That would actually be very good news if discovered.
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually already
> had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.
>
>
>
> bp
> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>
>> On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>> Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first death.
>>
>> That’s not a good track record.
>>
>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands of
>>> corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the common
>>> cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly of the
>>> opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than anyone
>>> knew, and it's been written off as just another cold. We shall see.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> bp
>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>> Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in a
>>>> country. They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say, they
>>>> haven’t been testing. On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t had it
>>>> long enough to die yet.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin. Just kidding. But you
>>>> almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of people
>>>> with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out because we
>>>> are testing now. No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory. More likely
>>>> someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them. With the virus
>>>> living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become a vehicle for
>>>> transmission? I know lots of people use cards or their phones to pay for
>>>> everything, but this could be the death of paper money and coins. Think
>>>> where that stuff has been. But on the other hand, the virus is spreading
>>>> like crazy in mostly cashless countries.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died. No details.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>>
>>>> Interesting that the fatalities in China are around 3.4%, yet the
>>>> fatalities outside China are only .1%.
>>>>
>>>> Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside of
>>>> China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been testing.
>>>> Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly, and
>>>> secondly, no one was testing.
>>>>
>>>> I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the
>>>> major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic. it
>>>> is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with viruses
>>>> like it all the time.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>> On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>> From WHO statement yesterday:
>>>> “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.
>>>>
>>>> Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria have
>>>> all reported their first cases. All these cases have
>>>> links to Italy.
>>>>
>>>> 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases have
>>>> been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
>>>>
>>>> The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of affected
>>>> countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, Italy and Iran.
>>>>
>>>> China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South
>>>> Korea 900. Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.
>>>>
>>>> I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers
>>>> spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps takeout food
>>>> places and stores are taking to avoid transmission, and I wonder if that
>>>> is feasible here.
>>>>
>>>> Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.
>>>> Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have
>>>> travelled to China. If you can believe the Internet (stupid question)
>>>> Hong Kong is even testing pets. We don’t even have enough kits to test
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>>
>>>> Where are they popping up everywhere?
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> That's very realistic. Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now
>>>> and it's the tip of the iceberg.
>>>>
>>>> On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>> > It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will sit
>>>> > at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
>>>> >
>>>> > We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to be
>>>> > safe.
>>>> >
>>>> > I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than
>>>> > contamination of stock.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>>>> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it
>>>> >> arrives more slowly than that.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>> >>> Our boards shipped last week. So I think things will be OK hopefully.
>>>> >>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>> >>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can get
>>>> >>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price outside
>>>> >>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm
>>>> >>> on. The answer always turns out to be no. It's amazing that
>>>> >>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is
>>>> >>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the
>>>> >>> price. For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times the
>>>> >>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20
>>>> >>> to get made in the USA.
>>>> >>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a supplier
>>>> >>> in China. Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like
>>>> >>> they're close to caught up. In an abundance of caution, we went
>>>> >>> ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently
>>>> >>> shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't have
>>>> >>> to worry so much. We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3
>>>> >>> boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that
>>>> >>> the backlog will be largely cleared from our preferred supplier in
>>>> >>> China.
>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman
>>>> >>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
>>>> >>> chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
>>>> >>> infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
>>>> >>> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing it
>>>> >>> is years away.
>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
>>>> >>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major companies
>>>> >>> will announce contracts to move production to another
>>>> >>> country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
>>>> >>> follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to
>>>> >>> decimate the chinese economy.
>>>> >>> I expect an unrelated announcement this weekend that will
>>>> >>> quell the downward spiral, a short
>>>> >>> recovery on monday.
>>>> >>> Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease
>>>> >>> tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
>>>> >>> By the end of march I think even if the kungflu is still
>>>> >>> present, it will be less impactful.
>>>> >>> Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are
>>>> >>> beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more
>>>> >>> surveillance comes on board, its loose in california, and
>>>> >>> they poop on the streets, so there will
>>>> >>> be some controlled
>>>> >>> outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is
>>>> >>> here, excluding some major calamity, like an outbreak in
>>>> >>> mexico (this will have major geopolitical consequence that
>>>> >>> will heavily reflect in the markets). its probably going to
>>>> >>> do some harm in africa with the locusts, but i dont know that
>>>> >>> africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola running
>>>> >>> around.
>>>> >>> By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound, early
>>>> >>> april it will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative
>>>> >>> growth between 33 and 35 that will correct back down to 29-31
>>>> >>> in may.
>>>> >>> around this time production will be back to normal, and the
>>>> >>> reorganized sourcing will be coming on
>>>> >>> line and the vaccine
>>>> >>> will be moving to the next stage
>>>> >>> supply chain disruptions will be
>>>> >>> recovering
>>>> >>> china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give
>>>> >>> everybody a gleeful feeling of global unity.
>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM
>>>> >>> <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I should have moved it, but I will take the roller
>>>> >>> coaster ride. And it was up so high too....
>>>> >>> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>>>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
>>>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>> >>> Let it keep going down! I moved everything to Money
>>>> >>> Market Monday. Once it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in
>>>> >>> stocks.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl
>>>> >>> <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>> I just wanna know when we hit rock bottom so I can buy
>>>> >>>> as much up as possible :)
>>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> How long before the stock market recovers. Stats
>>>> >>>> would suggest 4 months.
>>>> >>>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like
>>>> >>>> the sky is falling thing, I am sure that will
>>>> >>>> extend this correction.
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