I never complained about what China did. I said it’s a bit extreme for the flu, don’t you think?
I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”. > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand. It seems like you > complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here. I > don't get it. > > >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> Agreed. >> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke out >> in China... immediately. No in or outbound travel of any sort. >> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... >> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to our >> nations, that are now infected. >> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix the >> issue? That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other countries >> who would then be the route to the US? >> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, and >> hold that quarantine for 60-90 days. No coming or going from the town. >> Work from home. >> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get bad >> before we do something? >> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has gone >> through. Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that horse >> has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through. >> >> >> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> ....or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that >>> stuff. >>> >>>> On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>> The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities >>>> refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that >>>> refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for >>>> anything. >>>> they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines. >>>> There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago >>>> beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody >>>> who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town >>>> closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting >>>> the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than >>>> seeking care. >>>> Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >>>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard >>>> the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was >>>> saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same >>>> way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that >>>> there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking at >>>> ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. >>>> The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly >>>> creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug out! >>>> >>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the >>>> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A >>>> hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and >>>> pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I >>>> suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital >>>> staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears >>>> to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 >>>> firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they >>>> had been to that facility. >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >>>> >>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont >>>> have enough patients >>>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die >>>> from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette! >>>> >>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and >>>> hasten the end. >>>> >>>> bp >>>> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food >>>> for tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour old >>>> baguettes. Probably the only thing in their pantry is >>>> cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end >>>> times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the >>>> end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages. >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM >>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >>>> >>>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your >>>> preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it. >>>> >>>> Just a hypothesis. >>>> >>>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the >>>> most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right >>>> minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing >>>> primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes >>>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and >>>> training. so i never understood why people on the >>>> right get very nervous about these things. a lot like >>>> devout christians worying about end times and rapture. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown >>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you >>>> guys. He is very alt right too. He might be Alex >>>> Jones... I have never seen them both at the same >>>> place at the same time. He is certain Kung flu is >>>> gonna get us all. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka >>>> Technologies <m...@mailmt.com >>>> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant >>>> and rave here. Can't do it at home, wife just >>>> rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. >>>> Chuck, I know you are saving me a few $ in >>>> therapy. So, Thank You. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s >>>> from Washington Post after all), but sounds >>>> kind of science-y. >>>> >>>> The novel coronavirus has probably been >>>> spreading undetected for about six weeks in >>>> Washington state, where the first U.S. death >>>> was reported this weekend. A genetic analysis >>>> suggests that the cases are linked through >>>> community transmission and that this has been >>>> going on for weeks, with hundreds of >>>> infections likely in the state. >>>> >>>> >>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf >>>> Of *Ken Hohhof >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >>>> >>>> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. >>>> I have not seen news reports anything close to >>>> “we are all going to die”. >>>> >>>> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no >>>> signs at all of people buying up all the Lysol >>>> and Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump >>>> bottles of foaming hand soap we like, but the >>>> shelf was full. News reports have said wash >>>> your hands and that it’s good advice for >>>> seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s >>>> doomsday advice. >>>> >>>> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are >>>> all crazy there (as usual). Actually I have >>>> to admit that I recently discovered the steaks >>>> from Walmart are actually pretty good, they >>>> were branded Tyson Fresh Meats. >>>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf >>>> Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >>>> >>>> There are only a few things we know for sure. >>>> >>>> 1. It is already in the US >>>> 2. More people in the US will get it >>>> 3. More people in the US will die. >>>> >>>> Anything other than this is pure speculation >>>> at this point. We don't know anything about >>>> this virus. Most everything I hear or read >>>> about this virus starts off with the >>>> equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE". But >>>> if you bother to listen or read the article, >>>> it always has "may" or "some experts". The >>>> current official incubation period is 2-14 >>>> days, but hey lets just report 14 days and >>>> base all our models on this and report it as >>>> the most likely scenario. We don't know how >>>> long it lives on surfaces. We don't know how >>>> it reacts to UV light. We don't know how it >>>> will do in warm/humid conditions. >>>> >>>> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's), >>>> This virus has been in the states before the >>>> first reported case. People have had it and >>>> recovered thinking it was just the flu. Not >>>> everyone exposed is going to get it. Not >>>> everyone who gets it is going to need to be >>>> hospitalized. Not everyone who gets >>>> hospitalized will die. >>>> >>>> The media once again is doing us a huge >>>> dis-service. They are hyping this thing way >>>> out of proportion. Was at Wal-mart yesterday. >>>> Every can of Lysol or Lysol type of product >>>> was gone. Every package of disinfectant wipes >>>> were gone. Every bottle of any sized hand >>>> sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest reported >>>> "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away. God >>>> forbid we get a reported case in Florida, what >>>> will happen then? Going to start burning and >>>> looting? >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Best regards, >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> >>>> >>>> ------ >>>> >>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV >>>> or any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention >>>> to as much scientifically-based information I >>>> can find though. >>>> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current >>>> knowledge without any spin: >>>> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you >>>> >>>> bp >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> >>>> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist. >>>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet says. >>>> >>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of >>>> *Steve Jones >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>>> <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT >>>> stock) >>>> >>>> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the >>>> nazis last time... russia is in asia, so >>>> russians are asians. Taking them out of the >>>> running too.... Weve said too much >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett >>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits. >>>> >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This >>>> is obviously genetically designed to target >>>> Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections >>>> are asians. Obviously this is the resurgence >>>> of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a >>>> majority of the population so they can >>>> initiate another run at global domination. My >>>> neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, >>>> carols husband Brad told her that he heard >>>> that this is what brexit was all about. >>>> Germany and Great Britian are forming an >>>> alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is >>>> a shadow government of guess what... Nazis. >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett >>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus? >>>> >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>> > I'm waiting for Godwin... >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > bp >>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>> > >>>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that >>>> literally everything is a >>>> >> "conspiracy". >>>> >> >>>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on >>>> purpose, and nobody has the >>>> >> whole picture of what happened until more >>>> time passes. In the interim >>>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information >>>> going around. People latch >>>> >> onto early bits of information that turn >>>> out to be wrong and they >>>> >> won't let go of them. >>>> >> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to >>>> distract press from Hong Kong >>>> >> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to >>>> defeat China in a trade war >>>> >> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to >>>> discredit Mexican Lager (I >>>> >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?) >>>> >> >>>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must >>>> all stock our survival bunkers. >>>> >> >>>> >> China is hiding all the information about >>>> Coronavirus. Really? Or >>>> >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time >>>> omniscient feed of all >>>> >> information so they're reporting what they >>>> think is true at the time >>>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook >>>> aren't all true. >>>> >> >>>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor. >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this >>>> discussion off topic. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here. >>>> >>> >>>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and >>>> only about a dozen actual >>>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is >>>> not a big deal. 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