On a more scientific note:

Forget most of the Newspaper stuff, this is the big boys & girls talking seriously about what to expect. I wouldn't think anyone here has more expertise in any of this stuff that these guys, so if you feel like arguing against this, "talk to the hand"

http://centerforhealthsecurity.org/cbn/     John Hopkins med chiming in!

On 03/02/2020 10:13 AM, Mark Radabaugh wrote:
Reacting with outrage to something Steve says is why he says it. Don’t take him, or yourself too seriously. Or me either for that matter.

Mark


On Mar 2, 2020, at 12:00 PM, Carl Peterson <cpeter...@portnetworks.com <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:

It's extremist to accuse me and people like me of wanting a tragic outcome, ie to want people to suffer and die. Please keep your extremist right wing BS off this list.

"If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame on the current executive" <-- This BS has no place on this list.

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:51 AM Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    Its extremist to not buy into the hype, its extremist to know what
    it would actually take to contain it if the hype were true? Pick a
    team Carl.
    how would you stop people from flooding out of a major urban area
    like chicago? just politely ask them to stay? A quarantine is a
    nothing in nothing out, literally the entire point. Or are you
    fine with letting people in a quarantine have the choice?

    On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:19 AM Carl Peterson
    <cpeter...@portnetworks.com <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>
    wrote:

        Jesus Christ Steve, could you please drop this BS!  It is
        insulting and pretty disgusting.  Keep your extremist BS on
        some right wing troll list.  It doesn't belong here.

        On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:14 AM Steve Jones
        <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>>
        wrote:

            a serious question, are they going to delay the census?
            Seems to me if this is as infectious as the media would
            like you to believe that having people going door to door
            in communities wouldnt be such a great idea.

            If the left gets what they want, a tragic outcome to blame
            on the current executive, they may have to accept the
            consequence, less house of rep seats since they get their
            seats from cities, and cities is what plagues decimate.

            On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:09 AM Ken Hohhof
            <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

                Brilliant!____

                __ __

                Maybe send them via cruise ship.____

                __ __

                __ __

                *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of
                *ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>
                *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 10:04 AM
                *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu____

                __ __

We could just send anyone with this bug to China. Problem solved. ____

                ____

                *From:*Ken Hohhof ____

                *Sent:*Monday, March 2, 2020 9:00 AM____

                *To:*'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' ____

                *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu____

                ____

                Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first
                time I heard the term “surge capacity” applied to
                hospital beds.  Person was saying US healthcare
                industry has made hospitals efficient same way as
                airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result
                that there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope
                somebody’s looking at ways to open up more facilities
                in areas where outbreaks happen.  The Chinese weren’t
                stupid with their modular approach to quickly creating
                a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug
                out!____

                ____

                I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge
                capacity” and the first page of results were mostly
                studies after Katrina.  A hurricane is worse because
                it closes down hospitals and pharmacies, eliminating
                capacity.  With the coronavirus what I suspect we need
                to guard against is infecting all the hospital staff
                and first responders so they get quarantined.  This
                appears to be happening with that nursing home in
                Kirkland, Washington.  25 firefighters are now
                quarantined as a precaution because they had been to
                that facility.____

                ____

                ____

                *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve
                Jones
                *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
                *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu____

                ____

                Chinas closing their first hospital they built since
                they dont have enough patients____

                ____

                On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince
                <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>>
                wrote:____

                    Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would
                    rather die from COVID-19 before eating an old
                    baguette!____

                    If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my
                    COPD and hasten the end.____

                    bp____

                    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>____

                    ____

                    On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:____

                        Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even
                        stock food for tonight’s dinner.  Because who
                        wants to eat 2 hour old baguettes.  Probably
                        the only thing in their pantry is cigarettes
                        and wine.  But at least if these are the end
                        times, they have cigarettes and wine while
                        they watch the end.  Who cares about Spam and
                        Vienna sausages.____

                        ____

                        *From:*AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On
                        Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
                        *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
                        *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu____

                        ____

                        You need the disaster to occur to justify all
                        your preparation.  Some part of you is rooting
                        for it.____

                        Just a hypothesis.____

                        ____

                        On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:____

                            i never understood it, on the right, we
                            tend to be the most prepared. most of the
                            die hard preppers are right minded. we
                            tend to be the most capable of utilizing
                            primal tools and food/water sources. if it
                            goes boogity, we have the best firepower
                            and ammunition and training. so i never
                            understood why people on the right get
                            very nervous about these things. a lot
                            like devout christians worying about end
                            times and rapture.____

                            ____

                            On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck
                            McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
                            <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:____

                                My oldest home - again son is much
                                worse than you guys.  He is very alt
                                right too.  He might be Alex Jones...
                                I have never seen them both at the
                                same place at the same time.  He is
                                certain Kung flu is gonna get us all. ____

                                Sent from my iPhone____

                                ____

                                    On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark -
                                    Myakka Technologies
                                    <m...@mailmt.com
                                    <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:____

                                     On a side note.  Thanks for
letting me rant and rave here. Can't do it at home, wife just
                                    rolls eyes and tells me I'm a
                                    grumpy old man.  Chuck, I know you
are saving me a few $ in therapy. So, Thank You.


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                                    Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM,
                                    you wrote:____

                                        

                                    OK, maybe this is hysterical
                                    reporting (it’s from Washington
                                    Post after all), but sounds kind
                                    of science-y.

                                    The novel coronavirus has probably
                                    been spreading undetected for
                                    about six weeks in Washington
                                    state, where the first U.S. death
                                    was reported this weekend. A
                                    genetic analysis suggests that the
                                    cases are linked through community
                                    transmission and that this has
                                    been going on for weeks, with
                                    hundreds of infections likely in
                                    the state.


                                    *From:* AF
                                    <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                                    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
                                    *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
                                    *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
                                    *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
                                    Group' <af@af.afmug.com
                                    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

                                    Must be a Florida thing, or a
                                    Walmart thing.  I have not seen
                                    news reports anything close to “we
                                    are all going to die”.

                                    And I just stopped at the grocery
                                    store, no signs at all of people
                                    buying up all the Lysol and
                                    Purell.  I did buy a couple of the
                                    pump bottles of foaming hand soap
we like, but the shelf was full. News reports have said wash your
                                    hands and that it’s good advice
                                    for seasonal flu as well, I don’t
                                    think that’s doomsday advice.

                                    I have not checked Walmart, maybe
                                    things are all crazy there (as
                                    usual).  Actually I have to admit
                                    that I recently discovered the
                                    steaks from Walmart are actually
                                    pretty good, they were branded
                                    Tyson Fresh Meats.

                                    *From:* AF
                                    <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                                    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>>
                                    *On Behalf Of *Mark - Myakka
                                    Technologies
                                    *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
                                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
                                    Group <af@af.afmug.com
                                    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

                                    There are only a few things we
                                    know for sure.

                                    1. It is already in the US
                                    2. More people in the US will get it
                                    3. More people in the US will die.

                                    Anything other than this is pure
                                    speculation at this point.  We
                                    don't know anything about this
                                    virus.  Most everything I hear or
                                    read about this virus starts off
                                    with the equivalent of "WE ARE ALL
                                    GOING TO DIE".  But if you bother
                                    to listen or read the article, it
                                    always has "may" or "some
                                    experts".  The current official
                                    incubation period is 2-14 days,
                                    but hey lets just report 14 days
                                    and base all our models on this
                                    and report it as the most likely
                                    scenario.  We don't know how long
                                    it lives on surfaces.  We don't
know how it reacts to UV light. We don't know how it will do in
                                    warm/humid conditions.

                                    My opinion (just as valid as
                                    anyone else's),  This virus has
                                    been in the states before the
                                    first reported case.  People have
                                    had it and recovered thinking it
                                    was just the flu. Not everyone
                                    exposed is going to get it.  Not
                                    everyone who gets it is going to
                                    need to be hospitalized.  Not
                                    everyone who gets hospitalized
                                    will die.

                                    The media once again is doing us a
                                    huge dis-service. They are hyping
                                    this thing  way out of
                                    proportion.  Was at Wal-mart
                                    yesterday. Every can of Lysol or
Lysol type of product was gone. Every package of disinfectant
                                    wipes were gone.  Every bottle of
any sized hand sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest reported
                                    "maybe" case is over 1300 miles
                                    away.  God forbid we get a
                                    reported case in Florida, what
                                    will happen then?  Going to start
                                    burning and looting?


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                                    Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM,
                                    you wrote:____

                                        

                                    I am not a doctor. I don't even
                                    play one on TV or any podcasts or
                                    blogs. I do pay attention to as
                                    much scientifically-based
                                    information I can find though.
                                    This is a pretty good synopsis on
                                    our current knowledge without any
                                    spin:
                                    
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you

                                    bp
                                    <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                                    On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof
                                    wrote:____

                                        

                                    Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a
                                    socialist.  Therefore Bernie is a
                                    Nazi.  So the Internet says.

                                    *From:*AF
                                    mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On
                                    Behalf Of *Steve Jones
                                    *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020
                                    10:48 AM
                                    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users
                                    Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
                                    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT:
                                    Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

                                    thats the secret, remember russia
                                    shafted the nazis last time...
                                    russia is in asia, so russians are
                                    asians. Taking them out of the
                                    running too.... Weve said too much

                                    On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM
                                    Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
                                    <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
                                    wrote:____

                                        

                                    Nazis also hate Communists.  It
                                    all fits.

                                    On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones
                                    wrote:____

                                        

                                    Im suprised that hasnt gotten
                                    traction. This is obviously
                                    genetically designed to target
                                    Asians. The proof is that 99% of
                                    infections are asians. Obviously
                                    this is the resurgence of the Nazi
                                    party trying to eliminate a
                                    majority of the population so they
                                    can initiate another run at global
                                    domination. My neighbors mom,
                                    Karen told me that her friend,
                                    carols husband Brad told her that
                                    he heard that this is what brexit
                                    was all about. Germany and Great
                                    Britian are forming an alliance
                                    now. Its all hush hush, but there
                                    is a shadow government of guess
                                    what... Nazis.

                                    On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM
                                    Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
                                    <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>>
                                    wrote:____

                                        

                                    You mean.....Nazi's created
                                    Coronavirus?

                                    On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince
                                    wrote:
                                    > I'm waiting for Godwin...
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > bp
                                    > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
                                    >
                                    > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>> The thing driving me nuts right now is that literally everything is a >> "conspiracy".
                                    >>
>> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on purpose, and nobody has the >> whole picture of what happened until more time passes. In the interim >> there's a lot of conflicting information going around. People latch >> onto early bits of information that turn out to be wrong and they >> won't let go of them.
                                    >>
                                    >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese 
to distract press from Hong Kong
                                    >>
                                    >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to 
defeat China in a trade war
                                    >>
>> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to discredit Mexican Lager (I >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?)
                                    >>
                                    >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must 
all stock our survival bunkers.
                                    >>
>> China is hiding all the information about Coronavirus. Really? Or >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time omniscient feed of all >> information so they're reporting what they think is true at the time >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook aren't all true.
                                    >>
                                    >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
                                    >>> Starting a new thread to make this 
discussion off topic.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
                                    >>>
>>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and only about a dozen actual >>> infections. I am still thinking this is not a big deal. Novel >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious than SARS, but not >>> particularly deadly.
                                    >>>
                                    >>
                                    >

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