It’s called logarithmic advancement. Watch where we are in two weeks. It’s
going to be very bad.
> On Feb 29, 2020, at 3:47 PM, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> You want me to list all the diseases in the recent past they scare tactic
> with "it may stick with you for life" of course, no actual health specialists
> says that, just the media, and karen.
> Im waiting still to see an explosion of cases. Been in the US about 4
> incubation cycles now, during flu season, when people are most asceptic. I
> like watchong bloviating over nothingburgers, gets my old juices flowing.
>
> Monday, 700 point gain
>
>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 2:30 PM Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Both.
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>> On 2/29/2020 12:25 PM, Robert wrote:
>>> had->Have
>>>
>>>> On 2/29/20 11:51 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>>>> I'm going to go out on a limb and speculate that the US has actually
>>>> already had thousands of cases that have not been diagnosed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> bp
>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/29/2020 11:47 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>> Well. We have around 60 cases in the U.S. and we just had the first
>>>>> death.
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s not a good track record.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 29, 2020, at 2:40 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't forget that there are dozens, maybe hundreds, maybe even thousands
>>>>>> of corona viruses in circulation. One of the issues of "curing" the
>>>>>> common cold is because corona viruses mutate like crazy. I am now firmly
>>>>>> of the opinion that the COVID-19 virus has been circulating longer than
>>>>>> anyone knew, and it's been written off as just another
>>>>>> cold. We shall see.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/29/2020 11:32 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>> Hard to judge fatality rate when new cases are just starting to rise in
>>>>>>> a country. They may be undercounting the cases because, like you say,
>>>>>>> they haven’t been testing. On the other hand, maybe the people haven’t
>>>>>>> had it long enough to die yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe these mystery cases ate bat or pangolin. Just kidding. But you
>>>>>>> almost have to wonder if there have always been a certain number of
>>>>>>> people with this or a related coronavirus and we are only finding out
>>>>>>> because we are testing now. No, that sounds like a conspiracy theory.
>>>>>>> More likely someone who travelled to Italy or Iran sneezed on them.
>>>>>>> With the virus living for up to 9 days on surfaces, could money become
>>>>>>> a vehicle for transmission? I know lots of people use cards or their
>>>>>>> phones to pay for everything, but this could be the death of paper
>>>>>>> money and coins. Think where that stuff has been. But on the other
>>>>>>> hand, the virus is spreading like crazy in mostly cashless countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, and I saw that a patient in Washington state has died. No details.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:57 PM
>>>>>>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Interesting that the fatalities in China are around 3.4%, yet the
>>>>>>> fatalities outside China are only .1%.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Listening to the news this morning, it's become apparent that outside
>>>>>>> of China, no one was prepared, and that they really have not been
>>>>>>> testing. Problems with test kits; like they were not working correctly,
>>>>>>> and secondly, no one was testing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe (now) that this virus has already spanned the globe, and the
>>>>>>> major saving grace is that 80% of the cases are mild or asymptomatic.
>>>>>>> it is, after all, just another corona virus. New or not, we deal with
>>>>>>> viruses like it all the time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/29/2020 10:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From WHO statement yesterday:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> “Outside China, there are now 4351 cases in 49 countries, and 67 deaths.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since yesterday, Denmark, Estonia, Lithuania, Netherlands and Nigeria
>>>>>>> have all reported their first cases. All these cases have links to
>>>>>>> Italy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 24 cases have been exported from Italy to 14 countries, and 97 cases
>>>>>>> have been exported from Iran to 11 countries.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The continued increase in the number of cases, and the number of
>>>>>>> affected countries over the last few days, are clearly of concern.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks, Italy and Iran.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> China numbers are looking promising, but Italy 300 new cases and South
>>>>>>> Korea 900. Number of countries with confirmed cases is around 60.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I see the photos from places like China and S. Korea with soldiers
>>>>>>> spraying public places with disinfectant, and the steps
>>>>>>> takeout food places and stores are taking to avoid transmission,
>>>>>>> and I wonder if that is feasible here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Meanwhile S. Korea has tested 35,000 people, the US has tested 400.
>>>>>>> Shortage of test kits, and guidelines to only test people who have
>>>>>>> travelled to China. If you can believe the Internet (stupid question)
>>>>>>> Hong Kong is even testing pets. We don’t even have enough kits to test
>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Steve Jones
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 11:54 AM
>>>>>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com>
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Where are they popping up everywhere?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 11:39 AM Robert Andrews <i...@avantwireless.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's very realistic. Local outbreaks are popping up everywhere now
>>>>>>> and it's the tip of the iceberg.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02/29/2020 07:35 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
>>>>>>> > It’s about a 20 day boat trip. And even if it comes by air it will
>>>>>>> > sit
>>>>>>> > at the distributor for a bit. Then a few days in transit to you.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > We will probably quarantine Chinese stock for a week or two just to
>>>>>>> > be
>>>>>>> > safe.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I’m more worried about the local out breaks and stock shortages than
>>>>>>> > contamination of stock.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 10:28 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com
>>>>>>> > <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> Covid-19 is active for 9 days on cardboard and plastic. Hopefully it
>>>>>>> >> arrives more slowly than that.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 2/29/20 7:21 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>>>>> >>> Our boards shipped last week. So I think things will be OK
>>>>>>> >>> hopefully.
>>>>>>> >>> *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account)
>>>>>>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 5:38 PM
>>>>>>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>>>>> >>> Every couple of months a question about "is there anywhere I can
>>>>>>> >>> get
>>>>>>> >>> unpopulated circuit boards manufactured at a reasonable price
>>>>>>> >>> outside
>>>>>>> >>> mainland china?" comes up on a couple of forums/mailing lists I'm
>>>>>>> >>> on. The answer always turns out to be no. It's amazing that
>>>>>>> >>> somewhere else hasn't figured out how to replicate what China is
>>>>>>> >>> doing as far as the circuit boards go, even if it was double the
>>>>>>> >>> price. For comparison, US suppliers are typically over 20 times
>>>>>>> >>> the
>>>>>>> >>> price - a board that is under a dollar each from China can cost $20
>>>>>>> >>> to get made in the USA.
>>>>>>> >>> So, like everyone else, our blank circuit boards come from a
>>>>>>> >>> supplier
>>>>>>> >>> in China. Right now, things are backlogged, but it looks like
>>>>>>> >>> they're close to caught up. In an abundance of caution, we went
>>>>>>> >>> ahead and pulled in 6 months worth for anything we're currently
>>>>>>> >>> shipping, so they'll be here in the next few weeks and we don't
>>>>>>> >>> have
>>>>>>> >>> to worry so much. We haven't inserted an order for the new Base 3
>>>>>>> >>> boards yet, but we expect by the time we do sometime next week that
>>>>>>> >>> the backlog will be largely cleared from
>>>>>>> >>> our preferred supplier in China.
>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:12 PM Lewis Bergman
>>>>>>> >>> <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> Probably not. It has taken decades for China to build the supply
>>>>>>> >>> chain they have. Some countries, like Vietnam, don't have the
>>>>>>> >>> infrastructure, much less the slip set to do it
>>>>>>> >>> I don't doubt they will start planning to diversify, but doing
>>>>>>> >>> it
>>>>>>> >>> is years away.
>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 5:49 PM Steve Jones
>>>>>>> >>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> I have a suspicion that very soon, one or two major
>>>>>>> >>> companies
>>>>>>> >>> will announce contracts to move production to another
>>>>>>> >>> country, like within the next two weeks. Many other will
>>>>>>> >>> follow suit, diversity in production is probably going to
>>>>>>> >>> decimate the chinese economy.
>>>>>>> >>> I expect an unrelated
>>>>>>> >>> announcement this weekend that will
>>>>>>> >>> quell the downward spiral, a short recovery on monday.
>>>>>>> >>> Within a week or so the administration will temporarily ease
>>>>>>> >>> tarriffs on humanitarian reasons
>>>>>>> >>> By the end of march I think even
>>>>>>> >>> if the kungflu is still
>>>>>>> >>> present, it will be less impactful.
>>>>>>> >>> Recoveries are outpacing deaths now 2:1, new infections are
>>>>>>> >>> beginning to stagnate. we will see a bump as more
>>>>>>> >>> surveillance comes on board, its loose in california, and
>>>>>>> >>> they poop on the streets, so there will be some controlled
>>>>>>> >>> outbreaks there, no worse than hepatitis, but the plateau is
>>>>>>> >>> here, excluding some major
>>>>>>> >>> calamity, like an outbreak in
>>>>>>> >>> mexico (this will have major
>>>>>>> >>> geopolitical consequence that
>>>>>>> >>> will heavily reflect in the markets). its probably going to
>>>>>>> >>> do some harm in africa with the locusts, but i dont know
>>>>>>> >>> that
>>>>>>> >>> africa really impacts markets, they still have ebola running
>>>>>>> >>> around.
>>>>>>> >>> By the end of march, the market will be on the rebound,
>>>>>>> >>> early
>>>>>>> >>> april it will pass 30, that will drive an april speculative
>>>>>>> >>> growth between 33 and 35 that will correct back down to
>>>>>>> >>> 29-31
>>>>>>> >>> in may.
>>>>>>> >>> around this time production will be back to normal, and the
>>>>>>> >>> reorganized sourcing will be coming on line and the vaccine
>>>>>>> >>> will be moving to the next stage
>>>>>>> >>> supply chain disruptions will be recovering
>>>>>>> >>> china will be starving, but humanitarian aid will give
>>>>>>> >>> everybody a gleeful feeling of global unity.
>>>>>>> >>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 5:28 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> I should have moved it, but I will take the roller
>>>>>>> >>> coaster ride. And it was up so high too....
>>>>>>> >>> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>>>>>>> >>> *Sent:* Friday, February 28, 2020 3:58 PM
>>>>>>> >>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>>>>>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT shall we start a pool
>>>>>>> >>> Let it keep going down! I moved everything to Money
>>>>>>> >>> Market Monday. Once it bottoms out I’ll stick it back in
>>>>>>> >>> stocks.
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>> On Feb 28, 2020, at 6:45 PM, Darin Steffl
>>>>>>> >>> <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>> >>>> I just wanna know when we
>>>>>>> >>>> hit rock bottom so I can buy
>>>>>>> >>>> as much up as possible :)
>>>>>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 4:38 PM <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>> >>>> How long before the stock market recovers. Stats
>>>>>>> >>>> would suggest 4 months.
>>>>>>> >>>> But if the virus actually becomes a “thing”, like
>>>>>>> >>>> the sky is falling thing, I am sure that will
>>>>>>> >>>> extend this correction.
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