Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first death.
That’s not a good track record.
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands of
> corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the common cold
> is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the opinion
> that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone knew, and
> it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.
>
>
>
> bp
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>
>> On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in a
>> country. They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they
>> haven’t been testing. On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it
>> long enough to die yet.
>>
>> Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin. Just kidding. But you
>> almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people
>> with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we
>> are testing now. No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory. More
>> likely someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them. With the
>> virus living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for
>> transmission? I know lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for
>> everything, but this could be the death of paper money and coins. Think
>> where that stuff has been. But on the other hand, the virus is spreading
>> like crazy in mostly cashless countries.
>>
>> Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died. No details.
>>
>>
>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>
>> Interesting that the fatalities in China are around 3.4%, yet the
>> fatalities outside China are only .1%.
>>
>> Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside of
>> China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been testing.
>> Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and secondly,
>> no one was testing.
>>
>> I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the major
>> saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it is, after
>> all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses like it all
>> the time.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>> On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> From WHO statement yesterday:
>> “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.
>>
>> Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria have
>> all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to Italy.
>>
>> 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have
>> been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
>>
>> The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected
>> countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”
>>
>> Thanks, Italy and Iran.
>>
>> China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South Korea
>> 900. Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.
>>
>> I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers spraying
>> public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food places and
>> stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that is feasible
>> here.
>>
>> Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.
>> Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have travelled
>> to China. If you can believe the Internet (stupid question) Hong Kong is
>> even testing pets. We don’t even have enough kits to test people.
>>
>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>
>> Where are they popping up everywhere?
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote:
>> That's very realistic. Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now
>> and it's the tip of the iceberg.
>>
>> On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> > It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit
>> > at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
>> >
>> > We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be
>> > safe.
>> >
>> > I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than
>> > contamination of stock.
>> >
>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it
>> >> arrives more slowly than that.
>> >>
>> >> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> >>> Our boards shipped last week. So I think things will be OK hopefully.
>> >>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> >>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get
>> >>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside
>> >>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm
>> >>> on. The answer always turns out to be no. It's amazing that
>> >>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is
>> >>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the
>> >>> price. For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the
>> >>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20
>> >>> to get made in the USA.
>> >>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier
>> >>> in China. Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like
>> >>> they're close to caught up. In an abundance of caution, we went
>> >>> ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently
>> >>> shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have
>> >>> to worry so much. We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3
>> >>> boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that
>> >>> the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in China.
>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman
>> >>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
>> >>> chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
>> >>> infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
>> >>> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
>> >>> is years away.
>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
>> >>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
>> >>> will announce contracts to move production to another
>> >>> country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
>> >>> follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to
>> >>> decimate the chinese economy.
>> >>> I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
>> >>> quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
>> >>> Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease
>> >>> tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
>> >>> By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
>> >>> present, it will be less impactful.
>> >>> Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are
>> >>> beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more
>> >>> surveillance comes on board, its loose in california, and
>> >>> they poop on the streets, so there will be some controlled
>> >>> outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is
>> >>> here, excluding some major calamity, like an outbreak in
>> >>> mexico (this will have major geopolitical consequence that
>> >>> will heavily reflect in the markets). its probably going to
>> >>> do some harm in africa with the locusts, but i dont know that
>> >>> africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola running
>> >>> around.
>> >>> By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early
>> >>> april it will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative
>> >>> growth between 33 and 35 that will correct back down to 29-31
>> >>> in may.
>> >>> around this time production will be back to normal, and the
>> >>> reorganized sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine
>> >>> will be moving to the next stage
>> >>> supply chain disruptions will be recovering
>> >>> china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give
>> >>> everybody a gleeful feeling of global unity.
>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I should have moved it, but I will take the roller
>> >>> coaster ride. And it was up so high too....
>> >>> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>> >>> Let it keep going down! I moved everything to Money
>> >>> Market Monday. Once it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in
>> >>> stocks.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl
>> >>> <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy
>> >>>> as much up as possible :)
>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How long before the stock market recovers. Stats
>> >>>> would suggest 4 months.
>> >>>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like
>> >>>> the sky is falling thing, I am sure that will
>> >>>> extend this correction.
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