AGE DEATH RATE confirmed cases DEATH RATE all cases 80+ years old 21.9% 14.8% 70-79 years old 8.0% 60-69 years old 3.6% 50-59 years old 1.3% 40-49 years old 0.4% 30-39 years old 0.2% 20-29 years old 0.2% 10-19 years old 0.2% 0-9 years old no fatalities
On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 3:04 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > The elderly are very vulnerable to flu death, which seems to be the case > with Covid-19 if you listen to the CDC. A vast majority of deaths are > with people suffering from other respiratory issues. When I was serving on > a hospital board the census count had a line for Elderly repritory and it > was always about a third of people in the hospital at a minimum. Sometimes, > they were the only ones there in that small rural hospital. > > On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 2:27 PM Harold Bledsoe <hbledso...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I'm currently in the overreaction camp. I found this article quite >> illuminating about flu in Connecticut: >> >> >> https://www.ctpost.com/local/article/State-Nine-new-flu-deaths-total-at-58-for-season-15089946.php >> >> "10,286 people have tested positive for the flu this season" (in CT) >> "2,230 people in Connecticut has been hospitalized due to flu this >> season" >> "The latest group of flu-associated deaths brings the total of deaths >> this season to 58" (in CT) >> >> That's a higher hospitalization rate than I was expecting. >> >> We've had flu going around killing "at-risk" folks and other unlucky >> healthy people for quite a while so no one really pays that much attention >> to it unless you are at risk. I'd even wager that once a vaccine is >> available next year after this mania passes, less than half of folks will >> bother to get it (similar to flu vaccine). >> >> I do feel like the coverage is a bit over the top. As someone else >> mentioned earlier, it is like when a hurricane is coming and you are in the >> 1000 mile cone of uncertainty - it's all the news folks talk about and the >> only time anyone watches the weather channel. ;-). We humans love us some >> drama! >> >> Just do what you would do to avoid the flu and you'll probably be OK. >> >> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 1:27 PM Matt Hoppes < >> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote: >> >>> I never complained about what China did. I said it’s a bit extreme for >>> the flu, don’t you think? >>> >>> I don’t think this is “just the flu, bro”. >>> >>> > On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:33 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Matt, I honestly am unsure where you really stand. It seems like you >>> complain about a Draconian response in China while advocating one here. I >>> don't get it. >>> > >>> > >>> >> On 3/2/2020 11:26 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >>> >> Agreed. >>> >> >>> >> We should have shut down our borders 3 months ago when this first >>> broke out in China... immediately. No in or outbound travel of any sort. >>> >> >>> >> Instead, we continued to allow folks to come and go as they >>> pleased... finally shutting down travel to China, but continuing to allow >>> travel to our nations, that are now infected. >>> >> >>> >> How stupid are we to think that blocking travel to just China would >>> fix the issue? That folks in China wouldn't contaminate folks in other >>> countries who would then be the route to the US? >>> >> >>> >> We need to immediately quarantine every state, if not town in the US, >>> and hold that quarantine for 60-90 days. No coming or going from the >>> town. Work from home. >>> >> >>> >> Yes, maybe it's "no bad yet", but why do we need to wait for it to >>> get bad before we do something? >>> >> >>> >> Here in the US we continually shut the barn door after the horse has >>> gone through. Often we shut a door specific for a kind of horse after that >>> horse has gone through, allowing other horses to continue to get through. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >>> On 3/2/20 11:20 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>> ....or we could advocate calm and rational responses instead of all >>> that stuff. >>> >>> >>> >>>> On 3/2/2020 11:09 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>>> The problem is the existing plague plans are being shut down by >>> localities refusing to let them utilize spaces as was the design. Any place >>> that refuses should never be allotted a single penny of federal funding for >>> anything. >>> >>>> they have what, like 10k beds in the CDC quarantines. >>> >>>> There is no viable solution for a major outbreak in a city like >>> chicago beyond patriots putting a fireline around the city and shooting >>> anybody who tries to exit. Is what it is. Hopefully of it gets boogity, >>> every town closes their highway off-ramps. If the media has their way with >>> getting the hype up, the spread will be crazy from people fanning out >>> rather than seeking care. >>> >>>> Thermal scopes on AR-15s are probably going to be a thing soon >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020 at 10:01 AM Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com >>> <mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Maybe they can send it to us. Today for the first time I heard >>> >>>> the term “surge capacity” applied to hospital beds. Person was >>> >>>> saying US healthcare industry has made hospitals efficient same >>> >>>> way as airlines, aim for zero empty beds, with the result that >>> >>>> there’s not much surge capacity. Let’s hope somebody’s looking >>> at >>> >>>> ways to open up more facilities in areas where outbreaks >>> happen. The Chinese weren’t stupid with their modular approach to >>> quickly >>> >>>> creating a field hospital. Reminds me of MASH. Time for a bug >>> out! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I did a quick Google search for “hospital surge capacity” and >>> the >>> >>>> first page of results were mostly studies after Katrina. A >>> >>>> hurricane is worse because it closes down hospitals and >>> >>>> pharmacies, eliminating capacity. With the coronavirus what I >>> >>>> suspect we need to guard against is infecting all the hospital >>> >>>> staff and first responders so they get quarantined. This >>> appears >>> >>>> to be happening with that nursing home in Kirkland, >>> Washington. 25 firefighters are now quarantined as a precaution because >>> they >>> >>>> had been to that facility. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones >>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 8:44 AM >>> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com >>> >>>> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Chinas closing their first hospital they built since they dont >>> >>>> have enough patients >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2020, 8:42 AM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com >>> >>>> <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Perish the thought! 3-hour-old baguettes! I would rather die >>> >>>> from COVID-19 before eating an old baguette! >>> >>>> >>> >>>> If I smoke another cigarette, I can aggravate my COPD and >>> >>>> hasten the end. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> bp >>> >>>> >>> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 3/2/2020 5:57 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Well, the French are screwed, they don’t even stock food >>> >>>> for tonight’s dinner. Because who wants to eat 2 hour >>> old >>> >>>> baguettes. Probably the only thing in their pantry is >>> >>>> cigarettes and wine. But at least if these are the end >>> >>>> times, they have cigarettes and wine while they watch >>> the >>> >>>> end. Who cares about Spam and Vienna sausages. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >>> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On Behalf Of *Adam >>> Moffett >>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2020 6:25 AM >>> >>>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >>> >>>> >>> >>>> You need the disaster to occur to justify all your >>> >>>> preparation. Some part of you is rooting for it. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Just a hypothesis. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 3/1/2020 10:15 PM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> i never understood it, on the right, we tend to be >>> the >>> >>>> most prepared. most of the die hard preppers are >>> right >>> >>>> minded. we tend to be the most capable of utilizing >>> >>>> primal tools and food/water sources. if it goes >>> >>>> boogity, we have the best firepower and ammunition >>> and >>> >>>> training. so i never understood why people on the >>> >>>> right get very nervous about these things. a lot >>> like >>> >>>> devout christians worying about end times and >>> rapture. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 1, 2020 at 8:09 PM Chuck McCown >>> >>>> <ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> My oldest home - again son is much worse than >>> you >>> >>>> guys. He is very alt right too. He might be >>> Alex >>> >>>> Jones... I have never seen them both at the same >>> >>>> place at the same time. He is certain Kung flu >>> is >>> >>>> gonna get us all. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 6:14 PM, Mark - Myakka >>> >>>> Technologies <m...@mailmt.com >>> >>>> <mailto:m...@mailmt.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On a side note. Thanks for letting me >>> rant >>> >>>> and rave here. Can't do it at home, wife >>> just >>> >>>> rolls eyes and tells me I'm a grumpy old >>> man. >>> >>>> Chuck, I know you are saving me a few $ in >>> >>>> therapy. So, Thank You. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Best regards, >>> >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>> >>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ------ >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 7:47:53 PM, you >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> OK, maybe this is hysterical reporting (it’s >>> >>>> from Washington Post after all), but sounds >>> >>>> kind of science-y. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The novel coronavirus has probably been >>> >>>> spreading undetected for about six weeks in >>> >>>> Washington state, where the first U.S. death >>> >>>> was reported this weekend. A genetic >>> analysis >>> >>>> suggests that the cases are linked through >>> >>>> community transmission and that this has >>> been >>> >>>> going on for weeks, with hundreds of >>> >>>> infections likely in the state. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf >>> >>>> Of *Ken Hohhof >>> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 6:21 PM >>> >>>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' >>> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Must be a Florida thing, or a Walmart >>> thing. I have not seen news reports anything close >>> to >>> >>>> “we are all going to die”. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> And I just stopped at the grocery store, no >>> >>>> signs at all of people buying up all the >>> Lysol >>> >>>> and Purell. I did buy a couple of the pump >>> >>>> bottles of foaming hand soap we like, but >>> the >>> >>>> shelf was full. News reports have said wash >>> >>>> your hands and that it’s good advice for >>> >>>> seasonal flu as well, I don’t think that’s >>> >>>> doomsday advice. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I have not checked Walmart, maybe things are >>> >>>> all crazy there (as usual). Actually I have >>> >>>> to admit that I recently discovered the >>> steaks >>> >>>> from Walmart are actually pretty good, they >>> >>>> were branded Tyson Fresh Meats. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> *From:* AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com >>> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> *On Behalf >>> >>>> Of *Mark - Myakka Technologies >>> >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:53 PM >>> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>> >>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu >>> >>>> >>> >>>> There are only a few things we know for >>> sure. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> 1. It is already in the US >>> >>>> 2. More people in the US will get it >>> >>>> 3. More people in the US will die. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Anything other than this is pure speculation >>> >>>> at this point. We don't know anything about >>> >>>> this virus. Most everything I hear or read >>> >>>> about this virus starts off with the >>> >>>> equivalent of "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE". >>> But >>> >>>> if you bother to listen or read the article, >>> >>>> it always has "may" or "some experts". The >>> >>>> current official incubation period is 2-14 >>> >>>> days, but hey lets just report 14 days and >>> >>>> base all our models on this and report it as >>> >>>> the most likely scenario. We don't know how >>> >>>> long it lives on surfaces. We don't know >>> how >>> >>>> it reacts to UV light. We don't know how it >>> >>>> will do in warm/humid conditions. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> My opinion (just as valid as anyone else's), >>> >>>> This virus has been in the states before >>> the >>> >>>> first reported case. People have had it and >>> >>>> recovered thinking it was just the flu. Not >>> >>>> everyone exposed is going to get it. Not >>> >>>> everyone who gets it is going to need to be >>> >>>> hospitalized. Not everyone who gets >>> >>>> hospitalized will die. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> The media once again is doing us a huge >>> >>>> dis-service. They are hyping this thing way >>> >>>> out of proportion. Was at Wal-mart >>> yesterday. >>> >>>> Every can of Lysol or Lysol type of product >>> >>>> was gone. Every package of disinfectant >>> wipes >>> >>>> were gone. Every bottle of any sized hand >>> >>>> sanitizer, gone. Crazy. The closest >>> reported >>> >>>> "maybe" case is over 1300 miles away. God >>> >>>> forbid we get a reported case in Florida, >>> what >>> >>>> will happen then? Going to start burning >>> and >>> >>>> looting? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> Best regards, >>> >>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>> >>>> www.Myakka.com <http://www.Myakka.com> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> ------ >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Sunday, March 1, 2020, 3:55:47 PM, you >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> I am not a doctor. I don't even play one on >>> TV >>> >>>> or any podcasts or blogs. I do pay attention >>> >>>> to as much scientifically-based information >>> I >>> >>>> can find though. >>> >>>> This is a pretty good synopsis on our >>> current >>> >>>> knowledge without any spin: >>> >>>> >>> https://www.sciencenews.org/article/what-new-phase-coronavirus-outbreak-united-states-means-you >>> >>>> >>> >>>> bp >>> >>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 2/10/2020 8:53 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Nazis are socialists. Bernie is a >>> socialist. >>> >>>> Therefore Bernie is a Nazi. So the >>> Internet says. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> *From:*AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> >>> >>>> <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> *On >>> Behalf Of >>> >>>> *Steve Jones >>> >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 10, 2020 10:48 AM >>> >>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group >>> >>>> <af@af.afmug.com> <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >>> >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was >>> UBNT >>> >>>> stock) >>> >>>> >>> >>>> thats the secret, remember russia shafted >>> the >>> >>>> nazis last time... russia is in asia, so >>> >>>> russians are asians. Taking them out of the >>> >>>> running too.... Weve said too much >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:45 AM Adam >>> Moffett >>> >>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>> >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Nazis also hate Communists. It all fits. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:41 AM, Steve Jones wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Im suprised that hasnt gotten traction. This >>> >>>> is obviously genetically designed to target >>> >>>> Asians. The proof is that 99% of infections >>> >>>> are asians. Obviously this is the resurgence >>> >>>> of the Nazi party trying to eliminate a >>> >>>> majority of the population so they can >>> >>>> initiate another run at global domination. >>> My >>> >>>> neighbors mom, Karen told me that her >>> friend, >>> >>>> carols husband Brad told her that he heard >>> >>>> that this is what brexit was all about. >>> >>>> Germany and Great Britian are forming an >>> >>>> alliance now. Its all hush hush, but there >>> is >>> >>>> a shadow government of guess what... Nazis. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 10:33 AM Adam >>> Moffett >>> >>>> <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>> >>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> You mean.....Nazi's created Coronavirus? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On 2/10/2020 11:30 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>>> > I'm waiting for Godwin... >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > bp >>> >>>> > <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>> >>>> > >>> >>>> > On 2/10/2020 8:26 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >>> >>>> >> The thing driving me nuts right now is >>> that >>> >>>> literally everything is a >>> >>>> >> "conspiracy". >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Sometimes stuff happens, nobody did it on >>> >>>> purpose, and nobody has the >>> >>>> >> whole picture of what happened until more >>> >>>> time passes. In the interim >>> >>>> >> there's a lot of conflicting information >>> >>>> going around. People latch >>> >>>> >> onto early bits of information that turn >>> >>>> out to be wrong and they >>> >>>> >> won't let go of them. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the Chinese to >>> >>>> distract press from Hong Kong >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by the USA to >>> >>>> defeat China in a trade war >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Coronavirus was created by Budweiser to >>> >>>> discredit Mexican Lager (I >>> >>>> >> mean that one's obviously a >>> joke.....right?) >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> Coronavirus will kill us all and we must >>> >>>> all stock our survival bunkers. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> China is hiding all the information about >>> >>>> Coronavirus. Really? Or >>> >>>> >> maybe they just don't have a live >>> real-time >>> >>>> omniscient feed of all >>> >>>> >> information so they're reporting what >>> they >>> >>>> think is true at the time >>> >>>> >> it's said, or maybe rumors on Facebook >>> >>>> aren't all true. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> See Hanlon's Razor and Occam's Razor. >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> >>> >>>> >> On 2/10/2020 11:03 AM, Bill Prince wrote: >>> >>>> >>> Starting a new thread to make this >>> >>>> discussion off topic. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> I had my flu shot BTW. No fever here. >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>> >>> Still zero reported deaths in the US, >>> and >>> >>>> only about a dozen actual >>> >>>> >>> infections. I am still thinking this is >>> >>>> not a big deal. 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