Agreed.

We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first broke out in China... immediately. No in or outbound travel of any sort.

Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they pleased... finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow travel to our nations, that are now infected.

How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would fix the issue? That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other countries who would then be the route to the US?

We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days. No coming or going from the town. Work from home.

Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to get bad before we do something?

Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has gone through. Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through.



On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
....or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all that stuff.

On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for anything.
they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines.
There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out rather than seeking care.
Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon

On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote:

    Maybe they can send it to us.  Today for the first time I heard
    the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds.  Person was
    saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same
    way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that
    there’s not much surge capacity.  Let’s hope somebody’s looking at
ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to quickly
    creating a field hospital.  Reminds me of MASH.  Time for a bug out!

    I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and the
    first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina.  A
    hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and
    pharmacies, eliminating capacity.  With the coronavirus what I
    suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital
    staff and first responders so they get quarantined.  This appears
to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, Washington. 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because they
    had been to that facility.

    *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
    *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM
    *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com
    <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

    Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont
    have enough patients

    On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
    <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die
        from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette!

        If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and
        hasten the end.

        bp

        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

            Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food
            for tonight’s dinner.  Because who wants to eat 2 hour old
            baguettes.  Probably the only thing in their pantry is
            cigarettes and wine.  But at least if these are the end
            times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch the
            end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages.

            *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
            <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam Moffett
            *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM
            *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
            *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

            You need the disaster to occur to justify all your
            preparation.  Some part of you is rooting for it.

            Just a hypothesis.

            On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

                i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be the
                most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are right
                minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing
                primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes
                boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition and
                training. so i never understood why people on the
                right get very nervous about these things. a lot like
                devout christians worying about end times and rapture.

                On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown
                <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

                    My oldest home - again son is much worse than you
                    guys.  He is very alt right too. He might be Alex
                    Jones... I have never seen them both at the same
                    place at the same time.  He is certain Kung flu is
                    gonna get us all.

                    Sent from my iPhone

                        On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka
                        Technologies <m...@mailmt.com
                        <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote:

                         On a side note.  Thanks for letting me rant
                        and rave here.  Can't do it at home, wife just
                        rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old man.
                        Chuck, I know you are saving me a few $ in
                        therapy.  So, Thank You.


                        --
                        Best regards,
                        Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

                        Myakka Technologies, Inc.
                        www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>

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                        Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you wrote:


                                

                        OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s
                        from Washington Post after all), but sounds
                        kind of science-y.

                        The novel coronavirus has probably been
                        spreading undetected for about six weeks in
                        Washington state, where the first U.S. death
                        was reported this weekend. A genetic analysis
                        suggests that the cases are linked through
                        community transmission and that this has been
                        going on for weeks, with hundreds of
                        infections likely in the state.


                        *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf
                        Of *Ken Hohhof
                        *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM
                        *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
                        <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart thing. I have not seen news reports anything close to
                        “we are all going to die”.

                        And I just stopped at the grocery store, no
                        signs at all of people buying up all the Lysol
                        and Purell.  I did buy a couple of the pump
                        bottles of foaming hand soap we like, but the
                        shelf was full.  News reports have said wash
                        your hands and that it’s good advice for
                        seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s
                        doomsday advice.

                        I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are
                        all crazy there (as usual).  Actually I have
                        to admit that I recently discovered the steaks
                        from Walmart are actually pretty good, they
                        were branded Tyson Fresh Meats.

                        *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com
                        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf
                        Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies
                        *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM
                        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                        <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu

                        There are only a few things we know for sure.

                        1. It is already in the US
                        2. More people in the US will get it
                        3. More people in the US will die.

                        Anything other than this is pure speculation
                        at this point.  We don't know anything about
                        this virus.  Most everything I hear or read
                        about this virus starts off with the
                        equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE".  But
                        if you bother to listen or read the article,
                        it always has "may" or "some experts". The
                        current official incubation period is 2-14
                        days, but hey lets just report 14 days and
                        base all our models on this and report it as
                        the most likely scenario.  We don't know how
                        long it lives on surfaces.  We don't know how
                        it reacts to UV light.  We don't know how it
                        will do in warm/humid conditions.

                        My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's),
                         This virus has been in the states before the
                        first reported case.  People have had it and
                        recovered thinking it was just the flu. Not
                        everyone exposed is going to get it.  Not
                        everyone who gets it is going to need to be
                        hospitalized.  Not everyone who gets
                        hospitalized will die.

                        The media once again is doing us a huge
                        dis-service. They are hyping this thing  way
                        out of proportion.  Was at Wal-mart yesterday.
                        Every can of Lysol or Lysol type of product
                        was gone. Every package of disinfectant wipes
                        were gone.  Every bottle of any sized hand
                        sanitizer, gone.  Crazy.  The closest reported
                        "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away.  God
                        forbid we get a reported case in Florida, what
                        will happen then?  Going to start burning and
                        looting?


                        --
                        Best regards,
                        Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com

                        Myakka Technologies, Inc.
                        www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com>

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                        Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you wrote:


                                

                        I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on TV
                        or any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention
                        to as much scientifically-based information I
                        can find though.
                        This is a pretty good synopsis on our current
                        knowledge without any spin:
                        
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you

                        bp
                        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

                        On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


                                

                        Nazis are socialists.  Bernie is a socialist.
                        Therefore Bernie is a Nazi.  So the Internet says.

                        *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com>
                        <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of
                        *Steve Jones
                        *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM
                        *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
                        <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>
                        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT
                        stock)

                        thats the secret, remember russia shafted the
                        nazis last time... russia is in asia, so
                        russians are asians. Taking them out of the
                        running too.... Weve said too much

                        On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam Moffett
                        <dmmoff...@gmail.com
                        <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


                                

                        Nazis also hate Communists.  It all fits.

                        On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


                                

                        Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This
                        is obviously genetically designed to target
                        Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections
                        are asians. Obviously this is the resurgence
                        of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a
                        majority of the population so they can
                        initiate another run at global domination. My
                        neighbors mom, Karen told me that her friend,
                        carols husband Brad told her that he heard
                        that this is what brexit was all about.
                        Germany and Great Britian are forming an
                        alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there is
                        a shadow government of guess what... Nazis.

                        On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam Moffett
                        <dmmoff...@gmail.com
                        <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:


                                

                        You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus?

                        On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
                        > I'm waiting for Godwin...
                        >
                        >
                        > bp
                        > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
                        >
                        > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
                        >> The thing driving me nuts right now is that
                        literally everything is a
                        >> "conspiracy".
                        >>
                        >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on
                        purpose, and nobody has the
                        >> whole picture of what happened until more
                        time passes. In the interim
                        >> there's a lot of conflicting information
                        going around. People latch
                        >> onto early bits of information that turn
                        out to be wrong and they
                        >> won't let go of them.
                        >>
                        >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to
                        distract press from Hong Kong
                        >>
                        >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to
                        defeat China in a trade war
                        >>
                        >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to
                        discredit Mexican Lager (I
                        >> mean that one's obviously a joke.....right?)
                        >>
                        >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must
                        all stock our survival bunkers.
                        >>
                        >> China is hiding all the information about
                        Coronavirus. Really? Or
                        >> maybe they just don't have a live real-time
                        omniscient feed of all
                        >> information so they're reporting what they
                        think is true at the time
                        >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook
                        aren't all true.
                        >>
                        >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor.
                        >>
                        >>
                        >>
                        >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
                        >>> Starting a new thread to make this
                        discussion off topic.
                        >>>
                        >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here.
                        >>>
                        >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, and
                        only about a dozen actual
                        >>> infections. I am still thinking this is
                        not a big deal. Novel
                        >>> Coronavirus appears to be more infectious
                        than SARS, but not
                        >>> particularly deadly.
                        >>>
                        >>
                        >

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