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Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?

Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week. 

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[AFMUG] Important - quick to sign

2020-02-29 Thread Paul McCall

Surprised this wasn't posted here before...  a letter to government  in RE: 6 
Ghz spectrum being available to WISPs

https://forms.gle/KDAu7JsyVMdbFhoZ8



Paul McCall, President
Florida Broadband / PDMNet
658 Old Dixie Highway
Vero Beach, FL 32962
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside mainland 
china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm on.   The answer 
always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that somewhere else hasn't figured 
out how to replicate what China is doing as far as the circuit boards go, even 
if it was double the price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 
20 times the price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost 
$20 to get made in the USA. 

So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier in China. 
  Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like they're close to caught 
up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for 
anything we're currently shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and 
we don't have to worry so much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 
3 boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that the 
backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

  Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply chain they 
have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the infrastructure, much less 
the slip set to do it  
  I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it is years 
away. 

  On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies will announce 
contracts to move production to another country, like within the next two 
weeks. Many other will follow suit, diversity in production is probably going 
to decimate the chinese economy. 
I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will quell the 
downward spiral, a short recovery on monday. 
Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease tarriffs on 
humanitarian reasons
By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still present, it will 
be less impactful.
Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are beginning to 
stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance comes on board, its loose in 
california, and they poop on the streets, so there will be some controlled 
outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is here, excluding 
some major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this will have major 
geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in the markets). its 
probably going to do some harm in africa with the locusts, but i dont know that 
africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola running around.
By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early april it will 
pass 30, that will drive an april speculative growth between 33 and 35 that 
will correct back down to 29-31 in may.
around this time production will be back to normal, and the reorganized 
sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine will be moving to the next stage
supply chain disruptions will be recovering
china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give everybody a gleeful 
feeling of global unity.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:

  I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster ride.  And it 
was up so high too

  From: Matt Hoppes 
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

  Let it keep going down!  I moved everything to Money Market Monday. Once 
it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in stocks. 

  On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:

I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as much up as 
possible :) 

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM  wrote:

  How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would suggest 4 
months.  
  But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is falling 
thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.  
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Re: [AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

If the width of the blade where it intercepts the LOS is as wide as the first 
fresnel zone I would expect big problems.
But if you just have blade tips encroaching on the upper number fresnel zones 
or a portion of the first fresnel zone I don’t think it would be a problem.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:42 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

I have a 3 link path i need to turn up in 11ghz. we drove the path yesterday. 2 
legs are golden. one however is problematic, ive got two wind turbines that are 
in or just outside the fresnel. If it were one, id probably be inclined to risk 
the impact if there was just one turbine, but two is iffy without some good 
maths to support it. 
The path is 5.5 miles
the first turbine is 3.64 mile
the second is about 4.69 miles
Fresnel is about 25' radius at that distance max if the calculator is right
the first turbine is maybe 100' from boresite
the second is probably 150'
These arent our normal turbines, these the the bad motherfucker turbines, so 
the blades are like a million feet long, actually IIRC theyre 224' on something 
like a 400' pedestal.

I need to pull the specs again on those and get better than google earth GPS 
coordinates on the potential end points, and some better actual heights 

that brings be to the question, how do i calculate a partial fresnel 
obstruction with a radius like the blade pattern.

I figure boresite view with a 50' circle would give me worst case fresnel, then 
i just draw the arc of the turbine path into that as an obtruction for each 
maybe just shade the polygon it create as a complete obstruction.

So once i have that info, what tool can i put it into to calculate the impact? 
everything we use just has an obstruction height. Would i be able to just take 
the distance from edge of fresnel into the furthest point of the polygon? Would 
I need to calculate more loss than that?

Im planning on sticking a 5ghz link up anyway pending licensing, so i assume i 
can just extrapolate the loss from that

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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind of 
money?

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?

Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.

That grows exponentially with little work.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it 
arrives more slowly than that.


On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm 
on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that 
somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is doing 
as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the price.   
For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the price - a 
board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20 to get made 
in the USA.
So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier 
in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like 
they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead 
and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently shipping, so 
they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have to worry so 
much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3 boards yet, 
but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that the backlog 
will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman 
 wrote:


Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
is years away.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
will announce contracts to move production to another country,
like within the next two weeks. Many other will follow suit,
diversity in production is probably going to decimate the
chinese economy.
I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease
tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
present, it will be less impactful.
Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are
beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance
comes on board, its loose in california, and they poop on the
streets, so there will be some controlled outbreaks there, no
worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is here, excluding some
major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this will have
major geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in
the markets). its probably going to do some harm in africa
with the locusts, but i dont know that africa really impacts
markets, they still have ebola running around.
By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early
april it will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative
growth between 33 and 35 that will correct back down to 29-31
in may.
around this time production will be back to normal, and the
reorganized sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine
will be moving to the next stage
supply chain disruptions will be recovering
china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give
everybody a gleeful feeling of global unity.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:

I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster
ride.  And it was up so high too
*From:* Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Let it keep going down! I moved everything to Money Market
Monday. Once it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in stocks.

On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl
 wrote:


I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as
much up as possible :)
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM  wrote:

How long before the stock market recovers. Stats
would suggest 4 months.
But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the
sky is falling thing,  I am sure that will extend
this correction.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

They gave us a protocol for opening the packages.  Not sure if the individual 
PCBs are handled by people but I would think so during inspection and packing.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.   Hopefully it arrives 
more slowly than that.

On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.  

  From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

  Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside mainland 
china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm on.   The answer 
always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that somewhere else hasn't figured 
out how to replicate what China is doing as far as the circuit boards go, even 
if it was double the price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 
20 times the price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost 
$20 to get made in the USA. 

  So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier in 
China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like they're close to 
caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead and pulled in 6 months 
worth for anything we're currently shipping, so they'll be here in the next few 
weeks and we don't have to worry so much.   We haven't inserted an order for 
the new Base 3 boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week 
that the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.

  On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman  wrote:

Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply chain they 
have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the infrastructure, much less 
the slip set to do it  
I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it is years 
away. 

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

  I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies will 
announce contracts to move production to another country, like within the next 
two weeks. Many other will follow suit, diversity in production is probably 
going to decimate the chinese economy. 
  I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will quell the 
downward spiral, a short recovery on monday. 
  Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease tarriffs on 
humanitarian reasons
  By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still present, it will 
be less impactful.
  Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are beginning to 
stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance comes on board, its loose in 
california, and they poop on the streets, so there will be some controlled 
outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is here, excluding 
some major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this will have major 
geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in the markets). its 
probably going to do some harm in africa with the locusts, but i dont know that 
africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola running around.
  By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early april it 
will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative growth between 33 and 35 
that will correct back down to 29-31 in may.
  around this time production will be back to normal, and the reorganized 
sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine will be moving to the next stage
  supply chain disruptions will be recovering
  china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give everybody a 
gleeful feeling of global unity.

  On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:

I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster ride.  And 
it was up so high too

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Let it keep going down!  I moved everything to Money Market Monday. 
Once it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in stocks. 

On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

  I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as much up as 
possible :) 

  On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM  wrote:

How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would suggest 4 
months.  
But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like the sky is 
falling thing,  I am sure that will extend this correction.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Sprinkle around. 

Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
international developed and emerging markets. 

Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing. 

I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then 
taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment. 

My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
> 
> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind of 
> money?
> 
> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> 
> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
> 
> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
> 
> That grows exponentially with little work.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit at the 
distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you. 

We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be safe. 

I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
contamination of stock. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert  wrote:
> 
> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.   Hopefully it 
> arrives more slowly than that.
> 
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully. 
>>  
>> From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>  
>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm on.   The 
>> answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that somewhere else hasn't 
>> figured out how to replicate what China is doing as far as the circuit 
>> boards go, even if it was double the price.   For comparison, US suppliers 
>> are typically over 20 times the price - a board that is under a dollar each 
>> from China can cost $20 to get made in the USA.
>>  
>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier in 
>> China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like they're close 
>> to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead and pulled in 6 
>> months worth for anything we're currently shipping, so they'll be here in 
>> the next few weeks and we don't have to worry so much.   We haven't inserted 
>> an order for the new Base 3 boards yet, but we expect by the time we do 
>> sometime next week that the backlog will be largely cleared from our 
>> preferred supplier in China.
>>  
>>  
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman  
>>> wrote:
>>> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply chain they 
>>> have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the infrastructure, much 
>>> less the slip set to do it 
>>> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it is years 
>>> away. 
>>>  
 On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones  
 wrote:
 I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies will 
 announce contracts to move production to another country, like within the 
 next two weeks. Many other will follow suit, diversity in production is 
 probably going to decimate the chinese economy.
 I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will quell the 
 downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
 Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease tarriffs on 
 humanitarian reasons
 By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still present, it will 
 be less impactful.
 Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are beginning to 
 stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance comes on board, its 
 loose in california, and they poop on the streets, so there will be some 
 controlled outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is 
 here, excluding some major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this will 
 have major geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in the 
 markets). its probably going to do some harm in africa with the locusts, 
 but i dont know that africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola 
 running around.
 By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early april it 
 will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative growth between 33 and 
 35 that will correct back down to 29-31 in may.
 around this time production will be back to normal, and the reorganized 
 sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine will be moving to the next 
 stage
 supply chain disruptions will be recovering
 china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give everybody a gleeful 
 feeling of global unity.
  
  
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:
> I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster ride.  And it  
>was up so high too
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>  
> Let it keep going down!  I moved everything to Money Market Monday. Once 
> it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in stocks.
> 
> On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
>> I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as much up as 
>> possible :)
>>  
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM  wrote:
>>> How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would sug

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

Minor clarification:  It won’t sit at the disty more than a day (depending on 
what time it comes in).  It can sit in the railroad stockyard for up to a week.

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 9:36 AM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit at the 
> distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you. 
> 
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be safe. 
> 
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
> contamination of stock. 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert  wrote:
>> 
>> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.   Hopefully it 
>> arrives more slowly than that.
>> 
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully. 
>>>  
>>> From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>  
>>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
>>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
>>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm on.   The 
>>> answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that somewhere else hasn't 
>>> figured out how to replicate what China is doing as far as the circuit 
>>> boards go, even if it was double the price.   For comparison, US suppliers 
>>> are typically over 20 times the price - a board that is under a dollar each 
>>> from China can cost $20 to get made in the USA.
>>>  
>>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier in 
>>> China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like they're close 
>>> to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead and pulled in 6 
>>> months worth for anything we're currently shipping, so they'll be here in 
>>> the next few weeks and we don't have to worry so much.   We haven't 
>>> inserted an order for the new Base 3 boards yet, but we expect by the time 
>>> we do sometime next week that the backlog will be largely cleared from our 
>>> preferred supplier in China.
>>>  
>>>  
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman  
>>> wrote:
 Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply chain 
 they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the infrastructure, 
 much less the slip set to do it 
 I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it is years 
 away.
  
 On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones  
 wrote:
> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies will 
> announce contracts to move production to another country, like within the 
> next two weeks. Many other will follow suit, diversity in production is 
> probably going to decimate the chinese economy.
> I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will quell the 
> downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
> Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease tarriffs on 
> humanitarian reasons
> By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still present, it will 
> be less impactful.
> Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are beginning to 
> stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance comes on board, its 
> loose in california, and they poop on the streets, so there will be some 
> controlled outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is 
> here, excluding some major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this 
> will have major geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in the 
> markets). its probably going to do some harm in africa with the locusts, 
> but i dont know that africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola 
> running around.
> By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early april it 
> will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative growth between 33 and 
> 35 that will correct back down to 29-31 in may.
> around this time production will be back to normal, and the reorganized 
> sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine will be moving to the 
> next stage
> supply chain disruptions will be recovering
> china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give everybody a 
> gleeful feeling of global unity.
>  
>  
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:
>> I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster ride.  And it 
>> was up so high too
>>  
>> From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>  
>> Let it keep going down!  I moved everything to Money Market Monday

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

All PCBs are delivered by FedEx.

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit at the 
distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you. 

We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be safe. 

I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
contamination of stock. 

On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert  wrote:

  Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.   Hopefully it 
arrives more slowly than that.

  On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.  

From: Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside mainland 
china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm on.   The answer 
always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that somewhere else hasn't figured 
out how to replicate what China is doing as far as the circuit boards go, even 
if it was double the price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 
20 times the price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost 
$20 to get made in the USA. 

So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier in 
China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like they're close to 
caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead and pulled in 6 months 
worth for anything we're currently shipping, so they'll be here in the next few 
weeks and we don't have to worry so much.   We haven't inserted an order for 
the new Base 3 boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week 
that the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman  
wrote:

  Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply chain 
they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the infrastructure, much 
less the slip set to do it  
  I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it is 
years away. 

  On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones  
wrote:

I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies will 
announce contracts to move production to another country, like within the next 
two weeks. Many other will follow suit, diversity in production is probably 
going to decimate the chinese economy. 
I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will quell the 
downward spiral, a short recovery on monday. 
Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease tarriffs 
on humanitarian reasons
By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still present, it 
will be less impactful.
Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are beginning 
to stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance comes on board, its loose 
in california, and they poop on the streets, so there will be some controlled 
outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is here, excluding 
some major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this will have major 
geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in the markets). its 
probably going to do some harm in africa with the locusts, but i dont know that 
africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola running around.
By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early april it 
will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative growth between 33 and 35 
that will correct back down to 29-31 in may.
around this time production will be back to normal, and the reorganized 
sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine will be moving to the next stage
supply chain disruptions will be recovering
china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give everybody a 
gleeful feeling of global unity.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:

  I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster ride.  And 
it was up so high too

  From: Matt Hoppes 
  Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

  Let it keep going down!  I moved everything to Money Market Monday. 
Once it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in stocks. 

  On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:

I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as much up 
as possible :) 

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM  wrote:

  How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats would suggest 4 
months.

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

So you almost triple your money each year?

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Sprinkle around.

Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
international developed and emerging markets.

Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.

I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then 
taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.

My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.

On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:

Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind 
of money?

-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?

Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.

That grows exponentially with little work.

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Re: [AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

Shooting through multiple turbines can be problematic because the blades can be 
offset so that one set of blades fills in the gaps from the next, like flower 
petals.  Also they turn to face into the wind and sometimes they stop them due 
to too much or too little wind or to avoid shadow flicker or because the price 
of electricity is too low.  So there are a lot of scenarios, and it’s not 
really possible to verify everything at installation time.

 

I guess another reason to use a simulation that perhaps can take all this into 
account.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 9:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

 

If the width of the blade where it intercepts the LOS is as wide as the first 
fresnel zone I would expect big problems.

But if you just have blade tips encroaching on the upper number fresnel zones 
or a portion of the first fresnel zone I don’t think it would be a problem.  

 

From: Steve Jones 

Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:42 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: [AFMUG] freznel impact calculator

 

I have a 3 link path i need to turn up in 11ghz. we drove the path yesterday. 2 
legs are golden. one however is problematic, ive got two wind turbines that are 
in or just outside the fresnel. If it were one, id probably be inclined to risk 
the impact if there was just one turbine, but two is iffy without some good 
maths to support it. 

The path is 5.5 miles

the first turbine is 3.64 mile

the second is about 4.69 miles

Fresnel is about 25' radius at that distance max if the calculator is right

the first turbine is maybe 100' from boresite

the second is probably 150'

These arent our normal turbines, these the the bad motherfucker turbines, so 
the blades are like a million feet long, actually IIRC theyre 224' on something 
like a 400' pedestal.

 

I need to pull the specs again on those and get better than google earth GPS 
coordinates on the potential end points, and some better actual heights 

 

that brings be to the question, how do i calculate a partial fresnel 
obstruction with a radius like the blade pattern.

 

I figure boresite view with a 50' circle would give me worst case fresnel, then 
i just draw the arc of the turbine path into that as an obtruction for each 
maybe just shade the polygon it create as a complete obstruction.

 

So once i have that info, what tool can i put it into to calculate the impact? 
everything we use just has an obstruction height. Would i be able to just take 
the distance from edge of fresnel into the furthest point of the polygon? Would 
I need to calculate more loss than that?

 

Im planning on sticking a 5ghz link up anyway pending licensing, so i assume i 
can just extrapolate the loss from that

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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Mark Radabaugh

Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% returns 
then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie Maddoff

Mark


On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> So you almost triple your money each year?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> 
> Sprinkle around.
> 
> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
> international developed and emerging markets.
> 
> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
> 
> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then 
> taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
> 
> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>> 
>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind of 
>> money?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> 
>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>> 
>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
>> 
>> That grows exponentially with little work.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

You can get 260% return in Vegas.  But quit while you're ahead.

It's like the Lifesavers commercial with the dad and kid watching the sunset.  
"Do it again, Daddy."


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% returns 
then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie Maddoff

Mark


On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> 
> So you almost triple your money each year?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> 
> Sprinkle around.
> 
> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
> international developed and emerging markets.
> 
> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
> 
> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then 
> taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
> 
> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>> 
>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind of 
>> money?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> 
>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>> 
>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
>> 
>> That grows exponentially with little work.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Darin Steffl

Sorry, I'm gonna pick on you Matt.

Matt likes to share lots of unrealistic things he does that others find
impossible like large stock returns with a diversified portfolio. 100%
close rate in sales for every customer that calls in for service, etc.

Maybe if you had all your money in one stock like Tesla that went up 400%
in less than 12 months, sure I can see a crazy return. But that's not
diversified, it's all eggs in one basket. If you truly diversify, there's
no way to have a 260% return in the market, just like there's no way you
have a 100% close rate on sales. It's not possible.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 10:21 AM Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

> Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260%
> returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie
> Maddoff
>
> Mark
>
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >
> > So you almost triple your money each year?
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
> > To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> >
> > Sprinkle around.
> >
> > Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then
> international developed and emerging markets.
> >
> > Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
> >
> > I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two,
> then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
> >
> > My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
> >
> >> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,  
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that
> kind of money?
> >>
> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> >>
> >> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
> >>
> >> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes
> $5,000/week.
> >>
> >> That grows exponentially with little work.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Seth Mattinen


On 2/29/20 09:09, Darin Steffl wrote:
Maybe if you had all your money in one stock like Tesla that went up 
400% in less than 12 months, sure I can see a crazy return. But that's 
not diversified, it's all eggs in one basket. If you truly diversify, 
there's no way to have a 260% return in the market, just like there's no 
way you have a 100% close rate on sales. It's not possible.


I sure wouldn't be here if I was getting a 260% return in the market.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Darin Steffl

Right Seth?!

I'd sell my wisp today and get rid of the stressful customers with that
kind of return.

Heck, I'd be done with the business with a consistent 20% return and have
plenty to live on the rest of my life.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:23 AM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

> On 2/29/20 09:09, Darin Steffl wrote:
> > Maybe if you had all your money in one stock like Tesla that went up
> > 400% in less than 12 months, sure I can see a crazy return. But that's
> > not diversified, it's all eggs in one basket. If you truly diversify,
> > there's no way to have a 260% return in the market, just like there's no
> > way you have a 100% close rate on sales. It's not possible.
>
> I sure wouldn't be here if I was getting a 260% return in the market.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Amen.  Even 26% guaranteed would see me on a beach.  

-Original Message- 
From: Seth Mattinen 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:23 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool 

On 2/29/20 09:09, Darin Steffl wrote:
Maybe if you had all your money in one stock like Tesla that went up 
400% in less than 12 months, sure I can see a crazy return. But that's 
not diversified, it's all eggs in one basket. If you truly diversify, 
there's no way to have a 260% return in the market, just like there's no 
way you have a 100% close rate on sales. It's not possible.

I sure wouldn't be here if I was getting a 260% return in the market.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now 
and it's the tip of the iceberg.


On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit 
at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.


We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be 
safe.


I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
contamination of stock.


On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert > wrote:


Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it 
arrives more slowly than that.


On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm 
on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that 
somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is 
doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the 
price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the 
price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20 
to get made in the USA.
So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier 
in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like 
they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went 
ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently 
shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have 
to worry so much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3 
boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that 
the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman 
 wrote:


Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
is years away.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
will announce contracts to move production to another
country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to
decimate the chinese economy.
I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease
tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
present, it will be less impactful.
Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are
beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more
surveillance comes on board, its loose in california, and
they poop on the streets, so there will be some controlled
outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is
here, excluding some major calamity, like an outbreak in
mexico (this will have major geopolitical consequence that
will heavily reflect in the markets). its probably going to
do some harm in africa with the locusts, but i dont know that
africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola running
around.
By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early
april it will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative
growth between 33 and 35 that will correct back down to 29-31
in may.
around this time production will be back to normal, and the
reorganized sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine
will be moving to the next stage
supply chain disruptions will be recovering
china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give
everybody a gleeful feeling of global unity.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:

I should have moved it, but I will take the roller
coaster ride.  And it was up so high too
*From:* Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Let it keep going down! I moved everything to Money
Market Monday. Once it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in
stocks.

On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl
 wrote:


I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I ca

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

If you could do that you would start a fund and have everybody _else's_ 
money to be playing with, 20% tax rate and be living on an island 
stocked to the gills...

On 02/29/2020 09:29 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Right Seth?!

I'd sell my wisp today and get rid of the stressful customers with that 
kind of return.

Heck, I'd be done with the business with a consistent 20% return and 
have plenty to live on the rest of my life.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:23 AM Seth Mattinen > wrote:

On 2/29/20 09:09, Darin Steffl wrote:
 > Maybe if you had all your money in one stock like Tesla that went up
 > 400% in less than 12 months, sure I can see a crazy return. But
that's
 > not diversified, it's all eggs in one basket. If you truly
diversify,
 > there's no way to have a 260% return in the market, just like
there's no
 > way you have a 100% close rate on sales. It's not possible.

I sure wouldn't be here if I was getting a 260% return in the market.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Mike Meluskey

2% tax rate on capital gains, 4% in income tax:
https://www.usvieda.org/

On 29 Feb 2020, at 13:39, Robert Andrews wrote:

If you could do that you would start a fund and have everybody 
_else's_ money to be playing with, 20% tax rate and be living on an 
island stocked to the gills...

On 02/29/2020 09:29 AM, Darin Steffl wrote:

Right Seth?!

I'd sell my wisp today and get rid of the stressful customers with 
that kind of return.

Heck, I'd be done with the business with a consistent 20% return and 
have plenty to live on the rest of my life.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:23 AM Seth Mattinen > wrote:

On 2/29/20 09:09, Darin Steffl wrote:
 > Maybe if you had all your money in one stock like Tesla that 
went up
 > 400% in less than 12 months, sure I can see a crazy return. 
But

that's
 > not diversified, it's all eggs in one basket. If you truly
diversify,
 > there's no way to have a 260% return in the market, just like
there's no
 > way you have a 100% close rate on sales. It's not possible.

I sure wouldn't be here if I was getting a 260% return in the 
market.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Where are they popping up everywhere?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews 
wrote:

> That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now
> and it's the tip of the iceberg.
>
> On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit
> > at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
> >
> > We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be
> > safe.
> >
> > I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than
> > contamination of stock.
> >
> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert  > > wrote:
> >
> >> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it
> >> arrives more slowly than that.
> >>
> >> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
> >>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> >>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get
> >>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside
> >>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm
> >>> on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that
> >>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is
> >>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the
> >>> price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the
> >>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20
> >>> to get made in the USA.
> >>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier
> >>> in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like
> >>> they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went
> >>> ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently
> >>> shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have
> >>> to worry so much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3
> >>> boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that
> >>> the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in
> China.
> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
> >>> chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
> >>> infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
> >>> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
> >>> is years away.
> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
> >>> will announce contracts to move production to another
> >>> country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
> >>> follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to
> >>> decimate the chinese economy.
> >>> I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
> >>> quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
> >>> Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease
> >>> tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
> >>> By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
> >>> present, it will be less impactful.
> >>> Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are
> >>> beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more
> >>> surveillance comes on board, its loose in california, and
> >>> they poop on the streets, so there will be some controlled
> >>> outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is
> >>> here, excluding some major calamity, like an outbreak in
> >>> mexico (this will have major geopolitical consequence that
> >>> will heavily reflect in the markets). its probably going to
> >>> do some harm in africa with the locusts, but i dont know that
> >>> africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola running
> >>> around.
> >>> By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early
> >>> april it will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative
> >>> growth between 33 and 35 that will correct back down to 29-31
> >>> in may.
> >>> around this time production will be back to normal, and the
> >>> reorganized sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine
> >>> will be moving to the next stage
> >>> supply chain disruptions will be recovering
> >>> china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give
> >>> everybody a gleeful feeling of global unity.
> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I should have moved it, but I will take the roller
> >>

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

>From WHO statement yesterday:

“Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.

Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria have all 
reported their first cases. All these cases have links to Italy.

24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have been 
exported from Iran to 11 countries.

The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected 
countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”

Thanks, Italy and Iran.

 

China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South Korea 
900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.

 

I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers spraying 
public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food places and stores 
are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is feasible here.

 

Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.  Shortage 
of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have travelled to China.  
If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong Kong is even testing 
pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test people.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

Where are they popping up everywhere?

 

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now 
and it's the tip of the iceberg.

On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit 
> at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
> 
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be 
> safe.
> 
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
> contamination of stock.
> 
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert    
>  >> wrote:
> 
>> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it 
>> arrives more slowly than that.
>>
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
>>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
>>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
>>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm 
>>> on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that 
>>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is 
>>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the 
>>> price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the 
>>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20 
>>> to get made in the USA.
>>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier 
>>> in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like 
>>> they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went 
>>> ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently 
>>> shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have 
>>> to worry so much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3 
>>> boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that 
>>> the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman 
>>> mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
>>> chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
>>> infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
>>> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
>>> is years away.
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
>>> mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
>>> will announce contracts to move production to another
>>> country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
>>> follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to
>>> decimate the chinese economy.
>>> I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
>>> quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
>>> Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease
>>> tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
>>> By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
>>> present, it will be less impactful.
>>> Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Yes. I’ve been very happy with my stock market runs. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM,   wrote:
> 
> So you almost triple your money each year?
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> 
> Sprinkle around.
> 
> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
> international developed and emerging markets.
> 
> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
> 
> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then 
> taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
> 
> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>> 
>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind of 
>> money?
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> 
>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>> 
>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
>> 
>> That grows exponentially with little work.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term though on 
a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
> returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
> Maddoff
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> So you almost triple your money each year?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> 
>> Sprinkle around.
>> 
>> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
>> international developed and emerging markets.
>> 
>> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>> 
>> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then 
>> taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>> 
>> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind 
>>> of money?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> 
>>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>>> 
>>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
>>> 
>>> That grows exponentially with little work.
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet
  the fatalities outside China are only .1%.
Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that
  outside of China, no one was prepared, and that they really have
  not been testing. Problems with test kits; like they were not
  working correctly, and secondly, no one was testing. 

I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe,
  and the major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or
  asymptomatic. it is, after all, just another corona virus. New or
  not, we deal with viruses like it all the time.

bp

On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:

From WHO statement yesterday:
“Outside
China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67
deaths.
Since
yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and
Nigeria have all reported their first cases. All these cases
have links to Italy.
24
cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97
cases have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
The
continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of
affected countries over the last few days, are clearly of
concern.”
Thanks, Italy and Iran.

China numbers are looking promising, but
  Italy 300 new cases and South Korea 900.  Number of countries
  with confirmed cases is around 60.

I see the photos from places like China and
  S. Korea with soldiers spraying public places with
  disinfectant, and the steps takeout food places and stores are
  taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is feasible
  here.

Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000
  people, the US has tested 400.  Shortage of test kits, and
  guidelines to only test people who have travelled to China. 
  If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong Kong is
  even testing pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test
  people.

From: AF
   On Behalf Of Steve
  Jones
  Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

  Where are they popping up everywhere?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert
  Andrews 
  wrote:

That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks
  are popping up everywhere now 
  and it's the tip of the iceberg.

  On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  > It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes
  by air it will sit 
  > at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in
  transit to you.
  > 
  > We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week
  or two just to be 
  > safe.
  > 
  > I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock
  shortages than 
  > contamination of stock.
  > 
  > On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert  i...@avantwireless.com>>
  wrote:
  > 
  >> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and
  plastic. Hopefully it 
  >> arrives more slowly than that.
  >>
  >> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
  >>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think
  things will be OK hopefully.
  >>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
  >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
  >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a
  pool
  >>> Every couple of months a question about "is
  there anywhere I can get 
  >>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a
  reasonable price outside 
  >>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of
  forums/mailing lists I'm 
  >>> on.   The answer always turns out to be no. 
   It's amazing that 
  >>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to
  replicate what China is 
  >>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even
  if it was double the 
  >>> price.   For comparison, US suppliers are
  typically over 20 times the 
  >>> price - a board that is under a dollar each

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

The entire idea behind traditional retirement is living off the proceeds of 
your stock investments. 

It’s really not that hard if you plan properly. 

No one has to believe anything I say.  

But we aren’t hurting for cash and business is booming faster than we can keep 
up right now.   I know how we got there, whether anyone believes me when I tell 
them how we got where we are is entirely up to you. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> From WHO statement yesterday:
> “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.
> 
> Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria have 
> all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to Italy.
> 
> 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have 
> been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
> 
> The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected 
> countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”
> 
> Thanks, Italy and Iran.
>  
> China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South Korea 
> 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.
>  
> I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers spraying 
> public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food places and stores 
> are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is feasible here.
>  
> Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.  Shortage 
> of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have travelled to China. 
>  If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong Kong is even testing 
> pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test people.
>  
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>  
> Where are they popping up everywhere?
>  
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews  wrote:
> That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now 
> and it's the tip of the iceberg.
> 
> On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit 
> > at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
> > 
> > We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be 
> > safe.
> > 
> > I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
> > contamination of stock.
> > 
> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert  > > wrote:
> > 
> >> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it 
> >> arrives more slowly than that.
> >>
> >> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
> >>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> >>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
> >>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
> >>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm 
> >>> on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that 
> >>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is 
> >>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the 
> >>> price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the 
> >>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20 
> >>> to get made in the USA.
> >>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier 
> >>> in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like 
> >>> they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went 
> >>> ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently 
> >>> shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have 
> >>> to worry so much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3 
> >>> boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that 
> >>> the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.
> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman 
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
> >>> chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
> >>> infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
> >>> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
> >>> is years away.
> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
> >>> will announce contracts to move production to another
> >>> country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
> >>> follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to
> >>> decimate the ch

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

You guys must be talking apples and oranges.  That kind of return must be on 
margin, options, short sales, HFT, etc., not your average long term investing.

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:51 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term though on 
a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
> returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
> Maddoff
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> So you almost triple your money each year?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> 
>> Sprinkle around.
>> 
>> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
>> international developed and emerging markets.
>> 
>> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>> 
>> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then 
>> taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>> 
>> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind 
>>> of money?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> 
>>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>>> 
>>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
>>> 
>>> That grows exponentially with little work.
>>> 
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Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in a 
country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they 
haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it long 
enough to die yet.

Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you almost 
have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people with this 
or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we are testing 
now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  More likely someone who 
travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the virus living for up to 9 
days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for transmission?  I know lots 
of people use cards or their phones to pay for everything, but this could be 
the death of paper money and coins.  Think where that stuff has been.  But on 
the other hand, the virus is spreading like crazy in mostly cashless countries.

Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No details.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the fatalities 
outside China are only .1%.

Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside of China, 
no one was prepared, and that they really have not been testing. Problems with 
test kits; like they were not working correctly, and secondly, no one was 
testing. 

I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the major 
saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it is, after 
all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses like it all 
the time.

bp

On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

>From WHO statement yesterday:

“Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.

Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria have all 
reported their first cases. All these cases have links to Italy.

24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have been 
exported from Iran to 11 countries.

The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected 
countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”

Thanks, Italy and Iran.

China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South Korea 
900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.

I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers spraying 
public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food places and stores 
are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is feasible here.

Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.  Shortage 
of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have travelled to China.  
If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong Kong is even testing 
pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test people.

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Where are they popping up everywhere?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now 
and it's the tip of the iceberg.

On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit 
> at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
> 
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be 
> safe.
> 
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
> contamination of stock.
> 
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert    
>  >> wrote:
> 
>> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it 
>> arrives more slowly than that.
>>
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
>>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
>>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
>>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm 
>>> on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that 
>>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is 
>>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the 
>>> price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the 
>>> price - a board tha

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Fatalities, no matter what disease, is hugely effected by the 
performance of health care facilities.  China was very overwhelmed for 
two months.   They are currently building 17 new hospitals and 
construction of anything else in the infected cities is completely 
halted.   I can forward a text from someone's children in Bejing that 
says exactly that, so this isn't second hand information. Other 
countries are mostly underwhelmed ( Iran is the exception and their 
death rate is over China's ).  Most other countries haven't had the time 
for death rates to be settled vs the explosion of cases, so saying they 
have a rate is bad statistics.   To compare the death rate you have to 
compare it to the number of cases when the death was infected not the 
current number of cases.   The single worst thing about this disease is 
that the infected are contagious prior to be symptomatic.  That is so 
freaking weird we aren't dealing with it with any appropriate response.

On 2/29/20 10:56 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the 
fatalities outside China are only .1%.

Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside 
of China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been 
testing. Problems with test kits; like they were not working 
correctly, and secondly, no one was testing.

I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the 
major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. 
it is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with 
viruses like it all the time.

bp

On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

From WHO statement yesterday:

“Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.

Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria 
have all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to Italy.

24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases 
have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.

The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of 
affected countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”

Thanks, Italy and Iran.

China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and 
South Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.

I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers 
spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food 
places and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if 
that is feasible here.

Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.  
Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have 
travelled to China. If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) 
Hong Kong is even testing pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to 
test people.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Where are they popping up everywhere?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews > wrote:

That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere
now
and it's the tip of the iceberg.

On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it
will sit
> at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
>
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two
just to be
> safe.
>
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages
than
> contamination of stock.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> >> wrote:
>
>> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.
Hopefully it
>> arrives more slowly than that.
>>
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com 
wrote:
>>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK
hopefully.
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I
can get
>>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price
outside
>>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists
I'm
>>> on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that
>>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is
>>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the
>>> price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20
times the
>>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can
cost $20
>>> to get made in

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool


  
  
Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even
  thousands of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of
  "curing" the common cold is because corona viruses mutate like
  crazy. I am now firmly of the opinion that the COVID-19 virus has
  been circulating longer than anyone knew, and it's been written
  off as just another cold. We shall see.


bp



On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases
  are just starting to rise in a country.  They may be
  undercounting the cases because, like you say, they haven’t
  been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had
  it long enough to die yet.
 
Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or
  pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you almost have to wonder if
  there have always been a certain number of people with this or
  a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we
  are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory. 
  More likely someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on
  them.  With the virus living for up to 9 days on surfaces,
  could money become a vehicle for transmission?  I know lots of
  people use cards or their phones to pay for everything, but
  this could be the death of paper money and coins.  Think where
  that stuff has been.  But on the other hand, the virus is
  spreading like crazy in mostly cashless countries.
 
Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington
  state has died.  No details.
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
  

 
Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%,
  yet the fatalities outside China are only .1%.
Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that
  outside of China, no one was prepared, and that they really
  have not been testing. Problems with test kits; like they were
  not working correctly, and secondly, no one was testing. 
I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the
  globe, and the major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are
  mild or asymptomatic. it is, after all, just another corona
  virus. New or not, we deal with viruses like it all the time.
 
bp

 

  On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  From WHO statement yesterday:
  “Outside
  China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67
  deaths.
  Since
  yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and
  Nigeria have all reported their first cases. All these
  cases have links to Italy.
  24
  cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and
  97 cases have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
  The
  continued increase in the number of cases, and the number
  of affected countries over the last few days, are clearly
  of concern.”
  Thanks, Italy and Iran.
   
  China numbers are looking promising, but
Italy 300 new cases and South Korea 900.  Number of
countries with confirmed cases is around 60.
   
  I see the photos from places like China
and S. Korea with soldiers spraying public places with
disinfectant, and the steps takeout food places and stores
are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is
feasible here.
   
  Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000
people, the US has tested 400.  Shortage of test kits, and
guidelines to only test people who have travelled to China. 
If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong Kong
is even testing pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to
test people.
   
  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
   
  
Where are they popping up everywhere?
  
   
  

  On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert
Andrews 
wrote:


  That's very realistic.  Local
outbreaks are popping up everywhere now

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first death. 

That’s not a good track record. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands of 
> corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the common cold 
> is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the opinion 
> that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone knew, and 
> it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in a 
>> country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they 
>> haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it 
>> long enough to die yet.
>>  
>> Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you 
>> almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people 
>> with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we 
>> are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.More 
>> likely someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the 
>> virus living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for 
>> transmission?  I know lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for 
>> everything, but this could be the death of paper money and coins.  Think 
>> where that stuff has been.  But on the other hand, the virus is spreading 
>> like crazy in mostly cashless countries.
>>  
>> Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No details.
>>  
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>  
>> Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the 
>> fatalities outside China are only .1%.
>> 
>> Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside of 
>> China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been testing. 
>> Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and secondly, 
>> no one was testing.
>> 
>> I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the major 
>> saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it is, after 
>> all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses like it all 
>> the time.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> From WHO statement yesterday:
>> “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.
>> 
>> Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria have 
>> all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to Italy.
>> 
>> 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have 
>> been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
>> 
>> The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected 
>> countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”
>> 
>> Thanks, Italy and Iran.
>>  
>> China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South Korea 
>> 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.
>>  
>> I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers spraying 
>> public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food places and 
>> stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is feasible 
>> here.
>>  
>> Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.  
>> Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have travelled 
>> to China.  If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong Kong is 
>> even testing pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test people.
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>  
>> Where are they popping up everywhere?
>>  
>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews  wrote:
>> That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now 
>> and it's the tip of the iceberg.
>> 
>> On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> > It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit 
>> > at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
>> > 
>> > We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be 
>> > safe.
>> > 
>> > I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
>> > contamination of stock.
>> > 
>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert > > > wrote:
>> > 
>> >> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it 
>> >> arrives more slowly than that.
>> >>
>> >> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> >>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

The other thing is - some folks with repute are saying this may be like AIDS, 
essentially it may stay with you for life. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:32 AM,   wrote:
> 
> They gave us a protocol for opening the packages.  Not sure if the individual 
> PCBs are handled by people but I would think so during inspection and 
> packing. 
>  
> From: Robert
> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:28 AM
> To: af@af.afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>  
> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.   Hopefully it 
> arrives more slowly than that.
> 
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully. 
>>  
>> From: Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>  
>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm on.   The 
>> answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that somewhere else hasn't 
>> figured out how to replicate what China is doing as far as the circuit 
>> boards go, even if it was double the price.   For comparison, US suppliers 
>> are typically over 20 times the price - a board that is under a dollar each 
>> from China can cost $20 to get made in the USA.
>>  
>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier in 
>> China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like they're close 
>> to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead and pulled in 6 
>> months worth for anything we're currently shipping, so they'll be here in 
>> the next few weeks and we don't have to worry so much.   We haven't inserted 
>> an order for the new Base 3 boards yet, but we expect by the time we do 
>> sometime next week that the backlog will be largely cleared from our 
>> preferred supplier in China.
>>  
>>  
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman  
>>> wrote:
>>> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply chain they 
>>> have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the infrastructure, much 
>>> less the slip set to do it 
>>> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it is years 
>>> away. 
>>>  
 On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones  
 wrote:
 I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies will 
 announce contracts to move production to another country, like within the 
 next two weeks. Many other will follow suit, diversity in production is 
 probably going to decimate the chinese economy.
 I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will quell the 
 downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
 Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease tarriffs on 
 humanitarian reasons
 By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still present, it will 
 be less impactful.
 Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are beginning to 
 stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance comes on board, its 
 loose in california, and they poop on the streets, so there will be some 
 controlled outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is 
 here, excluding some major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this will 
 have major geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in the 
 markets). its probably going to do some harm in africa with the locusts, 
 but i dont know that africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola 
 running around.
 By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early april it 
 will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative growth between 33 and 
 35 that will correct back down to 29-31 in may.
 around this time production will be back to normal, and the reorganized 
 sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine will be moving to the next 
 stage
 supply chain disruptions will be recovering
 china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give everybody a gleeful 
 feeling of global unity.
  
  
> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:
> I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster ride.  And it 
> was up so high too
>  
> From: Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a  pool
>  
> Let it keep going down!  I moved everything to Money Market Monday. Once 
> it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in stocks.
> 
>> On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as much up as 
>> possible :)
>>  
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM  wrot

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool


  
  
I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has
  actually already had thousands of cases that have not been
  diagnosed.


bp



On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes
  wrote:


  
  Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we
just had the first death. 
  
  
  That’s not a good track record. 
  
On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince 
wrote:

  
  

  
  Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe
even thousands of corona viruses in circulation. One of the
issues of "curing" the common cold is because corona viruses
mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the opinion that the
COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone knew,
and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall
see.
  
  
  bp



  On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
  
  




  Hard to judge fatality rate when new
cases are just starting to rise in a country.  They may
be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they
haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the
people haven’t had it long enough to die yet.
   
  Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or
pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you almost have to wonder
if there have always been a certain number of people
with this or a related coronavirus and we are only
finding out because we are testing now.  No, that sounds
like a conspiracy theory.  More likely someone who
travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the
virus living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money
become a vehicle for transmission?  I know lots of
people use cards or their phones to pay for everything,
but this could be the death of paper money and coins. 
Think where that stuff has been.  But on the other hand,
the virus is spreading like crazy in mostly cashless
countries.
   
  Oh, and I saw that a patient in
Washington state has died.  No details.
   
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

  
   
  Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around
3.4%, yet the fatalities outside China are only .1%.
  Listening to the news this morning, it's become
apparent that outside of China, no one was prepared, and
that they really have not been testing. Problems with
test kits; like they were not working correctly, and
secondly, no one was testing. 
  I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the
globe, and the major saving grace is that 80% of the
cases are mild or asymptomatic. it is, after all, just
another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses
like it all the time.
   
  bp
  
   
  
On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:
  
  
From WHO statement yesterday:
“Outside
China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and
67 deaths.
Since
yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands
and Nigeria have all reported their first cases. All
these cases have links to Italy.
24
cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries,
and 97 cases have been exported from Iran to 11
countries.
The
continued increase in the number of cases, and the
number of affected countries over the last few days,
are clearly of concern.”
Thanks, Italy and Iran.
 
China numbers are looking
  promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South Korea
  900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is
  around 60.
 
I see the photos from places like
  China and S. Korea wit

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

That would actually be very good news if discovered. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually already 
> had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
>> On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first death. 
>> 
>> That’s not a good track record. 
>> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>>> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands of 
>>> corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the common 
>>> cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the 
>>> opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone 
>>> knew, and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in a 
 country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they 
 haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it 
 long enough to die yet.

 Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you 
 almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people 
 with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we 
 are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  More likely 
 someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the virus 
 living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for 
 transmission?  I know lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for 
 everything, but this could be the death of paper money and coins.  Think 
 where that stuff has been.  But on the other hand, the virus is spreading 
 like crazy in mostly cashless countries.

 Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No details.

 From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
 Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
 To: af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the 
 fatalities outside China are only .1%.

 Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside of 
 China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been testing. 
 Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and 
 secondly, no one was testing.

 I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the 
 major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it 
 is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses 
 like it all the time.

 bp

 On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
 From WHO statement yesterday:
 “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.

 Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria have 
 all reported their first cases. All these cases have 
 links to Italy.

 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have 
 been exported from Iran to 11 countries.

 The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected 
 countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”

 Thanks, Italy and Iran.

 China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South 
 Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.

 I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers 
 spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food 
 places and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that 
 is feasible here.

 Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.  
 Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have 
 travelled to China.  If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) 
 Hong Kong is even testing pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test 
 people.

 From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
 Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 Where are they popping up everywhere?

 On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews  
 wrote:
 That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now 
 and it's the tip of the iceberg.

 On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
 > It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit 
 > at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
 > 
 > We wi

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

had->Have

On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually 
already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.

bp

On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first 
death.

That’s not a good track record.

On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince > wrote:

Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even 
thousands of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of 
"curing" the common cold is because corona viruses mutate like 
crazy. I am now firmly of the opinion that the COVID-19 virus has 
been circulating longer than anyone knew, and it's been written off 
as just another cold. We shall see.

bp

On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to 
rise in a country. They may be undercounting the cases because, 
like you say, they haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe 
the people haven’t had it long enough to die yet.

Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But 
you almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain 
number of people with this or a related coronavirus and we are only 
finding out because we are testing now.  No, that sounds like a 
conspiracy theory.  More likely someone who travelled to Italy or 
Iran sneezed on them.  With the virus living for up to 9 days on 
surfaces, could money become a vehicle for transmission?  I know 
lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for everything, but 
this could be the death of paper money and coins.  Think where that 
stuff has been.  But on the other hand, the virus is spreading like 
crazy in mostly cashless countries.

Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No details.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the 
fatalities outside China are only .1%.

Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that 
outside of China, no one was prepared, and that they really have 
not been testing. Problems with test kits; like they were not 
working correctly, and secondly, no one was testing.

I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and 
the major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or 
asymptomatic. it is, after all, just another corona virus. New or 
not, we deal with viruses like it all the time.

bp

On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

From WHO statement yesterday:

“Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and
67 deaths.

Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and
Nigeria have all reported their first cases. All these cases
have links to Italy.

24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97
cases have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.

The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number
of affected countries over the last few days, are clearly of
concern.”

Thanks, Italy and Iran.

China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases
and South Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases
is around 60.

I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with
soldiers spraying public places with disinfectant, and the
steps takeout food places and stores are taking to avoid
transmission, and I wonder if that is feasible here.

Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested
400.  Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people
who have travelled to China.  If you can believe the Internet
(stupid question) Hong Kong is even testing pets.  We don’t
even have enough kits to test people.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Where are they popping up everywhere?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up
everywhere now
and it's the tip of the iceberg.

On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by
air it will sit
> at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit
to you.
>
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or
two just to be
> safe.
>
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock
shortages than
> contamination of stock.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Rober

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

China gathered up huge quantities of notes and burned them. Beijing has 
gone cashless according to the text.   They have people use a tissue 
over the keypads.

On 2/29/20 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise 
in a country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you 
say, they haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people 
haven’t had it long enough to die yet.

Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you 
almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of 
people with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out 
because we are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory. 
More likely someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  
With the virus living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become 
a vehicle for transmission?  I know lots of people use cards or their 
phones to pay for everything, but this could be the death of paper 
money and coins.  Think where that stuff has been.  But on the other 
hand, the virus is spreading like crazy in mostly cashless countries.

Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No details.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
*Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the 
fatalities outside China are only .1%.

Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside 
of China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been 
testing. Problems with test kits; like they were not working 
correctly, and secondly, no one was testing.

I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the 
major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. 
it is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with 
viruses like it all the time.

bp

On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

From WHO statement yesterday:

“Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67
deaths.

Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and
Nigeria have all reported their first cases. All these cases have
links to Italy.

24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97
cases have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.

The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of
affected countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”

Thanks, Italy and Iran.

China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and
South Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is
around 60.

I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers
spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout
food places and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I
wonder if that is feasible here.

Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested
400.  Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people
who have travelled to China. If you can believe the Internet
(stupid question) Hong Kong is even testing pets.  We don’t even
have enough kits to test people.

*From:* AF 
 *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Where are they popping up everywhere?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:

That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up
everywhere now
and it's the tip of the iceberg.

On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air
it will sit
> at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
>
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two
just to be
> safe.
>
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock
shortages than
> contamination of stock.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> >> wrote:
>
>> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.
Hopefully it
>> arrives more slowly than that.
>>
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:
>>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be
OK hopefully.
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool


Oregon near Portland has a no-source

On 2/29/20 9:54 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Where are they popping up everywhere?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews > wrote:


That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now
and it's the tip of the iceberg.

On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it
will sit
> at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
>
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just
to be
> safe.
>
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages
than
> contamination of stock.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> >>
wrote:
>
>> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.
Hopefully it
>> arrives more slowly than that.
>>
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK
hopefully.
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I
can get
>>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price
outside
>>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm
>>> on.   The answer always turns out to be no.  It's amazing that
>>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is
>>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the
>>> price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20
times the
>>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can
cost $20
>>> to get made in the USA.
>>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a
supplier
>>> in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like
>>> they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went
>>> ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently
>>> shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we
don't have
>>> to worry so much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new
Base 3
>>> boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week
that
>>> the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred
supplier in China.
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman
>>> mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the
supply
>>>     chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
>>>     infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
>>>     I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but
doing it
>>>     is years away.
>>>     On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
>>>     mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major
companies
>>>         will announce contracts to move production to another
>>>         country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
>>>         follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to
>>>         decimate the chinese economy.
>>>         I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
>>>         quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
>>>         Within a week or so the administration will
temporarily ease
>>>         tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
>>>         By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
>>>         present, it will be less impactful.
>>>         Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new
infections are
>>>         beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more
>>>         surveillance comes on board, its loose in california, and
>>>         they poop on the streets, so there will be some controlled
>>>         outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the
plateau is
>>>         here, excluding some major calamity, like an outbreak in
>>>         mexico (this will have major geopolitical consequence that
>>>         will heavily reflect in the markets). its probably
going to
>>>         do some harm in africa with the locusts, but i dont
know that
>>>         africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola
running
>>>         around.
>>>         By the end of march, the market will be on the
rebound, early
>>>         april it will pass 30, that will drive an april
speculative
>>>         growth between 33 and 35 that will correct back down
to 29-31
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool


  
  
Both.

bp



On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:


  
  had->Have
  
  On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince
wrote:
  
  

I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has
  actually already had thousands of cases that have not been
  diagnosed.


bp



On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes
  wrote:


  
  Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and
we just had the first death. 
  
  
  That’s not a good track record. 
  
On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince 
wrote:

  
  

  
  Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds,
maybe even thousands of corona viruses in circulation.
One of the issues of "curing" the common cold is because
corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the
opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating
longer than anyone knew, and it's been written off as
just another cold. We shall see.
  
  
  bp



  On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken
Hohhof wrote:
  
  




  Hard to judge fatality rate when
new cases are just starting to rise in a country. 
They may be undercounting the cases because, like
you say, they haven’t been testing.  On the other
hand, maybe the people haven’t had it long enough to
die yet.
   
  Maybe these mystery cases ate bat
or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you almost have to
wonder if there have always been a certain number of
people with this or a related coronavirus and we are
only finding out because we are testing now.  No,
that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  More likely
someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on
them.  With the virus living for up to 9 days on
surfaces, could money become a vehicle for
transmission?  I know lots of people use cards or
their phones to pay for everything, but this could
be the death of paper money and coins.  Think where
that stuff has been.  But on the other hand, the
virus is spreading like crazy in mostly cashless
countries.
   
  Oh, and I saw that a patient in
Washington state has died.  No details.
   
   
  

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57
PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a
pool

  
   
  Interesting that the fatalities  in China are
around 3.4%, yet the fatalities outside China are
only .1%.
  Listening to the news this morning, it's become
apparent that outside of China, no one was prepared,
and that they really have not been testing. Problems
with test kits; like they were not working
correctly, and secondly, no one was testing. 
  I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned
the globe, and the major saving grace is that 80% of
the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it is, after
all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal
with viruses like it all the time.
   
  bp
  
   
  
On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken
  Hohhof wrote:
  
  
From WHO statement yesterday:
“Outside
China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries,
and 67 deaths.
Since
yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania,
Netherlands and Nigeria have all reported their
first cases. All these cases have links to
Italy.
24

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/person-in-washington-state-first-in-us-to-die-from-new-virus/ar-BB10zcXA?li=BBnb7Kz

The important part of this article is that !!!124!!! nurses and staff 
have been sent home for self quarantine.   That's the hidden threat of 
this virus.   UC Davis, which is supposed to be "ON IT" for dealing with 
this virus is now 124 staff short for dealing with new cases.   For a 
minimum of 14 days and likely longer as other cases have the some of the 
same effect.   Folks, if someone has anything like flu symptoms, they 
better be wearing a mask and not touching anything you are dealing 
with.   You better not be touching anything they are and then touching 
your eyes nose or mouth without disinfecting. Is anyone still 
thinking this is just a bad form of flu?  You are kidding yourself.   
Best case 10x more fatal than flu, worst case 50x, _with_ medical 
care.   2-4x more contagious..


On 2/29/20 9:54 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

Where are they popping up everywhere?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews > wrote:


That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now
and it's the tip of the iceberg.

On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it
will sit
> at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
>
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just
to be
> safe.
>
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages
than
> contamination of stock.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>
> >>
wrote:
>
>> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.
Hopefully it
>> arrives more slowly than that.
>>
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com  wrote:
>>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK
hopefully.
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I
can get
>>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price
outside
>>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm
>>> on.   The answer always turns out to be no.  It's amazing that
>>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is
>>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the
>>> price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20
times the
>>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can
cost $20
>>> to get made in the USA.
>>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a
supplier
>>> in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like
>>> they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went
>>> ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently
>>> shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we
don't have
>>> to worry so much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new
Base 3
>>> boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week
that
>>> the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred
supplier in China.
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman
>>> mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the
supply
>>>     chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
>>>     infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
>>>     I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but
doing it
>>>     is years away.
>>>     On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
>>>     mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>         I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major
companies
>>>         will announce contracts to move production to another
>>>         country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
>>>         follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to
>>>         decimate the chinese economy.
>>>         I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
>>>         quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
>>>         Within a week or so the administration will
temporarily ease
>>>         tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
>>>         By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
>>>         present, it will be less impactful.
>>>         Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new
infections are
>>>         beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic
with "it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health
specialists says that, just the media, and karen.
Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4
incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I
like watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.

Monday, 700 point gain

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Both.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> had->Have
>
> On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually
> already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first death.
>
> That’s not a good track record.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands
> of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the common
> cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the
> opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone
> knew, and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in a
> country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they
> haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it
> long enough to die yet.
>
>
>
> Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you
> almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people
> with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we
> are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  More likely
> someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the virus
> living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for
> transmission?  I know lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for
> everything, but this could be the death of paper money and coins.  Think
> where that stuff has been.  But on the other hand, the virus is spreading
> like crazy in mostly cashless countries.
>
>
>
> Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No details.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
>
>
> Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the
> fatalities outside China are only .1%.
>
> Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside of
> China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been testing.
> Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and
> secondly, no one was testing.
>
> I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the
> major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it
> is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses
> like it all the time.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> From WHO statement yesterday:
>
> “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.
>
> Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria have
> all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to Italy.
>
> 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have
> been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
>
> The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected
> countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”
>
> Thanks, Italy and Iran.
>
>
>
> China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South
> Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.
>
>
>
> I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers
> spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food places
> and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is
> feasible here.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.
> Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have
> travelled to China.  If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong
> Kong is even testing pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test people.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
>
>
> Where are they popping up everywhere?
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
>
> That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now
> and it's the tip of the iceberg.
>
> On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt H

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

It’s called logarithmic advancement. Watch where we are in two weeks. It’s 
going to be very bad. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic 
> with "it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health specialists 
> says that, just the media, and karen. 
> Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4 
> incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I 
> like watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.
> 
> Monday, 700 point gain
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>> Both.
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:
>>> had->Have
>>> 
 On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually 
 already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.
 
 
 
 bp
 
 
> On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first 
> death. 
> 
> That’s not a good track record. 
> 
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
>> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands 
>> of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the 
>> common cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly 
>> of the opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than 
>> anyone knew, and it's been written off as just another 
>> cold. We shall see.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in 
>>> a country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, 
>>> they haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t 
>>> had it long enough to die yet.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you 
>>> almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of 
>>> people with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out 
>>> because we are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  
>>> More likely someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  
>>> With the virus living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become 
>>> a vehicle for transmission?  I know lots of people use cards or their 
>>> phones to pay for everything, but this could be the death of paper 
>>> money and coins.  Think where that stuff has been.  But on the other 
>>> hand, the virus is spreading like crazy in mostly cashless countries.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No details.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the 
>>> fatalities outside China are only .1%.
>>> 
>>> Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside 
>>> of China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been 
>>> testing. Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, 
>>> and secondly, no one was testing.
>>> 
>>> I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the 
>>> major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. 
>>> it is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with 
>>> viruses like it all the time.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> 
>>> From WHO statement yesterday:
>>> 
>>> “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.
>>> 
>>> Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria 
>>> have all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to 
>>> Italy.
>>> 
>>> 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases 
>>> have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
>>> 
>>> The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of 
>>> affected countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Italy and Iran.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South 
>>> Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers 
>>> spraying public places with disinfectant,

Re: [AFMUG] OT Matt's ponsi


That is more than doubling your money.
Mediocre, 104% return.

Mediocre...

Nobody would be running a business if they can get those returns.
Running business would be totally wasting time and resources.

-Original Message- 
From: Matt Hoppes

Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:51 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term though 
on a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k.



On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:

Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
Maddoff


Mark



On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

So you almost triple your money each year?



-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Sprinkle around.

Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
international developed and emerging markets.


Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.

I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, 
then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.


My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.


On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:

Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that 
kind of money?


-Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?

Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes 
$5,000/week.


That grows exponentially with little work.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Could be geometrical expansion, linear expansion, second order expansion.  
Totally depends on the R factor which was 2.2 the last I heard.  

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 1:49 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

It’s called logarithmic advancement. Watch where we are in two weeks. It’s 
going to be very bad. 

On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:

  You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic 
with "it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health specialists 
says that, just the media, and karen.  
  Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4 
incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I like 
watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.

  Monday, 700 point gain

  On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Both.

bp

On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:

  had->Have

  On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually 
already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.

bp

On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

  Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first 
death. 

  That’s not a good track record. 

  On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even 
thousands of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the 
common cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the 
opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone knew, 
and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.

bp

On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to 
rise in a country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, 
they haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it 
long enough to die yet.

  Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  
But you almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of 
people with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because 
we are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  More likely 
someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the virus living 
for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for transmission?  I 
know lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for everything, but this 
could be the death of paper money and coins.  Think where that stuff has been.  
But on the other hand, the virus is spreading like crazy in mostly cashless 
countries.

  Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No 
details.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

  Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet 
the fatalities outside China are only .1%.

  Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that 
outside of China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been 
testing. Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and 
secondly, no one was testing. 

  I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, 
and the major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. 
it is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses 
like it all the time.

bp On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

From WHO statement yesterday:

“Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 
67 deaths.

Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and 
Nigeria have all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to 
Italy.

24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 
cases have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.

The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number 
of affected countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”

Thanks, Italy and Iran.

China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases 
and South Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.

I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with 
soldiers spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food 
places and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is 
feasible here.

Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 
400.  Shorta

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

I figured it out, surprising as I always thought the rapture would happen all 
at once and probably overnight.  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic with 
"it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health specialists says 
that, just the media, and karen.  
Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4 
incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I like 
watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.

Monday, 700 point gain

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Both.

bp

On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:

had->Have

On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

  I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually 
already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.

bp

On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first 
death. 

That’s not a good track record. 

On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

  Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even 
thousands of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the 
common cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the 
opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone knew, 
and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.

bp

On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to 
rise in a country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, 
they haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it 
long enough to die yet.

Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But 
you almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people 
with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we are 
testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  More likely someone 
who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the virus living for up 
to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for transmission?  I know 
lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for everything, but this could 
be the death of paper money and coins.  Think where that stuff has been.  But 
on the other hand, the virus is spreading like crazy in mostly cashless 
countries.

Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No 
details.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the 
fatalities outside China are only .1%.

Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that 
outside of China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been 
testing. Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and 
secondly, no one was testing. 

I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and 
the major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it 
is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses like 
it all the time.

bp On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  From WHO statement yesterday:

  “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 
deaths.

  Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and 
Nigeria have all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to 
Italy.

  24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 
cases have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.

  The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of 
affected countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”

  Thanks, Italy and Iran.

  China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and 
South Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.

  I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with 
soldiers spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food 
places and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is 
feasible here.

  Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 
400.  Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have 
travelled to China.  If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong 
Kong is even testing pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test people.

  From: AF ma

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I think I am more interested in compound interest I'm picking dividend stocks 
with a good dividend payout

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Date: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 12:57 PM

The entire idea behind traditional retirement is living off the proceeds of 
your stock investments. 

It’s really not that hard if you plan properly. 

No one has to believe anything I say.  

But we aren’t hurting for cash and business is booming faster than we can keep 
up right now.   I know how we got there, whether anyone believes me when I tell 
them how we got where we are is entirely up to you. 

On Feb 29, 2020, at 1:40 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:

From WHO statement yesterday:“Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 
countries, and 67 deaths.Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, 
Netherlands and Nigeria have all reported their first cases. All these cases 
have links to Italy.24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 
97 cases have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.The continued increase in 
the number of cases, and the number of affected countries over the last few 
days, are clearly of concern.”Thanks, Italy and Iran. China numbers are looking 
promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South Korea 900.  Number of countries 
with confirmed cases is around 60. I see the photos from places like China and 
S. Korea with soldiers spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps 
takeout food places and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder 
if that is feasible here. Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US 
has tested 400.  Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who 
have travelled to China.  If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) 
Hong Kong is even testing pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test people. 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool Where are they popping up 
everywhere?
On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews  wrote:
That's very realistic.  Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now 
and it's the tip of the iceberg.

On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit 
> at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
> 
> We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be 
> safe.
> 
> I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than 
> contamination of stock.
> 
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert  > wrote:
> 
>> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it 
>> arrives more slowly than that.
>>
>> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
>>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
>>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
>>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm 
>>> on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that 
>>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is 
>>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the 
>>> price.   For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the 
>>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20 
>>> to get made in the USA.
>>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier 
>>> in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like 
>>> they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went 
>>> ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently 
>>> shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have 
>>> to worry so much..   We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3 
>>> boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that 
>>> the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
>>> chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
>>> infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
>>> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
>>> is years away.
>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
>>> will announce contracts to move production to another
>>> country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread CBB - Jay Fuller

I too have seen these kind of numbers however they are not consistently up if 
the market is down I can also lose $1,000 on 50K

Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Matt Hoppes" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Date: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 12:51 PM

Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term though on 
a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> 
> Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
> returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
> Maddoff
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> So you almost triple your money each year?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> 
>> Sprinkle around.
>> 
>> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
>> international developed and emerging markets.
>> 
>> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>> 
>> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then 
>> taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>> 
>> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind 
>>> of money?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> 
>>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>>> 
>>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
>>> 
>>> That grows exponentially with little work.
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Correct. You’ve got to watch your money and buy and sell properly. 

Stock market has tow approaches:

Set and forget - and in the long run you’ll make money. 

Or buy and sell often and aggressively make more money if you do it right (or 
lose a lot of money) if you do it wrong. 

I was talking to one of our own who is no longer in the industry, the other 
day, who told me he made around $500 in about 15 minutes of the stock market 
opening doing his day trading. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I too have seen these kind of numbers however they are not consistently up if 
> the market is down I can also lose $1,000 on 50K
> 
> Sent from my smartphone
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> Date: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 12:51 PM
> 
> Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term though 
> on a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k. 
> 
> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
> > 
> > Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
> > returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
> > Maddoff
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> >> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> 
> >> So you almost triple your money each year?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> >> 
> >> Sprinkle around.
> >> 
> >> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
> >> international developed and emerging markets.
> >> 
> >> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
> >> 
> >> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, 
> >> then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
> >> 
> >> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
> >> 
> >>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind 
> >>> of money?
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
> >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> >>> 
> >>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
> >>> 
> >>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
> >>> 
> >>> That grows exponentially with little work.
> >>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool


  
  
There is a saucer hovering outside my window as I write this...


bp



On 2/29/2020 1:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  I figured it out, surprising as I always thought the
rapture would happen all at once and probably overnight.  
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a
  pool
  

 
  
  
You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past
  they scare tactic with "it may stick with you for life" of
  course, no actual health specialists says that, just the
  media, and karen. 
  Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been
in the US about 4 incubation cycles now, during flu
season, when people are most asceptic. I like watchong
bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices
flowing.
   
  Monday, 700 point gain

 

  On Sat, Feb 29, 2020,
2:30 PM Bill Prince 
wrote:
  
  

  Both.
  
  bp



  On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:
  
  had->Have

On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


  I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate
that the US has actually already had thousands
of cases that have not been diagnosed.
   
  bp



  On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
  
  
Well. We have around 60 cases in
  the U.S. and we just had the first death. 
 
That’s not a good track record. 

  On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  


  
Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe
  hundreds, maybe even thousands of corona
  viruses in circulation. One of the issues
  of "curing" the common cold is because
  corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now
  firmly of the opinion that the COVID-19
  virus has been circulating longer than
  anyone knew, and it's been written off as
  just another cold. We shall see.
 
bp



On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof
  wrote:


  
Hard to judge
  fatality rate when new cases are just
  starting to rise in a country.  They
  may be undercounting the cases
  because, like you say, they haven’t
  been testing.  On the other hand,
  maybe the people haven’t had it long
  enough to die yet.
 
Maybe these mystery
  cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just
  kidding.  But you almost have to
  wonder if there have always been a
  certain number of people with this or
  a related coronavirus and we are only
  finding out because we are testing
  now.  No, that sounds like a
  conspiracy theory.  More likely
  someone who travelled to Italy or Iran
  sneezed on them.  With the virus
  living for up to 9 days on surfaces,
  could money become a vehicle for
  transmission?  I know lots of people

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

You got your Nikes on?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

There is a saucer hovering outside my window as I write this...

bp

On 2/29/2020 1:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  I figured it out, surprising as I always thought the rapture would happen all 
at once and probably overnight.  

  From: Steve Jones 
  Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 1:47 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

  You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic 
with "it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health specialists 
says that, just the media, and karen.  
  Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4 
incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I like 
watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.

  Monday, 700 point gain

  On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

Both.

bp

On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:

  had->Have

  On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually 
already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.

bp

On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

  Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first 
death. 

  That’s not a good track record. 

  On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even 
thousands of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the 
common cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the 
opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone knew, 
and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.

bp

On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to 
rise in a country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, 
they haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it 
long enough to die yet.

  Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  
But you almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of 
people with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because 
we are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  More likely 
someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the virus living 
for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for transmission?  I 
know lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for everything, but this 
could be the death of paper money and coins.  Think where that stuff has been.  
But on the other hand, the virus is spreading like crazy in mostly cashless 
countries.

  Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No 
details.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

  Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet 
the fatalities outside China are only .1%.

  Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that 
outside of China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been 
testing. Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and 
secondly, no one was testing. 

  I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, 
and the major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. 
it is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses 
like it all the time.

bp On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

From WHO statement yesterday:

“Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 
67 deaths.

Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and 
Nigeria have all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to 
Italy.

24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 
cases have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.

The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number 
of affected countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”

Thanks, Italy and Iran.

China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases 
and South Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.

I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with 
soldiers spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food 
places and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is 
feasible

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

You literally said it was going to be bad in 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago, karen

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:50 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> It’s called logarithmic advancement. Watch where we are in two weeks. It’s
> going to be very bad.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic
> with "it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health
> specialists says that, just the media, and karen.
> Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4
> incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I
> like watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.
>
> Monday, 700 point gain
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Both.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>> had->Have
>>
>> On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually
>> already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first
>> death.
>>
>> That’s not a good track record.
>>
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands
>> of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the common
>> cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the
>> opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone
>> knew, and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in a
>> country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they
>> haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it
>> long enough to die yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you
>> almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people
>> with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we
>> are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  More likely
>> someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the virus
>> living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for
>> transmission?  I know lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for
>> everything, but this could be the death of paper money and coins.  Think
>> where that stuff has been.  But on the other hand, the virus is spreading
>> like crazy in mostly cashless countries.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No details.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the
>> fatalities outside China are only .1%.
>>
>> Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside of
>> China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been testing.
>> Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and
>> secondly, no one was testing.
>>
>> I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the
>> major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it
>> is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses
>> like it all the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> From WHO statement yesterday:
>>
>> “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.
>>
>> Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria
>> have all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to Italy.
>>
>> 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have
>> been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
>>
>> The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected
>> countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”
>>
>> Thanks, Italy and Iran.
>>
>>
>>
>> China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South
>> Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.
>>
>>
>>
>> I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers
>> spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food places
>> and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is
>> feasible here.
>>
>>
>>
>> Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.
>> Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have
>> travelled to China.  If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong
>> Kong is even testing pets.  We don’t even have enough kits to test people.
>>
>>
>

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

I would call that betting, and the longer term strategy investing.

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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Correct. You’ve got to watch your money and buy and sell properly. 
> 
> Stock market has tow approaches:
> 
> Set and forget - and in the long run you’ll make money. 
> 
> Or buy and sell often and aggressively make more money if you do it right (or 
> lose a lot of money) if you do it wrong. 
> 
> I was talking to one of our own who is no longer in the industry, the other 
> day, who told me he made around $500 in about 15 minutes of the stock market 
> opening doing his day trading. 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I too have seen these kind of numbers however they are not consistently up 
>> if the market is down I can also lose $1,000 on 50K
>> 
>> Sent from my smartphone
>> 
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> Date: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 12:51 PM
>> 
>> Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term though 
>> on a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k. 
>> 
>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>> > 
>> > Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
>> > returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
>> > Maddoff
>> > 
>> > Mark
>> > 
>> > 
>> >> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> So you almost triple your money each year?
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> >> 
>> >> Sprinkle around.
>> >> 
>> >> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
>> >> international developed and emerging markets.
>> >> 
>> >> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>> >> 
>> >> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, 
>> >> then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>> >> 
>> >> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>> >> 
>> >>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that 
>> >>> kind of money?
>> >>> 
>> >>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>> >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> >>> 
>> >>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>> >>> 
>> >>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes 
>> >>> $5,000/week.
>> >>> 
>> >>> That grows exponentially with little work.
>> >>> 
>> >>> -- 
>> >>> AF mailing list
>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> >>> 
>> >>> -- 
>> >>> AF mailing list
>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>> >> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

You’ve got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk 
away. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
> 
> I would call that betting, and the longer term strategy investing.
> 
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
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> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Matt Hoppes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Correct. You’ve got to watch your money and buy and sell properly. 
>> 
>> Stock market has tow approaches:
>> 
>> Set and forget - and in the long run you’ll make money. 
>> 
>> Or buy and sell often and aggressively make more money if you do it right 
>> (or lose a lot of money) if you do it wrong. 
>> 
>> I was talking to one of our own who is no longer in the industry, the other 
>> day, who told me he made around $500 in about 15 minutes of the stock market 
>> opening doing his day trading. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I too have seen these kind of numbers however they are not consistently up 
>>> if the market is down I can also lose $1,000 on 50K
>>> 
>>> Sent from my smartphone
>>> 
>>> - Reply message -
>>> From: "Matt Hoppes" 
>>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>>> Subject: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> Date: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 12:51 PM
>>> 
>>> Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term though 
>>> on a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k. 
>>> 
>>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
>>> > returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
>>> > Maddoff
>>> > 
>>> > Mark
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> >> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> So you almost triple your money each year?
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> 
>>> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>> >> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>>> >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> >> 
>>> >> Sprinkle around.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
>>> >> international developed and emerging markets.
>>> >> 
>>> >> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>>> >> 
>>> >> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, 
>>> >> then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>>> >> 
>>> >> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>>> >> 
>>> >>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that 
>>> >>> kind of money?
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>>> >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes 
>>> >>> $5,000/week.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> That grows exponentially with little work.
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> -- 
>>> >>> AF mailing list
>>> >>> AF@af.afmug.com
>>> >>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>> >>> 
>>> >>> -- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

The best sports better in the world ( on 60 minutes in the 90's ) said 
he would rather sports bet than play the market.   Better returns and 
less inside trading...


On 02/29/2020 01:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

I would call that betting, and the longer term strategy investing.

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On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:



Correct. You’ve got to watch your money and buy and sell properly.

Stock market has tow approaches:

Set and forget - and in the long run you’ll make money.

Or buy and sell often and aggressively make more money if you do it 
right (or lose a lot of money) if you do it wrong.


I was talking to one of our own who is no longer in the industry, the 
other day, who told me he made around $500 in about 15 minutes of the 
stock market opening doing his day trading.


On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller 
mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>> wrote:




I too have seen these kind of numbers however they are not 
consistently up if the market is down I can also lose $1,000 on 50K


Sent from my smartphone

- Reply message -
From: "Matt Hoppes" >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" >

Subject: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Date: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 12:51 PM

Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term though on 
a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k.

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote:
> 
> Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie Maddoff
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:
>> 
>> So you almost triple your money each year?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes

>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> 
>> Sprinkle around.
>> 
>> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then international developed and emerging markets.
>> 
>> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>> 
>> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>> 
>> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind of money?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes

>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> 
>>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>>> 
>>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
>>> 
>>> That grows exponentially with little work.
>>> 
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I would be fascinated by the protocol, share?

On 02/29/2020 07:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
They gave us a protocol for opening the packages.  Not sure if the 
individual PCBs are handled by people but I would think so during 
inspection and packing.

*From:* Robert
*Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:28 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.   Hopefully it 
arrives more slowly than that.


On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
*From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
*Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get 
unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside 
mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm 
on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that 
somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is doing 
as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the price.   
For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the price - a 
board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20 to get made 
in the USA.
So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier 
in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like 
they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead 
and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently shipping, so 
they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have to worry so 
much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3 boards yet, 
but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that the backlog 
will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman 
 wrote:


Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
is years away.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
 wrote:

I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
will announce contracts to move production to another country,
like within the next two weeks. Many other will follow suit,
diversity in production is probably going to decimate the
chinese economy.
I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease
tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
present, it will be less impactful.
Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are
beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance
comes on board, its loose in california, and they poop on the
streets, so there will be some controlled outbreaks there, no
worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is here, excluding some
major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this will have
major geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in
the markets). its probably going to do some harm in africa
with the locusts, but i dont know that africa really impacts
markets, they still have ebola running around.
By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early
april it will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative
growth between 33 and 35 that will correct back down to 29-31
in may.
around this time production will be back to normal, and the
reorganized sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine
will be moving to the next stage
supply chain disruptions will be recovering
china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give
everybody a gleeful feeling of global unity.
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:

I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster
ride.  And it was up so high too
*From:* Matt Hoppes
*Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
Let it keep going down!  I moved everything to Money
Market Monday. Once it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in
stocks.

On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl
 wrote:


I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy as
much up as possible :)
On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM  wrote:

How long before the stock market recovers.  Stats

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Jeff Broadwick - Lists

“Ruby, don’t take your love to town”...oh, wait...

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> You’ve got to know when to hold em, know when to fold em, know when to walk 
> away. 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:
>> 
>> I would call that betting, and the longer term strategy investing.
>> 
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>> 
 On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:12 PM, Matt Hoppes 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> Correct. You’ve got to watch your money and buy and sell properly. 
>>> 
>>> Stock market has tow approaches:
>>> 
>>> Set and forget - and in the long run you’ll make money. 
>>> 
>>> Or buy and sell often and aggressively make more money if you do it right 
>>> (or lose a lot of money) if you do it wrong. 
>>> 
>>> I was talking to one of our own who is no longer in the industry, the other 
>>> day, who told me he made around $500 in about 15 minutes of the stock 
>>> market opening doing his day trading. 
>>> 
 On Feb 29, 2020, at 4:07 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  
 wrote:
 
 
 I too have seen these kind of numbers however they are not consistently up 
 if the market is down I can also lose $1,000 on 50K
 
 Sent from my smartphone
 
 - Reply message -
 From: "Matt Hoppes" 
 To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
 Subject: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
 Date: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 12:51 PM
 
 Sometimes it goes up. Sometimes it goes down. Even in the short term 
 though on a mediocre run you can easily make $1,000/week on $50k. 
 
 > On Feb 29, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Mark Radabaugh  wrote:
 > 
 > Matt’s obviously In the wrong business. If he can consistently get 260% 
 > returns then he has far exceeded the skills of Warren Buffett and Bernie 
 > Maddoff
 > 
 > Mark
 > 
 > 
 >> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
 >> 
 >> So you almost triple your money each year?
 >> 
 >> 
 >> 
 >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
 >> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
 >> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
 >> 
 >> Sprinkle around.
 >> 
 >> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
 >> international developed and emerging markets.
 >> 
 >> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
 >> 
 >> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, 
 >> then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
 >> 
 >> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
 >> 
 >>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   
 >>> wrote:
 >>> 
 >>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that 
 >>> kind of money?
 >>> 
 >>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
 >>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
 >>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
 >>> 
 >>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
 >>> 
 >>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes 
 >>> $5,000/week.
 >>> 
 >>> That grows exponentially with little work.
 >>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Jon Langeler

Send me a PM on your next trades if you could!

Jon Langeler
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> On Feb 29, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Matt Hoppes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes. I’ve been very happy with my stock market runs. 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM,   wrote:
>> 
>> So you almost triple your money each year?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> 
>> Sprinkle around.
>> 
>> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
>> international developed and emerging markets.
>> 
>> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>> 
>> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, then 
>> taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>> 
>> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>> 
 On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind 
>>> of money?
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> 
>>> Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
>>> 
>>> Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
>>> 
>>> That grows exponentially with little work.
>>> 
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I can tell you. lol

It’s going to be awhile though. Need to wait for Wuhan Flu to blow over. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 5:19 PM, Jon Langeler  wrote:
> 
> Send me a PM on your next trades if you could!
> 
> Jon Langeler
> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 1:50 PM, Matt Hoppes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes. I’ve been very happy with my stock market runs. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:57 AM,   wrote:
>>> 
>>> So you almost triple your money each year?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:33 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>> 
>>> Sprinkle around.
>>> 
>>> Some in the main stock market, mid cap, large cap and small cap. Then 
>>> international developed and emerging markets.
>>> 
>>> Sprinkle it around and the return is amazing.
>>> 
>>> I’ve thrown money into the stock market, let it sit for a month or two, 
>>> then taken out the proceeds to buy a new piece of equipment.
>>> 
>>> My wisp was also 0 debt funded for start by the stock market.
>>> 
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM,   wrote:
 
 Wow,  260% annual return?  How does one carefully invest to get that kind 
 of money?
 
 -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 6:11 AM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
 
 Why would a wisp is wet invest in stocks?
 
 Because $100,000 invested carefully in the stock market makes $5,000/week.
 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Steve,

Lets assume Chain is shoveling us a bunch of shit numbers. We can also assume that the high death rate in China is due to their total lack of concern for the older citizens. Let's be brutally honest, how much time, effort and money are they going to spend on a 60+ old rice/pig farmer to keep him/her alive.

Now lets look at the giant floating petri dish called the diamond princess. That ship had about 3500 people on it. Last I heard there were 705 cases confirmed. I would have to say that almost 100% of those people on that ship came into contact with the virus at some point in time. The quarantine was a failure. But for argument sake, lets say only 1750 (50%) of the people were exposed. That means only 4 in 10 people exposed got the virus. Remember only 5% of the people that got the virus are in critical condition at the moment. I'm also betting that number is skewed based on the age group that ship targets.

At the end of the day, some people will get this virus, some people will die. Unfortunately this happens all the time, people get sick and people die. People react differently to different viruses not everyone is going to be infected.

The panic the media is causing with this is disgusting. I can understand some of the fringe outlets using bait click headlines, but even the big boys are stooping to new lows to try to get eyeballs.

There is a lot of stuff we don't know about this virus, but just repeating made up shit that you read somewhere on facebook is not helping. My made up shit is just as valid as anyone else's. So here is my made up shit...

I think this will start leveling off as the weather gets warmer. We will get a good idea how it will react to warm weather over the next two weeks. Let's watch Brazil, Mexico, Sri Lanka and the other areas that are getting warmer weather. Lets see if in 2-3 weeks, they blow up like S. Korea. Lets see how this starts to spread in the states. The month of March is going to be huge. In the next week, spring break starts. We will be getting college students with not the best hygiene habits descending on AZ, TX, FL, LA, AL, etc. Talking about a giant petri dish. Then they all go back to school to share with their friends and teachers.

I'm not panicking yet. Hell, I'll be a Disney World in two weeks unless something drastic happens.

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Saturday, February 29, 2020, 4:26:17 PM, you wrote:

You literally said it was going to be bad in 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago, karen

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:50 PM Matt Hoppes wrote:

It’s called logarithmic advancement. Watch where we are in two weeks. It’s going to be very bad.

On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic with "it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health specialists says that, just the media, and karen.
Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4 incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I like watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.

Monday, 700 point gain

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince wrote:

Both.
bp

On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:

had->Have

On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.

On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:

Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first death.

That’s not a good track record.

On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince wrote:

Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the common cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone knew, and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.

On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in a country. They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they haven’t been testing. On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it long enough to die yet.

Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin. Just kidding. But you almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we are testing now. No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory. More likely someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them. With the virus living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Ive been licking everything that comes from china.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 4:02 PM Robert Andrews  wrote:

> I would be fascinated by the protocol, share?
>
> On 02/29/2020 07:32 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > They gave us a protocol for opening the packages.  Not sure if the
> > individual PCBs are handled by people but I would think so during
> > inspection and packing.
> > *From:* Robert
> > *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 8:28 AM
> > *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> > Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic.   Hopefully it
> > arrives more slowly than that.
> >
> > On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >> Our boards shipped last week.  So I think things will be OK hopefully.
> >> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
> >> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get
> >> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside
> >> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm
> >> on.   The answer always turns out to be no.   It's amazing that
> >> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is doing
> >> as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the price.
> >> For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the price - a
> >> board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20 to get made
> >> in the USA.
> >> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier
> >> in China.   Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like
> >> they're close to caught up.  In an abundance of caution, we went ahead
> >> and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently shipping, so
> >> they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have to worry so
> >> much.   We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3 boards yet,
> >> but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that the backlog
> >> will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.
> >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
> >> chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
> >> infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
> >> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
> >> is years away.
> >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
> >> will announce contracts to move production to another country,
> >> like within the next two weeks. Many other will follow suit,
> >> diversity in production is probably going to decimate the
> >> chinese economy.
> >> I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
> >> quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
> >> Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease
> >> tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
> >> By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
> >> present, it will be less impactful.
> >> Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are
> >> beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more surveillance
> >> comes on board, its loose in california, and they poop on the
> >> streets, so there will be some controlled outbreaks there, no
> >> worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is here, excluding some
> >> major calamity, like an outbreak in mexico (this will have
> >> major geopolitical consequence that will heavily reflect in
> >> the markets). its probably going to do some harm in africa
> >> with the locusts, but i dont know that africa really impacts
> >> markets, they still have ebola running around.
> >> By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early
> >> april it will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative
> >> growth between 33 and 35 that will correct back down to 29-31
> >> in may.
> >> around this time production will be back to normal, and the
> >> reorganized sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine
> >> will be moving to the next stage
> >> supply chain disruptions will be recovering
> >> china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give
> >> everybody a gleeful feeling of global unity.
> >> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM  wrote:
> >>
> >> I should have moved it, but I will take the roller coaster
> >> ride.  And it was up so high too
> >> *From:* Matt Hoppes
> >> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
> >> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> >> *Subject:* Re: [AFM

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Well, 2 of west coast cases have been found to have a nursing home in
common, it was reported the death was a male resident of the nursing home
("reported" because earlier he was a she, never know these days what bio it
is with floating pronouns) if it was a nursing home, then we will find out
just how viralent it is. Nursing homes are death camps for communicable
disease. With a patient haveing gone through the imcubation period that
matt says youre contagous, to the symptomatic stage, all the way to death,
every resident should have it, and at least half the staff.

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 5:04 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Steve,
>
> Lets assume Chain is shoveling us a bunch of shit numbers.  We can also
> assume that the high death rate in China is due to their total lack of
> concern for the older citizens.  Let's be brutally honest, how much time,
> effort and money are they going to spend on a 60+ old rice/pig farmer to
> keep him/her alive.
>
> Now lets look at the giant floating petri dish called the diamond
> princess. That ship had about 3500 people on it.  Last I heard there were
> 705 cases confirmed.  I would have to say that almost 100% of those people
> on that ship came into contact with the virus at some point in time.  The
> quarantine was a failure.  But for argument sake, lets say only 1750 (50%)
> of the people were exposed.  That means only 4 in 10 people exposed got the
> virus.  Remember only 5% of the people that got the virus are in critical
> condition at the moment.  I'm also betting that number is skewed based on
> the age group that ship targets.
>
> At the end of the day, some people will get this virus, some people will
> die.  Unfortunately this happens all the time, people get sick and people
> die.  People react differently to different viruses not everyone is going
> to be infected.
>
> The panic the media is causing with this is disgusting.  I can understand
> some of the fringe outlets using bait click headlines, but even the big
> boys are stooping to new lows to try to get eyeballs.
>
> There is a lot of stuff we don't know about this virus, but just repeating
> made up shit that you read somewhere on facebook is not helping.  My made
> up shit is just as valid as anyone else's.  So here is my made up shit...
>
> I think this will start leveling off as the weather gets warmer.  We will
> get a good idea how it will react to warm weather over the next two weeks.
> Let's watch Brazil, Mexico, Sri Lanka and the other areas that are getting
> warmer weather.  Lets see if in 2-3 weeks, they blow up like S. Korea.
> Lets see how this starts to spread in the states.  The month of March is
> going to be huge.  In the next week, spring break starts.  We will be
> getting college students with not the best hygiene habits descending on AZ,
> TX, FL, LA, AL, etc.  Talking about a giant petri dish. Then they all go
> back to school to share with their friends and teachers.
>
> I'm not panicking yet.  Hell, I'll be a Disney World in two weeks unless
> something drastic happens.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
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>
> Saturday, February 29, 2020, 4:26:17 PM, you wrote:
>
>
> You literally said it was going to be bad in 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago, karen
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:50 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> It’s called logarithmic advancement. Watch where we are in two weeks. It’s
> going to be very bad.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
>
> You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic
> with "it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health
> specialists says that, just the media, and karen.
> Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4
> incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I
> like watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.
>
> Monday, 700 point gain
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Both.
> bp
> 
>
> On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:
>
> had->Have
>
> On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually
> already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>
> Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first death.
>
> That’s not a good track record.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>
> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands
> of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the common
> cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the
> opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone
> knew, and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM,

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Washington state officials said Saturday they have seen at least two new 
coronavirus cases tied to a longterm care facility, the  
 Life Care Center of Kirkland.

The patient who died, however, was not tied to the care facility.

"At this point, we don't have links," Duchin said.

Duchin said he was "very concerned" about spread in the facility, which has 
about 108 residents and 180 staff. About 27 residents were showing symptoms, as 
well as 25 staff, Duchin said.

One worker at the facility – a person in their 40s with no known travel history 
to affected areas – tested positive for the virus and was in satisfactory 
condition, officials said.

A resident at the facility in their 70s also tested positive and was in serious 
condition.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 5:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

Well, 2 of west coast cases have been found to have a nursing home in common, 
it was reported the death was a male resident of the nursing home ("reported" 
because earlier he was a she, never know these days what bio it is with 
floating pronouns) if it was a nursing home, then we will find out just how 
viralent it is. Nursing homes are death camps for communicable disease. With a 
patient haveing gone through the imcubation period that matt says youre 
contagous, to the symptomatic stage, all the way to death, every resident 
should have it, and at least half the staff.

 

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 5:04 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies mailto:m...@mailmt.com> > wrote:

Steve,

Lets assume Chain is shoveling us a bunch of shit numbers.  We can also assume 
that the high death rate in China is due to their total lack of concern for the 
older citizens.  Let's be brutally honest, how much time, effort and money are 
they going to spend on a 60+ old rice/pig farmer to keep him/her alive.

Now lets look at the giant floating petri dish called the diamond princess. 
That ship had about 3500 people on it.  Last I heard there were 705 cases 
confirmed.  I would have to say that almost 100% of those people on that ship 
came into contact with the virus at some point in time.  The quarantine was a 
failure.  But for argument sake, lets say only 1750 (50%) of the people were 
exposed.  That means only 4 in 10 people exposed got the virus.  Remember only 
5% of the people that got the virus are in critical condition at the moment.  
I'm also betting that number is skewed based on the age group that ship targets.

At the end of the day, some people will get this virus, some people will die.  
Unfortunately this happens all the time, people get sick and people die.  
People react differently to different viruses not everyone is going to be 
infected.

The panic the media is causing with this is disgusting.  I can understand some 
of the fringe outlets using bait click headlines, but even the big boys are 
stooping to new lows to try to get eyeballs.

There is a lot of stuff we don't know about this virus, but just repeating made 
up shit that you read somewhere on facebook is not helping.  My made up shit is 
just as valid as anyone else's.  So here is my made up shit...

I think this will start leveling off as the weather gets warmer.  We will get a 
good idea how it will react to warm weather over the next two weeks.  Let's 
watch Brazil, Mexico, Sri Lanka and the other areas that are getting warmer 
weather.  Lets see if in 2-3 weeks, they blow up like S. Korea.  Lets see how 
this starts to spread in the states.  The month of March is going to be huge.  
In the next week, spring break starts.  We will be getting college students 
with not the best hygiene habits descending on AZ, TX, FL, LA, AL, etc.  
Talking about a giant petri dish. Then they all go back to school to share with 
their friends and teachers.  

I'm not panicking yet.  Hell, I'll be a Disney World in two weeks unless 
something drastic happens. 

  

  

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Saturday, February 29, 2020, 4:26:17 PM, you wrote:


You literally said it was going to be bad in 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago, karen

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:50 PM Matt Hoppes < 
 mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> 
wrote:


It’s called logarithmic advancement. Watch where we are in two weeks. It’s 
going to be very bad. 

On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Steve Jones <  
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:


You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic with 
"it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health specialists says 
that, just the media, and karen. 
Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4 
incubation cycles now, during

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

I’m not panicking yet. 

I’m *probably* attending the show. We’ll see where things end up in two weeks. 

I’m seriously considering bowing out of MuM and an event the month after at 
this point though. We shall see. 

Remember the lily pad problem:

A single lily pad is on a pond and the number double every day. In 28 days the 
entire pond will be covered. It’s on day 27 that only half the pond is covered. 
Days 1-26 look pretty calm. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Its been close to 60 days here, the pond should be overflowing

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 5:40 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> I’m not panicking yet.
>
> I’m *probably* attending the show. We’ll see where things end up in two
> weeks.
>
> I’m seriously considering bowing out of MuM and an event the month after
> at this point though. We shall see.
>
> Remember the lily pad problem:
>
> A single lily pad is on a pond and the number double every day. In 28 days
> the entire pond will be covered. It’s on day 27 that only half the pond is
> covered. Days 1-26 look pretty calm.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

See who do you believe state officials, government officials, media pundits
(we dont have journalists now), witnesses, victims, matt...er karen? They
all say different things. The two maps at least have the public record
numbers

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 5:26 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Washington state officials said Saturday they have seen at least two new
> coronavirus cases tied to a longterm care facility, the Life Care Center
> of Kirkland .
>
> The patient who died, however, was not tied to the care facility.
>
> "At this point, we don't have links," Duchin said.
>
> Duchin said he was "very concerned" about spread in the facility, which
> has about 108 residents and 180 staff. About 27 residents were showing
> symptoms, as well as 25 staff, Duchin said.
>
> One worker at the facility – a person in their 40s with no known travel
> history to affected areas – tested positive for the virus and was in
> satisfactory condition, officials said.
>
> A resident at the facility in their 70s also tested positive and was in
> serious condition.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 5:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
>
>
> Well, 2 of west coast cases have been found to have a nursing home in
> common, it was reported the death was a male resident of the nursing home
> ("reported" because earlier he was a she, never know these days what bio it
> is with floating pronouns) if it was a nursing home, then we will find out
> just how viralent it is. Nursing homes are death camps for communicable
> disease. With a patient haveing gone through the imcubation period that
> matt says youre contagous, to the symptomatic stage, all the way to death,
> every resident should have it, and at least half the staff.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 5:04 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
> Steve,
>
> Lets assume Chain is shoveling us a bunch of shit numbers.  We can also
> assume that the high death rate in China is due to their total lack of
> concern for the older citizens.  Let's be brutally honest, how much time,
> effort and money are they going to spend on a 60+ old rice/pig farmer to
> keep him/her alive.
>
> Now lets look at the giant floating petri dish called the diamond
> princess. That ship had about 3500 people on it.  Last I heard there were
> 705 cases confirmed.  I would have to say that almost 100% of those people
> on that ship came into contact with the virus at some point in time.  The
> quarantine was a failure.  But for argument sake, lets say only 1750 (50%)
> of the people were exposed.  That means only 4 in 10 people exposed got the
> virus.  Remember only 5% of the people that got the virus are in critical
> condition at the moment.  I'm also betting that number is skewed based on
> the age group that ship targets.
>
> At the end of the day, some people will get this virus, some people will
> die.  Unfortunately this happens all the time, people get sick and people
> die.  People react differently to different viruses not everyone is going
> to be infected.
>
> The panic the media is causing with this is disgusting.  I can understand
> some of the fringe outlets using bait click headlines, but even the big
> boys are stooping to new lows to try to get eyeballs.
>
> There is a lot of stuff we don't know about this virus, but just repeating
> made up shit that you read somewhere on facebook is not helping.  My made
> up shit is just as valid as anyone else's.  So here is my made up shit...
>
> I think this will start leveling off as the weather gets warmer.  We will
> get a good idea how it will react to warm weather over the next two weeks.
> Let's watch Brazil, Mexico, Sri Lanka and the other areas that are getting
> warmer weather.  Lets see if in 2-3 weeks, they blow up like S. Korea.
> Lets see how this starts to spread in the states.  The month of March is
> going to be huge.  In the next week, spring break starts.  We will be
> getting college students with not the best hygiene habits descending on AZ,
> TX, FL, LA, AL, etc.  Talking about a giant petri dish. Then they all go
> back to school to share with their friends and teachers.
>
> I'm not panicking yet.  Hell, I'll be a Disney World in two weeks unless
> something drastic happens.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Technologies, Inc.
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Saturday, February 29, 2020, 4:26:17 PM, you wrote:
>
> You literally said it was going to be bad in 2 weeks, 3 weeks ago, karen
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:50 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> It’s called logarithmic advancement. Watch where we are in two weeks. It’s
> going to be very bad.
>
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic
> with "

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Well, it would be nice to see more preparation.  Not testing more people was 
bad, we can’t unspill that milk.

 

There should be extra hospital beds being identified, and triage facilities 
with properly protected healthcare workers, so people who think they are 
infected don’t just walk into their doctor or hospital’s waiting room.

 

Maybe I’m the only one, but I honestly don’t know what I am supposed to do if I 
get sick.  Call the doctor?  Stay inside and see how bad it gets?  Go get 
tested?  Where?

 

South Korea and parts of the UK have set up drive-through testing facilities 
where you don’t leave your car.  That sounds like maybe a good thing.  Or let 
me swab my own throat and have someone bring it somewhere for testing.  Then if 
the test comes back positive, what am I supposed to do?

 

Maybe this is where telemedicine comes in.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 5:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

 

Its been close to 60 days here, the pond should be overflowing

 

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 5:40 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

I’m not panicking yet. 

I’m *probably* attending the show. We’ll see where things end up in two weeks. 

I’m seriously considering bowing out of MuM and an event the month after at 
this point though. We shall see. 

Remember the lily pad problem:

A single lily pad is on a pond and the number double every day. In 28 days the 
entire pond will be covered. It’s on day 27 that only half the pond is covered. 
Days 1-26 look pretty calm. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

2020-02-29 Thread Mark - Myakka Technologies

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool


Ken,

Want to make a billion $. Develop a at home self test kit and sell it on Amazon for about $5 - $10.  There will be people buying cases of the kits so they can test themselves every hour to to be sure.
 
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Saturday, February 29, 2020, 7:05:25 PM, you wrote:





Well, it would be nice to see more preparation.  Not testing more people was bad, we can’t unspill that milk.
 
There should be extra hospital beds being identified, and triage facilities with properly protected healthcare workers, so people who think they are infected don’t just walk into their doctor or hospital’s waiting room.
 
Maybe I’m the only one, but I honestly don’t know what I am supposed to do if I get sick.  Call the doctor?  Stay inside and see how bad it gets?  Go get tested?  Where?
 
South Korea and parts of the UK have set up drive-through testing facilities where you don’t leave your car.  That sounds like maybe a good thing.  Or let me swab my own throat and have someone bring it somewhere for testing.  Then if the test comes back positive, what am I supposed to do?
 
Maybe this is where telemedicine comes in.
 
 
From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 5:44 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
 
Its been close to 60 days here, the pond should be overflowing
 
On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 5:40 PM Matt Hoppes  wrote:




I’m not panicking yet. 

I’m *probably* attending the show. We’ll see where things end up in two weeks. 

I’m seriously considering bowing out of MuM and an event the month after at this point though. We shall see. 

Remember the lily pad problem:

A single lily pad is on a pond and the number double every day. In 28 days the entire pond will be covered. It’s on day 27 that only half the pond is covered. Days 1-26 look pretty calm. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

Close to 60 days since Wuhan broke out. 

It’s gaining steam here in the U.S. 

There’s about a 14 day incubation period and some people can be asymptomatic 
which means they are silent spreaders. 

This means by the time we hear of deaths, the disease is already well infected 
that area. There is a severe lag here because of the way this virus works:

Day 1-14: Incubation
Day 15-21: Cold Like Symptoms
Days 22-30: Severe Symptoms (if they are going to develop)
Followed by death. 

By that point the infected has had at least 14 days or longer to infect other 
people. 

In some cases symptoms have improved for the infected only to then take a 
serious dive down and result in death. 

> On Feb 29, 2020, at 6:43 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> Its been close to 60 days here, the pond should be overflowing
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 5:40 PM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> I’m not panicking yet. 
>> 
>> I’m *probably* attending the show. We’ll see where things end up in two 
>> weeks. 
>> 
>> I’m seriously considering bowing out of MuM and an event the month after at 
>> this point though. We shall see. 
>> 
>> Remember the lily pad problem:
>> 
>> A single lily pad is on a pond and the number double every day. In 28 days 
>> the entire pond will be covered. It’s on day 27 that only half the pond is 
>> covered. Days 1-26 look pretty calm. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

All that has been done. Thats ongoing, always has been.
More testing? Of whom?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 6:06 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Well, it would be nice to see more preparation.  Not testing more people
> was bad, we can’t unspill that milk.
>
>
>
> There should be extra hospital beds being identified, and triage
> facilities with properly protected healthcare workers, so people who think
> they are infected don’t just walk into their doctor or hospital’s waiting
> room.
>
>
>
> Maybe I’m the only one, but I honestly don’t know what I am supposed to do
> if I get sick.  Call the doctor?  Stay inside and see how bad it gets?  Go
> get tested?  Where?
>
>
>
> South Korea and parts of the UK have set up drive-through testing
> facilities where you don’t leave your car.  That sounds like maybe a good
> thing.  Or let me swab my own throat and have someone bring it somewhere
> for testing.  Then if the test comes back positive, what am I supposed to
> do?
>
>
>
> Maybe this is where telemedicine comes in.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 5:44 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
>
>
> Its been close to 60 days here, the pond should be overflowing
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 5:40 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> I’m not panicking yet.
>
> I’m *probably* attending the show. We’ll see where things end up in two
> weeks.
>
> I’m seriously considering bowing out of MuM and an event the month after
> at this point though. We shall see.
>
> Remember the lily pad problem:
>
> A single lily pad is on a pond and the number double every day. In 28 days
> the entire pond will be covered. It’s on day 27 that only half the pond is
> covered. Days 1-26 look pretty calm.
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Re: [AFMUG] equipment lease/purchase companies

2020-02-29 Thread Chris Fabien

We have done some with LCA and process has been fine but rates a bit high.
Latest equipment we have financed through the dealer at around 5-5.5% I
believe.

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 1:33 PM Dev  wrote:

> Has anyone had a good experience with equipment lease/purchase/finance
> companies for things like mini-ex, directional bore, etc? Our local banks
> are totally clueless on equipment, so you have to go find a broker (who
> takes a cut) who shops it to an out-of-state non-retail bank.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool


  
  
Gotta run to get my foil hat.

bp



On 2/29/2020 1:17 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  You got your Nikes on?
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:12 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a
  pool
  

 
  
  
There is a saucer hovering outside my window as I write
  this...
 
bp



On 2/29/2020 1:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  

  I figured it out, surprising as I always thought
the rapture would happen all at once and probably
overnight.  
  

   
  
From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020
  1:47 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave
Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we
  start a pool
  

 
  
  
You want me to list all the diseases in the
  recent past they scare tactic with "it may stick
  with you for life" of course, no actual health
  specialists says that, just the media, and karen. 
  Im waiting still to see an explosion of
cases. Been in the US about 4 incubation cycles
now, during flu season, when people are most
asceptic. I like watchong bloviating over
nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.
   
  Monday, 700 point gain

 

  On Sat, Feb 29,
2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince 
wrote:
  
  

  Both.
  
  bp



  On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:
  
  had->Have

On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


  I'm going to go out on a limb and
speculate that the US has actually
already had thousands of cases that have
not been diagnosed.
   
  bp



  On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes
wrote:
  
  
Well. We have around 60
  cases in the U.S. and we just had the
  first death. 
 
That’s not a good track
  record. 

  On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill
  Prince 
  wrote:
  


  
Don't forget that there are
  dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even
  thousands of corona viruses in
  circulation. One of the issues of
  "curing" the common cold is
  because corona viruses mutate like
  crazy. I am now firmly of the
  opinion that the COVID-19 virus
  has been circulating longer than
  anyone knew, and it's been written
  off as just another cold. We shall
  see.
 
bp



On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken
  Hohhof wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool

I sometimes wonder if the rapture didnt already happen and it turns out we
are just all terrible people

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 8:33 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Gotta run to get my foil hat.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/29/2020 1:17 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> You got your Nikes on?
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 2:12 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
>
> There is a saucer hovering outside my window as I write this...
>
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/29/2020 1:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> I figured it out, surprising as I always thought the rapture would happen
> all at once and probably overnight.
>
> *From:* Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 1:47 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>
> You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic
> with "it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health
> specialists says that, just the media, and karen.
> Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4
> incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I
> like watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.
>
> Monday, 700 point gain
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
>> Both.
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:
>>
>> had->Have
>>
>> On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually
>> already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>
>> Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first
>> death.
>>
>> That’s not a good track record.
>>
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>>
>> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands
>> of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the common
>> cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the
>> opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone
>> knew, and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in a
>> country.  They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they
>> haven’t been testing.  On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it
>> long enough to die yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin.  Just kidding.  But you
>> almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people
>> with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we
>> are testing now.  No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.  More likely
>> someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.  With the virus
>> living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for
>> transmission?  I know lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for
>> everything, but this could be the death of paper money and coins.  Think
>> where that stuff has been.  But on the other hand, the virus is spreading
>> like crazy in mostly cashless countries.
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died.  No details.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>
>>
>>
>> Interesting that the fatalities  in China are around 3.4%, yet the
>> fatalities outside China are only .1%.
>>
>> Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside of
>> China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been testing.
>> Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and
>> secondly, no one was testing.
>>
>> I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the
>> major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it
>> is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses
>> like it all the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> From WHO statement yesterday:
>>
>> “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.
>>
>> Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria
>> have all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to Italy.
>>
>> 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have
>> been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
>>
>> The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected
>> countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”
>>
>> Thanks, Italy and Iran.
>>
>>
>>
>> China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South
>> Korea 900.  Number of countries with confirmed

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