-861-1390
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM > >>> 
>> >>>  > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats
>> would
>> >>> suggest 4 months.
>> >>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
>> >>> sky is
>> >>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
>> >>> correction.
>> >>> -- AF mailing list
>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com  
>> >>> 
>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> >>>
>> >>> -- AF mailing list
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>> >>> 
>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] cNMaestro mass SM key upgrade

[Josh Luthman]

There are a couple languages that specifically interact with web pages.
I've done it for a handful of things over the years - ubnt, powercode, etc

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On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:08 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

> If it has to be done through the GUI it's going to be pretty tough to
> script it... maybe not impossible, but probably more work than doing 200 of
> them manually.
>
> If it could be done through SNMP or SSH, that would be another matter, but
> it doesn't sound like it can.
>
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:54 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>> One of you geeks has got to know a way to script this. Support can most
>> definely get you the keys if you provide the list of macs, without the ip.
>> Then the ubergeeks of afmug could script those into the radios.
>>
>> Cc cambium matt on the support ticket, that guy could hopefully pull some
>> string and get one of their geeks to get you something better.
>>
>> Geeks should never have to manually do things.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 1:45 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/2/20 11:22 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>> > here is the response i got:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Kurt,
>>> >
>>> > Thank you for contacting Cambium Networks. My name is Sri and I will
>>> > assist you with this case.
>>> >
>>> > I understand that you wish to bulk upgrade the licenses of PMP SMs
>>> using
>>> > the cnMaestro.
>>> >
>>> > Unfortunately, it is not possible to apply the license keys using the
>>> > cnMaestro. It has to be applied manually using the SM GUI.
>>>
>>>
>>> So 200 manual upgrades? Ouch.
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

[Ken Hohhof]

Steve, you need different media.

 

Or do you mean the plural of “medium” as in someone who connects you to the 
spirit world?

 

Eenie meenie chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.

Are they friendly spirits?

Friendly, just listen!

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 3:34 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

before the end of march it will clear 30, it will go as high ad 35 or 35 then 
correct to 29-31. The media nazis will blame every down on the current 
executive and say the current executive owns the market from here out, just 
like they did in the last dip. then every upstroke will be the former 
executives win. dumb

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:30 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

5.09%

Hopefully not a dead cat bounce.  I think it is going to continue to rise.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 1:51 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

Theyre going too far now: 

 

 Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average

INDEXDJX: .DJI

Follow

26,532.48 +1,123.12 (4.42%)  

 

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 12:16 PM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

& that's the Steve I love to read!  Thanks, I needed a grin...

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
> Thats why i keep all my money tied up in debt. Market fluctuations dont 
> impact it. If i owe a dollar today, i owe a dollar tomorrow, no matter 
> what the markets do. I should really become an investment advisor
> 
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 11:54 AM Adam Moffett   
> > wrote:
> 
> The point of the stock market is to invest in a company that you
> think will grow and succeed.  People making money on day to day
> price fluctuations are really skimming money /out/ of the market IMO.
> 
> also don't most (non-HFT) day traders lose money?
> 
> 
> On 3/2/2020 12:48 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
>> Look at what happened to the market before the great depression,
>> there was a month of up and downs while the market was being
>> propped/played before the floor fell out.   Historically the
>> market has always had a major crash withing the first two decades
>> of each century 1800,1900,2000's now?  The market making major
>> moves is where all the real money is made.  Way more than steady
>> growth.
>>
>> On 03/02/2020 09:06 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> So much money being made today
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:39 AM Steve Jones
>>> >>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> 26,070.31+660.95 (2.60%)
>>> Remember, I said 700 today
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:31 AM Jaime Solorza
>>> >>  
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>>> 
>>> > wrote:
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>>> You mean the Trump Slump?  lolololololololol   too easy
>>> Jaime Solorza
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>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM >>  
>>> 
>>>  > wrote:
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>>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would
>>> suggest 4 months.
>>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
>>> sky is
>>> falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this
>>> correction.
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