The elderly are very vulnerable to flu death, which seems to be the case with Covid-19 if you listen to the CDC. A vast majority of deaths are with people suffering from other respiratory issues. When I was serving on a hospital board the census count had a line for Elderly repritory and it was always about a third of people in the hospital at a minimum. Sometimes, they were the only ones there in that small rural hospital.
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm currently in the overreaction camp. I found this article quite > illuminating about flu in Connecticut: > > > https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php > > "10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT) > "2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this season" > "The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths > this season to 58" (in CT) > > That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting. > > We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky > healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention > to it unless you are at risk. I'd even wager that once a vaccine is > available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will > bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine). > > I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top. As someone else > mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the > 1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the > only time anyone watches the weather channel. ;-). We humans love us some > drama! > > Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK. > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes < > mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: > >> I never complained about what China did. I said it’s a bit extreme for >> the flu, don’t you think? >> >> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”. >> >> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > >> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand. It seems like you >> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here. I >> don't get it. >> > >> > >> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> >> Agreed. >> >> >> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first >> broke out in China... immediately. No in or outbound travel of any sort. >> >> >> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... >> finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to >> our nations, that are now infected. >> >> >> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would >> fix the issue? That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other >> countries who would then be the route to the US? >> >> >> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, >> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days. No coming or going from the >> town. Work from home. >> >> >> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get >> bad before we do something? >> >> >> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has >> gone through. Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that >> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>> ....or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all >> that stuff. >> >>> >> >>>> On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>>> The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by >> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place >> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for >> anything. >> >>>> they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines. >> >>>> There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like >> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting >> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, >> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with >> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out >> rather than seeking care. >> >>>> Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto: >> af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard >> >>>> the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was >> >>>> saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same >> >>>> way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that >> >>>> there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking >> at >> >>>> ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks >> happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to >> quickly >> >>>> creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug >> out! >> >>>> >> >>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the >> >>>> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A >> >>>> hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and >> >>>> pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I >> >>>> suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital >> >>>> staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This appears >> >>>> to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. >> 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they >> >>>> had been to that facility. >> >>>> >> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM >> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >> >>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >>>> >> >>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont >> >>>> have enough patients >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com >> >>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die >> >>>> from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette! >> >>>> >> >>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and >> >>>> hasten the end. >> >>>> >> >>>> bp >> >>>> >> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food >> >>>> for tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour >> old >> >>>> baguettes. Probably the only thing in their pantry is >> >>>> cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end >> >>>> times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the >> >>>> end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages. >> >>>> >> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam >> Moffett >> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM >> >>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >>>> >> >>>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your >> >>>> preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it. >> >>>> >> >>>> Just a hypothesis. >> >>>> >> >>>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be >> the >> >>>> most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are >> right >> >>>> minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing >> >>>> primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes >> >>>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition >> and >> >>>> training. so i never understood why people on the >> >>>> right get very nervous about these things. a lot like >> >>>> devout christians worying about end times and >> rapture. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown >> >>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than you >> >>>> guys. He is very alt right too. He might be Alex >> >>>> Jones... I have never seen them both at the same >> >>>> place at the same time. He is certain Kung flu >> is >> >>>> gonna get us all. >> >>>> >> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka >> >>>> Technologies <m...@mailmt.com >> >>>> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> On a side note. Thanks for letting me rant >> >>>> and rave here. Can't do it at home, wife >> just >> >>>> rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man. >> >>>> Chuck, I know you are saving me a few $ in >> >>>> therapy. So, Thank You. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Best regards, >> >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >>>> >> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >> >>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------ >> >>>> >> >>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s >> >>>> from Washington Post after all), but sounds >> >>>> kind of science-y. >> >>>> >> >>>> The novel coronavirus has probably been >> >>>> spreading undetected for about six weeks in >> >>>> Washington state, where the first U.S. death >> >>>> was reported this weekend. A genetic analysis >> >>>> suggests that the cases are linked through >> >>>> community transmission and that this has been >> >>>> going on for weeks, with hundreds of >> >>>> infections likely in the state. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf >> >>>> Of *Ken Hohhof >> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM >> >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >>>> >> >>>> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart >> thing. I have not seen news reports anything close >> to >> >>>> “we are all going to die”. >> >>>> >> >>>> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no >> >>>> signs at all of people buying up all the >> Lysol >> >>>> and Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump >> >>>> bottles of foaming hand soap we like, but the >> >>>> shelf was full. News reports have said wash >> >>>> your hands and that it’s good advice for >> >>>> seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s >> >>>> doomsday advice. >> >>>> >> >>>> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are >> >>>> all crazy there (as usual). Actually I have >> >>>> to admit that I recently discovered the >> steaks >> >>>> from Walmart are actually pretty good, they >> >>>> were branded Tyson Fresh Meats. >> >>>> >> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf >> >>>> Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies >> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM >> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >> >>>> >> >>>> There are only a few things we know for sure. >> >>>> >> >>>> 1. It is already in the US >> >>>> 2. More people in the US will get it >> >>>> 3. More people in the US will die. >> >>>> >> >>>> Anything other than this is pure speculation >> >>>> at this point. We don't know anything about >> >>>> this virus. Most everything I hear or read >> >>>> about this virus starts off with the >> >>>> equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE". But >> >>>> if you bother to listen or read the article, >> >>>> it always has "may" or "some experts". The >> >>>> current official incubation period is 2-14 >> >>>> days, but hey lets just report 14 days and >> >>>> base all our models on this and report it as >> >>>> the most likely scenario. We don't know how >> >>>> long it lives on surfaces. We don't know how >> >>>> it reacts to UV light. We don't know how it >> >>>> will do in warm/humid conditions. >> >>>> >> >>>> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's), >> >>>> This virus has been in the states before the >> >>>> first reported case. People have had it and >> >>>> recovered thinking it was just the flu. Not >> >>>> everyone exposed is going to get it. Not >> >>>> everyone who gets it is going to need to be >> >>>> hospitalized. Not everyone who gets >> >>>> hospitalized will die. >> >>>> >> >>>> The media once again is doing us a huge >> >>>> dis-service. They are hyping this thing way >> >>>> out of proportion. Was at Wal-mart >> yesterday. >> >>>> Every can of Lysol or Lysol type of product >> >>>> was gone. Every package of disinfectant wipes >> >>>> were gone. Every bottle of any sized hand >> >>>> sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest >> reported >> >>>> "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away. God >> >>>> forbid we get a reported case in Florida, >> what >> >>>> will happen then? Going to start burning and >> >>>> looting? >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Best regards, >> >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >> >>>> >> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >> >>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> >> >>>> >> >>>> ------ >> >>>> >> >>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on >> TV >> >>>> or any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention >> >>>> to as much scientifically-based information I >> >>>> can find though. >> >>>> This is a pretty good synopsis on our current >> >>>> knowledge without any spin: >> >>>> >> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you >> >>>> >> >>>> bp >> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >>>> >> >>>> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a socialist. >> >>>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the Internet >> says. >> >>>> >> >>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf >> Of >> >>>> *Steve Jones >> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM >> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was >> UBNT >> >>>> stock) >> >>>> >> >>>> thats the secret, remember russia shafted the >> >>>> nazis last time... russia is in asia, so >> >>>> russians are asians. Taking them out of the >> >>>> running too.... Weve said too much >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett >> >>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com >> >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits. >> >>>> >> >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This >> >>>> is obviously genetically designed to target >> >>>> Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections >> >>>> are asians. Obviously this is the resurgence >> >>>> of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a >> >>>> majority of the population so they can >> >>>> initiate another run at global domination. My >> >>>> neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend, >> >>>> carols husband Brad told her that he heard >> >>>> that this is what brexit was all about. >> >>>> Germany and Great Britian are forming an >> >>>> alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is >> >>>> a shadow government of guess what... Nazis. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett >> >>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com >> >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus? >> >>>> >> >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >>>> > I'm waiting for Godwin... >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > bp >> >>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >> >>>> > >> >>>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is >> that >> >>>> literally everything is a >> >>>> >> "conspiracy". >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on >> >>>> purpose, and nobody has the >> >>>> >> whole picture of what happened until more >> >>>> time passes. In the interim >> >>>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information >> >>>> going around. People latch >> >>>> >> onto early bits of information that turn >> >>>> out to be wrong and they >> >>>> >> won't let go of them. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to >> >>>> distract press from Hong Kong >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to >> >>>> defeat China in a trade war >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to >> >>>> discredit Mexican Lager (I >> >>>> >> mean that one's obviously a >> joke.....right?) >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must >> >>>> all stock our survival bunkers. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> China is hiding all the information about >> >>>> Coronavirus. Really? Or >> >>>> >> maybe they just don't have a live >> real-time >> >>>> omniscient feed of all >> >>>> >> information so they're reporting what they >> >>>> think is true at the time >> >>>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook >> >>>> aren't all true. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor. >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >>>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this >> >>>> discussion off topic. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here. >> >>>> >>> >> >>>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and >> >>>> only about a dozen actual >> >>>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is >> >>>> not a big deal. 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